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How does Kai Havertz compare with Chelsea’s other FPL attacking assets?

Chelsea have continued their spending spree this summer with the acquisition of one of the most coveted young talents in Europe, Kai Havertz.

The attacking midfielder has signed a five-year deal with the Blues, following in the footsteps of Timo Werner (£9.5m) in moving to west London from the Bundesliga.

Arguably the club’s biggest statement since the signing of Eden Hazard from Lille, the German has been priced up at £8.5m – in a similar bracket to Christian Pulisic (£8.5m) and Hakim Ziyech (£8.0m) – by Fantasy Premier League and has the potential to be a real bargain.

Anyone who dabbled in Fantasy Bundesliga this summer would have been excited by what they saw – including some ‘out of position’ run-outs up front – so we’ll assess his FPL credentials in the article below.

The History and Statistics

YearAppMinsGoalsAssistsShots/gameKey passes/game
2016/17241451451.30.8
2017/18302141381.21.1
2018/193429011732.61
2019/203024621262.22
Average29.52238.89.05.51.81.2

Born in Aachen, Germany in June 1999, Havertz started out in amateur football at just four years of age for Alemannia Mariadorf where his grandfather, Richard, was club chairman. His father was a policeman and mother a lawyer so discipline was something that was impressed upon him at a young age.

It was his grandfather who encouraged him in his younger days, spending time with the youngster knocking down gnomes in the garden with his left foot. Richard’s passing when Havertz was just 10 led the German to join his first professional club, Alemannia Aachen.

He only spent a year with his hometown club, with a hat-trick against Bayer Leverkusen in an 8-3 loss impressing them enough to make them sign the youngster. He was highly sought after by clubs across the country, including Borussia Monchengladbach and Koln, but Leverkusen pulled out all the stops to sign the exciting prospect.

He notched seven goals and two assists over 23 appearances in his first season in the U17-Bundesliga West but the next season was where he really shone.

After scoring 18 goals, he was awarded the silver Fritz Walter Medal in the 2015/16 season after being named the second-best German under-17s player; two years later he won the gold in the under-19s category.

In October 2016, at 17 years and 126 days of age, he became the youngest debutant in Bayer Leverkusen’s history and later became their youngest scorer with a strike against Wolfsburg in April. 

He went on to become the youngest ever player in the Bundesliga to register 50 appearances. Coincidentally, the previous holder of that record was his new Chelsea teammate, Timo Werner. Havertz was also the youngest ever captain of Leverkusen.

After seven goals and 13 assists in his first two seasons, 2018/19 saw him become a household name in Germany with 17 goals from midfield, becoming the first teenager to hit that total in a Bundesliga season.

Nine of Havertz’s 17 goals gave Leverkusen a 1-0 lead and no player in the Bundesliga opened the scoring more frequently that season. Manager Peter Bosz’s attacking philosophy gave him a platform to flourish and he featured in every single game that campaign.

He took three penalties that season, posting an xG of 13.1 and a non-penalty xG of 10.9; this would indicate that he is a good finisher.

“I guess reading the game has always been one of my strengths. A certain composure on the ball and the ability to make the right choices quickly.” – Kai Havertz

Havertz started off the 2019/20 season by becoming the second-youngest player in Bundesliga history to score 25 goals with a strike against Paderborn on the opening day. He went on to register 12 goals and six assists that campaign with an xG of 9.1. Only one of these was a penalty, which meant his non-penalty xG was 8.3. Again, he outperformed his xG significantly and even upped his xA to 6.2.

Over his last three seasons, his non-penalty xG+xA per 90 numbers have been on the rise every year and he averages an expected goal involvement every other game over that period.

“If you can always be one or two steps ahead of your opponent, you can already win the game, and I think that’s just the player he is.” – Leon Bailey, Havertz’s teammate.

Comparison v other Chelsea assets

2019/20Mins/shotMins/SoTMins/KPSoT%Goals/shotGoals/SoT
Abraham25.263.5105.839.80.170.43
Mount25.652.6124.937.20.090.24
Giroud36.89956.348.70.210.42
Pulisic27.46957.540.30.150.36
Werner22.843.95344.90.180.38
Ziyech18.252.220.834.80.070.21
Havertz42.4584143.10.190.44

Unlike Ziyech, Havertz is not a volume shooter who takes a lot of speculative shots from outside the box: his minutes/shot is the lowest in the comparison.

However, a large percentage of the youngster’s efforts are on target (43%), compared to the Moroccan (34.8%). In fact, his goals per shot (0.19) is almost triple that of Ziyech’s (0.07).

What’s even more impressive is that Havertz scores with nearly half of his shots on target (44%) whereas Ziyech is closer to 20%. He even bests Werner, who has goals/shot of 0.18 and goals/shot on target of 0.38.

In terms of creativity, only Ziyech (20.8) created chances more frequently than Havertz (41) last season.

The Prospects

Havertz spent most of the 2019/20 season deployed as a no. 10, also featuring on the right flank and at centre-forward at times. Given that Ziyech’s preferred position is on the right wing and Pulisic has been effective on the left, Lampard is expected to use the German behind his compatriot Werner.

Werner is a very different striker compared to Olivier Giroud (£7.0m) and Tammy Abraham (£7.5m). As we saw briefly in the Brighton friendly, he works a lot more off the ball, similar to Roberto Firmino (£9.5m).

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (£6.0m), who was playing as a no. 10, found himself in the box very often as a result of the German’s link-up play and the 4-3-3 that Lampard prefers shaped up into a 4-2-2-2 in transition. Given Havertz’ goal-scoring instincts, the prospects are mouth-watering, to say the least.

Chelsea were second only to Manchester City for expected goals last season, so creating chances was not a problem and by adding an ice-cold finisher like Havertz to their ranks, the Blues’ goal output should go up significantly this season.

With Havertz having had zero minutes with Chelsea in pre-season due to international involvement with Germany, it is perhaps unlikely that Lampard throws him into the fray straight away against Brighton, with a cameo appearance most likely. His minutes should improve as the weeks go on and he settles in, however.

In terms of injury, he has a good overall fitness record with only the muscle tear he suffered in November 2019 causing him to miss more than 15 days out with injury. He has been unavailable for just six games over the past three seasons due to injury or illness.


Statistics taken from Opta, fbref.com and Whoscored.com

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  1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Hey guys, what reasonable moves can I make to upgrade Bowen? Thanks!

    Mccarthy (Button)
    Trent - Egan - Doherty (Vinagre + Mitchell)
    Auba - Bowen - Mané - ASM (Reed)
    Ings - Werner - Mitro

    Also, is this too template?

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Too template is good.

      1. Weak Become Heros
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        But its not anyway.

        1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Okay I gotchu, thanks man

    2. Third Eye Vision
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Keep Bowen.

  2. welshyoo
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Couple punts in here but happy enough pending transfers. Happy to risk going without werner/kane.

    Johnstone

    Taa Tierney kwp (taylor 4.0)

    Salah auba Alli pereira (4.5)

    Firmino mitro adams

    1.5 in the bank.
    One of Bruno, martial, greenwood will be coming in depending on how week one goes.

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      More than a couple of punts in there.

    2. MoSalalalalalalalalah
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Reasonable punts, maybe a bit too many. Maybe spread the Firmino cash elsewhere?

    3. kevchenko
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Good luck with Firmino .... very bold. Would have Robbo myself and the extra cash, if I was going 3x Liverpool

  3. jimmyabs1987
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    I think I know it’s B but just checking I’m not being blind....

    A) Kane & Saka
    B) Son & DCL

    1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B easily, Kane hasn't looked up to it.

    2. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Kane looks sluggish. Reassess with the game on Tue but I’d probably lean towards B.

  4. no kane no pain
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Decisions decisions.

    1} from kwp and vinagre who do I remove to go to Egan

    2) to fund above I would lose soucek and get a 4.5m mid (thinking bissouma)

    Do i stick or twist and if so which of the 2 from def?

    1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Get rid of KWP and also Soucek isn't a big loss as it seems unlikely he'll play GW1. Bissouma/Reed good shouts.

    2. Pacer.
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Egan for soucek is an absolute no brainer imo.

      It's baffling that anyone is starting with asm or soucek instead of playing with 4 at the back

      There has been almost no discussion about SHU defenders which is odd as they are remarkable value and the newly promoted teams are unlikely to be SHU type teams

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Losing Henderson will surely take a lot of the edge of their defensive output - the amount of times he saved them last season... was supernatural at times

        Think that output decrease & their price increases combine create a bad situation for them FPL-wise

        1. Pacer.
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I'm going to be monitoring that of course. It is a concern.

          He's excellent, but I'm also inclined to think SHU are a more than the sum of their parts job and that although disruption is undesirable, we could see Ramsdale settle in to do a similar job.

          Thankfully SHU cannot score goals and it looks this year again very much like their defenders will all be taken with chipping in with 4-5 goals and a few assists

        2. Fpl orynx
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I disagree with your assumptions on soucek. He will score goals this season and probably not a bad pick. If he had better fixtures he would be in everyone’s team. I wouldn’t play soucek every week but playing him in the right fixtures could equal points. What Sheffield did last year was spectacular but they were well under there shots conceded stats due to miracle saves from Henderson. Expect them to regress a little. Teams will also have had time to assess how they play

          1. Pacer.
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Fair points.

            They could regress a little and still match soucek pound for pound imo. And I marginally prefer the other defensive options at that 5m price point than the mids if either backfires

            1. no kane no pain
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Such as who?

          2. Pacer.
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Also worth noting that you're taking about rotating a 5ml mid, but who with? Who offers value at 4.5 to rotate with

            Would rather just leave a player like Egan in through think and thin if they were anything even close to last season

            1. no kane no pain
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              As a result I've ended up with a 5 3 2 lol

              I've got both Stephens and bissouma on the bench with Mitchell propping as 5th def.

              Mcc
              TAA vin doh Egan mitchell
              Auba salah son
              Werner ings

              Steer bissouma stephens davis

  5. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Does anyone know how many of Rashfords 17 goals were penalties and how many were scored while he was playing as a striker?

    1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      6 pens

      1. Drip Doctor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Wow. Pretty sure he only scored like 3 goals once he moved to the left and even one of them was a penalty Bruno let him take.

        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Ah... 6 pens in total whole season!

          1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Misunderstood your question, my bad

        2. Klaren
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          He played LW the whole season other than a few when Martial was injured.

        3. Mid budget coach
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Saw this too, he was out wide left cold especially when Shaw was injured after the restart. Williams wasnt offering him enough attacking support.

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      6 games as a forward, 2 goals.

      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Leicester & Liverpool.

      2. Drip Doctor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        15 in 27 from LW. Pretty good!

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          15 from 25. Not great from restart on though.

          1. Drip Doctor
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            No, but the reason i feared Martial post lockdown was the extra points he was getting as a mid. Potential role reversal here.

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Maybe I should have said post injury. Most here probably want to see form before getting him.

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Most of his pens he actually won himself - he wins quite a few so hopefully still clocks up assists

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Bits of context like that can make a small, but significant difference

  6. Moxon
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    ASM to be the talk of the town with some actual talent to play off

    1. Amey
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Aye

    2. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Good player, but i don't think he's FPL good.

      1. Weak Become Heros
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        This.

      2. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        5.5 though. Not that risky

        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          No, its a good price. But he won't be the talk of the town. He'll have a string of 2's and the odd game where he'll pick up 1 or 2 assists.

    3. Pacer.
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      92 points last year. Get an SHU Def with prime opening fixtures who got 40 points for, for O.5 less

      What's the justification unless he's in a 4-3-3 and can't be dropped?

  7. sandman58
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Oskar Buur (Wol) 4.0 anyone??
    With Wolves signing a new left wing back hes got a great chance

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Wolves havent signed a left wing back, he is a left sided CB. Back up at best.

      1. sandman58
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Oh yes they have
        Check sky sports news
        Vinegra starts in doubt now

        1. H.E. Pennypacker
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          BBC also reporting he's an orthodox left back and can operate as a left wing back.

      2. sandman58
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Buur only back up if they sign a new right back....Nuno loves him
        Gave him a 3 year contract this year

  8. Whiskerz
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Toying with this setup at the moment

    Ryan
    TAA . Doherty . KWP . Vinagre . Mitchell
    Auba . Ali . Soucek
    Kane . Vardy

    Button . Bissouma . Bruno . Davis

    Riskily slim gw1 bench with doubts over Vinagre and possibly Ali. But is that balanced out by a benched Utd asset and option to add another for gw2?

    Thoughts?

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Decent considering Bruno on bench.

    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      No from me. That bench is too weak.

      Downgrade Vardy.

      1. Whiskerz
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Thats the risk, but i don't want to lose Vardy

    3. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I can see the thinking behind it. Looks excellent

    4. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Why don’t you get Son or another mid with good GW1 fixture and leave 1.5m itb for Bruno in GW2 as your transfer?

      1. Third Eye Vision
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        You need FTs to hop on bandwagons in the early weeks.

      2. Whiskerz
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Its a good shout. Think I actually prefer the look of the team below with son and 1.5

    5. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      too many GW1 risks unfortunately. Remember Soucek is also a risk for GW1

    6. Whiskerz
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      New slightly less risky iteration

      Ryan
      TAA . DAVIES . KWP . Vinagre
      Auba . SON . Soucek
      Kane . Vardy . AYEW

      Button . Mitchell . Bissouma . GREENWOOD.

      Changes in CAPS. Move to 433. Keeping 1.5itb for Son to Bruno.

      1. Third Eye Vision
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Really good team that.

        1. Third Eye Vision
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Although I’d start with Werner over Kane. Got doubts about Kane, but not Werner.

  9. pmletch
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Any suggestions?

    Ryan
    Robertson, Vinagre, KWP
    Salah, Auba, Son, ASM, Saka
    Werner, Jimenez

    GW2 (-4)
    Salah > KDB
    Son > Bruno

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Wait a week on KDB.

      1. pmletch
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        can’t afford the Bruno transfer without the Salah downgrade

    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Don't like planning to get rid of Son.

      1. pmletch
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Think he’ll be better than Bruno or KDB?

        1. Camzy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          With his opening fixtures, yes. And not worth the transfer.

        2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          In terms of points per £, quite possibly. I think he’s a potential massive bargain at 9.0

          1. Fpl orynx
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            I feel like spurs will be disappointing. Mourinho is just not a manager you can trust. I expect a lot of 1-0 games from them at the start. I think people are expecting son, Kane and alli to explode with easy fixtures but it’s not the style of mourinho play

            1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Mourinho’s second season is usually a lot more successful, doesn’t necessarily mean more goals but I think they are capable

  10. Henryyy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts on my team lads?

    Ryan Nyland
    TAA KWP Vinagre Taylor Lascelles
    Son Salah Auba ASM 4.5
    Werner Adams Mitro

    1.5m itb for flex

    Cheera

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Pretty solid if all start.

      1. Henryyy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers TM

        How is your draft looking atm? Im expecting a huge comeback for you this season.

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Haven't made one yet.
          Won't be taking too many punts most likely.

          1. Henryyy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Back to basic! Would you say my team has to many punts?

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Adams is your main punt along with ASM. Defence and Ryan is whatever at this stage.

    2. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Lascelles could be decent

      ASM, Mitro and Adams is a bit too much puntage. One or two. Better to be buying them with confidence than stuck in a corner with them

      1. Henryyy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers. Who do you prefer around that price?

        1. Ser Davos
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          It's a lottery. It's one thing guessing the wrong ones. It's another when they're the wrong ones and there's no alternative

          I'd switch one of Adams/ Mitro to a 4.5 and then either keep it in the bank or spend it upgrading elsewhere. Soucek over ASM gives another .5

    3. FantasyHero
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Adam's or mitro to a 4.5
      3m left
      ASM to a 8M
      0.5itb flex

  11. zelio78
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Mitrovic or Ayew?

    1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Mitro.

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I do not like Mitrovic in my team but going with him for the fixtures.

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        haha he's the duty pick. The no escape

  12. MoSalalalalalalalalah
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Villa fans, who's the starting GK this season?

    1. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Grealish

  13. Titchmalpas
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Egan TAA Davies Mitchell 4.5(Vin or Taylor)

    Is that a fair defence? Should I worry about having a 7.5 and two 5's?

    1. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Depends on rest of team. I’m going 7.5, 5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.0

      1. Titchmalpas
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Who is ur 5 and ur 4.5's atm?

  14. n-doggg
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Anyone competing for Davies spot? Would have thought he posses greater attacking potential than Dier?

    1. Jullepuu
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Sessegnon

    2. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Agree - but have gone full hog with Doherty

    3. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Maybe Sessegnon but seems nailed-ish to me

  15. Bambi
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    A) Kane, Vinagre, Mitchell
    B) Werner, Saiss, Lascelles

    Lack of other chelsea assets makes me prefer B, plus the vinagre doubt now too

    1. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B.

    2. Kizza_10
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

  16. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Don't recall a new signing having this level of ownership pre GW1. Werner could be 9.2 come GW3.

    1. Gazans
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Werner gonna score 25+ goals this season imo

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        He could blank for the first month and still do that

        1. Gazans
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          True but I have faith he's gonna be on fire from the beginning

    2. Henryyy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah if he blanks GW1 'everyone' will ditch for Martial including myself

      1. ivantys
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Chelsea kicks off 3 days after the first game. You willing to risk waiting 3 days and have bruno's price go up a lot by then? Unless it's those who have both bruno and werner then probably yeah.

    3. Nightcrawler
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Whats the %?

      Ibra, hazard, soldado, costa were all very high

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        42

    4. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Or 9.8

      1. Nightcrawler
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Very tough when u already have a high ownership

    5. ivantys
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Keeping the faith in him, he could rise back on weeks 4-5. A bit worried though that some are using him as placeholder for martial

    6. SouthCoastSaint
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      He’ll be 8.9 when he blanks against Brighton with liverpool next ...

      1. SouthCoastSaint
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        9.4...

  17. ivantys
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    What I'm worried about vinagre isn't that he doesn't start, it's his high ownership that if he doesn't start i would be forced to transfer him out or risk losing money when ppl mass sell him.

    1. Bambi
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I've switched to Saiss. less drama, nailed, solid season-keeper. saved transfer down the road

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        That guy they’ve signed plays Saiss’s exact position for Lyon I think? Left of the 3 centrebacks...

        1. Bambi
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          ahh damn it! Back to the drawing board

        2. ivantys
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I thought saiss is on the right

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Saiss left, Coady centre, Boly Right when they play 3 centre backs

    2. Pacer.
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Just start with a 5ml defender. Easy to jump down if Vingre looks hot, much harder to find a worthwhile replacement at 4.5 if he backfires

      Do you look at your team with KwP or Lascelles instead of Vinagre in the same way? Cos that's what it'll look like if he backfires, unless you want to use a bit and rejig your team to upgrade

      1. ivantys
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I have KWP and planning on replacing him with a burnley or villa defender. I might not even use it if I going 3-4-3 all the way.

  18. Red Red Robins
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Trying to find 0.5mill. Robbo to VVD to save it?
    Or Doherty to Tierny or even Coleman?
    More i think about it, the more im not sure on Doc.

    1. Red Red Robins
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Also, Maitland Niles, man of the match against Pool, hes now staying. Ive not seem much mention of him on here

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        AMN on right WB slot could be great value actually

        1. Red Red Robins
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Agree, but he seems to rotate alot. Tierney would be my 1st choice as WB but hes going to be cb

        2. Red Red Robins
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          If Bellarin does go,which seems likely, then that would mean Tierney and AMN as WBs with not much rotation

    2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Robbo to VVD

  19. The Mighty Hippo
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    How does this look?

    McCarthy
    TAA Tierney Dier Vinagre
    Salah Auba Havertz Alli
    Werner Mitro

    Steer Bissouma Mitchell Davis

    with Salah and Alli becoming Bruno and Rashford later on.

    1. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Looks good. I think a solid 442 is very beneficial to start the season

    2. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I don’t like Alli or Mitro but you can’t have them all. Looks decent enough

  20. Ser Davos
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Looking at Robertson...

    He's a cash cow plus teams that start well invariably have a decent backline. Sometimes just a couple of clean sheets can make a massive difference amidst all the early chaos

    1. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I had this philosophy last season - but didn't come good until many weeks into the season

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        True. The signs were there, but they still racked up the goals and assists throughout that period

        1. Mince n Tatties
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          100% - but I think they will concede against Leeds and Chelsea

    2. Nightcrawler
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah im starting with robbo and TAA

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I think I'd rather bet on a Robbo as a consistent 180-200 man than a mid price lottery spot

    3. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Most were on uber cheap defence now more hopping on premiums, think it'll be even more come deadline

      Safety net plus guaranteed returns

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I thought Robbo looked great in the CS, assisted too. I appreciate your perspective with the value on VVD, which is at the forefront of my mind too

    4. FFSbet.com
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yes,went with TAA + VVD couldnt afford him.

    5. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      If you plan to have him as a cash cash I wouldn't get him. If you get him keep him for 15-20 gameweeks.

      Liverpool could not keep many clean sheets for the first 5-7 gameweeks and then you'll be wanting to sell him only for them to keep 10 clean sheets in the next 12 games. Something very similar happened last season.

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah, he's an ignore or an all in pick at this point

  21. owenread
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    thoughts everyone for GW1?

    McCarthy
    Trent AA, Doherty, Vinagre, Justin
    Auba, Salah, ASM, Soucek
    Kane, Werner

    Bench: Mitrovic, Gordon, Mitchell

    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Doesn't look affordable so its a yes from me.

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Playing Soucek over Mitro or banking on an autosub?

    3. The Mighty Hippo
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      That looks like a really good side.

      1. FFSbet.com
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Until 6M to 11.5M mids start to haul

  22. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Best 4.5mid bench fodder? Bissouma? Lemina?

    1. thepuntmaster
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Bissouma imo

    2. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Sutherns has Lemina - so you know what you got to do

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I don’t know what these means? Haha

        1. Mince n Tatties
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Yes you do- you little tease x

          1. RAFA THE GAFFA
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Genuinely don’t haha! Is it a dig at Mark? Or saying he’s a good pick because Mark has him?

    3. Hattrick Harry
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      This is easy, Harrison Reed who starts every game. Bissouma is in Potter rotation, no for me.

    4. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Reed and Bissouma for safety and those reliable 2 pointers

      Anguissa and Lemina worth keeping an eye on

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks SD

    5. SouthCoastSaint
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Romeu super nailed. Gordon for the wildcard pick

      1. Ser Davos
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Hi SCS,

        Any thoughts on Bertrand or Stephens' partner?

  23. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Also, is there any chance Havertz starts GW1?

    1. FFSbet.com
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Doubt it,better to wait GW3 to see who is more attacking and maybe Pulisic back

    2. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Hold for GW2 - he will be Hazard like points this season
      1 week missing won't hurt you

    3. Gazans
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      50/50. He's training with the squad right now and pulisic is out injured and ziyech could potentially be out with a minor injury so i wouldn't be surprised if he starts

  24. FFSbet.com
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Soucek + Pereira > ASM + Armstrong looks good and more attacking but 2 x 5.5M mids seems wrong so...

    A) Soucek + Pereira

    B) ASM + Armstrong

    1. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      C Soucek + ASM

      1. FFSbet.com
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers,could be option too

  25. Collie01
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    I'd be surprised if Wolves don't try to sign Diego Dalot. He is young, Portuguese, highly thought of who has also played winger on occasion. Seems an ideal potential replacement for Doherty.

    1. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Anyone Portuguese is fair game for Wolves. 😀

  26. Kizza_10
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Can I get people’s thoughts/advice on this team please. I know I’ve got Van de beek but I’m happy to take the punt and even bench him game week one.

    McCarthy
    Robertson Dotherty Trent Saliba
    Van De Beek Salah Aubameyang
    DCL Werner Mitrovic

    Subs:
    Nyland, Mitchell, Reed, Bissouma

    1. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A couple of players with doubtful minutes but looks balanced. Will VDB be as productive as other Utd players?

  27. Bambi
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts on Boly? With all the uncertainty surrounding the Wolves fullback position wouldn't it make sense to opt for Boly? Nailed, set piece threat, bonus point machine, no Europa etc.

    1. ivantys
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      He's a centre back and too expensive with no goal threat.

      1. Gingerman
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        He does have a bit of a goal threat

        1. ivantys
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Generally in 3-5-2 lineups, the 3 centre backs don't offer much goal threats.

  28. Forever In Our Shadow
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    What do you think guys?

    Obviously going to get UtD and Citee but will decide who closer to the time.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/J7Dz8Et

    1. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      If a 4m defender emerges in the AWB mould then this looks excellent

    2. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Mitchell and havertz going to play?

      1. Forever In Our Shadow
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Mitchell maybe for a few games. 71m reasons why Havertz will. Can’t see him warming the bench for long.

  29. Baines on Toast...
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Every post on FFS.

    Type A:
    - RMT *exact template*
    - everyone: it’s great!

    Type B:
    - minor deviation from template - a few players different, probably max 30 points difference in GW1-3 potential
    - everyone: X, Y and Z all wrong, won’t start, not nailed, don’t conform, etc

    People only post here to either get agreement for following the crowd, or to see how strong the objections are to things they want to do anyway.

    Players with 2% ownership can be template, players with 20% ownership considered ridiculous.

    All good with me. Just remember: sentiment on this forum has absolutely no historical correlation with points return.

    1. Mince n Tatties
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Raise a Toast to the Baines!

    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Agreed.

      I've seen everything called template.

      Heavy at the back, 3 huge strikers, premium mids. Bench Bruno, don't bench Bruno. I've seen Alli called template when his ownership is less than 3% and someone like Ryan or Ings being called off template when they have over 20% ownership.

      I really hate the term. Just pick who you think will score best and have the best squad overall. If that's the exact 'template' then so be it. If it's really wildly off, then screw the masses.

    3. Hattrick Harry
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      You just nailed it, absolutely bonkers the people here! Always without any thinking A or B or somebody, blaa blaa.

    4. Amey
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Not every....

    5. asquishypotato
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Type B - ‘you only have that player in because you’ve been watching the spurs doc!’

      We always get lost in our little bubbles on here don’t we?

  30. Tomas_brolin
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    I keep seeing a lot of Dier/Davies/Egan in drafts when for the same price you could have Seamus Coleman. Cheaper than he’s been in ages, Everton will improve this year, good fixtures etc ....?

    1. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A year ago he was favoured by many at 5.5 over 6m Digne

      Everton are no man's land FPL wise