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Ruben Vinagre (£4.5m) could prove to be one of the most effective budget defenders in Fantasy Premier League this season.

The 21-year-old defender looks certain to fill the gap left in the Wolves team by a long-term injury to Jonny Otto (£5.5m).

The Spaniard is unlikely to feature for Nuno Espirito Santo’s men for an extended period following an operation on his damaged anterior cruciate ligament, injured against Olympiakos earlier this month.

Preliminary estimates indicate that Jonny may not play until 2021, which could unlock Vinagre’s FPL potential as a set-and-forget budget option.

After two years as an understudy on the left-hand side of Wolves’ wing-back system, Vinagre finally has a chance to string together consistent starts in 2020/21. That could see him surpass his 24 and 32-point total scores from the two previous campaigns by a considerable margin.

In fact, Vinagre may even act as a powerful differential in the early weeks of the campaign provided we don’t see massive ownership shifts between now and Gameweek 1. The left wing-back currently sits in 11.7% of Fantasy teams, roughly half the ownership of Matt Doherty (£6.0m).

Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.5m), owned by 56%, is currently the only more fashionable defender than the Republic of Ireland international and the heavy backing for Wolves’ right wing-back could see Vinagre slip under the radar for those outside the hardcore Fantasy community.

This article serves to bring the Wolves youngster into the light, examining what he produced in fleeting appearances during 2019/20 using some key underlying statistics.

As this article uses Opta data, only those with a valid Fantasy Football Scout subscription can access it in full.

Are Wolves defenders worth owning for 2020/21?

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  1. Will J 256
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Who is the best striker option in the 6.0-6.5 region in your opinion?

    1. aapoman
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Mitro, Wood, Antonio

      1. aapoman
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Fixtures decide who is the best from the start imo

      2. Dion D's Solo Shower
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Maybe even a Che Adams

        1. Eze Really?
          • 12 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          This

        2. DeathoftheParty
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          It's a trap!

    2. LangerznMash
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Hattrick Bamford

    3. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Prob Mitro, but I reckon Doherty(6m) outscores him comfortably.

      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        ..oops...@6.5m prob Antonio

        1. The Sociologist
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          I still think you’re right, Doherty out scores them all for me

    4. GREEN IS GOOD
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Antonio if he stays up top.

      Adams could be interesting.

    5. Gazza2000
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      At the moment I'm looking at Antonio, Wood and Adams, Ayew.

      1. Will J 256
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Thank you everyone!

      2. No Professionals
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Yes I am.

    6. Sune
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Antonio and Wood.

    7. Ze_Austin
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Get ready to make transfers in that slot. None really stands out for various reasons, but at least two will be on a hot streak with confidence at any point of the season

      Knowing when to make transfers there can be problematic, but it might be the best use of that slot in hindsight

      For now, I've got eyes on Antonio, Mitrovic and Wood

      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        even Ayew ticked over last season

        1. Marmalade Forest
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Ayew was superb last season at around 5.5.

          Kept overlooking him as wanted other forwards more.

          Not so this year.

          Last season I saw that I didn’t pick a single Palace or West Ham player. If I give into pressure I could be starting this season with three

        2. Ze_Austin
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Ayew definitely works for the patient managers, but still can get outscored by Doc and Laporte, so doesn't feel like the best long-term use of 6.0m

      2. Andy_Social
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Agree with Ze. Below 8.5 there's nothing worth having; conversely, from 8.5-10.5 (if Kun is fit) there are loads of decent options. It's caused me to restructure and go with 2 decent strikers rather than a decent and a mid-priced one.

    8. MarkoSD
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      antonio

    9. Sgt Frank Drebin
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Surely Antonio stands out for me. Imho he could be one of greatest value this season. Was really surprised to see him at 6.5. Wood could also be a good option. He had the xG of 17 last season, very good for that price imho.

  2. Dutchy
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Obviously fixtures dependent, thoughts on this team BOTTOMED

    Saliba - strong feeling he will start under Arteta
    Son - Underpriced considering last season and new leadership role
    Ziyech and Werner - Both is a stretch but stats don't lie, big descion but may pay off
    Mitrovic and Soucek will rotate

    Ryan
    TAA / Vinagre / Saliba
    KDB / Bruno / Son / Ziyech
    Werner / Antonio / Mitrovic

    Nyland / Dallas / Ferguson / Soucek

    1. merin
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      It’s quite common than players new to the league need some time to adapt. This is why I will stay clear of Ziyech and Werner.

      1. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Bruno Fernandes says hello ... I think when you have a new PL player who is experienced and with great stats, you have to consider them

        1. merin
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          It’s fair to consider, but remember Bruno is an outlier. Most players need adapting

          1. Hotdogs for Tea
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 1 month ago

            snooze and you lose 🙂

    2. Eze Really?
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      saliba wait for community shield
      Son good option
      Chelsea gamble. More so Ziyech from Dutch to English
      Expensive rotation and cannot tell until fixtures

    3. Guba
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Nice team but I'd wait on Ziyech as well I think. One of the Chelsea new guys seems sufficient risk.

    4. FPL_Cot
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Is it just me, or are a lot of people massively overlooking Salah? I've seen so many teams with KDB/Auba/Bruno but no 'Pool. Top scorer in 2 out of last 3 seasons - almost guaranteed 20 goals and 10 assists and could easily hit 250 pt mark imo. Maybe more now he'll have all the pens with Milly being more of a squad player.

  3. Bruno Commando
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi everyone, would be great if you guys can RMT.

    Martinez
    TAA Doherty Tierney
    Bruno Salah KDB Soucek ASM
    Martial Mitrovic

    Button Vinagre Vassilev Branwraithe

    1. Je suis le chat
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      8/15. Don't like strikers.

    2. Soto Ayam
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Is good. Is Martinez a starter? I'd only play vinagre of mitro , depending on fixtures of course

    3. Eze Really?
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      5 (May not play or get a transfer. If he does 9)
      8 8 6
      7 7 7 8 7
      7 5
      Not bad IMO

    4. Bruno Commando
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Thanks guys!

    5. Gomolon
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Pope and Saliba for same price instead?

      1. Bruno Commando
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Good idea. Thanks! Just thought that Tierney's attacking potential outweighs the difference between Pope and McCarthy.

  4. JIMMY TUGGINS
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Alaba rejected a new contract at Bayern and only has a year left, pretty much everyone that can afford him should be interested, great player.

    1. Jernau M Gurgeh
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      I agree that he's a very good left back and I'm surprised that he is not (yet) linked to any top pl team

    2. jtreble
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      He’ll leave. Alphonso Davies has won the left back role.

      1. JIMMY TUGGINS
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Alaba was still just too good to lose his place though so moved to CB, can play CM as well, you'd think he'd be perfect for City.

        1. jtreble
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Alaba Is terrific. I heard, however, he doesn’t want to play in the CB position.

  5. KAPTAIN KANE SERVES THE PAI…
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Nyland and Steer Villa double up at 8.0 anyone with Heaton unknown return date?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      No, it's almost certain they'll bring in a better keeper.

      1. KAPTAIN KANE SERVES THE PAI…
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Fair

  6. Roy Rovers
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    If Ghoulam goes to Wolves then I’ll have to change things...but settled with this.

    Would you change anything?

    Ederson Button
    TAA VVD Vinagre Taylor (KWP)
    Salah KDB Greenwood Soucek (ASM)
    Aguero Mitrovic (Davis)

    1. Flair
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Ederson is terrible value, barely gets BPS. Got outscored by 4.5 Ryan last season

      1. ClassiX
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Agree. And there will be a time when you want 3 City players

        1. ClassiX
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          3 City attacking players

  7. Von Lipwig
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Pope
    TAA Vinagre Ayling

    Does that seem like a viable back line?

    1. Soto Ayam
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Yep

    2. Lucky Z
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      C.Taylor for Ayling and latter first sub

      1. Von Lipwig
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah. Thought ayling was pretty attacking and on some set pieces. What's the deal with Taylor?

        1. Lucky Z
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          No deal, just to absorb Burnley's cleanies. You can always push forward Ayling either, gonna have both myself

    3. Von Lipwig
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Cheers lads!

  8. farmerfat
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Any love for Mahrez?

    1. Ze_Austin
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Lots of that from me

      Worried about the Bilva + Foden factor though

      1. JIMMY TUGGINS
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Can't forget when I first put Mahrez in last season and he didn't play a minute in three consecutive games when he was fit.

    2. Party time
      6 years, 1 month ago

      No. Pep roulette

    3. A-L
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Points per match and value still excellent, just need 2 decent bench options in the 4.5m defender or 5.5m midfielder bracket if you go for it

  9. ClassiX
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Best Burnley 4.5 - Taylor, Bardsley or Pieters?

    1. farmerfat
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Taylor IMO

      1. ClassiX
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks

    2. Wirtz the Matter
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      TPB

      1. ClassiX
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks

  10. ManofKent
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Rumours WBA are trying to sign Diangana - might be an option at 5.5, classed as a mid, but can play as a CF (something WBA really lack).

    1. Ser Davos
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      it was Diangana and Periera as the double act last year?

      BMW for Brentford

  11. Steve The Spud
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Is bruno worth the 1m over Rashford ?

    Currently got Bruno but switching to rash would allow me to upgrade ziyech to son or jimi/ings to Werner (will try to avoid having ziyech and Werner to start)

    1. Lucky Z
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Sure

    2. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      oh god yes

  12. reason17
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Pope - Nyland
    TAA - VVD - Laporte - Egon - Vinagre
    KDB - Greenwood - Grealish - ASM - Stephens
    Werner - Jiminez - Mitrovic
    1.0 ITB

    Thoughts?

    1. Lucky Z
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Would use Laporte money for Pulisic or something else

      (Greenwood Werner => Pulisic Martial for example)

    2. KadMan
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Too much money in defense imo I'd downgrade Laporte to 4.0 and upgrade Grealish to Son.

  13. Lucky Z
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Guys

    See comments here like "VVD will outscore Mitrovic" with general thought that defenders are provides more value rather than forwards. Agree with this.

    But then, you are restricted to formation.

    Yes we have good defensive options at 4.5 (Vinagre, Taylor, Ayling, Diop etc.). But are there similar priced forwards? No. Can we go 5-5-0 then? No. Can we play 5-4-1 with for example Jimenez on top? Yes, but two 4.5 up front too risky as you will gain no points for forward once your starting forward is out. This logic suggests that we have to got 2 forwards. To minimize the damage on budget at least one of them should be Mitro or similar...

    Thoughts on this?

    1. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah - I understand why people say it but it doesn’t really make sense considering you have to play at least 1 striker

    2. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Yes i agree and all my drafts are along this line of thought. Def are scoring well at the moment.

      3 x premium def
      3 x premium mid (10.5 to 12mil)
      1 x mid price fwd (6.5mil)

      Just light up top I suppose but have a cheap playing fwd (5.5m).

    3. Ze_Austin
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      "Once your starting forward is out" is probably based on a bias from the three or so times it may have happened to you in five seasons. See this: https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2020/08/15/how-will-new-positions-at-man-united-affect-their-fpl-assets-in-2020-21/?hc_page=13&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_22252128

      1. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        And yes, you can go 5-4-1 with one striker who's known to play at least 10 minutes in every game of the season (Ings, Mitrtovic, Kane, Jimenez last season) and who would most likely have injury news come out BEFORE the deadline, letting you transfer him out. This means you might need your 4.5m benched forward with his 0 to 1 points somewhere between none and twice throughout a season. This 0 and 1 points will come at around the same frequency (or less) than red cards, penalty misses, and 4 goals conceded or yellow + 2 goals conceded for defenders

        1. Lucky Z
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          I want to cover other positions as well not only forwards. Having 2 dead 4.5 means I cannot replace MFs and DFs if they are out as well. Not speaking about blank GWs postponements etc.

          1. Ze_Austin
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 1 month ago

            I'm not sure how realistic this is

            You can replace MFs and DFs with other MFs and DFs. You can change formation if there's no viable MF/DF replacement. Once you factor transfers in, team structure goes out the window. TAA can get injured and everybody moves the funds to attack, for instance. Or all the premium mids go off the boil and transfers are made to the 8.5m region in attack

            You can also use transfers to upgrade one or both 4.5m FWDs at any time, if you eventually feel they'll outscore your 4th/5th defender/mid, or you can downgrade your main striker and make them two firing cheap forwards

            How does starting with 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 affect your ability to transfer your mids and defenders?

            1. Lucky Z
              • 9 Years
              6 years, 1 month ago

              Not transfer.

              You suggested formation with two 4.5 strikers. They are on bench. And do not play. Let's say TAA and Pulisic are injured. Who will come in for them? I will take Taylor Ayling Diop etc. But in case I have two non-playing 4.5 strikers I receive 0

              1. Ze_Austin
                • 7 Years
                6 years, 1 month ago

                The chances of two nailed players getting injured or not playing a single minute off the bench are very, very low. Slightly lower than that forwards, near impossible for keepers, but still very low elsewhere. If you know you have at least two players who aren't nailed (say, Foden, Shaw, Mahrez, Agüero, Armstrong to go with KDB/Sterling), then the 4-5-1 and 5-4-1 formations will not work for you

                I should also point out here that your second sub is usually not expected to contribute more than 2 points (or can get negative points as they're most likely defenders) on the already rare occasion that you'll need two subs (outside fixture congestion), giving you an upgrade from 0 points for a non-player to around 6 to 12 points if you get lucky... Throughout the season

                This pales wildly in comparison to having a 6.0 to 6.5m striker for 90+% of the season who you feel will be outscored by the likes of Doherty and Laporte

                The fear of those two or three times all season you'll need a second sub affects your score for the 30+ times a season that you'll need more points from your XI

                1. Lucky Z
                  • 9 Years
                  6 years, 1 month ago

                  Thank you. Worth to consider.

                  1. Ze_Austin
                    • 7 Years
                    6 years, 1 month ago

                    Thanks 🙂

    4. JIMMY TUGGINS
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Brewster going out on loan could be key.

    5. Von Lipwig
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Agree, unless Brewster goes on loan and looks like getting starts... or even Bamford maybe at 5.5m

    6. Eze Really?
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Any formation change, maybe 4 time a year is 4 points away no matter how you have your team. Not material in my view.

    7. Eze Really?
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Also with my above comment. However you have to pick 15 players at the end of the day

    8. circusmonkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Yes I agree, going Jiminez, Antonio, Davis.
      Someone in the 6 - 7 bracket will emerge as a decent option.

      See this and the previous article:
      https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2019/07/19/player-value-and-the-most-efficient-use-of-the-fpl-budget-part-2/

      1. Andy_Social
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Depends on the sole striker. Jimenez - and Vardy for that matter will play every game. If the striker gets injured you switch him for Ings or whoever. I think saving 1.5 on dumping Mitro or Adams in order to strengthen your midf and defence is a better allocation of budget.

        1. circusmonkey
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          I'd like to do that but there is the point about going 1 up top and then he misses a game, I suppose it could still prove worth it but what I took from Hedge's articles is that it looks better at the start of the season to go 1 up top but then someone emerges to make 352 a better formation. I suppose I could go 1 up top until that striker emerges but then it is extra transfers to shift it around.
          If the rumoured WHU v Liverpool first fixture is true, I'll be playing 541 anyway if I stick with Soucek and Antonio.

  14. KadMan
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Which 3 out of Bruno, KdB, Auba and Salah would you pick to start with?

    1. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Most people wrestling with this and will come down to fixtures

    2. No Professionals
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Without seeing fixtures I’d leave out Auba.

    3. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      I would leave out Aubameyang.

    4. SAY MY NAME
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      kdb + salah, set and forget, 3rd choice depending on fixtures

    5. Eze Really?
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Not bruno to start unless you need the cash

  15. merin
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Dallas or Ayling, and why?

    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Dallas, more attacking, less nailed.
      Ayling, less attacking, more nailed.

      Would rather the security so... Ayling for me.

      1. MarkoSD
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        this

    2. IRBOX ⚽
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      None. Why when you can have Wolves, palace and Burnley defence for 4.5 and Spurs for 5.0?

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        I'd rather Leeds defense than Palace. Especially if the player is an attacking full back.

        1. Francescoli
          • 12 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Same. Leeds has better defensive stats last year than Sheffield Utd the season they got promoted from the Championship.

      2. merin
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        My other defs are:
        TAA Vinagre Taylor Ferguson

      3. Limbo
        • 16 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Agreed

        Pieters, Taylor, Vinagre (obviously), KWP - all better options until we see how Leeds fair.

    3. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Ayling, unless Dallas is OOP, which he probably won't be.

  16. Bruno Commando
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Is Greenwood that massive a downgrade from Bruno?

    1) Saliba + Greenwood + Werner + 0.5
    2) Tierney + Bruno + Mitrovic

    1. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Greenwood offers fantastic value and should United not sign a forward, I think most of us will have to find a way to get him in.

      That being said, Bruno is their best FPL asset. Although there remains doubts about the sustainability of his points, I think the general feeling is that you rather transfer him out if he does poorly as opposed to tearing your teak apart to transfer him in if he continues this level - and get huge red arrows in the process.

      So for that reason, B for me.

      1. Bruno Commando
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Makes a lot of sense. Thanks dude! It's quite tempting to find a way to upgrade Mitrovic to Werner though!

    2. HurriKane
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      If you feel like greenwood is downgrade go with Ziyech. He'll be like a budget Bruno providing consistent returns in a very attacking Chelsea lineup

      Saliba Ziyech Werner all day long

      1. Bruno Commando
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        That's a good suggestion! I will take that into consideration and tinker. Thanks!

      2. Eze Really?
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        If Havertz arrives and Pulisic fit then Ziyech could start on the bench. Unlikely but possible.

        1. Old Man
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Nah surely it's Ziyech, Havertz, Pulisic, with Werner up top.

  17. Steve The Spud
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    What’s the chances of robbo out scoring taa this year, surprised he’s only 10% owned

    1. KadMan
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      I'd say very slim. Not only is TAA better going forward, he's always quite consistent with delivering from set pieces. Guaranteed 2 goals from FKs a season.

    2. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      I think TAA will be the highest scoring Liverpool defender and by a margin which justifies his price.

      My personal opinion is that Robertson has hit a level in which he cannot exceed by that much, whereas TAA's potential is yet to be shown.

      TAA takes more corners, is now scoring FKs and *if* Thiago signs, I'm pretty sure he'll be finding Trent and Salah quite with his customary diagonal switch from deep left central positions.

      All things considered, my order of Liverpool defenders is TAA, VVD, Robertson.

      That's not to say they all won't score well, they probably will.

      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Agree with that order, the stingy git in me is wondering if Gomez at 5.5 is worth considering as an alternative to VVD though. 1.0 less and presumably(?) secure for a little while.

        1. Davido989
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Ah yeah, forgot about him. Looks the spot is his to lose and should be no rotation until the first round of CL at least. Absolutely zero goal threat though, which you're probably aware of.

          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            6 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah, with Gomez you'd have to be purely in it for the clean sheets which the price reflects to be fair.

            Would love to start the season with TAA and VVD but I did exactly that last year and you only kept about 2 clean sheets in the first 11 games and conceded 1 in each of the others, it was infuriating.

            1. Davido989
              • 16 Years
              6 years, 1 month ago

              Let's hope Adrian doesn't feature this time!

              1. GreenWindmill
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                6 years, 1 month ago

                Ha! Do you know what? I'd actually forgotten the Adrian thing happened at all! That helps a lot with overcoming my mental block on starting with Liverpool defenders - thanks Berb!

            2. circusmonkey
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              6 years, 1 month ago

              I know but I doubt they'll do that again so got TAA and VVD.

        2. Ser Davos
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Gomez is one of the worst picks in the game

          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            6 years, 1 month ago

            You think? I think he's priced about right - premium defence with little to no goal threat. I know he takes up a Liverpool spot but there's only so much money available.

            I haven't really tried making a team yet anyway, just looking through the teams and putting my thoughts mindlessly onto the page 🙂

            1. FPL_Cot
              • 6 Years
              6 years, 1 month ago

              Trouble is you have far more attacking defenders for the same price (eg Aurier) or cheaper. I think anything over 4.5m for a center half isnt money well spent. There are some exceptions in VVD but he should be a 3-5 goal per season so very different story.

      2. Rogue Todd
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Did you hire Liastro to design your new grav?

        1. Davido989
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Who's that? I played around with some free logo maker and I liked it haha.

  18. Roy Rovers
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Any suggestions much appreciated......

    Ryan Button
    TAA VVD Doherty Taylor (KWP or Saliba??)
    Salah KDB Greenwood Soucek (ASM)
    Aguero Mitrovic (Davis)

  19. reason17
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Ryan - Mccarthy
    TAA - VVD - Taylor - Egon - Vinagre
    KDB - Son - Pulisic - ASM - Stephens
    Martial - Jiminez - Mitrovic
    0.5 ITB

    Thoughts?

    1. IRBOX ⚽
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Midfield seems light mate. Would downgrade one of your 3 up front to bolster it

    2. MarkoSD
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      one gk must be 4.0 and egon to expensive imo

  20. jtreble
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Did FFS ever write an article about building a “flexible” team based on price points? I’ve heard Joe is a fan of this approach ...

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Look at the scout team

      1. jtreble
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Do you mean the FFS YouTube channel?

    2. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      In terms of an article, not that I'm aware of, but I'm pretty sure he's spoken about on Twitter recently. Could look at it myself if there was enough interest.

      1. jtreble
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks, I’ll search the FFS Twitter feed. I’m sure there would be interest in an article about this subject. I can’t imagine I’m the only one struggling to find an “flexible” approach this year that would allow me to quickly double- and triple-up using fewer transfers. 🙂

    3. jtreble
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      FFS Twitter: @FFScout_Joe is here to discuss his FPL Price Points theory, and how he uses it to build his drafts:

      FFS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVlafsRf1T4&feature=youtu.be

  21. IRBOX ⚽
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts? Feels solid

    Heaton
    TAA Robbo Doherty
    Salah KDB Greenwood Foden Soucek
    Werner Mitrovic

    Nyland Taylor Ferguson Davis

    1. Shatner's Bassoon
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      lol thats exactly my draft ATM except I've got Brighton keepers!

      So... 0/10.

    2. luk46
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      looks good, would maybe have VVD + Ryan over Heaton + Robbo.
      Greenwood great value if nailed, Foden could pay off, but little risky.

    3. Limbo
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      You think Foden gets regular starts then?

      1. Shatner's Bassoon
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        As someone with same front 7, my view is that without a direct Silva 'replacement' signing, he's more likely to come into the side, particularly easy home games (as he did in re-start). When he does start, I expect him to do v well.

        At 6.5, I'm happy to accept occasional 1-pointers either via half-time hooking or via 20 min cameo.

    4. Francescoli
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Not keen on Mitro or Greenwood. Otherwise looks good.

    5. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      It doesn't sound like Heaton will be fit for the start of the season, that's coming from the local press, so keep an eye on that. Can't argue with any of the rest of it right now, will prob change with fixtures tho.

      1. ☈☾
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Villa looking for a new GK?

        1. avfc82
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          6 years, 1 month ago

          Depends how long he's out for, but probably, Smith doesn't trust Nyland.

    6. GENERATION X
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      2 camps I think:

      Greenwood over Bruno and ramp up defence

      Bruno over Greenwood and a 4.5 rotation

      Fixtures will dictate for me.

    7. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Not much wrong with that

  22. bitm2007
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Assuming Wolves sign a new LB (see below) how this looking?

    https://onefootball.com/en/news/wolves-negotiating-the-signing-of-faouzi-ghoulam-30756066

    5.0 maybe Ramsdale
    TAA, Doherty, Robertson, 4.5m rotation
    Salah, KDB, ASM, Soucek
    Werner, Martial

    4.0, 4.0, 4.4, 4.5

    If Vinagre turns out to be nailed, Doherty and Martial to Vinagre to Fernandes is an option

    1. MarkoSD
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      pretty great, would like to have cojones to go again with taa robo combo

      1. bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        I see Robbo, VVD and Doherty as better value than Mitro, Antonio, Wood etc, plus it gives me 7 Premium options.

  23. One Man
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Could this be Chris woods year ? Or is his game time to limited to be a real golden asset ?

    1. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Without fixtures, it's hard to say, but right now, he's prob the pick of the budget forwards. Can't see game time being an issue either. If he's fit, he starts.

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Got interest from Brighton and Newcastle too, which would be a very different story from an FPL perspective. Hope he stays at Burnley

  24. One Man
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Best 5.5m defender ? Will Ake be nailed ?

    1. IRBOX ⚽
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      No. Spurs probably or Tierney

    2. Francescoli
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Not a great price range for defenders. Up to Doherty or down to a 4.5 imo.

  25. MarkoSD
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    puli and ings
    or salah and obafemi?

  26. FOO FIGHTER
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    We seriously need fixtures now!

  27. Budgies
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts on this lineup:

    McCarthy
    TAA, Saliba, Vinagre
    Aub, Pulisic, KDB, Fernandes, Soucek
    Jiminez, Mitrovic

    (Button, Taylor, Ferguson, Davis)

  28. GreenWindmill
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    From my superficial glance through people's drafts almost everyone is looking for a way to get at least one Man Utd attacker and nobody seems to be looking at their defence. I'm doing the same thing as it stands but it's easy to forget they only conceded 36 goals last season (just 3 more than Liverpool) whilst scoring 66 (1 fewer than Leicester).

    Do we think the signing of Fernandes/emergence of Greenwood has now transformed them into a free scoring team or is it just recency bias because they had that great patch of fixtures after the restart? Or do we not care about any of that because team performance is irrelevant, only individual players (it's probably this one isn't it)

    Regardless, Luke Shaw (5.0) could be an interesting option.

    1. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      I think it's for a different reason - the value in 4.5m defenders.

      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        That's a good point actually, any position with 'value' players mean the next price point up gets a bit less attractive.

    2. Limbo
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      Stil a bit leaky - I prefer a 4.5 + two premiums.

      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        This is kind of my point though - are they leaky or is that just how we see them?

        Only Man City (35) and Liverpool (33) let in fewer goals than Man Utd (36) last season.

        Only Wolves (47) allowed fewer big chances than Man Utd (50). Liverpool allowed 64...

        Their performance last season was that of a premium defence and there are routes in to it for 5.0. Interesting that we're almost all ignoring it is all I'm saying.

    3. Lucky Z
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      No options like Liverpool defensive trio or Doherty

      1. Andy_Social
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        This. I am considering Brandon Williams for rotation - because he's 4.5

      2. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 1 month ago

        Noone with the attacking threat to go with the clean sheets you mean? That's fair. Price reflects it though so depends what you do with the extra money.

  29. ClassiX
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/newcastle-united-transfer-rumours/newcastle-united-magpies-plan-to-sacrifice-matt-ritchie-and-dwight-gayle-for-bournemouth-ace-callum-wilson/
    This might be the end of my cunning Ritchie plan...
    If the move happens, C Wilson will be back down to 6.0 or 6.5, right?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 1 month ago

      He might be what Magpies need. I'd expect 6.5m.

  30. Lucky Z
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 1 month ago

    Guys

    One more point to mention in regards to my previous post.

    Don't you think that recent reclassification and logic for positioing (Auba, Rashford etc.) make giving 3 spots to forwards too much? In fact, So many positions to be classified as MF (DMF, CMF, R/LMF, AMF, now wingers) and only lone forwards and second strikers are classified as FWs. We assume that other than Everton there is 1 FW is general formation of most clubs. This gives as 10% space for FWs in real life (GKs aside). And what happens in FPL? 3 from 13, more than 23%!

    I think FPL should adress this and give one forward slot to MF (6 MFs, 2 FWs) with option to have 3-6-1.

    Your thoughts, please.