Scout Notes

Haaland, Darwin, Salah: How the big FPL names fared in the Community Shield

Millions of pounds worth of Fantasy Premier League (FPL) talent met at the King Power Stadium on Saturday – but how did the key Fantasy targets of Liverpool and Manchester City get on?

Our latest Scout Notes article rounds up the key FPL talking points plus the goals, assists and line-up information from the Community Shield.

FPL pre-season lessons:

LIVERPOOL 3-1 MANCHESTER CITY

  • Goals: Alexander-Arnold, Salah pen, Darwin | Alvarez
  • Assists: Salah, Darwin, Robertson

Match highlights

ERLING HAALAND

The sight of Erling Haaland (£11.5m) slamming a six-yard effort against the crossbar in second-half injury time was soon accompanied by the inevitable FPL mini-exodus.

Haaland’s ownership had dropped by 3% in the four hours after full-time, although that still leaves him in more than one in two Fantasy squads.

“He is strong. He missed it and another time he will put it in the net. It happened – it’s football. He had another goal disallowed because the ball was out of the line. He has this talent and he will do it. I am not concerned or worried about that.

“I would be happy if he scored and we win but we have a long season ahead of us. It is so intense. He is going to help us, I am pretty sure about that.” – Pep Guardiola on Erling Haaland’s late miss

Wasteful finishing and the blank aside, the signs were actually quietly encouraging – despite what you may have read elsewhere.

Haaland’s three shots were all high-percentage chances totaling 1.59 expected goals (xG), and this was against one of the Premier League’s best defences. He even found the net with one smartly taken finish, only for play to be stopped due to the ball being out of play.

Then there were the numerous unrewarded bending runs behind the last line – a la Jamie Vardy (£9.5m) – that demanded through-balls played to him, the type of ‘eye test’ observation that isn’t captured by the Opta data-bods.

As much as anything, it looked like City need to adapt to him rather than vice-versa; the usually dead-eyed Kevin De Bruyne (£12.0m), strangely, was guilty of not picking him out on a couple of occasions.

It may not come as soon as Gameweek 1 (match fitness seems to be an issue, for starters), so you can understand the temporary loss of faith, but a hatful of goals in 2022/23 looks inevitable.

“Love watching him live. It’s brilliant watching him. His movement is outstanding and it is only a matter of time, especially when City get that sharpness back, going forward. There’s goals to come. His movement is unbelievable.” – Roy Keane

DARWIN NUNEZ

The Liverpool starting line-up for the Community Shield was fairly easy to predict, with Roberto Firmino (£8.0m) starting through the middle as he so often does in matches of this magnitude, but Darwin Nunez‘s (£9.0m) chances of leading the line for Liverpool in Gameweek 1 now look a bit better.

His four-goal substitute appearance against RB Leipzig was followed by another match-turning cameo here, with the Uruguayan winning a late penalty that Mohamed Salah (£13.0m) converted before wrapping up the victory with a close-range header.

Darwin had more shots than any other Liverpool player on show despite playing just half an hour, with the Uruguayan thwarted in another one-on-one situation by Ederson (£5.5m).

Although they are different players, there are FPL parallels here with the Diogo Jota (£9.0m) of last season: a worry over minutes and rotation but underlying ‘per 90’ stats that threaten to be almost as good as Salah’s.

Klopp may still opt to ease Darwin into the fray even against a defence as suspect as Fulham’s, with his quotes below about “impact”, being “patient” and getting “better with time” placing doubt over a start, but he immediately looks more of a natural fit with Liverpool than his fellow man-bun modeler does at City.

“It was good, it was really good. It is clear it will get better with time. We live in a world where everybody gets judged on first sight and that’s not helpful for nobody, but it happens constantly. We were today – both teams – not at 100 per cent of their physical, usual situation, if you want. But in the first few games [of pre-season] we were not even close to the fitness level of today.

“When he came on, we passed each ball for him to chase it and after the third ball he was completely killed and then everybody judged his first touches and these kind of things. It’s just a joke, but we have to live with that, he will deal with it brilliantly, we are patient, and we know he can do good stuff. I liked his impact today; I liked the impact.” – Jurgen Klopp on Darwin Nunez

SALAH AND THE REST

Salah interestingly took Liverpool’s spot-kick despite James Milner (£4.5m) being on the pitch; it appears to have been Milner who had the final say in the past, suggesting the veteran is now increasingly happy to hand over penalty-taking duties to the Egyptian even when both are on the field of play.

The lively Salah ‘assisted the assister’ for both his penalty and Liverpool’s third goal, also setting up the equally impressive Trent Alexander-Arnold‘s (£7.5m) deflected deadlock-breaker.

Luis Diaz (£8.0m) was quieter, as he has been throughout pre-season, so it still may be a little premature to mention him in the same breath as Andrew Robertson (£7.0m) in discussions around the third Liverpool spot in our FPL sides, particularly when the cheaper Scot is so prominent in the opposition area – here the left-back not only assisted Darwin’s strike but also nodded a glorious chance of his own wide from close range.

As for City, Phil Foden (£8.0m) got his first minutes of pre-season as a second-half substitute after missing the tour of the US. Foden’s lack of action has meant that Riyad Mahrez (£8.0m) and Jack Grealish (£7.0m) have had a chance to lay down a marker for one of the Gameweek 1 wide roles but they both flunked their auditions at the King Power and were hooked before the hour mark, with replacements Foden and rookie Julian Alvarez (£6.5m) going on to be involved in the City equaliser.

Joao Cancelo (£7.0m) meanwhile was stationed at left-back, where the consensus seems to be that he appears less effective, although let’s not forget that the bulk of his 11 FPL assists last season came from that very position.

Liverpool XI (4-3-3): Adrian, Alexander-Arnold (Milner 74′), Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Fabinho, Henderson (Elliott 74′), Thiago (Keita 84′), Diaz (Carvalho 89′), Salah (Jones 90′), Firmino (Nunez 59′).

Manchester City XI (4-3-3): Ederson, Walker, Dias, Ake, Cancelo, Rodrigo, De Bruyne (Gundogan 73′), Bernardo, Mahrez (Foden 58′), Grealish (Alvarez 58′), Haaland

PRE-SEASON MINUTES TRACKER

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  1. Gizzachance
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Bailey on scoresheet again, worth a punt over Neto for first couple of fixtures? Or Neto for the better fixtures?

    1. Atimis
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      First 3 good for AV as well

      1. Gizzachance
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        My thoughts to, cheers

    2. Reckoner.
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I don't think you can go wrong with either, that's not to say get both! Depends on what you can do with the extra 0.5m, I don't see much between them so pick whoever's fixtures you like better if money not an issue.

      1. AIRMILES
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Agree with this. However, if Neto does well, and you don't own him, it'll hurt. If Bailey does well, and you don't own him, it won't hurt as much.

      2. Gizzachance
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Neto an 4.5 def, or Bailey an 5.0 defender?

        1. Skipper1508
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Neto and 4.5. there's plenty of good 4.5 defenders with nice fixtures and that will be easily swappable.

          Neto won a pen for Wolves Friday(?) and has insane attacking output. If bailey flunks in GW1 and 2, he may be dropped and then you have a dilemma.

    3. nonaynever
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I have both and it is basically one of Neto, Bailly, Neco & Andreas plays, is no one is injured (two of them if there is a short term injury/benching)

      1. nonaynever
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        GW 1 looks like Bailly

        1. Gizzachance
          • 10 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Could keep the 0.5 itb for any price rises
          Like most I have neco and Andreas on bench,

  2. Atimis
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    For 532?

    A) Mendy, Zin, Perisic, Bailey
    B) Ramsdale, Walker, Perisic, Bailey
    C) Raya, Zin, Walker, Martinelli

    X
    TAA/Cancelo/Robo/X/X
    Salah/(Saka or City mid)/X
    Kane/Jesus

    1. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

  3. Magic Zico
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Which one would you downgrade to 5.0 to beef up midfield?
    A. TAA
    B. Robbo
    C. Cancelo
    D. James

    1. Fletch69
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      D

    2. Atimis
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      D no doubt

    3. Wings Fan
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      D

    4. Skipper1508
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      So hard to choose but think it's Robbo.

  4. Delusions of Mediocrity
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Any thoughts on the following would be great please Just at the fine tuning stage:

    A) Sanchez, Steele, Neto
    B) Sanchez, Raya, Bailey
    C) Sanchez, Steele, Bailey + 0.5 ITB
    D) Mendy, Steele, Bailey

    Thanks in advance

    1. WhilePaquetàGentlyWe…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      C

  5. Nate(U)dog(ie)
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone taking a chance on Saliba? I have a 5m spot in defence but I'm quite unsure on what to do with it. Was thinking Gabriel/Zinchenko or Doherty but I'm consistently seeing reports praising Saliba from every game he's played in preseason and it doesn't seem like he looks like being dislodged

    1. adstomko
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Possibly yes. Just think Neco at 4m is also a bargain

    2. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Yep. Was keen on Tomi as my 1st sub til fitness issues - still think a 4.5 Arsenal defender is a great fit there. But I must admit I'm just following the herd in going with him over White as I dont have any particular info on who will be favoured long term

    3. Skipper1508
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I still don't think Tomiyasu is 100% fit, White has been playing RB hasn't he? So think Saliba is fine for 4.5 and if he doesn't start, you can swap him easily as plenty of 4.5 options

      1. thewakka
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        White has played CB/RB last season

        1. Skipper1508
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Sorry, meant to add 'in preseason'.

      2. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        If he doesn't start, you won't get points (or you'll get cameo points), and then you probably have other priorities, so you might pick up more 0-1 pters, and then you have to use a FT on it instead of something else or saving it. When 4.5 defs aren't expected to be bringing home even 1/12 of your points, why not just pick a safer option and spend your FTs elsewhere?

  6. George Agdgdgwngo
    • 15 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Better option here?

    A. Trippier & Bailey

    B. Botman & Martinelli

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

    2. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

  7. adstomko
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Thought on this one-ium draft?

    Meslier
    Trent, Robertson, Cancelo, Perišić
    Salah (C), Mount, Kulusevski, Maddison, Bailey
    Jesus
    (Klaesson, Johnson, N.Williams, Archer)

    1. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Maybe risk Perisic>Doherty to upgrade the keeper. I think Odegaard or Martinelli too hard not to have either.

    2. George Agdgdgwngo
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I like it a lot and am certainly considering it myself. Just like the flexibility Kane gives if him or haaland explode

      1. Haa-lala-land
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Moneys not received yet George. Please resend.

  8. Lallana_
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Good to go? Potentially Trippier>Doherty GW3.

    Ramsdale
    Trent - Robertson - Cancelo - Trippier
    Salah (C) - Mount - Martinelli - Bailey
    Kane - Jesus

    Bench: Steele - N.Williams - Andreas - Archer

    1. Eze Really?
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Good template side.

    2. Eze Really?
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Trippier to Doherty?

    3. Eze Really?
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Never read top line sorry. Exact same as my team.

    4. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Good to go ... difference to mine:

      Mount Trippier > Maddison Cash/Walker

    5. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Same as me apart from Dalot & Neto over Tripp & Bailey

  9. TheBiffas
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    a) Perisic + Pope
    b) James + Meslier

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

      1. Lallana_
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        A

    2. Bartowski
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      c) Alonso + Pope

      1. TheBiffas
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Not you and alonso 😆

        1. Bartowski
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Everyone is gonna be calling him Goalonso a week from now.

  10. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    A Robertson and Martinelli
    Or
    B Zinchenko and Diaz

    (Have Salah)

    1. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

  11. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Final three spots;

    A. Cash, Mount, Saka
    B. Justin, Bailey, Haaland

    1. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

      1. Lallana_
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        B only if you plan on captaining Haaland. If not, A.

    2. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

    3. TheBiffas
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

  12. Athletic Nasherbo
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Alisson
    Gabriel Trippier Dalot Ait-Nouri
    Salah Son Bailey
    Kane Darwin Jesus

    Olsen Andreas Neco Ebiowei

    Son/Kane > KdB/Haaland GW2.

    1. Eze Really?
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Plan a -4 GW2? Nah!
      Alisson taking up a Pool spot? Nah!
      Absolutely no cover in defense for TAA Cancelo RJames Spurs? Nah!

      1. Athletic Nasherbo
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        The -4 will be for a captain, however. Not expecting people to like it.

        Alisson at 5.5 an issue? Crazy if you think so!

        No cover in defence? Alisson is a pool player, Chelsea look naff, and the spurs wing backs I cannot predict? For city, yes I’d want a player but I might pass on a LB Cancelo whilst Ake is playing.

        1. Eze Really?
          • 10 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          As always; my comments are narratives, as most comments are on here. Fair do's about my exclamation marks though. Alisson a major issue? Yes. It limits you with other picks that's all.
          If you made one alternative to the big EO's fine; but not so many methinks.
          Your side though. Good luck.

    2. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Looks good. Personally would start have one of KDB / Haaland from W1.

      1. Athletic Nasherbo
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah I am tempted. Can’t look past Son + Kane first game. I think they score big, whilst West Ham will grind out a result.

  13. Piggs Boson
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Thiago has been phenominal in every game for months now. One of the best players in the world right now imo.

    1. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I agree. Never talked about enough, even at Bayern.

    2. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Remember the stick he got for the majority of his first season? Everyone saying he was finished and a waste. I do think Liverpool miss Wijnaldum's defensive capabilities but Thiago is an exceptional player

  14. XX SMICER XX
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Thoughts on this team please

    Ramsdale
    TAA Dalot Cancelo Robertson
    Salah Neto Mount Martinelli
    Jesus Kane

  15. Junks
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Help please...

    Who are Leicesters most likely starting fullbacks? Ta.

    1. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Justin Castagne

    2. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I guess Justin & Ricardo Pereira, based on preseason lineups. Don't think anyone is totally certain though

    3. Old Man
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Justin can play left and right. Castagne can play left and right. Pereira plays on the right and Thomas on the left. None of them are 100% nailed but my preference would be Justin/Castagne. Vague rumours of Castagne transfer though.

    4. Junks
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Thanks all. I guess Justin seems most nailed.

  16. g40steve
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Too different?

    Mendy,
    Trent, Robbo, Walker, Saliba
    Salah, Son, Bowen, Martinelli
    Jesus, BJ

    4, Bailey, Neco, Taylor

    1. Tomerick
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      It’s the kind of team that could do really well.

      1. g40steve
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Cheers, but probably too far from template?

    2. Killitzer
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Near identical to mine except I have Kane and not Son

      1. Killitzer
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        And Mount instead of Bowen

  17. Tomerick
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    A) Cancelo and Diaz
    B) Robbo and Mahrez

    Have Trent

    1. JuulKrapuul
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Would chose Saka over Diaz & Mahrez, but to answer your question: would go for A (mniutes Diaz > minutes Mahrez)

      1. Khark
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        A

    2. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B have you got Saka/Martinelli?

      1. g40steve
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Mahrez points per game very high last season

        1. thewakka
          • 4 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          But now he is going to waste his penalties and possession with crosses to Haaland

    3. Herger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

  18. Khark
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    A) Ruben Dias & Sancho
    B) Robertson & Rashford

    Really can't decide. Dias would be a place holder at 6m for when either James/Chilwell or maybe even Perisic become an option. Where as if i have Robertson then I'm not really going to be wanting to take him out. Already have Trent and Cancelo.

    Thoughts gents?

    1. AIRMILES
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I'm keeping my 3rd Liverpool spot free, so I can bring in one of Robbo, Diaz or Darwin in a few weeks. So I'd agree with A.

      1. Khark
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Good thinking!

    2. McGazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I like the placeholder idea. I’m pretty sure I’ll want perisic or Chilwell from GW3 once their fitness and starting places are better understood. Reckon Dias is a decent temporary option - makes me go straight on Haaland so that I’m not keeping a transfer ready for Kane to Haaland

  19. Piggs Boson
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    I expected Haaland to drop deep in the build up, but he was living on the shoulder of the CBs.

    I never thought I'd see Pep relinquish midfield control like that. Maybe the Madrid game got to him.

    1. fantasyfog
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      It may take a while to settle in, and for city to adjust their play

  20. Fletch69
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    1. Ramsdale + Dalot & Ait-Nouri rotating depending on fixtures

    2. Ederson + White + Neco on bench

    1. Killitzer
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I am going B but with with Saliba instead of White

      1. Fletch69
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Interesting, Salina a better bet than White?

  21. Pancake
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Sa
    Trent jonny trippier white patterson
    Salah Sancho almiron Neto
    Nunez Jesus Kane

    1.5 itb

    1. Killitzer
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Nice front 3 though maybe mf looking a little light?

  22. Killitzer
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Is anyone going with Matip instead of TAA/Robertson? He outperformed both of them towards the end of the season.

    1. DaftPunk
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A good option if you want to generate the extra 1.0 (for Robertson) or 1.5 (for TAA). The main risk with Matip is whether Klopp will rotate him with Konate. Last season Konate played more in the Champions League while Matip had more of the league games, so it'll be interesting to find out whether Klopp has a similar plan for this season.

  23. DaftPunk
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Conscious of the high VfM of defenders over the last few seasons. I also think we'll see a huge improvement in output from attackers this season. For now I've gone with:

    Alisson
    TAA Robertson James Zinchenko (Williams)
    Mount Saka Bailey (Andreas, Murphy)
    Kane Haaland Jesus

    A crazy decision it may seem to leave out Salah, but a compromise had to be made somewhere.

    1. HollywoodXI
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      No Salah will hurt you over the first six weeks

      1. DaftPunk
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah agreed, just trying to figure out who to take out to free up the funds. Would need to take out either Kane or Haaland, but would also need to replace Mount and/or Saka with a cheaper alternative.

  24. Scheister
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    A) Robbo + Rashford
    B) Trippier + Diaz

    1. Ohyeayea
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B for me. Not sure of Rashford’s starting chances in the medium term.

      Question back at ya:
      A) Nunez + Walker
      B) Grealish + Robbo?

      1. Scheister
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        I personally prefer B, but with Mahrez. Or maybe even Diaz.
        Jackie Boy hasn’t had the same level o fantasy output.
        A) is prob a solid option too, just not sold on Nunez yet, and Walker inconsistent. Just my opinion.

  25. BS03
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    which is better:
    A) meslier, gabriel, trippier, mount
    B) ramsdale, james, perisic, martinelli