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  1. The Knights Template
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 5 hours ago

    Allison at 5.4m looks interesting indeed!

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 5 hours ago

      I've been down the Cash route in previous seasons - it did not end well. Could this time be different?

      1. The Knights Template
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 5 hours ago

        Nope, it’s all bad news down that street.

    2. lilmessipran
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Slot at 1.5 will look better

      1. The Knights Template
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Big Ange for me, always!

        1. lilmessipran
          • 13 Years
          1 year, 4 hours ago

          Mate!

  2. The Wizard of Ozil
    • 15 Years
    1 year, 5 hours ago

    A) Lewis -> Kerkez/Codwill
    B) Lewis & Bruno -> TAA & Enzo
    C) Lewis & Bruno -> Timber & Bowen

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 5 hours ago

      A > Huijsen

  3. Friday's Press Conference Times
    Skonto Rigga
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 5 hours ago

    More lies, damned lies and non-specifics from this lot coming up today:

    9am - Hurzeler (BHA)
    9.15am - Slot (LIV)
    9.30am - Howe (NEW)
    11.30am - Postecoglou (TOT)
    12.30pm - Guardiola (MCI)
    1pm - Maresca (CHE), Iraola (BOU)
    1.15pm - O'Neil (WOL), Lopetegui (WHU)
    1.30pm - Amorim (MUN), Arteta (ARS), Frank (BRE), Glasner (CRY)
    2pm - Emery (AVL)

    Times in GMT and come from Sky Sports.

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 5 hours ago

      Best ignore them then. What can you do except make a transfer and shift your captain - only to find it was all, um, male cow excrement.

    2. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 5 hours ago

      Big Ange never lies!

      1. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 5 hours ago

        ...mate

        1. The Knights Template
          • 12 Years
          1 year, 5 hours ago

          Maaaaaate!

    3. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Why won't scout shave 15% off the staff Christmas party budget and pay for access to these press conferences? Arteta can't keep getting away with it. We need a proper journalist in the room with him.

      1. The Knights Template
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Where’s Scoop when you need him?

  4. KeanosMagic
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 hours ago

    If basing a decision just on yesterday's positioning, would you go for Amad or Bruno?
    Obviously Bruno got the assist for the second goal, but who looked better over the 90?

    1. The Final Boss
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 5 hours ago

      Amad, but you never know whether they are gonna play at the same position. That's the issue.

    2. DROP IT LIKE IT'S HART
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 3 hours ago

      The one on set pieces and penalties always. I'm a United fan and we aren't really creating much from open play.

  5. DavvaMC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 hours ago

    Gabriel owners are you keeping even if out this game week?

    As an alternative which one from the below?

    A. Timber
    B. Gomez
    C. VVD (less money to spend on other players)

    Thanks

    1. dshv
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Thinking to ship but for arnold

  6. dshv
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    I am on thoughts for one of those

    1. Watkins to Isak
    2. Gabriel to Taa

    Suggestions?

  7. Karan_G14
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Fabianski
    Gabriel Timber Dunk
    Salah Saka Palmer Mbuemo
    Isak Pedro Cunha

    (Flekken Pau Greaves Winks)
    3 FTs & 1.2m

    Mbuemo & Pau to TAA & Enzo?

    1. Jstap94
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Will you have to play Enzo? I'm sceptical about whether his form can continue

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Not forever just next 2-3 games.

        Plan is to do Cunha & Winks to Raul & Eze in a couple of weeks then I can rotate Raul/Pedro/Enzo.

  8. Stimps
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Hall or Kerkez?

    1. Jstap94
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Kerkez

    2. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 3 hours ago

      Kerkez

  9. FootballRookie
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Which combo please.

    A) Gabriel and Rogers >>>>> TAA and Johnson
    B) Gabriel and Rogers >>>>> VVD and Bowen

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      B

    2. Dutchy FPL
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      I would say B. TAA is brought in by many atm though

    3. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      B all day

    4. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 3 hours ago

      V

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 3 hours ago

        B

  10. Mother Farke
    • 1 Year
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Sels
    TAA Gabriel Timber
    Saka Palmer (C) Salah Enzo
    Cunha Evanilson Pedro

    Fabs Bowen Hall Davis

    1.3 ITB

    a) Roll transfer?
    b) Play Bowen over Enzo/Pedro?

    1. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      yes

    2. Dutchy FPL
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      A) Yes. B) Yes. Enzo / Bowen could be a coinflip and with already captaining Palmer I would spread a bit by benching Enzo. I am an Enzo owner myself (and playing him).

    3. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 3 hours ago

      A

  11. The Red Devil
    • 10 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Would you turn Mbeumo to TAA for a hit?

    1. Dutchy FPL
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Who would be the Mbeumo replaced and who is out for TAA?

      1. The Red Devil
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Mbeumo to Enzo
        Greaves to TAA

        1. Dutchy FPL
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 4 hours ago

          Nah, could wait a week (or two)

          1. The Red Devil
            • 10 Years
            1 year, 4 hours ago

            Fair enough, hopefully Gabriel starts

    2. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      no

      1. The Red Devil
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        I could buy Gomez for free, but that doesn't seem like a long term buy

    3. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Nope

  12. Dutchy FPL
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Targeting the right opponents this week. Looks good:

    EVE (H)
    LEI (H) - BRE (H) - EVE (H)
    FUL (H) - BRE (H) - EVE (H) - BRE (H)
    LEI (H) - SOU (A) - IPS (H)

    Now lets hope my players will perform for once and the captaincy choice (Salah) is the right one..

    1. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Rarely turns out that way.

    2. Tommy Template
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      I reckon Leicester and Brentford score by the way. I think I'm on a similar defence still

    3. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Can I play too?

      EVE
      FUL EVE WHU
      FUL© BRE EVE che
      BRE IPS CRY

      1. Tommy Template
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Yeah I'd fancy your defence more. There's about 4 teams cleaning in an average week and Arsenal and Liverpool are the obvious ones. I'd have Forest next because Villa have struggled post europe most weeks. And then Bournemouth but I could see just the 3 this week.

      2. Dutchy FPL
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 3 hours ago

        Looks good!

  13. Jstap94
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    What are the thoughts on Gabriel playing? I have ok bench cover and would hate to waste the transfer

    1. Jet5605
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      The truth is we just don't know. If it's a hamstring issue then it's anyone's guess. You could wait for possible leaks tomorrow but no guarantees there.

      1. The Knights Template
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Are you guys brothers?

    2. The Big Fella
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      When does his compulsory 2 week concussion break end?

  14. Jet5605
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Best use of my FT over the next 3 GWs before I play my first WC

    A - Henderson > Raya
    B - Henderson > Allison
    C - Gvardiol > Trent (and bench Konsa)

    Henderson
    Timber - RAN - Konsa
    Salah - Palmer - Saka - Semenyo
    Cunha - Jackson - Pedro

    Valdi - Gvardiol - Winks - Mosquero

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      C but I love B

    2. The Big Fella
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      A or B

  15. The Big Fella
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Was set on bringing in Bruno for ESR. This week on paper is a tough match against city but they’ve been shite for weeks and even before they turned shite they couldn’t defend. However, United always make me think twice. Alternatively could save my transfer. I have no other issues (except who to captain) and I still have my wildcard. Any advice?

    1. Jstap94
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      What's your alternative against ESR or are you going to play him? Fulham have a good turn of fixtures coming up

      1. The Big Fella
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 2 hours ago

        I am playing Rogers this week so midfield of Salah, Saka, Palmer and Rogers with Jackson, Cunha and Wissa up front. If I sold ESR and brought in Bruno, I could play 5 midfielders with Bruno and Rogers and bench Wissa, as Brentford are away and we all know what that means. ESR does have some good fixtures coming up but he is also getting hooked at 50-60 minutes every week, which kind of negates the fixture run as he has to be on the pitch to get attacking returns.

        1. Jstap94
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 2 hours ago

          Sorry yes I hadn't twigged that this was happening, and also that his XI was so poor the last few weeks. Serves me right recommending something without actually looking at latest stats. I don't hate the Bruno move but inherently don't trust United at all. If you have 2FT you could go Cunha -> Isak and ESR to Amad?

  16. dansmith1985
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    G2G?

    Flekken
    Gabriel RAN Kerkez
    Salah Palmer Mbeumo Saka
    Wood Cunha Isak

    Fabianski Rogers Hall Greaves

    1. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Yep G2G - maybe Mbeumo -> Bowen if you FTs kicking around

    2. mcsteely
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Looks good. I'd probably play Fabianski over Flekken as Chelsea bound to score at least 2 v Brentford

  17. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Whatcha reckon? Will WC for GW19, so only 3 weeks to consider:

    A) Save FT
    Mbeumo (che, NFO, bha) ->
    B) Bowen (bou, BHA, sot)
    C) Odegaard (EVE, cpl, IPS)

    Fabs
    Gabriel, Porro, RAN
    Salah, Saka, Palmer, Rogers, Mbeumo*
    Isak, Pedro

    Hendo, Digne, Johnson, Jebbison
    Bank 1.3m, 1FT, all chips

    1. Jstap94
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Not tempted to start Hall over RAN?

      1. Yozzer
        • 8 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Both 1 pointers. Doubt it matters . May as well go for the most attacking and hope

    2. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Think you could save and see next week. B, many, but not C

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        *maby

    3. Tonyawesome69
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      A

  18. RamaJama
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Selling one of RAN/Lewis/Maz for LIV or ARS def.

    But also want Isak and/or upgrade Semenyo next GW, so must be tactical with the price for a new def this week.

    Which def would you recommend to get this week?
    Or save and play Maz?

    Raya
    RAN, Maz, Kerkez,
    Salah, Saka, Palmer, Semenyo
    Pedro, Cunha, Jackson

    Fab, Rogers, Robinson, Lewis

    1 FT, 4.1 in the bank

    1. mcsteely
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Lewis to Timber if you can afford?

      How much do you have spare after you've done Cunha to Isak?

      I'm thinking similar below but for this week.

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Lewis to Timber would allow me to upgrade any of the forwards to Isak next week.

        Doing Timber this week and Cunha next week would leave me with 1.2 mill to upgrade mid or def the following week

    2. Boss Hogg
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      I'd be tempted to go with another bargain option at the back. Trent is the obvious pick, but uses up your budget and limits you elsewhere. What about Colwill?

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Agree, Trent is the one who blocks all my future transfer thoughts. VVD and ARS def could do, then.
        Colwill a good option, but would like more ars or Pool and not sure of Chelsea’s cs potential

  19. mcsteely
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    I've got 3TF and need to make some moves. Which of these sounds best, or am I missing something

    Option 1
    Digne --> Timber
    Cunha --> Isak
    Bruno --> Semenyo / Kluivert / ESR / Iwobi

    Option 2
    Digne --> Gomez
    Cunha --> Isak
    Bruno --> Gordon

    Option 3
    Digne --> Timber
    Bruno --> Gordon
    Keep Cunha

  20. RamaJama
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Wouldn’t sell Bruno for any of the options mentioned.

    Would just get Timber and/or Isak

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Reply failed to MCSTEELY

    2. mcsteely
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Thanks, assume this is to my question above. Need to free up 2.4 to afford Timber and Isak. Who else could be downgraded out of these
      Gabriel, RAN, Robinson, Rogers, Jackson, Bruno

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        I see, many Bruno then, how many other ARS do you have?

        1. mcsteely
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          1 year, 3 hours ago

          Already got Gabriel and Saka

  21. basilfawlty
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Gm, Best option here?

    1. Lewis, Mbeumo > VVD, Semenyo (free)
    2. Lewis > Gomez
    3. Save
    4. Something else?

    Raya Fabianski
    Timber Hall Pau Lewis Greaves
    Salah Palmer Saka Rogers Mbeumo
    Jackson Cunha Pedro

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      2 as I’m considering selling Semenyo myself, see above

    2. Tonyawesome69
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      3

    3. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Team is identical with the exception of all your defenders. Agree you need a Liverpool defender, Virgil is the safest option but taking two transfers to get him isn't worth it.

      1. basilfawlty
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Yes, slim pickings for a midfielder under 6.8.

        Liverpool defender is what I want, Gomez is very short term I guess.

  22. aapoman
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    2ft and 0.4itb. Any obvious issues? Should I just roll?

    Fabianski
    Saliba Gabriel* Porro
    Salah Saka Palmer Mbeumo Rogers
    Cunha JP

    Flekken; Raul, Greaves, Mykolenko

    1. Tonyawesome69
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Upgrade Greaves or roll if happy with Mykolenko auto sub

    2. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Roll ok, or upgrade a def in case Gabriel is out? Strong bench will become handy soon in the festive season

      1. aapoman
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Likely doing Greaves -> Huijsien if Gabriel is confirmed/leaked not to start.

        1. RamaJama
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          1 year, 4 hours ago

          Sounds great

  23. Yozzer
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Sell Ait Nouri or Digne for Trent?

    Digne has rightfully trolled me but I took a silly risk so deserved it but his games are better in the long term. I wouldn't play either this week unless Gabby is out

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      RAN if not playing him this week

      1. Yozzer
        • 8 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        Thanks mate. Was thinking that . I'm buying into being trolled for longer . Although if he root him on my bench what harm can he do? Yeah it's Digne he will find a way

  24. Jet5605
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Which defence will do best over the next three GWs?

    A - Arsenal (EVE, cry, IPS)
    B - Liverpool (FUL, tot, LEI)

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      A

    2. Boss Hogg
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Arsenal.
      I'd not be surprised by cleanies in all the home games. Spurs will score though.

    3. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      I like both so base decisions on price and nailedness.

    4. Tommy Template
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      On paper you'd say Arsenal but it cpuld depend on which Spurs show up for Liverpool. Just isolating the homes I'd rather play Eve and Ips than Ful and Lei

    5. David Parkinson
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Given we tend to compare players, this is a rather blunt way of looking at things.

      1. Tommy Template
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        It is but without knowing the player in question its hard to assess anything beyond CS potential which regardless of the way football is currently is still as likely as an attacking return from a defender for these two teams. And for all we know this could be Raya vs Allison

      2. Jet5605
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 2 hours ago

        I'm contemplating doubling up on either ARS or LIV and so I think it's a fair way to assess the risk.

  25. Wheyyyy
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    I have a dilemma with my defenders.. Have enough money to upgrade either of the below to TAA.

    A) Gvardiol
    B) Davis
    C) RAN
    D) Milenkovic

    Upgrading Gvardiol gives me way more cash in the bank to upgrade others. leaving towards him, but he'll be nice to have with the upcoming fixtures IF man city pull themselves together. Thoughts?

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Would keep Gvardiol, so B or C

    2. Tommy Template
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      I think its a big if regarding City. Is Gvardiol potentially at CB as well if they have all those injuries? That doesnt feel great when the chance of a CS for them is very low most weeks

  26. theshazly
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Raya ( Fab )
    Lewis* Virgil RAN ( Faes / VDB )
    Salah (c) Saka Palmer Rogers ( Mbeumo )
    Jackson JP Delap

    1FT - 1.8 ITB

    What to do ?

    1 ) Faes to Pedro Porro
    2 ) Faes to Kerkez
    3 ) Something else ?

    Who to bench ?

    1 ) Rogers
    2 ) Mbeumo

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      2 and 1

  27. Dannyb
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Gabriel to
    A Trent
    B Saliba

    1. RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      A

  28. Boss Hogg
    • 16 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Fab
    RAN, Hall, Gabriel
    Saka, Palmer, Salah, Semenyo
    Wood, Joao Pedro, Cunha
    (Flekken, Rogers, Greaves, Mazraoui)
    (5.8m itb)

    Best FT this week?

    a. Upgrade forwards - e.g. Isak for Wood?
    b. Upgrade keeper - e.g. Allison/Raya for Flekken
    c. Upgrade defence - e.g. TAA for Greaves
    d. Save

    ???

    1. David Parkinson
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      B or C (for Liverpool) forwards are fine.

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        This

  29. Tshelby
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Would you do Rico Lewis and Gabriel to TAA and Timber for -4?

    1. Boss Hogg
      • 16 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Who plays if you don't make the move?
      I reckon TAA and Timber gets you 6+6-4 minimum. So 8 points vs Rico and your first defensive sub?
      It's a really tempting move.

      1. Tshelby
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 4 hours ago

        One of them definitely needs to go, as my other defenders are RAN, Faes, and Robinson.

        1. Boss Hogg
          • 16 Years
          1 year, 4 hours ago

          RAN v Ipswich is fine this week. But the other two...
          Tricky call. Watch for Gabriel news I guess. Maybe just upgrade Lewis?

          1. Tshelby
            • 11 Years
            1 year, 4 hours ago

            Would you go double Arsenal? Rico to Timber or maybe to VvD?

            1. Boss Hogg
              • 16 Years
              1 year, 4 hours ago

              Tough call. Normally I'd say spread it around, but Arsenal's set pieces are such a threat.

              1. Tshelby
                • 11 Years
                1 year, 3 hours ago

                Thanks for the insights Hogg! I'm going to wait on the news of Gabriel.

    2. David Parkinson
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      This could backfire massively if Gabriel returns, edgy but promising.

    3. SouthCoastSaint
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 4 hours ago

      Only if you don’t have cover for gabriel

  30. SouthCoastSaint
    • 14 Years
    1 year, 4 hours ago

    Been sat on muric and flekken since wildcard in 6 ( yes appalling I know)

    Every week I have a fire to put out and never get rid

    This the week to do it and Allison set and forget ?

    1. Sky Blue Sun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 3 hours ago

      Yes he’s a route into the solid Pool defence, whilst your current keepers continue to leak goals. I have Flekken too and want rid

    2. FPL Blow-In
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 3 hours ago

      I’m in the exact same boat. I can bring in Trent for free but likely going with Alison to get away from this dreaded Flekken/Vald combo