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Goals and assists in the pre-season friendlies sparked much debate among the community over the past week, as two notable big -hitters showed their class to get the locals chattering.

We look back over those notable discussions in our review of the week’s Hot Topics, while also highlighting another set of articles from two regular scribes.

We also bring news of an exciting – and rather epic – new community tournament.

The Community Articles

The player ownership debate was once again all the rage this week, with Red Arrows setting the agenda with his hugely acclaimed Hot Topic, a discussion which followed hot on the heels of a new updated article from Milvus which scans the current movers and shakers in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) market.

Elsewhere, we saw a debut community article from YTFC_Scratch who offered us insight into his own struggle between trusting his emotions and gut instincts next to putting faith in mathematical algorithms such as our own Rate My Team. A great new addition to our community contributors, look out for more from Scratch next week.

Finally, our resident Draft game expert Pav A Nice Day has delivered once again, providing another essential guide that breaks down his top ten tips for Draft Day. This is his third article submitted this summer and follows on from his perfect player list.

Don’t forget, if you’ve got some analysis, scout reports or features brewing, be sure to visit our community section to submit your article.

The Hottest Topics

That lauded thread from Red Arrows was one of many key discussions that took place this week, with big ticket Fantasy assets hogging the attention.

Ironically, we’d already laid the groundwork for what was to come by asking you how much credence you put on pre-season form and how it influences your decision-making.

It didn’t end there, with this Hot Topic from The Fantasy Freak also pre-empting events and discussions to come. He asked whether we were overlooking Chelsea’s Marcos Alonso and, just two days later and following a goal against Bayern Munich, that subject resurfaced.

First, Rupert The Horse provided some vital analysis of the Blues wing-back. Then we asked if, even with his price of 7.0, Alonso was back in the game and returning to our initial squad line-ups.

Then it was Kevin De Bruyne’s turn to shine. His stellar performance and two assists in Manchester City’s stunning 4-1 victory over Real Madrid opened our eyes, once again, to the Belgian’s appeal and we swooped to chair the discussion. That extended later in the week with AceK1ght’s excellent post on the potential routes into Pep Guardiola’s stellar attack.

Following that, Kuntheman offered his views on City’s likely line-up and our options for navigating their notorious rotation policy. Meanwhile, IMember chose to focus purely on the debate raging over the City strikers, underlining his view that “Pep loves Jesus”.

Away from City, Distinctly Average was anything but with his superb post that examined our midfield options, confessing that he was troubled by the array of options on offer. Deulofail then followed up by suggesting that we were being blinded by the cast of 7.0 candidates.

Switching to the strikers, AceKn1ght returned with another popular post on the merits of West Ham United’s new capture Javier Hernandez – a player we know well and who seems perfectly suited to the role of third striker in 3-4-3 setups.

“Little Pea” offers potential, a word which sums up Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford. Overshadowed by new team-mate Romelu Lukaku, Forever Mirin certainly made a strong case to us to consider the starlet striker in his midweek Hot Topic.

While that pair are both prospects for next season, Spurs’ Harry Kane is undoubtedly a proven commodity and yet Aggero was on hand to draw our attention to the fact that pundits have claimed that the striker will be unable to sustain his scoring form. It’s fair to say that I, and many others, were not ready to accept such a theory.

Finally, and on a lighter note perhaps, this fabulous post from 1569Tippins describes a nightmarish scenario that might just haunt other experienced Fantasy managers. Tippins describes how he’s been refused entry to his work’s cash league on the grounds of his expertise, with his colleagues insisting that he accepts a handicap if he is to enter. Extraordinary stuff and a story we’re keen to track.

The Members’ Tables

FPL Virgin hogged the limelight when it came to Members’ tables this week, donating no less than three excellent new public offerings for our perusal.

He started with this view of Bournemouth’s defensive options. He followed that up with an effort which analysed those players assured of starting roles in his “Nailed On” table. Meanwhile, the third table looked at those players hooked off before the 90-minute mark, with Chelsea’s Eden Hazard topping the ranks of his “Never Finishes A Match” analysis.

If you’re a member and are yet to get to grips with the custom statistics tables, you can view this movie for an explanation of how they work. Also, remember to tag them so that people can find the tables with ease.

The Community Tournaments

There was big news this week with the launch of a first tournament from the new Community Watch committee. The aptly-named Community Watch Tournament is built around the concept of a head-to-head league made up of 20 teams, each with seven to 10 members.

If you’ve ever played one of the classic FFSUEFA team tournaments then you already know the gist. If not, then you really need to check it out and get involved.

Elsewhere, PDM is still looking for those who have finished at least one FPL season within the top 1,000 to join his Top 1K Any Season league (21265-6670), and those with at least one top 10,000 finish are invited to join Red Lightning’s Top 10,000 Any Season league. (757-400).

Also, Torres Magic’s Last Man Standing contest (44937-13340) is still open for entries, clocking up over 2000 so far.

If you are running a community tournament and would like the latest scores included in future Community Round-ups, please email us a summary of the current leaders and a link to your league, spreadsheet or head-to-head competition, at jonty@fantasyfootballscout.co.uk.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. PvA
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    I'm watching the Southampton game now and I'm not sure I like it. Both Gabbi and Austin are playing central, one a little further behind. But when Southampton are attacking, it seems like both are conflicting each other by taking the same spaces in the box.

    1. thepeen555
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Oh not cool

    2. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Gabbi needs to piss off.

      1. onionbarje
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        More like Austin

        1. Top 210 Club
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Gabbi

        2. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Austin is a genuine fantasy option, see his season a QPR a few years back when he was a legitimate captaincy option. Gabbi is dross.

          1. Top 210 Club
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 4 months ago

            This

    3. The Royal Robin
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Saints don't score either. Austin out for me. Looking like it's a 442 jobby to start the season with.

  2. Swansea Bloke
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-target-gylfi-sigurdssons-future-13404696

    If he stays with us, and that’s a big if. That’ll change the face of RMTs around here surely? Or do we think £8.5 is a bit much? Who would you sacrifice in your current draft to bring him in? Hmmmmm

    1. Licky
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Not getting him either way.

    2. Swans4life
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Only bring him in when Everton fixtures turn for the better

      1. Numb
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        How would Everton's fixtures affect him if he stays?

      2. Swansea Bloke
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        If he stays with the Swans...

    3. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Too much, but keep Llorente alive as a great option when fit

    4. Net Gains
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      There is a ratio of points per £m that a player should get you, according to which position they play in (it varies, says, from defenders to forwards, as you would expect).

      The best midfielders last season, like Alli, Eriksen, King and even Sigurdsson himself, returned somewhere between 24 and 25 points per £m that they cost.

      So the question you should ask yourself when picking a premium or mid-price midfielder is: will they return me 24/25 points per £m that they are costing me.

      Sigurdsson returned 181 points, which is very achievable for him again this season wherever he ends up. More than that is a big ask, in my opinion. As it turns out, he'd need to return between 204 and 213 points to be worth it.

      1. Swansea Bloke
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        No I get that but even 181 points over a season is still great for that price bracket. Not many players reach 200 points in a season. It’s literally a hand full of players. 6 players in the whole game last season reached 200. so anyone that gets close for any price is worth a punt no?

        1. Net Gains
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Almost. It's the *ratio* you need to care about, not specifically the end score. So, Capoue, who got 131 points and was nowhere near 200, was essential because his ratio was 29.11 points per £m spent on him. If you always stick to this formula when buying players, you will average out at around 24 points per £m you spend, which will get you 2400 points from £100m.

  3. Cruz88
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Past few seasons (that I've been on here) I've seen people bigging up certain players and this inevitably results in them cropping up in many RMTS. Then the season kicks off and the table flipping begins straight away. So I'm wondering, who has the potential to be this season's early troll?

    I'd speculate: Ramsey, Tadic, Austin and Redmond (though Redmond did start well for a game or two last season), J Rod...and maybe Willian has a chance too.

    Similarly, who is currently going under the radar and likely to surprise everyone? Abraham? Firmino? Sane? It'll be interesting (and no doubt disappointing) to find out 🙂

    1. DAZZ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Puncheon. (c)

    2. Cruz88
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      I'll add that I think King is under-discussed currently given his form last season, as is Defoe actually.

    3. bojack
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Interesting question.

      Rooney, Walters and Hart GW1's top scorers 😆 😆

    4. Skalla
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Walcott after today! If we knew who the under the radar pick was he would already be in our teams, so leaving him out until GW 2!

    5. The Mighty Hippo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      King

  4. Agger
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Good evening chaps.

    I was reading an article from Samuel Luckhurst today, he's been following Man United on tour as a reporter..

    He's been keeping tabs on the central defensive conundrum, and trying to see who'll pair with Eric Bailly when the season starts. He says the best player has been Phil Jones and him and Bailly look comfortable together, and the way they pressed was effective and Mourinho also praised them as a pair.

    He says his money would be on Phil Jones. He's priced at 5.0..

    Lindelof has looked far from assured and may me given a settling down period, just like Mkhitaryan..

    I think we should wait until the super cup on the 8th but it's just an idea for those who are interested 🙂

    1. L P
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Bailly is suspended for the super cup.

      1. Agger
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        I know. I mean we should wait to see if Jones starts that game anyway and his performance should give us a clear indication.

    2. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Issue is, how does Lindelof get his settling in period? Only way possible would be taking minutes off Jones.

      Cheapest nailed on way into United defence is DDG imo.

      1. Agger
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah I agree mate. Jose does like a settled defence so if Jones does okay well then I can't see Lindelof getting a sniff.
        I know he signed for big bucks but he's not proven yet anyway.

        1. Somalion
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Aye, there's no question in my mind that Jones can defend. There was a reason Fergie always thought so highly of him. Issue is at some point, probably 3/4 games in, he'll headbutt the turf and rule himself out for a few months.

          Lindelof has had a bit of a doing online but I've watched the preaseason matches and what I recall were him making 2 big mistakes against LA Galaxy and then obviously that rubbish tackle against Real which was a pure howler. Not much else so I don't think he's going to be a million miles from Mou's thinking either. A lot of CBs looking to start though, hard to invest in aside from Bailly.

    3. thepeen555
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      I think it will be jones imo

      1. Agger
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Same. But I wouldn't risk getting him anyway.
        I'm pretty content on Valencia or DDG, or even Bailly but not a fan of his lack of goal threat.

    4. onionbarje
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      You should note a lot of fans consider Samuel as a complete tw@t. But in this case i agree with him, Jones is 2nd in the pecking order but he'll probs be injured soon

      1. Agger
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Hahaha so I heard!

    5. Agger
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Remember when Sir Alex was full of praise when singing Jones claiming he could become a great?? .. I think he's got the potential but he's never shown it fully.

  5. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Just how good was Kolasinac today? The FPL chaps on Twitter seem to be going crazy for him?

    Is he nailed as Arsenal's wing back on the left or could Monreal still oust him?

    1. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      ARS don't have appealing fixtures to me

    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Cech
      Ox - Mustafi - Koscielny - Monreal - Kolasanic

      Hope they sell Ox though as Bellerin for 6.0 would be gold.

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Couldn't agree more.

    3. MOBAFFILIATED
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      He was very impressive and in and around the box a lot

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Essential?

      2. Pigeon
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Did you see the way he held off the defender then just lobbed the ball to Walcott with such composure, the lad is built for the pl

    4. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Essential now.

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Is he in your team, TM?

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Might be depending on the Community Shield game.

    5. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      I had thought he'd be too big & physical for LWB, he wasn't, involved in everything. Only concern would be Wenger may also see him as a LCB given his 'style'. Impressive.

      1. Pigeon
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        He played left mid for most of last season

        1. Flynny
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Are you folk going to squeeze him into your team??

          1. Pigeon
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 4 months ago

            I'd say so but I'm gonna wait until I wildcard, I might get Bellerin instead if the Ox gets sold

          2. MOBAFFILIATED
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 4 months ago

            Hellz yeah

        2. Netley Lucas
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Indeed, just that the PL is a step-up in class and he's very 'strong'. Could be handy further back in the big games.

  6. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    I am considering spending £28mil on 5 Defenders.
    This does not include GKs lol, I am completely out of my standard defender price range but I have to say it feels kinda good.

    Alonso, Valencia, Trippier, Cedric 4.0

    Am I absolutely bonkers? or is this a sure fire way to get cleanies and assists and goals at the back?

    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Could work, if it doesnt then..

      https://media1.giphy.com/media/7yTqXVALy7Fwk/giphy.gif

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        true....true.....!

      2. bojack
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Saved this for later 🙂

    2. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      I wrote a community article on this. £6m to £7m defenders comfortably outscored midfielders in the same price bracket.

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        This is really encouraging, so you would recommend putting the money in the defense? I am really light in midfield at the moment, apart from KDB and Willian.

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          It takes guts to do it.

          I wouldn't say put all your money in defence, but there's a strong case to go with a premium defender instead of a midfielder who costs £6m or £7m.

          1. Gazpilicueta
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 4 months ago

            thanks dude Ill read that now, so when you are choosing the defender over the midfielder, the mid becomes a 4.5? like RLC or Carrol yeh?

            1. FPL Virgin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 4 months ago

              Exactly. You got it.

            2. Gazpilicueta
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 4 months ago

              Very cool article, thank you.

              I think I am happier with a half way kind of measure, after playing 3-4-3 for years, 4-3-3 potential gives me a feel for the premium defender route without going all in?

              1. Gazpilicueta
                • 11 Years
                8 years, 4 months ago

                ps, dude, thanks for your help with the link, super cool article, would love to talk FPL with you more!

    3. greghammer95
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      I was considering something like this before, pretty much came down to Alonso & 4.5m mid who never plays Vs Willian and 4.5m defender who never plays. The way this season is going it might be worth the extra on the defender. Particularly for say 6.0m and 4.5m defender who never players, Bailly still a great option compared to that 6.0m mid choice.

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah I see what you mean, I however and going for Alonso and Willian!

    4. Forza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      It's not crazy, some pricey defenders are more trustworthy than most midfielders.

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        thanks dude! you guys are really encouraging me to stick with this plan, in the past I have had 2 4.5 rotating keepers, 1 decent defender (6 mil or so) and 2 rotating pairs of 4.5s for the other 2 spots. this cash money at the back feels weird but i like it, especially with these particular players

  7. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Lloris alder vertonghen trippier davies dier dembele winks alli eriksen kane

    1. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Ooof have some of that

    2. greghammer95
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Full strength! I like it.

  8. Bartowski
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    MAN CITY STARTING XI

    Team to play Tottenham: Ederson, Walker, Danilo, Kompany, Stones, Otamendi, Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva, Fernandinho, Jesus.

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      No kun !!!!!

    2. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      What a strange team to put out

    3. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      3 CB's again by the looks

    4. Pompel
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Aguero benched .... between KDB and Jesus for our teams the I guess

    5. Boydinho
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      no Sané... again

    6. Forza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      No Agüero, no Sané...

    7. fedolefan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      You just know Pep has complicated things so much that he'll chop and change the team throughout the season and City will drop unnecessary points.

      1. Twelve years a slave
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Which Silva

  9. FPL Joker
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Some thoughts on why Firmino may not be a good choice that someoine I know who is a Liverpool fan whacked up a couple of days back. If it helps, buy me a sherry:

    Comparison With Top Stirkers:

    Goals: The subject of the debate! Firmino is well short on goals in comparison to the top strikers. Kane is out in front on his own, then the other three (Lukaku, Costa, Aguero) are in the 20-25 range, Firmino is dragging his heels way back on just 11.

    Assists: No problem, Jurgen says it's because of all the assists he's making! Err, actually no it's not. He's just making the same number of assists as the top strikers. Good job here Roberto, you are keeping up with the best strikers here (got to put in the positives in case they are reading!), you just can't use it as an excuse for not scoring more (sorry!).

    Key Passes: Okay, okay, he is is significantly ahead of the top strikers in key passes, so maybe Jurgen does have a point. The problem lies in the definition of Assists and Key Passes:

    - Assist: A pass that directly leads to a chance scored by a teammate
    - Key Pass: The final pass leading to a shot at goal from a teammate

    So Assists are Key Passes and the difference in number between Assists and Key Passes is missed chances. Given Firmino matches the top strikers in Assists but has a lot more Key Passes means that he is the same at setting up goals as the others but also sets up a lot more chances that are not scored. Is that necessarily a good thing?

    Position: Note these stats (from Whoscored) show PL data except for this info about position which includes other positions. But it gives an indication of players that play exclusively at striker versus those that play a variety of positions. This reflects that the top scorers play entirely as strikers whereas Firmino does often get shunted left and right side of someone else playing centrally (Sturridge or Origi). His stats for the different positions are:

    - Striker: Games 20, Goals 6, Assists 6
    - Forward Left: Games 8, Goals 3, Assists 0
    - Forward Right: Games 6, Goals 1, Assists 1

    Clearly Firmino's Assist capability is obliterated playing left or right. His goal rate is about the same however, his Games per Goal is 3.33 centrally and 3.50 when left or right. The stats suggest that while playing centrally more regularly would help Firmino, it's assists that would increase not goals. Full season he's and 11-12 goals, 11-12 assists striker.

    Penalties: At first I thought Firmino might be lacking penalties, since give him Milners penalty duties and he could have scored 18-19 goals last season (assuming he's any good at them!). But only Kane significantly benefits from penalties. Take them out of the equation and the top strikers are still in the 19-24 goals zone while Firmino is stuck on 11.

    Goal Situations: So why is he down on goals? At set pieces Firmino is at the standard of Kane and Lukaku which is good. Costa is clearly a set piece beast, no real surprise since he loves those tussles. Aguero is off the pace. On counter attacks, the others each managed 1 PL goal over the season whereas Firmino didn't. While that is therefore below standard it is just one goal and anyway while Opta/Whoscored obviously don't count the 4th goal v Leicester as a counter attack goal, I do (Mane burst down the left, beat Schmeichel to the ball and crossed for Firmino in the centre to sort his feet out and score past a couple of defenders.)

    That leaves goals classed as open play. The top two are at 19-20 goals, Costa and Aguero are at 13 and 14 respectfully, Bobby is at 8. Which is well short.

    Shots:

    Note: In the PL, Penalty Area shots make up 52% of all shots, shots Outside the Box make up 41% and 6 yard box chances make up just 7% of all chances. However, 6 yard box chances are by far the easiest to score, with 34% hitting the back of the net. Penalty box chances are nearly 3 times less likely to be scored (only 13% go in) while long range efforts are yet another 4 times less likely to go in than penalty box chances (ie a 6 yard box chance is 12 times more likely to go in than a long range shot).

    Klopp says, "What if he starts thinking ‘oh, I need more goals’ and starts shooting from all over the place...?". Actually shots aren't really his issue he takes plenty! Not as many as Aguero who is streets ahead of everyone, possibly why Pep is not keen on him. Aguero is shooting loads and not getting the goal return that might be expected. He's probably considered to be wasting possession when he should be more patient (Klopp is kind of suggesting Firmino does take the better, less shooting option).

    From outside the box Firmino is on pace with the top strikers in terms of number of shots and crucially goals. Where he suffers is in two distinct areas:

    1/. His shooting ability in the penalty area is less than 40% as effective as the top strikers. Firmino takes around the same number of shots as Kane and Lukaku but they score 2.5 times more often. So either his shooting is not good or he is still shooting when the probability of scoring is not good.
    2/. Not getting into the 6 yard box. Firmino had 4-6 times less shots than every other top striker. No real surprise for all those who regularly scream about the fact we have no one in the middle of the goal as the ball crosses the 6 yard box!!

    Summary

    In comparison to the top strikers, while Firmino is not an out and out striker and his goal rate is about half what it ought to be, he doesn't create any more goals than the others do, but he does create more chances that are missed by others. He shoots as much as the others and from outside the penalty area he is equally effective, but inside the penalty area his shooting is poor and he fails to get enough chances in the 6 yard box.

    Personally I think that means, he doesn't score enough to play as a striker. Sorry Jurgen, I know you love Bobby, but the evidence suggests that a top striker would create as many goals but score 2-2.5 times more.

    Comparison With Top Wide Forwards/AMs

    But okay, he's not an out and out striker, so how does he compare to the next group of high scorers, who happen to be high scoring wide forwards and AMs: Sanchez, Dele Ali and Hazard?

    Goals: Firmino is roughly 50%-120% short of the goals supplied by the top scoring players that are not out and out strikers.
    Assists: Firmino is on pace assist wise, level with Dele Ali, ahead of hazard and a bit behind Sanchez. That's pretty good.
    Key Passes: Where Firmino was clearly ahead of the top strikers on Key Passes, he bang on the pace in this category. This tends to tie in with the view he's more of an AMC/No10 than a striker.

    Position: Sanchez was utilised roughly the same as Firmino, centraly and left side. But where Firmino played right forward, Sanchez played as a central AMC/No10. Hazard also played forward left, but also deeper in the AMC/No10 role. Dele Ali played much more as an AMC.No10.

    Penalties: Sanchez, Dele Ali and Hazard each scored penalties last season accounting for 1 or 2 goals each.
    Goal Situations: Again at set pieces Firmino is at the standard of Sanchez which is good, while Dele Ali and Hazard lag behind. On counter attacks, Hazard sets the standard and everyone else is the same (if we credit Firmino's Leicester goal as a counter).

    Again that leaves goals classed as open play. The top two have 15 and 18 goals, and Bobby's 8 is well short.

    Shots:
    As with the comparison against the top strikers, Firmino is not shot shy and his outside the box shooting is on pace. Then just the same as in the top striker comparison, he suffers in his shooting ability in the penalty area which is 50% less effective than the others and in the 6 yard box where he had 3-4 times less shots than Sanchez and Dele Ali. Hazard presumably seldom attacks the 6 yard box.

    Summary
    In comparison to the top wide forwards/AMs, his goal rate is again about half what it ought to be, he doesn't create any more goals than the others do and he creates about the same number of missed by others. He shoots as much as the others and from outside the penalty area he is equally effective, but inside the penalty area his shooting is poor and he fails to get enough chances in the 6 yard box.

    Overall Conclusion
    From the contributions of each of these players is seems fair to asses Firmino as follows:

    Positives
    - Takes a comparable number of shots to the top strikers and wide forwards/AMs
    - He creates as many goals for others as the top strikers and wide forwards/AMs
    - He creates as many missed chances for others as the top wide forwards/AMs and considerably more than top strikers
    - His shooting from outside of the box is comparable with the top strikers and wide forwards/AMs
    - His set piece and counter attacking abilities match the top strikers and wide forwards/AMs

    Negatives
    - Top strikers and wide forwards/AMs score 100%-150% more goals (excl penalties) than Firmino
    - His shooting inside the penalty area is wasteful. Either his shooting is not good or he is shooting when he shouldn't ie taking low probability shots
    - He does not get enough 6 yard box chances
    - His open play chance taking ability is only 40%-50% of the others

    Contrary to what Klopp has said, in terms of positive attacking ability, the evidence suggests that Firmino's best attributes are a match for others whilst his poorer attributes fall well short. There is no evidence of leading performance or being 'the best player without scoring with how well he reads the game for the benefit of others'. Good yes, the best no.

    1. La Roja
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Ok

    2. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Long post.

      Have a +1

    3. Pigeon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Longest post I've seen so far

      1. FPL Joker
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        It's the weekend, my boy! You have time! Surely the pits are closed now?

    4. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      He's not a striker. False 9 and centre forwards require completely different skill sets. FPL should have left him as a midfielder.

      Good post though.

      1. Pigeon
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        I agree, many who have him in their teams will regret it

    5. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Good length, good post.

      1. Fantasy Gold
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        That's what she said

    6. fedolefan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      I was so intent on Firmino because of his price but highlights of him running away from goal all the time have just put me off him, possibly forever.

      1. Netley Lucas
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        😆

        I don't know why, but that's possibly the funniest post I've ever read.

        1. fedolefan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Lol, I whine and complain like no other.

        2. Fantasy Gold
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Been on the whisky again, Netley? 😆

          1. Netley Lucas
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 4 months ago

            Nah, I'm getting there though 😆 Fedolefan just has a way with words, very amusing.

            1. Fantasy Gold
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 4 months ago

              Haha I agree, you do read his posts in a certain tone 😆

    7. The Hindu Monkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      good but...

      he's 2 to 4m cheaper than all the people you're comparing him too...

      and this is fantasy football

    8. AK ⭐
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Do you have something against Klopp and/or Firmino? Or you just hate Liverpool?

      I think this is pretty lame : " he doesn't create any more goals than the others do, but he does create more chances that are missed by others."

      He is creating the chances though, I'd rather look at who is missing all those chances and their history and develop an expectation around it, rather than just throwing Firmino under the bus.

      I appreciate your work and I am sure it took you a lot of time, but there's nothing I could derive from your post for FPL and it seemed like you were just typing out your hate for Firmino/Klopp.

      1. FPL Joker
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Tee hee, no, no, no, the guy who wrote it is actually a crazy LFC fan. I'll tell him though...

    9. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Don't think anybody thought he was the best, not even Klopp himself.

    10. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Read first two paragraphs and gave up...

      Never considered him anyway

      Thanks though

      1. super zlatan
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Wow

  10. I am here to Michu
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Southampton has one of the best opening fixtures. So, many of us have naturally gone for their assets.

    Against St. Etienne, Pellegrino started his available best line up. Of course, Cedric and Redmond were absent as he was on rest. But, we could analyse the rest of the squad.

    Saints won 3-0 against comparatively inferior opponents with Yoshida, JWP and Gabbiadini on target. I have made few conclusions based on their performance. Please correct me if needed.

    1. Both Austin and Gabbiadini started, but Austin was taken off in the 60th minute. Gabbianni was taken off in the 74th minute after scoring the goal. So, Gabbiadini might have the upper hand over Austin.

    2. While many of us have gone for Cedric, he is on rest having appeared on Confederations Cup. So, Jeremy Pied had featured in the Right Wing back role. He impressed with his attacking performance. Pied is priced 4.5m and could be essential in that price if for first few games. But, all depends on Cedric being match fit.

    3. Yoshida looked the better of the defenders. Bertrand was lively, but it was Yoshida with the goal. At 5.0, I think Yoshida should be first in the hierarchy for Saints' defence - higher than Cedric of course.

    4. Other emerging budget options like Boufal or JWP were good but not that impressive to go straight into our team.

    TLDR - Gabbi and Yoshida look the best options from Saints right now. RWB Pied needs monitoring.

    1. noquarternt
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      You think Cedric will start GW1? Good analysis.

      1. I am here to Michu
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        Cedric hasn't featured in the pre-season so far. So might give the Pied guy the GW1 match. For 4.5, he looked threatening in a couple of occasions.

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 4 months ago

          Looks like a transfer waiting to happen unless WCing early.

          1. Weeb Kakashi
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 4 months ago

            Tbf
            I still think Austin over Gabbi
            Cedric higher than Yoshi
            Pied No for me, Cedric returning soon

  11. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Wally on 18pts already if he gets to 60

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      BAPS not final 😉

  12. Slam
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Now everyone and their dog will own Zaha. Don't know why but it annoys me tremendously

    1. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Why what's he done?

  13. Weasel Boy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Sokanke goal

    1. Corona Macallan
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Again?

  14. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Kolasinac fail

  15. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    GW1 TC Walcott!

    1. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Casuals will lap it up

    2. Skalla
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Maybe not, what a miss for the hattrick!

  16. Venom Snake
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Which two 4.5 defenders rotate well?

    1. danvilla2
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Ciaran Clark? Regular for Geordies last season, best defence in championship

  17. Fantasy Gold
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Who has switched Ramsey to Walcott then?

  18. Licky
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Klavan absolutely selling himself.

    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Loool, still better than Lovren

  19. Sterling is £11Mill..…
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Pep treating this transfer window like me in Fifa 17 career mode. In the market for a centre back now..

  20. Ligdon
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    RMT :
    Foster
    Kolasinac Trippier Daniels

    Phillips KDB Willian Alli

    Lukaku Laca Benteke

    Elliot Carroll Hudson Hüne

    1. Flynny
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Need more kane

  21. A Team Of James McCleans
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    No walcott, not again

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Ultimate tease.

    2. Duffy Dunk
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      On the same boat as you.
      Also, on the Never Again Rondon boat.
      He hasn't done anything bad this time (yet), I just remembered.

  22. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Lolly

  23. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Walcott fail

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      As i said, he only can score empty net

  24. onionbarje
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    So Wally can only score tap ins

  25. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Wally 40th row

    1. Fantasy Gold
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Been taking shooting sessions with Townsend again

  26. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Saving his hat-trick for the 11th!

  27. Lallana's Bananas
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    How much game time are people expecting from Dom Solanke? Beautiful player

    1. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Cameos off the bench providing Studge and Origi are injured.

      1. Sterling is £11Mill..…
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 4 months ago

        I think Sturridge will get some decent game time this season

    2. Skalla
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Not enough for FPL but prob more than Sturridge this season!

    3. Lallana's Bananas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Not thinking about FPL, just wanna see him starting. Young, quality English talent

  28. martyhan
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Foster fabianski
    Yoshida Alonso trippier dunk long
    KDB Phillips Carroll Zaha willian
    Austin lukaku Kane

    Any suggestions on this ?

  29. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 4 months ago

    Bertrand on corners.

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 4 months ago

      Great! Both ?