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Can Adams deliver on Project Restart promise and match Ings’ for FPL value?

19 August 2020 1104 comments
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Che Adams (£6.0m) could offer value in Fantasy Premier League in 2020/21 if the way he finished last season is anything to go by.

The forward found the net four times in his final eight appearances of 2019/20, an encouraging statistic for anyone hoping he will nail down a starting place at Southampton.

If Adams can deliver on the promise shown at the back end of the previous campaign, there could be a knock-on effect of Fantasy darling Danny Ings (£8.5m), which is the focus of this article.

The Saints looked to be a lost cause when Leicester City beat them 9-0 back in October, but a remarkable turnaround in form led to 13 wins from their final 28 matches. In fact, following the restart, only Manchester City and Manchester United collected more points, which resulted in a comfortable mid-table finish.

Manager Ralph Hasenhüttl has since been rewarded with a new contract, and there is evidence he’s starting to build a really good team that could challenge for a European place next season.

So, in this latest article, I’m going to have a closer look at two of their forwards. A comparison piece between the two would have been unthinkable back in December, and is possibly still a bit unfair on Ings who had a formidable season.

But with Adams finishing strongly and coming in at a significantly cheaper price, I’m going to have a look at both players individually, before zoning in on the last four Gameweeks of the season to compare the data. Yes, it’s a small sample size, but could it maybe give us an indication of what to expect going forward?

As this uses Opta data, only those with a valid Fantasy Football Scout subscription can access it in full.

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  1. JURGENAUT
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Ryan (Button)
    TAA Robbo Vinagre (Taylor, Ferguson)
    Salah KDB Ziyech Greenwood Soucek
    Mitro Werner (Davies)

    Pre-fixture thoughts?

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    1. mrmojorisin8
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      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Not a fan of Mitro and I'd hold off Ziyech until you've seen him in action for a couple of games.

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  2. ManofKent
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Thoughts on newly promoted teams often having a good start before 'being found out'?

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    1. FPL Bielsa
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I think of the three this year Leeds will be the most awkward to play against with Bielsas obsessive attention to detail and the teams ridiculous fitness levels. That said they like a quality finisher at present.

      Can’t see Brom or Fulham causing anyone too much trouble.

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      1. Samwise
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I hope you aren't referring to the almighty Bamford

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        1. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Bamford is another Jordan Rhodes.

          Great in the Championship but not quite good enough in the Premier League.

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  3. FPL Bielsa
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Very good article I started with Adams last year because I had seen him in the championship and thought he would prosper.

    For this year in my mind was always to get Ings after last years blistering form and Southampton on the up under Ralph. What has changed though is his price 8.5 might be a bit too high if I want Werner 9.5 which I probably do.

    If Adams looks first choice pre season and Saints fixtures are ok I’ll probably start with him again and hope for a better outcome this year.

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    1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I hope he will be able to keep his after lockdown form. He was beast when played for Birmingham.

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      1. FPL Bielsa
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Yes I remember he always seemed to score against my team Leeds

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    2. avfc82
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      • 16 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Thanks mate, and yeah, that £8.5m price point does look tricky to accommodate right now with Werner around.

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  4. mixology
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Great read here on Ings (fitness, pressing) as a follow up to the article written:

    Was shared by a FPL community member on Twitter a few weeks back

    https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11700/12035725/ralph-hasenhuttl-analyses-danny-ings-success-at-southampton

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    1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I assumed that he would be able to adapt to the Premier League quicker. But the difference between the Championship and the Premier League is significant. So I always take cautionary approach to newly promoted teams.

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      1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        reply fail to FPL Bielsa

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    2. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Thanks for sharing mate, I read it when researching the piece, would def recommend it!

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      1. mixology
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers- thanks for your article!

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  5. The Sarjeant
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Lyon are my favourite club out of all the top leagues. I hope they can somehow get past Bayern and embarrass PSG!

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    1. Jebiga
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      They will beat Bayern only

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      1. The Sarjeant
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I highly doubt they can! 😆

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    2. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Would be nice but think they’re done here though.

      Can’t remember the last time Lyon beat a top club in Europe either.

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      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Love it

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      2. The Sarjeant
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        It was Saturday 😉

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        1. Stockport Hatter
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          He said top club

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    3. KAALI_DAAL
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I won't be able to stand PSG if they win it, and it looks like if Bayern qualifies, chances of PSG winning would be very slim.

      Rooting for Bayern.

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  6. JJeyy
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Chelsea and Man U are the value teams this year. Exploiting them, whilst many scrap to fit in 3 premium mids.

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    1. jtreble
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Agree.

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  7. Scapegoat Salah
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone tempted by Moore 4.5 Sheffield United keeper now that Henderson won’t be extending loan spell?

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    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      If Ramsdale gets injured, absolutely.

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      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Ah yeah they getting him?

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        1. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Looks as good as done.

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    2. KAALI_DAAL
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Ramsdale to Sheffield looks like a done deal.

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Took his medical today according to that all knowing entity, Twitter.

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  8. The Mighty Hippo
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Aubamayang seems to be missing out on a lot of the draft teams being posted lately. I guess he's coming third in the premium midfielder race behind Salah and KDB, although I can't help but think that he could have an amazing season in an improving Arsenal side.

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    1. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I’ve got him currently.

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    2. Ser Davos
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Can't decide between him and Sterling

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    3. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      He is in my team subject to fixtures

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      1. Rasping Drive
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Very much this

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    4. FPL Bielsa
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      KDB for 0.5 less probably and I guess nearly all want Mo.

      Fixture announcement might change things if he has Fulham and West Brom first two fixtures

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    5. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      You can't have them all. Tough choice between him and Salah.

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      1. Rainer
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        This.

        Fixtures tomorrow might change everything. Auba loves the weak defences.

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    6. Klaren
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I agree Arsenal are improving but not sure if they are improving attacking-wise, I think they are defending better which was their main problem. While his output was similar, I preferred Auba under Emery as he didn’t have to do any defending.

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    7. mixology
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      He’s the most exciting option for me as I never really owned him as I typically stay away from premium strikers.

      If Arsenal’s opening fixtures are great I’ll consider starting with him, especially if the Manchester clubs don’t have a GW 1 fixture.

      There’s just so many proven performers in the Premium mids category at that price or below. If say, he rotates the captaincy option well with Salah (at home) I’d be excited to own him

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    8. Goonsquad245
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      You’ve got it right - the only premium midfielder I’d pick him over at their prices is Mane. Even of those with 3, Bruno is often the third because of his lower price.

      He’ll do well this year, but will find it hard to fit him in at most points.

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  9. methos
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Which do you guys prefer?

    A: Robbo - ASM
    B: Doherty - Foden

    Currently on B.

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    1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      B

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    2. JURGENAUT
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      A

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    3. amitmishr
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Doherty, soucek

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      1. Our Tiny Windows
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Cmon.

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    4. Our Tiny Windows
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      B

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    5. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      A because I know they’re both solidly nailed on.

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  10. Cheeto__Bandito
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Joe Gomez anyone?

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    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Nice price once you know you’re only buying for the CS’, nothing more.

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    2. Soto Ayam
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      He'll do well over the season and is worth the price. Try to add .5 for Doherty?

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Correct. Find the extra for Doherty.

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  11. JURGENAUT
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Ryan (Button)
    TAA Robbo Vinagre (Taylor, Ferguson)
    Salah KDB Ziyech Greenwood Soucek
    Mitro Werner (Davies)

    Initial Pre-fixture thoughts?

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  12. el polako
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone here played seriously FanTeam ?
    Wonder is you can simply copy\paste your fpl team\transfers to achieve similar results ?
    Want to give it a go but dont have enough time to ponder for hours over my decisions for both games.

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    1. Klaren
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I didn’t play it before but I think some tweaks are needed. Keepers are more valuable, no bps makes forwards less attractive, top teams have an advantage due to +1 point per won.

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      1. Klaren
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Per match won*

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    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      You won't win by playing the same way. The rules are different.

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    3. Our Tiny Windows
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Prices, scoring, transfers, chips, positions are different.

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    4. Ronnie Hotdog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I've signed up for the coming season. A lot of the prices are different so you can't just copy/paste your FPL team - I tried and it came to £105m in FanTeam.

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    5. el polako
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Thank you All.

      Will go over the rules and scoring system in detail before I decide what to do.
      To be honest thought it will be straight forward job.

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  13. thorvaldsson
    • 13 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Is Bernando a good alternative to the usual attackers at City.

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    1. JURGENAUT
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Mahrez and Foden are better options as well as the obvious KDB, Sterling, Jesus

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    2. mixology
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I’d prefer Foden at a million less, and Mahrez at a million more.

      Not sure why Bernardo played so many less minutes last season than the one before. If he starts impressing Pep he could be a real sleeper pick. I kind of forgot about him tbh

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    3. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Can’t see him being a serious FPL option but see him being a bigger thorn in the side of Mahrez/Foden being serious FPL options.

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    4. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      He had subpar last season, but Dilva left and he may get more chances as number 8. He is priced nicely.

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  14. mad_beer ✅
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Has anyone else just created a team using the auto feature and not touched it since? No point really without fixtures.

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    1. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah, same mate, I did build a Watchlist today tho with a load of notes / stats attached.

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    2. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I’ve been tinkering a stupid amount but it’s been pretty much a waste of time, should have spent more time looking at stats - live and learn

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  15. SADIO SANÉ
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Only 2 more days until everyone has pretty much the same team! Exciting

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    1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Then will preseason and an international break follow. Some of players will get injured and then changing the squad will underway:)

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  16. BrutalLogiC
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Not much love for Puli, how come?

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    1. AuFeld
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      He's 'merican and injured.

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    2. amitmishr
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      If he wasn't injured, may be some love. But Chelsea has too many options and not too sure how they will settle down. Will Lampard drop mount or restructure the roles

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      1. cravencottage
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Lampard will build around him. He is their most explosive MF player. If he were healthy, he would be in many teams

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    3. Soto Ayam
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      He's regularly injured.

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  17. have you seen cyan
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    This is the nice part of the season before you hate your team

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  18. amitmishr
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Finally united going for brooks. Remember him coming with those runs for an agressive Bournemouth side. Looked an exciting prospect. What position does he generally play. Rotation option in cam role or on the wings

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    1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Which united? Manchester? If I remember correctly he played as RW under Howe.

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      1. amitmishr
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Yes, Manchester United. Looked good while Playing and below 50 mn, so gave my doubts whether Woodward will allow. But let's see

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        1. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          If that will happend he will probably treats Greenwood minutes. I think if Woodward get him for right price he may be perspective and useful player. However, we can not rule out that it is smoke screen used as a tactic in Sancho negotiations.

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    2. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      If he goes to MU, I doubt he gets many minutes

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        This

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        1. amitmishr
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          I think he will get minutes, as long as they don't buy naother forward. United has no rotation option for front 4 players

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  19. Muller Reus Corner
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    How’s this draft looking?
    Ryan, 4.0
    TAA, VVD, Doherty, 4.5, 4.5
    Salah, KDB, Greenwood, Ziyech, 4.5
    Jimenez, Mitrovic, 4.5

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    1. Our Tiny Windows
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Great but not a mitrovic fan

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      1. Muller Reus Corner
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks, who do you prefer?

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        1. Our Tiny Windows
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          I have Antonio but not sure either.

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    2. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Awesome imo! Doherty -> 5.0 would let you upgrade VVD to Robbo and Jimenez to Martial (which looks even more awesome to me) 🙂

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  20. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    I think 352 is becoming the best underdog formation. It's slowly replacing the 442...

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    1. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I’ve been on 3-5-2 since the game launched. Highly doubt I’ll change.

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I meant real football. Looking at Lyon 😀

        OOOHHH, Memphis should have scored. See, it's effective on the counter...

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        1. The Sarjeant
          • 12 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Oh! 😳

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    2. Soto Ayam
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Trying for 442 myself at the moment. Like having a 5th mid who can cover the fodder Def and forward.

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    3. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Once you have the players, can’t see Dyche charging to it anytime soon.

      So good at stifling and then having the numbers to hurt.

      Wolves vs City...

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        The successful big sides have been attacking in a 235 or 325 lately to overload back 4s, so it makes sense to defend in a 5 now.

        Yeah, Burnley's squad is structured towards a 442, and it would require too much investment to change.

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  21. Elskied
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Thoughts on A or B?

    McCarthy
    TAA Pieters Ayling. - if Taylor instead of Pieters, why?
    Fernandes KDB Sterling Harrison ASM
    Ings Martial
    ( Nyland Davis Walker-Peters Ferguson)

    McCarthy
    Tierney TAA Alonso
    Dendoncker Traore Son KDB Salah
    Antonio Ings
    (RYan, Ayling, Ferguson, Davis)

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  22. Nanoelektronicar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Why is my season ticker updated 🙂 ?

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    1. Nanoelektronicar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      It looks like a last season ticker with relegated and promoted swapped.

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    2. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Must be fillers for the update tomorrow.

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  23. Moderately content penguin
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Strategy query

    Have a fairly tidy - and obviously theoretical - side for 99 mill using Koucek as 4th mid

    The extra mill could go pretty much anywhere - midfield attack or less probably defence

    Most likely use of it would be on a 5.5 in midfield or attack. Possibly valid strategy just to leave it itb? Rather than put it on the bench on someone specific better to wait for best 5.5 to emerge? That way I get to decide between both midfield and attack

    5.5 not only use as it puts Kun Vardy Kane in reach too

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    1. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I really think it’s irrelevant until tomorrow morning - your team is bound to change

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      1. Moderately content penguin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Of course. Still interested in the validity of the idea.

        Also of the players here not asterisked I’d regard as fairly fixture neutral. Others may get better fixtures of course.

        McCarthy*
        TAA Robbo 4.5* 4.5 * 4.0*
        12.0 KdB Greenwood Koucek 4.5*
        Werner Jim 4.5*

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    2. FPL Theorist
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Yes, there's nothing wrong with that strategy.

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  24. Nightcrawler
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Fun fact

    Bayern and lyons last meeting was a champoions league semifinal too. 10 years ago

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    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Well they're not going to play in the Prem lol

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  25. Eat my goal!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Kdb salah and Bruno is a ball and chain!

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    1. Game of Throw_ins
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Bruno vs Rashford (+1m) is close one for me.

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      1. Steve The Spud
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Me to, I did check the stats and Bruno is a long way in front, worth the 1m I think

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    2. Goonsquad245
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      In what sense? In the sense that having all 3 restricts the rest of your team? I agree!

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  26. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Lyon are sooo good on the counter. Bayern's high line getting shredded with pace.

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    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Any pace would do them in really, Neymar Mbappe must be licking their lips

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Might not even get through at this rate.

          Lyon should be a few goals up by now...

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    2. have you seen cyan
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Was Salah always bad away? Only a great captain pick 50% of the time

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      1. @persecuted_by_mods
          5 years, 5 months ago

          When Mane played yes Salah was a bad option (as opposed to just captaining someone else)

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        • Goonsquad245
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Lol

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      2. Game of Throw_ins
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Best long term points potential in 6-7m range?
        A. Foden
        B. Antonio
        C. Robbo
        D. Van Dijk
        E. Mitrovic

        Leaning towards Robbo/ Foden.

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        1. Steve The Spud
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Robbo or vvd set and forget

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        2. jimski
          • 15 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          C and D

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      3. Botman and Robben
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Somehow, Firmino at 9.5M has 2.6% ownership. Who are these managers?

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        1. KAALI_DAAL
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Those stubborn Liverpool fans who think Firmino is the best striker in premier league who doesn't have the goals to show for it.

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      4. La Roja
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Scenes! Bayern struggling,

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        1. La Roja
          • 13 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Timing

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        2. KAALI_DAAL
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Gnabry disagrees

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