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In the final match of Gameweek 11, West Ham United host Liverpool at the London Stadium.

Kick-off is at 16:30 BST.

West Ham are unchanged from the XI that beat Aston Villa 4-1 in Gameweek 10.

That means another start for budget defender Ben Johnson (£3.9m) at right-back, with Vladimir Coufal (£4.8m) again having to settle for a place on the bench.

Further forward, Jarrod Bowen (£6.3m), Said Benrahma (£6.4m) and Pablo Fornals (£6.0m) feature in David Moyes’ 4-2-3-1 formation, behind lone forward Michail Antonio (£8.2m).

As for Liverpool, Jurgen Klopp makes four changes from last weekend, with Joel Matip (£5.0m), Fabinho (£5.4m), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£5.8m) and Diogo Jota (£7.5m) replacing Ibrahima Konate (£5.1m), Naby Keita (£5.0m), Curtis Jones (£5.0m) and Roberto Firmino (£8.9m).

GAMEWEEK 11 LINE-UPS

West Ham XI: Fabianski, Johnson, Zouma, Ogbonna, Cresswell, Soucek, Rice, Bowen, Fornals, Benrahma, Antonio

Subs: Areola, Dawson, Coufal, Diop, Masuaku, Fredericks, Kral, Noble, Lanzini

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Fabinho, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Henderson, Salah, Mane, Jota

Subs: Kelleher, Konate, Thiago, Minamino, Tsimikas, Origi, Phillips, Williams, Morton

  1. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Kabak/Alisson PTSD

  2. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Wow Virgil.

  3. hustler7
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    A) Smith Rowe or B) Gallagher

    1. Kellz86
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      ESR > Gallagher

      1. Glasner Ball
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Clearly not. Better to have both anyway 🙂

    2. _Ninja_
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      B looking at fixtures

    3. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      B) Very important to Palace's style, good for bonus

    4. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      B, been VERY fortunate as an ESR owner.

    5. F4L
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      ESR keeps returning from very little opportunities, not sure how long he can keep it up

    6. hustler7
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Thanks all B it is

  4. My heart goes Salalalalah
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Virgil with a match saver!

  5. mojoindojo
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Someone earlier on was patting himself on back for not getting TAA...

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Saw someone celebrating there's be no TAA haul due to the CS loss, as that was the only threat this match 😮

      1. Mr. O'Connell
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah as a non-TAA owner I had a feeling that post was going to come back to bite.

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          That's why I only post self-jinxing posts 😛

      2. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        That was me. In my view matching Livramento and White is not a haul.

        I'm still confused at how others are happy with this performance from a £7.7M defender. Their loss

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          If the match pans out as-is, only Salah and Cancelo have more points as him in the game (James tied).

          What are you smoking? #InDenial

          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 1 month ago

            Its called value. Points per pound and he is nowhere near the top

            1. Hazz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 1 month ago

              Value is important but the premium assets are all doing gash bar Salah.

              I have him and 3.6m ITB.

              He scores points and value isn't an issue in the grand scheme right now, not really.

              1. Gubby-Allen
                • 4 Years
                4 years, 1 month ago

                That argument makes sense currently, as Ronaldo, Bruno and Lukaku are doing nothing. If they start getting the points which they should be then £ per point becomes more relevant that TAA is not currently in the Top 40 players.

                At any given time, three or four players in the overall top 10 do not have Trent, so you could do it.

                1. Hazz
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  4 years, 1 month ago

                  You should probably question the value that Lukaku/Ronaldo etc offer too, if you're asking it about Trent. His value more likely than not outscores theirs.

                  With everyone (currently) captaining Salah, the benefit of those other players dwindles.

                  If the situation changes then I agree. But that's also why I have 3.6m ITB right now if I need them...

            2. TheBiffas
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 1 month ago

              You're deluded.

              1. Zimo
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 1 month ago

                Come on. No need for that. Back up your argument instead of saying shite

                1. TheBiffas
                  • 5 Years
                  4 years, 1 month ago

                  Four upvotes say otherwise. This guy is talking shite and is clearly in the minority and won't listen to hazz's reasoning.

            3. HashAttack
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 1 month ago

              I think we need to target 25 points per million (per season) and it looks like all the 6m defenders should get 150 points. Trent is on target for 200 points - so performing better than 25 ppm

              10m players need to be hitting 250 points, 12m players need to hit 300 points - which suggests that there is only value in such players if they are made captain

        2. AC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          As with all premium players depends on what you do with the extra cash.

          However you don’t need me to tell you that similar to James, Cancelo or Chillwell he’s a couple of 15 to 20 pointers in him per season.

          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 1 month ago

            He does if Liverpool sort their defence out. If they do I will need to adjust my team.

            1. AC
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              4 years, 1 month ago

              Alongside Vvd for me it’s the protection in front if Fabinho stays fit it makes a big difference.

        3. Gubby-Allen
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          I agree. Last week I had White. Rudiger and Livramento all Clean sheet, the week before the latter two got assists too. Livrament and White again this week, Rudiger unlucky.

          The last three weeks they scored 16, 21 and 17 so not having TAA has not been any issue.

      3. RogDog_jimmy
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        That was me! Hahah.

        I’m certainly not celebrating not having TAA though. I WC’d while he was injured so made sense at the time.

        Still - no CS is better than a CS for me. Jammy free kick to be given but awesome finish.

    2. Zimo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      11 over 15. I'll still take it

  6. Paqueta Rice
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Some tackle that

  7. TomSaints
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Didn’t look like VVD got there then?

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Got where?

      1. Weak Become Heros
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        What should have been a west ham pen at the end.

  8. Random Name
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Bowen should be shooting first time

  9. F4L
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Said Fornals, what a player Jamie!

  10. Cok3y5murf
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Only dead teams still have Antonio

    1. Random Name
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      not true

    2. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      I'm not dead yet but he is on my bench

    3. F4L
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      because other striker just can't stop hauling right now 😛

    4. Jars458
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Well I was 75k and still have Antonio. You trying a reserve jinx?

    5. The Sociologist
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      There is such a thing as a bench you know.

      1. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        8m on the bench wow

    6. dshv
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Who is better than him ?

    7. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      So dead wrong

  11. Green Arrow
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Loved the TAA and Salah show. Now do Jota

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      "We don't do that here"

  12. Randaxus
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    That is why

    1. You have TAA in your team 100% of the time
    2. You play TAA for 100% of the games

    1. Gubby-Allen
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Two of the top 6 players overall do not have him.

  13. TKC07
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Pick one mid
    A) ESR
    B) Jota
    C) Raph
    D) Son

    1. Ninja Škrtel
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      c

    2. JONALDINHO
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      B for next 4/5

      1. TKC07
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        AFCON starts around the time Firmino returns..

        1. Speedu
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          Is there concrete return date for firmino?
          Thought klopp just said weeks

  14. Ninja Škrtel
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    sick of Vardy

    a. Jimenez
    b. Hwang
    c. keep

    1. Sid1891
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      D something else

      1. Ninja Škrtel
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        limited funds cause i'm bringing in Arnold as well. 7.8 to be exact

        1. TKC07
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          Wilson?

    2. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Those are bad options too, just keep or change formation to 352/451/541

    3. Pipermaru
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Jimenez od Wilson

      1. Pipermaru
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Or*

    4. Philosopher's Stones
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      2 points instead of 1 this time. Gotta cherish those little things.

    5. AD2110
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Switch to 352 and get Son?

  15. jack88
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Ben Johnson is really solid. The next livra?

    1. Eze Really?
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Coufal in the background. i bad game and a change arrives

  16. I am 42
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    cap Salah, has TAA

    who score will gain me more rank?

    1. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      TAA

    2. jack88
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Trent

    3. Eze Really?
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      taa

    4. F4L
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Trent

    5. I am 42
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      thanks both

      TAA hat trick please

      1. I am 42
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        thanks all

    6. TheTinman
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      TAA

  17. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Apart from Cancelo and James who else heavily owned has hurt my rank so much? Over tripled from 15k

    Foster
    TAA • Chilwell • Rudiger • Livra
    Salah • Jota • Raph
    Kane • Antonio • Toney
    (Sanchez, White, Sarr, Gilmour)

    1. Esalman
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Look at livefpl for clues 😉

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        It doesn’t show me

        1. Esalman
          • 16 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          Probably because of high traffic, just wait till the end of the game.

    2. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Not sure mate, team looks good, ESR and Gallagher but he's not particularly highly owned.

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Possibly

    3. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Benched White?

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, who else could I have. Antonio possible but I didn’t fancy that tbh

    4. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Cancelo was enough coupled with Ramsdale CS. Smith Rowe probably has decent ownership as well.

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah Ramsdale probs a decent shout. I got the pain of getting my keeper sent off and Newcastle not getting the chance to win 2-1 🙁 disgusting moment haha

    5. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Did you play Foster over Sanchez this week?!

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        No that’s an old copy sorry. Was putting Foster in for next week

    6. TKC07
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Cancelo, James

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah. Two I’d have got it I WC’d

  18. WVA
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Looks like I'm stuck with Ronnie and Vardy up top, how's this look though?

    Steele
    TAA Cancelo Chilwell James
    Salah Raphina Gallagher ESR
    Ronaldo Vardy
    Sanchez* Liv Siss Scar

    1. Zimo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Vardy to Jesus

      1. WVA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        For a hit?

        1. Zimo
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          Why not. It'll be fun 🙂 until it isn't 😉

  19. Esalman
    • 16 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Only 3 designated forwards scored this week- Pukki Armstrong and Vydra.

    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Great point

    2. Zimo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Whadaya mean designated?

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Forwards in FPL

        1. Zimo
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          Ahh yes

      2. My heart goes Salalalalah
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Classes as forwards on fpl

    3. Crunchie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Amazing isnt it!!

      1. Esalman
        • 16 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah. I guess British football has redefined what it means to be a forward.

    4. Fish up a tree
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Luckily I have all 3

    5. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Must the worst bucket in terms of value added per million?
      Every year I need to remind my self to go 4-5-1 or 3-5-2

    6. Hairy Potter
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Wilson would have...

  20. Chalobah's Witness
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Going on full DEF tactic this season? Currently having TAA, Rüdiger, James, Livra and Duffy. Thinking about adding Cancelo for Duffy.
    Any thoughts?

    1. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah I've been 4 at the back for a while,

      TAA Cancelo Chilwell James with Liv covering them

  21. HD7
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    I dont remember having so many poor optins in front. 5-3-2 feels so comfortable these days.

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      This

    2. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Most of my budget is stuck up top with Ronaldo Vardy, so annoying but then all the good options are cheap!

    3. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      541 even better

  22. GE
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Shift to 4-5-1 or 5-4-1?

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      4 with an able Livra just so you don't fully commit the shift in funds.

      It'll all change again soon, remember when 3 premiums were needed?...

      1. Ze_Austin
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        The template's still spinning on itself every two to three GWs. The GW12 template has already formed as people react to GWs 10 and 11 like they'll define the rest of the season, again

        I wonder what the GW14 template would look like. GW16+ *should* have Ronaldo...

    2. Zimo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      I'm on 5-3-2. Soon 4-4-2 since Livramento fixtures gonna get bad

  23. have you seen cyan
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    What are concernded Antonio owners doing?

    1. Zimo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Keeping cuz he's the only option

    2. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      I was planning to sell him earlier to get funds for premiums like Kane, Auba or CR7. But now I have a feeling, that as long as he is fit and playing this well, I'll keep him and bench if needed.

    3. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Not concerned.

      He was always going to have a quiet patch; depth is good enough to carry through to the sexy fixtures on the other side.

  24. TeddiPonza
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    How is this WC team?

    Ramsdale Steele
    TAA Cancelo James Reguilon Livramento
    Salah Jota Raphinha Foden Son
    Antonio Hwang Kane

    Would mean hybrid 5-4-1, 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 systems

    Thanks

    1. TeddiPonza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Kane is supposed to be a 4,5 m forward 🙂

    2. Fish up a tree
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Hold up Kane & Son. Have you seen Spurs play?

    3. The Ilfordian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Wouldn’t like to choose your bench each weeks but looks generally good (although I wouldn’t bother with Kane right now - if going premium I’d prefer Ronaldo)

  25. Riverside Red
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Does anyone else think that it was a blatant dive by Salah to earn the free kick for TTA's 'sensational' goal

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Streetwise Salah, been watching Kane recently.

      1. Riverside Red
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Why no VAR

        1. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          Rules.

    2. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      No

      1. Riverside Red
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        No bias here then

    3. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Only you

    4. We Go Again
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Rice stuck out his leg and impeded his movement. Clear foul

      1. Riverside Red
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Not on the replay I was watching...Salah jumped like a salmon imo

        1. We Go Again
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          From one angle it seemed like that but he definitely catches him.

          1. Riverside Red
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 1 month ago

            Haven't seen the camera angle you refer to..was it on Liverpool TV because it certainly wasn't on Sky

    5. RogDog_jimmy
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Yep.

      He has no momentum in the direction in which he dived - so no reason to fall like he did.

      But they pay them a lot - so I’m not surprised. There was contact I suppose.

  26. GENERATION X
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Vardy decided to turn to dog dodo the very second Lukakus ankle went

    1. Firminooooo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      So sad. My Vardy go blankety blank while ESR, White and Raphinha hauls.

  27. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    LMS safety score currently 43 with autosubs and live bonus

    https://www.livefpl.net/LMS

    1. My heart goes Salalalalah
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Furthest I've ever got

  28. sminkypinky
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Who are you replacing Sanchez with?

    1. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Steele.

      1. sminkypinky
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Who’s your other keeper?

        1. tangtastic
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 1 month ago

          I went with Sanchez + Steele, in case this happened in my gw4 WC

          1. sminkypinky
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 1 month ago

            Clever

    2. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Have Steele, so hopefully nobody. If I were, it would be either Guaita/McCarthy or Ramsdale though (probably between Ramsdale & Guaita in all honesty, not sure if want to doubt up on Saints defence as fixtures tougher soon.)

      1. sminkypinky
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks for your opinion!

    3. g40steve
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      Mc
      Rams
      Guita

      1. sminkypinky
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers

  29. GENERATION X
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    Kane and Son or Mbuemo and Toney? Not much in it…

    1. The Ilfordian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 1 month ago

      2 points this week

  30. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 1 month ago

    What was Kane like today?

    Considering a WC to ship him out. My frontline looks poor now. Plus I want James, Cancelo and Foden.

    Foster
    TAA • Chilwell • Rudiger • Livra
    Salah • Jota • Raph
    Kane • Antonio • Toney
    (Sanchez, White, Sarr, Gilmour)