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How does Kai Havertz compare with Chelsea’s other FPL attacking assets?

Chelsea have continued their spending spree this summer with the acquisition of one of the most coveted young talents in Europe, Kai Havertz.

The attacking midfielder has signed a five-year deal with the Blues, following in the footsteps of Timo Werner (£9.5m) in moving to west London from the Bundesliga.

Arguably the club’s biggest statement since the signing of Eden Hazard from Lille, the German has been priced up at £8.5m – in a similar bracket to Christian Pulisic (£8.5m) and Hakim Ziyech (£8.0m) – by Fantasy Premier League and has the potential to be a real bargain.

Anyone who dabbled in Fantasy Bundesliga this summer would have been excited by what they saw – including some ‘out of position’ run-outs up front – so we’ll assess his FPL credentials in the article below.

The History and Statistics

YearAppMinsGoalsAssistsShots/gameKey passes/game
2016/17241451451.30.8
2017/18302141381.21.1
2018/193429011732.61
2019/203024621262.22
Average29.52238.89.05.51.81.2

Born in Aachen, Germany in June 1999, Havertz started out in amateur football at just four years of age for Alemannia Mariadorf where his grandfather, Richard, was club chairman. His father was a policeman and mother a lawyer so discipline was something that was impressed upon him at a young age.

It was his grandfather who encouraged him in his younger days, spending time with the youngster knocking down gnomes in the garden with his left foot. Richard’s passing when Havertz was just 10 led the German to join his first professional club, Alemannia Aachen.

He only spent a year with his hometown club, with a hat-trick against Bayer Leverkusen in an 8-3 loss impressing them enough to make them sign the youngster. He was highly sought after by clubs across the country, including Borussia Monchengladbach and Koln, but Leverkusen pulled out all the stops to sign the exciting prospect.

He notched seven goals and two assists over 23 appearances in his first season in the U17-Bundesliga West but the next season was where he really shone.

After scoring 18 goals, he was awarded the silver Fritz Walter Medal in the 2015/16 season after being named the second-best German under-17s player; two years later he won the gold in the under-19s category.

In October 2016, at 17 years and 126 days of age, he became the youngest debutant in Bayer Leverkusen’s history and later became their youngest scorer with a strike against Wolfsburg in April. 

He went on to become the youngest ever player in the Bundesliga to register 50 appearances. Coincidentally, the previous holder of that record was his new Chelsea teammate, Timo Werner. Havertz was also the youngest ever captain of Leverkusen.

After seven goals and 13 assists in his first two seasons, 2018/19 saw him become a household name in Germany with 17 goals from midfield, becoming the first teenager to hit that total in a Bundesliga season.

Nine of Havertz’s 17 goals gave Leverkusen a 1-0 lead and no player in the Bundesliga opened the scoring more frequently that season. Manager Peter Bosz’s attacking philosophy gave him a platform to flourish and he featured in every single game that campaign.

He took three penalties that season, posting an xG of 13.1 and a non-penalty xG of 10.9; this would indicate that he is a good finisher.

“I guess reading the game has always been one of my strengths. A certain composure on the ball and the ability to make the right choices quickly.” – Kai Havertz

Havertz started off the 2019/20 season by becoming the second-youngest player in Bundesliga history to score 25 goals with a strike against Paderborn on the opening day. He went on to register 12 goals and six assists that campaign with an xG of 9.1. Only one of these was a penalty, which meant his non-penalty xG was 8.3. Again, he outperformed his xG significantly and even upped his xA to 6.2.

Over his last three seasons, his non-penalty xG+xA per 90 numbers have been on the rise every year and he averages an expected goal involvement every other game over that period.

“If you can always be one or two steps ahead of your opponent, you can already win the game, and I think that’s just the player he is.” – Leon Bailey, Havertz’s teammate.

Comparison v other Chelsea assets

2019/20Mins/shotMins/SoTMins/KPSoT%Goals/shotGoals/SoT
Abraham25.263.5105.839.80.170.43
Mount25.652.6124.937.20.090.24
Giroud36.89956.348.70.210.42
Pulisic27.46957.540.30.150.36
Werner22.843.95344.90.180.38
Ziyech18.252.220.834.80.070.21
Havertz42.4584143.10.190.44

Unlike Ziyech, Havertz is not a volume shooter who takes a lot of speculative shots from outside the box: his minutes/shot is the lowest in the comparison.

However, a large percentage of the youngster’s efforts are on target (43%), compared to the Moroccan (34.8%). In fact, his goals per shot (0.19) is almost triple that of Ziyech’s (0.07).

What’s even more impressive is that Havertz scores with nearly half of his shots on target (44%) whereas Ziyech is closer to 20%. He even bests Werner, who has goals/shot of 0.18 and goals/shot on target of 0.38.

In terms of creativity, only Ziyech (20.8) created chances more frequently than Havertz (41) last season.

The Prospects

Havertz spent most of the 2019/20 season deployed as a no. 10, also featuring on the right flank and at centre-forward at times. Given that Ziyech’s preferred position is on the right wing and Pulisic has been effective on the left, Lampard is expected to use the German behind his compatriot Werner.

Werner is a very different striker compared to Olivier Giroud (£7.0m) and Tammy Abraham (£7.5m). As we saw briefly in the Brighton friendly, he works a lot more off the ball, similar to Roberto Firmino (£9.5m).

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (£6.0m), who was playing as a no. 10, found himself in the box very often as a result of the German’s link-up play and the 4-3-3 that Lampard prefers shaped up into a 4-2-2-2 in transition. Given Havertz’ goal-scoring instincts, the prospects are mouth-watering, to say the least.

Chelsea were second only to Manchester City for expected goals last season, so creating chances was not a problem and by adding an ice-cold finisher like Havertz to their ranks, the Blues’ goal output should go up significantly this season.

With Havertz having had zero minutes with Chelsea in pre-season due to international involvement with Germany, it is perhaps unlikely that Lampard throws him into the fray straight away against Brighton, with a cameo appearance most likely. His minutes should improve as the weeks go on and he settles in, however.

In terms of injury, he has a good overall fitness record with only the muscle tear he suffered in November 2019 causing him to miss more than 15 days out with injury. He has been unavailable for just six games over the past three seasons due to injury or illness.


Statistics taken from Opta, fbref.com and Whoscored.com

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3,521 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Any Everton fans able to indicate whether Jonjoe Kenny is likely to be a 4.5m starter?

    1. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      One popped up on here earlier saying coleman was first choice sadly

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Yup, Coleman is skipper

        1. SackWenger
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          And quite cheap this year compared to previous seasons.

    2. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Might be going back to Shalke on loan.

  2. Hairy Potter
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    What are people's thoughts on Phillips from West Brom for 5.5 mid?

    1. Bad Kompany
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I’m not touching anyone on West Brom

    2. Hattrick Harry
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      He is coming from bench, just few starts - Diangana creates everything in WBA and Pereira gives all free kicks

      1. Hairy Potter
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Good to know. Thanks

    3. ivantys
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      West Brom will be the lowest scorer in the league

  3. Bad Kompany
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Who is expected to start at wing back for wolves? I just saw they signed Marcal, so is vinagre not likely to start?

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I reckon Vinagre's days as a starter for FPL are over.

    2. Thescaff
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      They won't go into the season without a back up option

    3. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Doubt they sign a 31 y/o without expecting to play him

    4. ivantys
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Sold vinagre already, can't risk him not playing.

  4. Gazwaz80
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Please have a look at my team and give me both barrels, sarcasm will be greatly appreciated 😉
    McCarthy
    Davies TTA Egan
    Auba Ward prowse Son Ali Mane Ceballos
    Werner longs
    Subs,,,, Nyland Saliba Branthwaite & Davis
    Cheers boys...

    1. Gazwaz80
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      *Ings

      1. Gazwaz80
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Forget Son also 🙂

    2. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Literally the worst bench imaginable, Egan JWP have cheaper better options on same teams, Alli is Alli and do you want to put your whole season on Salah vs mane? Pens win.

      1. Gazwaz80
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        So, all in all, not bad then 🙂

    3. Sad Pablo Arsecobar
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      You have a cheat code for those 6 midfielders?

  5. Flair
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Was confident Vinagre would remain a starter but less so now... reliable journalist says he's signed as competition for LWB and Tobido will sign to compete with Saiss instead. Between this and Ziyech's injury my team has taken quite the hit, irritating. Not sure I want double Southampton defense at all.

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I am considering triple SHU defence for their opening fixtures 🙂

      1. Thescaff
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        You won't want them for 4,6,7 or 8 though

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I will push up to GW4 or GW5 then use FT's to switch to double LFC defence.

      2. Flair
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Sounds horrifiying tbh

    2. MoSalalalalalalalalah
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Who would you line up as a replacement for Vinagre?

      1. Thescaff
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Newc def?

      2. Flair
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        KWP in my thoughts but double Southampton defense with McC is very off-putting. Just seen that Keane is 5.0 so he'd be my preferred option but I hate to spend the extra .5

    3. Stormbringer22
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Ziyech, Saiss, and Vinagre were all in my team. Quite the spanner in the works indeed.

    4. Bojan Horsemack
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Ziyech injury = one less to rotate. Makes Chelsea more appealing. Not that I'm on top of who'll play where yet

  6. The-Red-1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Ryan button
    TAA Vinagre Justin KWP Mitchell
    Salah Auba Son Soucek Bissouma
    Werner Ings Mitro.

    Plan to switch Auba/Salah to KDB and then Ings to Martial. Then Son could downgrade to a Chelsea midfielder if they look decent.

    Any good?

  7. Pacer.
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    No correct guesses on previous page

    What's the single largest amount of points (2019/20) across a 0.5m price point gap (2020/21) that can be bought

    (Disregarding the gap between 5.5-6m strikers as nobody would ever start with any of the 5.5s, and lundstram because of reclassification)

    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      We dont understand the question

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Imaginary 11.0 mid to Bruno

        1. Ginkapo FPL
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Abraham to DCL

    2. SackWenger
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Boring question - move on

      1. Pacer.
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Why is it boring. It's the price point shift that represents the greatest value based on existing data

        Why not just not comment if all you have is negativity

        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Just explain the answer and they will understand

        2. SackWenger
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Still boring - no-one cares.
          What player has the highest scrabble score in the Prem - another useless question

          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Ok. What interesting topic for discussion are you offering?

            1. SackWenger
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Ok, after GW1, do we think this could be the season to literally stick with KDB and Bruno as alternating captains given both are probably at their strongest at home, both on Corners, Free-kicks and pens? Meaning Salah, Mane and Auba are not worthy options and the wealth can be better spread.

              1. Ginkapo FPL
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Boring

                1. SackWenger
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  🙂

              2. Piggs Boson
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                I think KDB and Bruno will have more consistent returns, whereas the likes of Salah and Sterling are more explosive in the easier games, and therefore better captains imo.

                1. SackWenger
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  That's the flipside and the concern. Although both are capable of double digit returns in their own right plus hopefully the additional points accrued elsewhere.

    3. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      65

      1. Pacer.
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        It's a bit lower, it's 45. But I'm thinking about what the price point is and what the player is!

        1. @persecuted_by_mods
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Oh you're asking about the amount of points

            1. @persecuted_by_mods
                3 years, 7 months ago

                No wait ignore me, I think I was on the right track below in terms of price points

            2. Ginkapo FPL
              • 12 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Vardy 10.5 to Firmino 10.0 is 55

              1. Ginkapo FPL
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                I win

              2. Pacer.
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                No because ings scored much higher than firmino

                1. Ginkapo FPL
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  So? He isnt involved in this because he isnt in the price point. I've answered the question you asked, you havent

                  1. Pacer.
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    I'm sorry you don't understand such a basic concept

        2. @persecuted_by_mods
            3 years, 7 months ago

            It's confusing. Are you asking with this year's prices what's the biggest points jump in-between a price rise of .5?

            Could we pick the lowest as in a 4.0 that got 1 point after making 1 sub appewrance and a 4.5 that played regularly

            1. Pacer.
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              I really didn't think the wording was confusing at all, the words devine it accurately! But yeah...and of course I'm only think about players that actually played because that's all that's really of value to upgrading a player

              It's the 4.5 to 5m defence price points. 45 points the difference between 5m Egan and the closest player classified as 4.5

              1. Ginkapo FPL
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Wrong. Its Vardy to Firmino

                1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  This

                2. Pacer.
                  • 9 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  You don't understand. This isn't complicated at all.

                  Vardy is 10.5

                  Rank all the players 10m and below by score.

                  The gap between the top scoring player and Vardy is far narrower than 45

                  Investing 0.5 at the price point offers much less value according to last year's performances

                  1. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Vardy is 10m

                    1. Pacer.
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Same result then. Ings was 8.5 and scored 200 odd. A 0.5 investment has no value based on last year's scores

                  2. @persecuted_by_mods
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Vardy is 10 so Ginkapo is right

                      1. Pacer.
                        • 9 Years
                        3 years, 7 months ago

                        See above. There is no value investing between this years 8.5 and 9m price point, let alone 8.5 and 10, based on last year's scores

                        The largest 2019/20 points increase across a 0.5 price point this year for any viable players is 4.5-5m defenders

                        1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
                          • 7 Years
                          3 years, 7 months ago

                          This is too confusing to derive any benefit from, sorry

                          1. Pacer.
                            • 9 Years
                            3 years, 7 months ago

                            Maybe the app will make it easier for you to understand

                            Take out a player and set the price point to anything, say 6.5 mids

                            Look at the highest scoring player

                            Knock the app parameter up to 7m

                            Look at the highest scoring player

                            Subtract the first from the second

                            You have your value

                            What is the highest value you can find performing this operation with players that are any playing use whatsoever (e.g not 4m players who got 1 point or 5.5m strikers that hardly ever play)

                            The answer is 4.5 to 5m in defence

                            I'm sorry you don't get it. But it IS helpful information. It tells you, based on an assumption of reproducibility) that amongst players with existing data, 0.5m is worth 45 points

                            Why not see what it's worth with other players you own who have existing data

                            It might surprise you

                3. The Suspended One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  There won’t always be a gap, always will be value players, this doesn’t tell you anything really

                4. Ginkapo FPL
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Also Bailly got 9pts for 5.0

                5. Andy_Social
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Alright. Now I'm a pragmatic guy, and I like to think how is this useful in choosing our players for this season.
                  My immediate reaction is - it isn't.
                  The interesting facet of this isn't the price point; it's Sheffield United. No one expected them to do so well. IF another club 'does a Blades' - and I suppose the one that could is Leeds, then yes, their 4.5 defenders will be value.
                  But (a) we knew that anyway, and (b) we don't know if they or any other club packed with 4.5 defenders will replicate Blades. So as far as I can see, this revelation isn't really very helpful.

                  1. Pacer.
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Yes, absolutely, we should expect that 4.5m defenders should appear this year and exceed the 88, the top scoring defender from last year classified as 4.5 this year

                    But it IS valuable information.

                    If you're looking for investments that have some existing data that you can look at and use judge whether you think it's reproducible, then it's a helpful thing to know

                6. Piggs Boson
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  How do goalkeepers come out in your analysis?

                  Do they have the smallest gaps between them?

            2. HuttonDressedasLahm
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              42 😉

            3. Nightcrawler
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              This question is so confusing becuase there are so many ways to answer it now sure which way youre looking for

            4. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              If you want the optimal formation at price point (best starting lineup) it helps to look at which Price bracket combos made up the optimal formation last year

              1. The Suspended One
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Or looking at gaps and seeing where best return for money is. Problem is external factors like # of players and it would skew premium

            5. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Werner to Vardy? 😉

              1. Pacer.
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Thank Christ someone can understand a really basic concept haha

                1. SackWenger
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Is this because Werner wasn't in 2019/20 season?

                2. Ginkapo FPL
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  What? Ings is no longer relevant?

            6. Tony Moon
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              I've just read this thread and literally have no idea what any of it is about.

            7. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              This question is basically “Guess what I’m thinking”...

              Like how Ricky Gervais used to describe Karl Pilkington’s obscure rock-busters clues

            8. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Right I think I finally understand what you are saying?

              I think the bit you are missing is that for the price point difference there can’t be any cheaper alternatives in said position.
              E.g which is why Firmino and Vardy is technically the right answer but Ings offers more in theory based on last season for less than said price point.

              Naturally, because of this the 4.5-5.0 defender range is the largest difference (Egan), followed closely by 4.5-5.0 mid (Noble).

              1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Cheaper alternatives which scored more points that is

                1. Pacer.
                  • 9 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Indeed. Ings offers more at much less, but now set your app parameters to 9 and see if a 0.5 investment in ings can buy you more than 45 points. Not a chance of course

                  1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
                    • 7 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Yes. Now the issue with this approach is the sheer options available at these ‘pinch’ price points.
                    So the upside based on history is you can make the greatest gain spending an extra 0.5 to get a 5.0 def/mid, the problem is which one.

                    It’s much easier at the mid to premium end naturally because there are less options, but smaller chance of a greater gain.

                    My opinion/synopsis of it anyhow.

                    1. Pacer.
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Yes, and it wasn't an opinion piece. Just based purely on existing data, so the largest gap is between any 4.5 and John Egan.

                      I don't fancy any of the promoted teams to be an SHU/Burnley type team and the 4.5s all look a touch risky to me for different reasons, potentially Vinagre aside. So I think given their fixtures, it's a wise investment

            9. Pacer.
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Maybe I am to blame and have explained this poorly. And if that's the case I apologise, it seemed clear to me

              Maybe describing the app process will make it clearer

              Take out a player and set the price point to anything, say 6.5 mids

              Look at the highest scoring player

              Knock the app parameter up to 7m

              Look at the highest scoring player

              Subtract the first from the second

              You have your value

              What is the highest value you can find performing this operation with players that are any playing use whatsoever (e.g not 4m players who got 1 point or 5.5m strikers that hardly ever play)

              The answer is 4.5 to 5m in defence

              This is helpful information. It tells you, based of course on an assumption (of reproducibility. Fair enough, we work with assumptions all the time) that amongst players with existing data, 0.5m is worth most at that price point: 45 points

              Why not see what it's worth with other players you own who have existing data

              It might surprise you

          • Atimis
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Which one sounds best:
            1) Mitro Ings 4.5mid(Bench) 4.5def 433
            2) Mitro DCL Armstrong 4.5def(Bench) 343
            3) Ings 4.5fwd(Bench) Soucek AWB 442

          • diesel001
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            So Vinagre out of the team after Wolves signed Marcal?

            1. Stormbringer22
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Consensus here is that Marcal is back up and Vinagre is safe for the time being

              1. The Suspended One
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Link?

                1. Stormbringer22
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  To what?

                  1. The Suspended One
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Who here said that; all posters do not offer the same value

                    1. Stormbringer22
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 4 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Just go back a few pages, it has been asked many times on this thread and many answers were given. You can decide then whose answer is credible and whose isn't

                      1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                        • 14 Years
                        3 years, 7 months ago

                        There is only one credible person that can Answer that and his name is Nuno. The rest is just guess work

                      2. TorresMagic™
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • Has Moderation Rights
                        • 14 Years
                        3 years, 7 months ago

                        Only answer that is credible would be from Nuno.

            2. Thescaff
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Lol, think I get whats going on here.
              Let's all say yes

            3. HuttonDressedasLahm
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              No, but now prone to rotation

          • Stormbringer22
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Hi guys, leaning towards A myself. What do you think?

            A. Willian + Mitrovic + £0.5itb
            B. Ings + Pereira

            Willian is a placeholder for a Chelsea mid GW3, hopefully Pulisic if fit and ready.

          • Fernando Torres
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Salah + Mitro
            Or
            Kane + Alli

            1. Stormbringer22
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              K+A

            2. Beatle
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Salah + Mitro

          • Thescaff
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Since Rudi Garcia switched to a 3-4-3, the majority of Lyon’s build-up went down their left, largely due to the excellent ball-playing ability of Fernando Marçal on the left side of their back 3.

            Slots in nicely there alongside Boly & Coady in Wolves’ 3-4-3.

            1. Milk, 1 Šuker
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              May well do, but sure you're not just trolling?

              1. Thescaff
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Quoting Premier league panel. They know their stuff.

                1. Milk, 1 Šuker
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Link to source?

                    1. Milk, 1 Šuker
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Thanks. It's not the official Premier League though is it. It's the view of journalists who can be subjective.

                      1. The Suspended One
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        3 years, 7 months ago

                        Lmfao A little petty aren’t we

                        1. Milk, 1 Šuker
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 11 Years
                          3 years, 7 months ago

                          Oh hello. Where did you pop up from?

                          1. The Suspended One
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 11 Years
                            3 years, 7 months ago

                            The public forum that you posted your comments in

                            Hello

                            1. Milk, 1 Šuker
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 11 Years
                              3 years, 7 months ago

                              Let’s just leave it there eh? I’ve made my point. If you don’t like it you don’t have to comment on it.

                              1. Brosstan
                                • 9 Years
                                3 years, 7 months ago

                                Your point was terrible and deserved to be called out

            2. Flair
              • 3 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              This is what I want to hear lmao

            3. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              31 years old and CL experienced on a short term deal? I think he starts as soon as he’s up to speed

              1. Flair
                • 3 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                At LCB I hope

                1. Thescaff
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Hmmm it's either Saiss or Vinagre missing out. Who does he trust more.
                  Another twist

                2. The Suspended One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Oh I think he has to be the WB... can’t see him playing CB much although fair point

            4. DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              So Vinagre and Saiss both no go?

          • MoSalalalalalalalalah
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            RMT please. Thanks in advance!

            Mccarthy (Button)
            Trent - Egan - Doherty (Vinagre + Mitchell)
            Auba - Bowen - Mané - Saka (Bissouma)
            Ings - Werner - Mitro

            1. no kane no pain
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Just posted my team very similar though u can save 0.5 to swap Egan to kwp to use elsewhere if u wanted.

              Saka vs ASM rationale and do u feel he is nailed?

              1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Very skeptical over doubling up on Southampton defenders, so probably going to steer clear.

                I don't think Saka is nailed on but he's probably the best in that price range, as I don't see ASM doing much.

                Any other advice on my team though?

                1. no kane no pain
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  ASM is everywhere on the pitch lol whilst Saka will be rotated. So possibly better points haul long term.

                  U don't have 2 Southampton def? So kwp is likely to get u asst points and is nailed?

          • no kane no pain
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Do I go mitro as the best 6m?

            Mccarthy {steer}
            TAA Doherty vinagre kwp (Mitchell)
            Auba salah asm (soucek) (Stephens)
            Richarlison Ings Werner

          • BobbyDoesNotLook
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            A) Doherty + 4.5 fwd (useless fodder obv)
            B) Mitro + 4.5 def

            1. The Senate
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              If you have another Spurs def,
              Mitro + 4.0 def + 0.5
              otherwise A

              1. BobbyDoesNotLook
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Been thinking of Davies but not sure of his minutes (and attacking potential). At this point of season would prefer saving some money though. Any opinion on Davies?

                1. The Senate
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  I've got Davies in my team atm - pick of the 5.0defs IMO, definitely first choice but nowhere near as attacking as Doh

            2. no kane no pain
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Usually defender would get u the points here. Mitro I find to be a YC magnet but the best of the 6m out there that is known. Only other I see is rodrigo of Leeds but that's a wait and watch.

              1. BobbyDoesNotLook
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Yep exactly 4.5 def can be a decent asset but 4.5fwd is quite useless. Mitro + 4.5def would improve bench significantly.

          • The Senate
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            (A) Ramsdale & KWP
            (B) Egan & McCarthy

            ?

            1. Pipermaru
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              I'm on B but not much between them two, guess I went for players I know better.

            2. Fero1905
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              I am on b

          • Heskey Time
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            All this uncertainty heading into week 1 makes me just want to BB Wk 1 and hold it out in wk 2 with 1 transfer of salah to Bruno Wk 2 and WC Wk 3. Crazy or reasonable?

          • EgyptianKing
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Mates do you think Harvetz starts GW1?

            Or too early?

            Was considering buying him from the start.

            1. Hattrick Harry
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              No, he comes from bench getting 1p in first game

          • RAFA THE GAFFA
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            So, best 4.5m defender?

            1. 7shadesofsmoke
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Burnley

              1. RAFA THE GAFFA
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Probably agree. Shame no GW1

                1. LewanGOALski
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  I am still getting one from the beginning 🙂

                2. 7shadesofsmoke
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  double GW on the horizon though

                  1. BobbyDoesNotLook
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 6 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Is it? Any further insight on this? That would definitely change it for me

                    1. 7shadesofsmoke
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      well if they miss the first gameweek they'll have to have a double at some point right?

                    2. Pipermaru
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Well we don't know when but for every blank there's a double later on. However, one of Burnley's games will be MUN/MCI (I don't remember who they supposed to play GW1) so not much of a favourable DGW for them.

                3. BobbyDoesNotLook
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 6 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  And Leicester after that. And Soton after that (Ingsy bias here). I am probably starting without C Taylor.

          • 7shadesofsmoke
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Whats the Werdict then?

            Havertz or Werner?

            1. Ginkapo FPL
              • 12 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Try reading the article. Oh wait you cant

              1. 7shadesofsmoke
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                what did you call me?

            2. Dr. Rog
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Both by week 3 seems to be the consensus. Although I’d never heard of Havertz before about a week ago, so I’d rather pulisic until I see something to justify the hype.

              1. The Suspended One
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Pulis hurt

              2. OLDHERMAN
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                You know, Fifa game is rising ad a source, there seem to be clubs who base their market on Fifa 20 evaluations.

              3. kevchenko
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                You'd never heard of Havertz?

                You are aware football excists outside of the England right?

                I hate reading stuff like this.... as if he cannot possibly be worth having because YOU haven't heard of him?

                Your ignorance is the reason you won't do as well as you could.

          • Dr. Rog
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Has anyone actually looked at Fulham’s fixtures. They have 1 good one in the first 5 that’s villa at home sandwiched between ars at home, and Leeds, Sheffield and wolves away. That’s pretty awful. Granted wks 6-9 are a lot kinder but are folk really gonna hold on that long for the swing? 27.7% ownership his price is gonna tank.

            1. Flair
              • 3 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Even Villa were much better defensively after the restart.

              1. Dr. Rog
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                And arsenal... the away fixtures against defensively renowned teams. That’s a disaster waiting to happen, I’m flipping to dcl, possibly Wilson if his price looks good.

                1. Flair
                  • 3 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Yeah, the Mitro bandwagon is doomed to fail imo

                  Adams miles better

                  1. The Suspended One
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Adams isn’t even going to play but half the games; Armstrong far better option

                    1. Flair
                      • 3 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Horrifying take

                      1. The Suspended One
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        3 years, 7 months ago

                        Preseason wonder

                        Bookmark it

                2. The Suspended One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Wilson has to be overpriced...

            2. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              That’s the thing, id happily keep but he’s going to tank TV

              1. Dr. Rog
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Dcl then mitro for 6-9 then António looks pretty good navigation of fixtures

                1. The Suspended One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Will never own DCL again

                  Never

                  1. Nightcrawler
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Haha i said the same thing after owning for the entire restart period but no doubt will be sucked back in at some point

                    1. Dr. Rog
                      • 14 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Fixtures are great, midfield has changed as well.
                      Seems a better choice than mitro at least.

                    2. The Suspended One
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      Just could not get him out of my team ... and the fixtures are good so you let it go another week; over and over.. ugh

                      Never

            3. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Only crazy folk have Fulham players!

              1. Dr. Rog
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                It’s never a bad idea to have a gk from a very poor team.
                I think Mitrovic gets votes due to the talisman effect and pens. Over the season he is a decent value pick.

                1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Think that talisman effect is just more FPL guff . He was the talisman last time he was in the prem. Didn’t help much

                  1. Dr. Rog
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    Half the teams goals go through him, so I think there is something to it. He will get something like 120pts this season and that’s decent value for 6. However I just don’t see him getting much in the first 5 and that’s a very sensitive time with respect to market volatility and player performance.

                    1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                      • 14 Years
                      3 years, 7 months ago

                      I have him at mo but i am not liking it. He is such a liability. Think it is once bitten twice shy. I actually think Fulham have a worse team now than when they last came up.

                      1. Flair
                        • 3 Years
                        3 years, 7 months ago

                        Team is more defensive too

              2. MoSalalalalalalalalah
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                I have Mitro, Ings and Werner but don't want to bring in Adams for Mitro, and have 2 Southampton forwards. Any other options?

              3. Hattrick Harry
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Im in same wagon, just batshit crazy to take anyone from Fulham. Or maybe nailed 4.5 mid filler Reed who starts regularly.

          • LewanGOALski
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Isn’t Vinagre also capable of playing RWB?
            They haven’t replaced Doherty yet so it easily might be him if NES decides to put Marcal on LWB.

            1. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              I believe so, he may even be better there, formational tactics notwithstanding

          • Jdpz
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            McCarthy
            Doherty, Egan, Justin
            Auba, Saka, Son, ASM
            Werner, DCL, Mitrović
            bench: Nyland, Digne, Greenwood, Vinagre (3.5M itb)

            I don't have TAA, because he may not be in the match rhythm. Is a squad without a Liverpool player too risky?
            How would you rate holding Greenwood on the bench?

            1. Dr. Rog
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Yep just use your 3.5m on taa he is a set and forget

          • Azzastaan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Please RMT
            Ryan
            Taa kwp justin vinagre mitchell
            Salah Mane Auba Soucek Gordon
            Kane Mitro Davis

            Maybe mane and mitro to havertz/ziyech and werner?

          • Doctor Evil
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Best 4.5m mids?

            1. Andy_Social
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              i've got Gordon and Bissouma, but there really aren't any.

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                You going heavy up top?

                1. Andy_Social
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Not so much. It's the 3 premium mids. After GW1 both should usually be on the bench.

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    I am planning on only going one premium mid. Want to spread the points much as possible and reasess after GW3 or so.

                    Upgrading Soucek and a 4.5 an atter shambles.

                2. Doctor Evil
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Yeah see below

              2. The Suspended One
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Gordon could emerge in that weaka$$ team, creative and energetic

                1. Flair
                  • 3 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Not happening, Rodriguez and Rich will take the wing spots in the 4-3-3

                  1. The Suspended One
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    3 years, 7 months ago

                    4.5 tho, impact sub, starter in case of injury. Good value for me

                2. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Impact sub perhaps. Cannot see him starting with Rodriguez joining the ranks.

            2. FOO FIGHTER
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              None to start in your 11.

            3. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Guendouzi at 4.2, oh no wait....

              I don’t know why they don’t just price some mids and fwds at 4.0 like they do with defenders and keepers.

            4. Hattrick Harry
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              The most regularly 4.5 is Reed from Fulham, nailed in midfield, will be my filler

            5. Snooze ya lose
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Bissouma

          • LewanGOALski
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            JWP or Armstrong?
            (just assume money doesn’t matter)

            1. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Armstrong 100%

            2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              JWP

            3. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              jwp .

            4. Tony Moon
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Stats say JWP

            5. OLDHERMAN
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Armstrong. Could really be a steal if the team works properly - I think it will. JWP is one you know what to expect from; but you won't win the game playing conservatively, that's not only sure, but mathematical.

          • SEXY SOLO SAUCE
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Doherty is nailed at Spurs right?

            1. Sergeant Slaughter
              • 12 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              would certainly hope so

              1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                It’s just that Aurier is still there somehow

          • Doctor Evil
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Current team has VVD instead of TAA but apart from that what you think?

            McCarthy (Button)
            Egan VVD Lascelles Mitchell (Douglas)
            Auba Salah Son Soucek (4.5)
            Ings Kane (4.5)

            1.5 in the bank for Son to Bruno
            Then at some point Auba to KDB & Ings to Martial

            1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Get Trent, find a way

          • Emiliano Sala
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            thoughts on ceballos as enabler ?

            1. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Yes

              Next?

            2. Aztec Kamara
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Would much rather Soucek (caveat GW1 availability). Unless you’re willing to accept nearly zero attacking returns but then you may as well have a 4.5

              1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Remember that Ceballos double assist on his debut haha

                1. The Suspended One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  He’s going to get forward against the smaller clubs, nailed, I like him at 5

                2. Aztec Kamara
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 7 months ago

                  Sadly, all too well. I thought this guy looked amazing and got him in. Painful. I now have a reminder that every player has to pass an eye tes5 of more than 1 game!!

          • FPL_Devil
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            AVL supporters. Who will you start with in net? Cheers!

            1. Dr. Rog
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              The ball?

              1. OLDHERMAN
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                ROTFL