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Can Adams deliver on Project Restart promise and match Ings’ for FPL value?

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Che Adams (£6.0m) could offer value in Fantasy Premier League in 2020/21 if the way he finished last season is anything to go by.

The forward found the net four times in his final eight appearances of 2019/20, an encouraging statistic for anyone hoping he will nail down a starting place at Southampton.

If Adams can deliver on the promise shown at the back end of the previous campaign, there could be a knock-on effect of Fantasy darling Danny Ings (£8.5m), which is the focus of this article.

The Saints looked to be a lost cause when Leicester City beat them 9-0 back in October, but a remarkable turnaround in form led to 13 wins from their final 28 matches. In fact, following the restart, only Manchester City and Manchester United collected more points, which resulted in a comfortable mid-table finish.

Manager Ralph Hasenhüttl has since been rewarded with a new contract, and there is evidence he’s starting to build a really good team that could challenge for a European place next season.

So, in this latest article, I’m going to have a closer look at two of their forwards. A comparison piece between the two would have been unthinkable back in December, and is possibly still a bit unfair on Ings who had a formidable season.

But with Adams finishing strongly and coming in at a significantly cheaper price, I’m going to have a look at both players individually, before zoning in on the last four Gameweeks of the season to compare the data. Yes, it’s a small sample size, but could it maybe give us an indication of what to expect going forward?

As this uses Opta data, only those with a valid Fantasy Football Scout subscription can access it in full.

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  1. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Mount + 1m or Ziyech?

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    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Z

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      1. nico05
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Agreed

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      2. adstomko
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Mount tempts me, as he may be on FKs and corners to begin with

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        1. Ze_Austin
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Most likely exclusively Ziyech's duty now. Much better on a dead ball

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  2. Ze_Austin
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    The Bruno defensive effect:

    9 of Man U's 13 clean sheets last season came in the 14 games with Bruno, which included 4 clean sheets against 5 opponents from the eventual top 8 (thereby excluding SHU who were in the top 8 at the time they played, and was also a CS)

    More details of the exact teams and scorelines involved can be seen here: https://bit.ly/2YiD6J7

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    1. Bennerman
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Surely this is just fairly coincidental numbers in a small pool?

      A stretch to claim Bruno is instrumental in United keeping clean sheets.

      Tail wagging dog, as we see a lot with number-crunching

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      1. Bennerman
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I was talking all round that stat in a moment of diplomacy.

        Translated: nonsense, United defence was tightening and Bruno then arrived much further up the field along the way, numbers quoted mean BS

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        1. Ze_Austin
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Re "United defence was tightening and Bruno then arrived much further up the field along the way":

          In the 6 games Man U played before Bruno's first game (GW25), Man U kept two clean sheets, with 4 goals conceded against Liverpool in GW23, and 2 goals conceded against Burnley in GW24, followed by a clean sheet against Wolves in Bruno's first game, then a clean sheet against Chelsea in GW26

          You can go as far back or forward from GW25 as you like by checking here: https://bit.ly/34jGNlF

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          1. Bennerman
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            I mean actually watching the games and seeing the defence become a better unit, get the clean sheets that many times had been lost by individual lapses or worldy goals.

            Or... it's just a total numbers game and it's all down to an attacking midfielder.

            Fine, you roll on, numberhead.

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            1. Ze_Austin
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              So your argument here is that Man U's defensive improvement was completely unrelated to Bruno's presence, even with 4 clean sheets in 24 games without him, then 9 clean sheets in 14 games with him... Because the individual lapses and worldie goals could only occur in the 24 games without him (enough to only keep 4 clean sheets), and somehow occurred rarely enough in 14 games with him for the team to finally keep 9 clean sheets, including 4 clean sheets from 5 games against the top 8 teams who'd usually be expected to be able to force those defensive errors or score those worldie goals?

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              1. Bennerman
                • 7 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                I never said that it was completely unrelated, those are words you have for some reason attributed to me. "so your argument is..."

                More like you are saying they are really closely related?

                Look at how you started this thread

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                1. Ze_Austin
                  • 7 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  Your words: "Surely this is just fairly coincidental numbers in a small pool? A stretch to claim Bruno is instrumental in United keeping clean sheets. Tail wagging dog, as we see a lot with number-crunching"

                  You said they are just fairly coincidental, and later called my post utter BS

                  How I started the thread: "The Bruno defensive effect: 9 of Man U's 13 clean sheets last season came in the 14 games with Bruno, which included 4 clean sheets against 5 opponents from the eventual top 8 (thereby excluding SHU who were in the top 8 at the time they played, and was also a CS)". I never said Bruno tackled a lot or pressed the ball high. I said there has been a clear correlation between Bruno's presence on the pitch and the presence of clean sheets for Man U, regardless of the opponent

                  Again, what is your point?

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          2. Bennerman
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            If you'd like me to go into your stats, which I've no real desire to, you have claimed here that United shipped four to Liverpool in GW 23.

            That's completely wrong. You got it wrong by 100%, in fact.

            If that basic stat is so wrong, how can I take the rest of what you're saying seriously? Given it is based only on numbers?

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            1. Ze_Austin
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Yes, I made a mistake in the number of Liverpool goals. To avail everybody reading this of the opportunity to confirm the stats for themselves and hopefully note any mistakes, I attached links with the full details of the clean sheets, fixtures and goals conceded. If you feel there are any other stats I got wrong, feel free to calculate/count/check and point that out. At no point in my post have I claimed to be either superhuman or all-knowing. I get things wrong too, and things I say can be proven or disproven with stats and records

              This is unrelated to the statistics of Man U's defensive record with Bruno in the side. If you have proof that they did not keep 4 clean sheets in 24 games before him, then 9 clean sheets in 14 games with him, or that Man U's defensive returns did not markedly improve from the first minute Bruno kicked a Premier League ball, I'd be happy to accept your point... Which you still have not made with any attempt of proof

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              1. Bennerman
                • 7 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                Jesus, this is desperate.

                I don't care that much mate, I was just really saying that you seemed to be saying that Bruno was somehow key to United's run of clean sheets, when – as a United watcher – I thought that was a half-baked idea.

                If you're so wed to that idea, fine.

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                1. Ze_Austin
                  • 7 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  The assumption that I do not keenly watch United either is not based on anything I've said here. I'm not comparing notes on what other specific factors (Ole, starting XI, team motivation, inspired performances, more wins, returning injured players, Greenwood, Shaw, Fred) improved Man U's defensive returns, just that these returns correlated with Bruno's first game for the side and stayed consistent until the season ended

                  There are countless other possible factors that could have come into play, but the clean sheets increased markedly for the team from the first game after he joined. That has been my point since the original post, and I have not changed nor modified it

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                  1. Bennerman
                    • 7 Years
                    5 years, 5 months ago

                    It's not though, is it?

                    You've not just said purely that United have had more clean sheets while Bruno has been in the team, regardless of other factors, as a statistical point.

                    You've said:
                    'The Bruno defensive effect'

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                    1. Bennerman
                      • 7 Years
                      5 years, 5 months ago

                      Sorry, didn't see conversation was closed.

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                    2. Ze_Austin
                      • 7 Years
                      5 years, 5 months ago

                      Fourth definition of effect: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/effect

                      First definition of influence: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/influence

                      Would you have preferred "Bruno's probably indirect influence on his team's defensive performance, pending further research as to why" as the title of my original post? If so, then accept my mistake of simplifying the title and not making my original post as long as my comments here tend to be

                      Yes, United have had more clean sheets while Bruno has been in the team, regardless of other factors, as a statistical point... Because it is a statistical point. The reasons for this, or reasons to prove that it's just a correlation and not causation, can then come after stating the statistical point

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                      1. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Jesus wept.

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      2. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Coincidence is an interesting term to use here

        In the 24 games Man U played before buying Bruno, they kept 4 clean sheets. In the 14 games they played with him in the side, 5 being against the top 8, they kept 9 clean sheets. An upgrade of 0.167 clean sheets per match (including before Pogba's injury) to 0.643 clean sheets per match with Bruno in the side

        This gulf in defensive returns for the entire team is more than what can be attributed to mere coincidence or simple variance. A new player doesn't have to be a centre-back or DM to contribute to his side's defence, either directly (efficient pressing, ball recovery high up the pitch) or by simply elevating the team's confidence levels or being a missing piece that finally allows the side to control games more, making them concede fewer chances and hence fewer goals

        I'm not discussing Bruno's defensive contributions to the side - tackles and what not - but referring to the effect of his presence/signing on the team as a defensive unit, as there was no other personnel change (yes, including Pogba) that brought this effect throughout the season

        If 9 clean sheets in 14 games (including 4 in 5 games vs top 8) sounds like a coincidence to you, that's fine

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        1. AuFeld
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Giggity.

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          1. Ze_Austin
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            © 🙂

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        2. Moderately content penguin
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          The United defensive surge is interesting as it puts 5.5 defenders in play. AWB did really well in that period - less glam but he wasn’t far off matching Doh for value. If that repeats then that’s very interesting - premium points at a discount

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        3. Bennerman
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Sorry, no. I watch United very, very closely and the reason for a run of clean sheets was not Bruno.

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          1. Ze_Austin
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Okay, then what was the change completely independent on Bruno that led to a much higher rate of clean sheets from the first minute he kicked a ball for Man U in the league?

            Again, I'm not saying Bruno brought in more tackles nor that he pressed harder than the previous player in his position. There has been much talk of how his presence improved the attack, but next to none about the effect of his signing on the defence, hence my statistics... Which you have said a few times is utter BS, without explaining anything with proof

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            1. Bennerman
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              What the?

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              1. Bennerman
                • 7 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                It's not 'proof', at best it's a 'factor', and still an unproven one.

                Blimey. You must understand there are many other factors at play in the run of clean sheets, not just the fact that Bruno was playing at the time?

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                1. Ze_Austin
                  • 7 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  There are multiple factors that influence a team's defensive ability. The one visible, provable factor that changed when Man U went from 0.167 clean sheets per match to 0.643 clean sheets per match was the signing and immediate deployment of a new player: Bruno Fernandes

                  There will definitely be other factors, but the fact remains that in the 14 games with him, they kept 9 clean sheets, while they kept 4 clean sheets in 23 games without him. This includes 1 clean sheet in the 7 games they played with Pogba starting before GW25

                  I'm hereby asking you to provide any form of proof that the upturn in defensive performance of the team was unrelated to Bruno's presence, which is what my post is about. Again, I'm not referring to his defensive contributions as a player, but the immediate and sustained effect of his presence on the team

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                  1. Bennerman
                    • 7 Years
                    5 years, 5 months ago

                    Do you think this strange sort of officious language puts you in control? Weird.

                    Meanwhile, I refer you back to your clanger about conceding four goals v Liverpool in January.

                    Embarrassing. And undermining.

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                    1. BackcountryDave
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      5 years, 5 months ago

                      God but you are tiresome.

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                    2. Ze_Austin
                      • 7 Years
                      5 years, 5 months ago

                      Yes, I made a mistake with the number of goals Liverpool scored, and I gave links which can be used to prove or disprove anything I say. The stats and records in the links I sent are independent of any human errors I might make in reporting them, so a slip in reporting one does not make every other stat you can see there in the link automatically untrue, so your argument of my one slip affecting all the stats (even though you can confirm the stats to be true) is not based on any facts

                      About my language, I have always talked in full detail and expressed my opinion or reported stats as clearly as I could. You can check my comment history. It is not based on whether I'm arguing or not, does not give me any sense of authority, and is something I was trained for 6+ years to do as a doctor, to reduce the chances of anything I say being miscommunicated to the patient. I'm sorry if this offends you... But how does this affect the fact that Man U's defensive returns increased from the moment Bruno joined the team?

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          2. swervinho
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            That's your response?!

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        4. MJF
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          He’s a good leader, had a pop at Lindelof the other night probably what some United players need.

          I think it’s a stretch to say he’s responsible for the cleans. He’s one of a number of factors surely. What about Matic coming back into form?

          Also, when Ole players the top sides does he not normally go quite defensive? Particularly v City, when he played a back five.

          Correlation isn’t causation.

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          1. Bennerman
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            True, Matic form certainly one. And your other points. There are lots more factors (just winning games is one).

            What stattos round here will like as well, 'regressing to the mean' because our expected goals was quite a bit less that we'd conceded in the first half of the season.

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            1. Bennerman
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              goals conceded I mean, kill me now stattos

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          2. Ze_Austin
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Again, I have only reported the correlation without giving a reason for causation. There's been an effect of his presence when checking only returns. The causation or lack thereof can be proven with further stats or deeper analysis. But as seen in the world of statistics, when something changes suddenly and consistently due to the presence of another entity, this new entity is considered a factor, but the effect might not be understood nor the causation proven or disproven until deeper analysis, which I did not attempt to provide nor claim I had done

            All I did was report that Man U kept this number of clean sheets in the games before him, and that number in the games without

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            1. Bennerman
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Again, you now claim to be somehow reporting in he abstract, but look at how you couched your entire thread?

              Remember that you started all of this, not with a question but with a direct statement.

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      3. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        It's not a total coincidence. Bruno's introduction has pegged back opposition players. They're afraid to commit too many men forward because they're well aware that he's more than capable of punishing them on the counter. While pre-Bruno they had no such concerns because they knew that Lingard/Pereira would mess up the counter 9/10 times.

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    2. Moderately content penguin
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      🙂

      Issue I struggle with with these Man U stats is that if you combine them they would win the league. I don’t approve of that 🙂

      Can’t help but feel that post restart had a strange dynamic. Just don’t know how to determine what’s likely to repeat and what not. Currently I’m just weighting all that form fairly lightly

      And yes I know the Bruno effect in attack predates restart. Are United really contenders?

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      1. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        As a Liverpool fan, this stat scared me a lot more than it was just about picking a Man U defender. Felt I had to share it. I hope it's just a blip, as I want us to get the title again 🙂

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    3. In FPHell
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Interesting stats - it’s hard to deny that Bruno proved to be the missing piece in that side. His mentality and attitude have clearly had an impact throughout the entire side - something which I think people might not accept/ understand when there isn’t a stats table to quantify it!
      Of course OP isn’t saying he’s making last ditch tackles, no need to get so irate about someone posting some mildly interesting stats

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      1. Bennerman
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        TBF I was not being 'so irate', at least give me a fair jury by reading back. I've not even got angry here?

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        1. Ze_Austin
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          "Tail wagging dog, as we see a lot with number-crunching"
          "Jesus, this is desperate."
          "Translated: nonsense, United defence was tightening and Bruno then arrived much further up the field along the way, numbers quoted mean BS"

          Night night

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          1. Bennerman
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Night. Count sheep.

            Try to get it right.

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            1. Ze_Austin
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Okay. Thanks 🙂

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              1. Tomerick
                • 11 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                Do we have stats to see what Bruno’s impact on possession was because I’d expect that would have had an impact defensively?

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                1. Ze_Austin
                  • 7 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  Sadly, I only have the eye test for this, and I'm not an authority on the eye test. Getting the stats to prove or disprove his effect beyond just correlation takes a deep dive that I do not currently have the access to, or rather, would not do for free

                  It's possible to hazard a guess that it's due to increased possession or higher confidence or the entire first XI being on the pitch together (which later caused fatigue), but I can't back these up with links

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                  1. Tomerick
                    • 11 Years
                    5 years, 5 months ago

                    Perhaps it’s just a case of the best defence being a good offence.

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            2. Cooking_on_Fabregas
              • 10 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Are you RUTH in disguise?!

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            3. Tomerick
              • 11 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              An outside perspective looking in on this thread:

              Ze_Austin: Raises an interesting point worthy of discussion and backed by figures.

              Bennerman: “Lame Troll Mode Initiated.”

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              1. Bennerman
                • 7 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                OK.

                Each to their own.

                What have I called out that is so rock-solid?

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                1. Tomerick
                  • 11 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  No one said it was rock solid not even the OP. He’s pointed out the correlation and was hoping to discuss it with likeminded people on this message board. Instead he found you cruising for an online argument over nothing for some reason.

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                  1. Bennerman
                    • 7 Years
                    5 years, 5 months ago

                    That seems harsh to me, if you look back at the tone.

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                    1. Bennerman
                      • 7 Years
                      5 years, 5 months ago

                      He posited a theory, I questioned it. How is that not the fair way a discussion goes, neutral?

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                    2. Tomerick
                      • 11 Years
                      5 years, 5 months ago

                      His tone was respectful throughout whereas you were calling the whole thing BS from the start. Take a little time and try to cultivate some self awareness.

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                      1. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        OK, his brother.

                        Or his second account.

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                      2. Tomerick
                        • 11 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Easier to think that than look inward I suppose.

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                      3. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        What is this attack? I'm open to answer any criticism

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                      4. Tomerick
                        • 11 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        I’ve made the criticism. There’s little else to be said on the matter.

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                      5. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Was suggesting one chance to be civil but OK. Got you.

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                      6. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        So is this supposed to be wisdom? You must be a very clever man.

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                      7. Tomerick
                        • 11 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Wow you genuinely believe you’ve been victimised don’t you? I’m done.

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                      8. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Wow! (as you think is a cool turn of phrase).

                        Are you done? WOW

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                      9. Tomerick
                        • 11 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Goodnight 😉

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                      10. have you seen cyan
                        • 6 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Its fairly obvious who Bennerman is, yes he has two accounts here

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                      11. Tomerick
                        • 11 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Please don’t tell me it’s Ze_Austin and I just got embroiled in a bizarre schizophrenic encounter?

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                      12. have you seen cyan
                        • 6 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        lmao, well I wont bother saying but there is only a couple of people who argue and speak like this. Ignore the name and picture and think who it reminds you of, or next time you see it.

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                      13. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Check your logic Rick. Go back a few posts

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                      14. Tomerick
                        • 11 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        Ah yes I think I’ve got it!

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                      15. Bennerman
                        • 7 Years
                        5 years, 5 months ago

                        WYF? OK lads, of that amuses you

                        I've certainly seen you but you less often see me.

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    4. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Jesus ladies. Time of the month or what? Take some Valium before bed. 😉

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    5. Sanchit
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Correlation does not imply causation 🙂

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  3. bitm2007
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Ramsdale deal done, the same day Henderson announced he would not be extending his loan deal from Manchester United for a third campaign.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53843358

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    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Rules Sheffield def out for me then

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      • Vazza
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I’m really hoping Ramsdale is priced at 4.5m. It’s unlikely though.

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    2. T.Henry14
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      some notes:

      - TAA with 4.5 defenders (plenty 4.5 options)
      - 2 premium mids (Salah/Sterling/KDB/Auba)
      - Greenwood IF ManUtd doesn't bring anyone.
      - Werner-Mitrovic duo in attack, 15.5 mill, possible both on pens
      - Ramsdale @5.0 for sure. This season Sheffield GK and Burnley def.
      - Rashford as midfielder very tempting...

      Ramsdale, 4.0
      TAA + 3x4.5 + 4.0
      2 premium (Salah&KDB safe opt), Rashford, Greenwood, Saint-Maximin
      Werner, Mitrovic (4.5 fodder)

      3-5-2 with one 4.5 defender for rotation with SaintMaximin or others 4.5 defs.

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        nice notes but going 343 personally

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      2. tuvok
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        The template emerges! I think I prefer a 6.5 forward with a 4.5 midfield fodder that actually plays though.

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      3. OverTinker
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Ramsdale 4.0??

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        1. OverTinker
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          sorry I mis-read

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    3. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      A) Bruno + Greenwood in a 3-5-2
      Or
      B) Salah + Doherty in a 4-4-2

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        not keen on 442 but still prefer b

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        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          I like 4-4-2. Thanks.

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      2. Klaren
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I think this one is really dependent on fixtures.

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        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          It is! 🙂

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      3. Moderately content penguin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Tricky

        Think I’d go B. What’s the 5 across the middle out of curiosity? Finding it hard to get 5 I want. I keep looking at premiums at the back who make the fourth fifth mid look poor value - and Trent Robbo and Doh are mids in all but name anyway

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        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          KDB Fernandes Greenwood Foden Soucek

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          1. Moderately content penguin
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Ok

            Remember now from page or so back. It’s potentially really strong isn’t it? You need to be able to fight EO fear but that’s never been an issue for me.

            The one problem is have with it personally is the exit strategy if Foden became a liability. Negative thinking I know but as someone who over transfers I can see myself taking a minus 8!

            I suppose Foden could be put into defence if you don’t have Doh - very few others in his range at midfield

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            1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
              • 9 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Thanks for your answer.

              I hope it's strong! But I think the Salah/Doherty option is also strong!

              You are right about Foden. But he's an exciting punt really!

              Still B? 🙂

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              1. Moderately content penguin
                • 7 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                On B myself - more sure of Doh than Mo! So take what I say with pinches of salt

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                1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
                  • 9 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  Appreciate your opinions. Cheers!

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      4. SADIO SANÉ
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Fixture dependent, I'll be looking for any excuse I can get to start without United players - they blew away some shite teams and then looked turgid in EL games

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        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          United in decline? Or just a few bad games maybe?

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          1. SADIO SANÉ
            • 10 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Just flattered by bad teams maybe, they also did have more motivation than most - they are still good but maybe not must haves

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            1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
              • 9 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              You could be right there.
              My Bruno draft includes 3 United
              And the Salah draft includes only one.

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      5. FOO FIGHTER
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        B looks better

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        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Cheers

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      6. SAY MY NAME
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        B

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    4. adstomko
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Any advice for changes?
      McCarthy
      TAA - Vinagre - Taylor
      KDB - Salah - Ziyech - JWP
      Werner - Martial - Adams

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      1. FPL Pillars
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        My advice re do after 9am

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      2. Tomerick
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Mitrovic over Adams

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    5. One Man
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Why soucek ? Did he end the season well ?

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      1. Vazza
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I’m personally not buying into that. There were 9 gameweeks during Project Restart and people are basing their thoughts on that very small sample size.

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        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          his price is awkward too, yes he s cheap but hard to replace if he flops.

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          1. Tomerick
            • 11 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            I’m looking at him as a fifth mid for the bench that I know will play. Hopefully fulfills the Cantwell role at only .5 more

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      2. Soto Ayam
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Yes, and he's a cheap nailed on starter with a goal threat, especially from set pieces.

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    6. Vazza
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Are we overlooking Mane simply because he has been priced the same as Salah?

      Maybe I am being naive but if we are favouring Salah because he is on penalties then perhaps we need to think again. Liverpool were awarded 5 pens in the PL during the 2019/20 season. Salah took 3 while Milner took 2. Let’s assume for argument sake that Milner is no longer part of first XI, then Salah would take 2 additional pens if Liverpool were again awarded 5 pens this season. To me that does not justify why Salah would be a better pick than Mane especially if we consider the eye test when Mane appears to outperform Salah in most if not all the games.

      Let me know what you think guys..

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      1. MJF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Both great players. More or less pot luck which one scores more over a season. Doubt there’ll be more than 20 FPL points separating them come May.

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      2. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Salah always finishes higher than Mane at the end of the season though. for the same price Salah any day for me.

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Just out interest, do you watch many Liverpool games. I have watched a few and it’s been a painful and frustrating experience every time I’ve had Salah in my team.

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          1. Ajax Hamsterdam
            • 11 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            not that many no to be honest

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            1. Vazza
              • 5 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Makes sense. All the best for the season mate.

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      3. MrZ
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Check his point vs Mane.
        Done

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      4. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Pick whoever you think will get off to a better start. Season totals mean very little in this game (their season totals were identical last season anyway). It's about owning the right players at the right time. You will own neither the whole season.

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        1. MJF
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

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        2. MJF
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Bang on.

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          1. Cok3y5murf
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            The difference in ownership levels between Sterling and KDB, and Salah and Mane is way more than it should be. People just picking based on season totals. Sterling being fire during the restart seems to be completely forgotten.

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      5. Lovren an elevator
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        I don't think he is being overlooked because of his comparison to Salah. I think it's because of all the love Auba, KDB, Sterling, Fernandes, Greenwood and Rashford are getting. I like Mané a lot, but most of those guys are ahead of him in appeal

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          I agree with you mate but Salah’s current ownership is 26.3% vs Mane’s 8.5% ownership. That is some margin in my opinion.

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      6. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        we? I'm not

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      7. Goonsquad245
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        The reason Salah’s ownership will be higher than Mane’s is because he scored more points last season.

        The reason I am overlooking Mane is because I believe Salah to be a far better option with a far higher ceiling. It’s not even a question of value any more because they’re the same price.

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      8. Ronniie
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        They’re prices the same; 5 penalties and that’s 25 points extra excluding bonuses.
        Salah scored more last season.
        Salah has a higher ceiling than Mane imo.
        If you watch Liverpool you’d notice Salah to be considerably more hungrier for individual glory. Selfish but good from an FPL point of view.

        I’ll pick Salah all day.

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    7. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Feels like it’s Christmas tomorrow at 9am

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      1. Vazza
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Ok mate, calm down. Haha

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    8. Sargasso C
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Guys STOP putting Man City and Man Utd players in your teams. They will not be playing in gameweek 1. Why can't people just absorb this information and just accept it? Bizarre

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      1. Ole.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        You think they won't have their fixtures midweek?

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          This.

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      2. Rocky FPL
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Because you are wrong and it's not confirmed yet?

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      3. Marmalade Forest
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        If they do play GW1, will you hold your hands up and admit you’re wrong?

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        1. MJF
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Ivor feeling he would.

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          1. Marmalade Forest
            • 8 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            You’re Macking an assumption there

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            1. MJF
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Give it a Forest with these puns would ya.

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      4. avfc82
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Telegraph reporting both Manchester clubs will miss GW1, no idea if it’s reliable tho.

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          But can the games not be pushed a few days forward into midweek so they still fall into GW1.

          The headline is “Manchester United and Manchester City to only miss opening Premier League weekend” but it doesn’t say when those fixtures would be played instead..

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          1. avfc82
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            It says both of their seasons will kick off September 19 later in the article.

            If it were to move into midweek, so they still fall in GW1, it gets complicated, as Spurs have a euro qualifier to play, and loads of other teams have EFL cup matches.

            Not impossible of course tho, I'm not sure how reliable The Telegraph is re fixtures.

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            1. Vazza
              • 5 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              That gives us some food for thought. Thanks for sharing that mate.

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      5. Mufc202020
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Calm down baby Ivor, you don’t know that for sure

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          • 6 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

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      6. JIMMY TUGGINS
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Just put in another 3.

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        1. Ole.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Would Edward Woodward?

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    9. Marmalade Forest
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Anyone else worried about the Celtic/Aberdeen debacle happening in the Premier League this season?

      I’ve seen a lot of double and triple ups, hell at the moment I have 12 from six clubs. It’s not I feasible to have a week where I have only 6 playing with four missing for rotation, one player benched and two fodder not featuring.

      Thinking of avoiding it as much as possible. COVID ruined my FPL last season, don’t want that to happen again.

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      1. Ser Davos
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Hopefully it'll be used as a warning

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      2. Forever In Our Shadow
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Nah. The Scots are useless at football and this sums up the quality of players and teams north of the boarder in the tinpot two team premiership. The same will not happen in the Premier League.

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    10. One Man
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Martial & Wickham (bench fodder)

      Or

      Wood (Rotated) & Calvert L or Antonio.

      ??

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      1. MJF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        When the fixtures come out you’re gonna change it all anyway man.

        Just go with what you think: if I’d answered “B” with no explanation would that have helped? That’s what most A or Bs seem to get.

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        1. One Man
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Cheers. Good answer. Prob go with B as it allows more rotation unless M U start with easy fixtures and don’t sing any attackers.

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          1. MJF
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Again it’s all on the fixtures now but DCL has low ownership as it stands. If they sign a decent midfielder then perhaps they’ll start well and he’ll be a nice difference maker.

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    11. Lovren an elevator
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      A few years back, the excitement surrounding Mkhi moving to united was allover this site. He was in most rmt's. How can we be sure Werner isn't the latest Mkhi. Afterall chelsea have had their fair share of striker flops over the years...Morata, Torres, Shevchenko!

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      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Best ever was the debate (opinion depended on who you supported) over who would be the most successful in the new season, Hazard or Kagawa 😆

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        1. Zimo
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          I remember lucas moura was being touted the next big thing as well that year

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      2. MJF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Could be. Transfer him out if he’s bobbins!

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      3. SADIO SANÉ
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Mkhi was good for a bit wasn't he? Bruno the new Mkhi? 😀

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      4. Rocky FPL
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        We cant be sure mate. He can end up being the next Morata or the next Salah. We are rolling the dice. The good thing is if it doesn't work out, Ings/Jimenez/Martial is one move away. If it does work out, you will be on course for a brilliant start.

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      5. Zimo
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Abraham and Giroud did well enough in this attack. Now there will be ziyech and possibly havertz as well. I think he'll do alright

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      6. Vazza
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        David Bentley says hi.

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      7. davidfromkent
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Firstly you can fortunately choose what you want to believe and if you want Werner in your squad. Secondly what relevance have different players playing for different managers in different teams with different tactics in different era's got to do with the way Chelsea will be playing under Lampard who clearly sees the player as enhancing their ability to be even more prolific scorers.

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      8. Klaren
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        United was struggling with their attack when Mkhi arrived while Chelsea is playing under a manager with attacking mindset which has already been doing well with their attack with inferior players.

        Also Morata actually did really well for the first 10 GWs or so when he came to Chelsea. So did other examples like Diego Costa, Salah, Aubameyang and many others.

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    12. Ser Davos
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Here's another cheap-breakout-midfielder-then-classified-to-a-cheap-unsuccessful-forward:

      Josh King

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      1. Vazza
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Yup - Richardson would certainly fall into that category

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Richarlison*

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          1. Ser Davos
            • 10 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            yes of course, forgot about him

            Nice we can dismiss him at 8m

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      2. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Remember when Jota was an alternative to Jimmy?

        Same team. Completely different paths

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    13. Bird24
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      How this for a first draft
      Nyland and ryan
      Douglas, Ferguson, taylor, TAA, vinagre
      Salah, KDB , Fernandes , greenwood , ASM
      Davis, Werner Mitrovic

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      1. Rocky FPL
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        You are 10 hours early XD.
        Good price points. I personally prefer 3 forwards but.

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      2. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Douglas is a dud. Downgrade Greenwood to a 4.5m and upgrade Davis to Wood and Taylor to a 5.5m

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      3. Marmalade Forest
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        *Second draft

        https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/comment/22264269

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    14. OverTinker
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Can this work?
      McCarthy
      TAA WanBissaka Vinagre
      Salah Sterling Aubameyang Souchek
      Jiminez Antonio Mitro

      subs fodders

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      1. Rocky FPL
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Gotta see fixtures 🙁

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    15. Vazza
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Just realised that the transfer window closes on 5 October, which is a few weeks after the first GW deadline. Very frustrating.

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      1. Rocky FPL
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Especially if you own Greenwood and United sign Sancho on deadline day :p

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Yes these are exactly my thoughts. Not too keen on playing the Wildcard early this year

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      2. Marmalade Forest
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah filth move by the PL.

        All those complaining about PL transfer window closing before their European counterparts clearly weren’t thinking about forcing FPL players into making early wildcards.

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        1. Vazza
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Haha! There are many things that need to be reconsidered for example, Manchester clubs not playing in GW1 is going to cause a great deal of chaos within the FPL community.

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    16. Inspector Norse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Which is better?

      A) Ziyech + Martial

      or

      B) Greenwood + Werner

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      1. Klokan
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        ziyech and martial for me, dont belive greenwood will be as good as he was recently

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        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          what makes you say that? i think he could be an absolute bargain at 7.5 actually.

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          1. Klokan
            • 5 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            since restart in the premier league, he played 670 minutes, scored 5 goals, and got 1 assist (not including one penalty he got). If you include that, thats 95mins per fantasy return.
            He was very popular then bcs of his price, but now he has to compete with higher priced playes

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            1. Klokan
              • 5 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              martial in the same period played 755mins, scored 6 and assisted 4, not including 2 penalties.
              with pens included, thats 63 mins per return, which makes him a better option in my opinion.
              he is scoring a lot, and will get even more bonus points since he is a striker in fpl now

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    17. Klokan
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9rgq-_9BN4
      Starting my own FPL show, would be glad if you checked it out and said what you think. Thanks 🙂

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        players very blurry on my screen, maybe its my setting. gl

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        1. Klokan
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          yep its your setting, try changing the quality to at least 360p 🙂
          thanks!

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          1. Ajax Hamsterdam
            • 11 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            haha thats better !

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    18. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      best 4.5 mid? stephens?

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      1. Klokan
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        smallbone from southampton, he should be a starter this season

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        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          thank you

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      2. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Keep eye on Gordon preseason- also think Bissouma better option than Stephens.

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        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          cheers

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      3. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        A bit weird that no DM known to be nailed came in at 4.5m, even from promoted sides

        While FPL reduced the expected prices of premiums, they seem to have decided to take the 4.5m mid slot away in turn

        Annoying, but not that much of a hindrance. I agree with the comments above on your available options though

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      4. One Man
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Soucek is worth the extra 0.5.

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      5. Ask Yourself
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Bissouma is a sexier Stephens

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    19. Vazza
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      FH could have been ideal in GW1 if four teams including the Manchester clubs dont play in that GW..

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    20. Dynamic Duos
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      1st draft, thoughts?

      Ryan
      TAA Vinagre Taylor
      Salah Aubameyang Son Bruno
      Antonio Mitrovic Adam's

      Button Soucek Ferguson Douglas

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        are city def out of gw1?

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        1. Dynamic Duos
          • 12 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah mate, otherwise I would have Sterling

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          1. Ajax Hamsterdam
            • 11 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            which other team is out ?

            i d spread the funds a bit more in your team, too unbalanced imo

            gl

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            1. Dynamic Duos
              • 12 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Gl to you to mate. Don't see any value up front with any player higher priced than the ones I have

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              1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                • 11 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                jimmy definitely imo.

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                1. Dynamic Duos
                  • 12 Years
                  5 years, 5 months ago

                  How about this then

                  Bruno , Douglas and Adams to Greenwood, Ayling and Jiminez

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                  1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                    • 11 Years
                    5 years, 5 months ago

                    i think Greenwood is great at 7.5 (unless they sign someone else obviously). like it 🙂

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    21. sirmorbach
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Thoughts on Armstrong?

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        no much choice at his price range. i d be tempted by saka who has been handled the no7 shirt at arsenal. mcginn maybe.

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      2. One Man
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Like him. He was good after the restart. But will he get the minutes ?

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    22. One Man
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Chris wood only got 2436minutes last season. Why is this ? Is he being taken off with 20 to go in games.

      I like him, but this could be a problem. He finished the season well didn’t he ?

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      1. Jafalad
        • 16 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Always injured.

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    23. have you seen cyan
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Has anyone convinced themselves Adams can cover Ings? 😛

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      1. Klokan
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        not a popular opinion, but this season i expect ings to be a below average striker, so yes

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        1. have you seen cyan
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          he will certainly regress yes

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      2. One Man
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Adams only really shines after lockdown right ? Could be interesting.

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        1. have you seen cyan
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          yea I think so

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    24. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      so who else is out of gw1 apart from city ? thanks

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      1. One Man
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Are City out ?

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        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          from comments i ve been reading above looks that way but not sure anything is official yet

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      2. have you seen cyan
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        IDK, I didnt think anyone was out. Even with a 30 days requirement since their last game, City and ManU could both play mid week of GW1 and achieve those 30 days between.

        But someone said its league cup?or something that mid week so god knows

        We find out tomorrow @0900

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    25. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      doherty or vinagre + 1.5 ? thanks

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      1. have you seen cyan
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        You only get Doherty if you're doubling up I think

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        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          cheers.

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        2. JIMMY TUGGINS
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Doubt Vinagre will end up being an option.

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          1. have you seen cyan
            • 6 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            probably this in reality 😀

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    26. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Off to bed.

      Can’t wait to add Ramsdale tomorrow.£4.5 please, FPL.

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      1. have you seen cyan
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        hopefully, gn

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      2. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        17 minutes into my birthday here. Happy to see the fixture release ended up on the same day; as it does feel like some type of gift 🙂

        Night night

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        1. JIMMY TUGGINS
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Happy birthday!

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          1. Ze_Austin
            • 7 Years
            5 years, 5 months ago

            Thanks Wood! 🙂

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            1. have you seen cyan
              • 6 Years
              5 years, 5 months ago

              Enjoy your birthday, may the fixtures bring you all you wish

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              1. Ze_Austin
                • 7 Years
                5 years, 5 months ago

                Thank you, TM

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    27. Roy Rovers
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      All the info here.....

      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53838831

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    28. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Just playing around and thought why not this?

      Martinez (Nyland)
      VVD TAA Doherty Aurier (Branthwiate)
      Salah KDB Bruno Greenwood Soucek
      Anotnio 4.5 4.5

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      1. Roy Rovers
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        You have 3 that you need to bench GW1.

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        1. Forever In Our Shadow
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          Well aware of that. Just tinkering around. It’s only 1gw so thinking ahead of how to set up. The 3 can become pretty much any 3 combo amd -8 to get these in. Keep the Wc in the back pocket.

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