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Having analysed the goalkeepers, budget defenders, mid-price/premium defenders, budget midfielders, mid-price midfielders and premium midfielders, our thorough look through the Fantasy Premier League price list continues with an assessment of the budget forwards on offer.

The reasons for selecting at least one striker priced at £6.0m or below are varied, the most glaringly obvious one being out of necessity to free up funds elsewhere. To afford numerous premium assets, sacrifices have to be made in some positions. With almost one in two FPL managers currently owning Mohamed Salah, for example, a bargain basement “enabler” or two will almost certainly be required to fund the Egyptian’s inflated £13.0m price tag.

Another reason why Fantasy bosses may be deliberately light in attack, at least early on, is that several of the premium forward options – Harry Kane, Romelu Lukaku, Gabriel Jesus, Jamie Vardy etc –  have had decimated pre-seasons following their participation in this summer’s World Cup and are less appealing prospects as a result. Mid-price options such as Wilfried Zaha, Marko Arnautovic and Cenk Tosun are currently mopping up the owners as a consequence (more of which we’ll discuss in our next price list analysis article), but the likes of Aboubakar Kamara and Collin Quaner (both £4.5m) are proving to be relatively popular alternatives.

Which bring us to our next point of consideration: whether we want our budget forwards to be viable playing options or set-and-forget bench fodder. The popularity of Kamara and Quaner suggests the prevailing opinion is for the latter and a cursory glance through the plethora of “rate my team” requests on the FFS site would suggest a significant proportion of FPL managers are pursuing this strategy. Callum Wilson (£6.0m), sitting in 4.1% of FPL squads at the time of writing, is currently the most popular budget forward who has a realistic chance of sustained game-time.

The £4.5m Bracket

Quaner was a favoured option last season for FPL managers ditching 3-4-3 in favour of a power five in midfield and even gifted his owners some playing time, making 13 league starts and as many substitute appearances for Huddersfield Town; that the German forward recorded four assists was an added bonus.

Most of Quaner’s appearances were on the right wing, rather than up top, for the Terriers last season and David Wagner has strengthened his options on the flanks over the summer with the captures of Ramadan Sobhi and Adama Diakhaby. The versatile Diakhaby, a signing from Monaco, started Huddersfield’s recent friendlies against Darmstadt and Lyon on the right flank, and Quaner’s minutes would seem at more risk this season.

Not that pitch-time would be of a huge concern for the 7.3% of FPL managers who own Quaner, of course, the majority of whom would be benching the budget forward on a weekly basis.

Kamara’s listing as Fulham’s sole striking option in FPL will have caught the eye of many Fantasy managers, but the chances of the French forward starting the season as the spearhead of Slavisa Jokanovic’s attack are slim. The Cottagers will almost certainly add a bona fide striker or two to their ranks before Gameweek 1, with last year’s loan signing Aleksandar Mitrovic persistently linked with a permanent move to west London.

Kamara featured mostly as a substitute striker throughout Fulham’s promotion-winning season, coming off the bench in 22 of his 30 Championship appearances. The budget forward ended up the season on the right of Jokanovic’s front three in attack and could potentially be blooded there in 2018/19, although the arrival of Andre Schurrle from Borussia Dortmund would further cast doubt on Kamara’s first-team chances.

There is little else to interest FPL managers in the £4.5m bracket: Gary Madine, the scorer of three pre-season goals against the mighty Bodmin Town and Tavistock AFC, may feature intermittently for Cardiff City this season but is well behind Kenneth Zohore and new signing Bobby Reid in the pecking order up front.

It’s worth reiterating that for many Fantasy managers, especially at this early stage in the season when a full playing bench is perhaps not necessary, the prospective pitch-time of their £4.5m forwards is an irrelevance.

The £5.0m Bracket

An extra £0.5m doesn’t buy much this season and not one of the forwards in the £5.0m bracket stands out. The fact that Joselu is currently the most-owned striker in this price group says much about the other options available.

Newcastle United’s much-maligned striker scored on only four occasions in 2017/18 and his last league start for the Magpies was a home match against Burnley in January, a fixture in which Joselu missed from the spot.

The former Stoke City striker has, at least, featured prominently in pre-season, starting both of Newcastle’s fixtures played to date and netting in the 2-2 draw with Hull City. The expected arrival of Yoshinori Muto from Mainz would likely put paid to his first-team renaissance, however.

Shane Long, Elias Kachunga and Lys Mousset are among the familiar names in this group, all of whom will see minutes for their respective clubs at some point this season but are far from guaranteed starters – and more likely to see action in support roles/on the flank.

Tomer Hemed, who has two goals and an assist in pre-season, will likely be behind Glenn Murray, Jurgen Locadia (£5.5m) and Florin Andone in the pecking order at Brighton and Hove Albion, meanwhile.

Kenneth Zohore and Leo Bonatini are £5.0m-rated options for newly promoted Cardiff City and Wolverhampton Wanderers.

The arrival of Bobby Reid (£5.5m) from Bristol City doesn’t necessarily signal the end of Zohore’s first-team opportunities, with Reid playing either alongside or to the wide of the big Dane in Cardiff’s two most-recent friendlies. Zohore isn’t likely to be troubling the top goal-scorer charts, however, having scored on only nine occasions in 36 Championship appearances last season. A rate of an attempt on goal every 29.1 minutes in 2017/18 was a decent one, though that mean will likely worsen against superior opposition this season.

Bonatini, meanwhile, began last season at Wolves in scintillating form, scoring on 12 occasions before Christmas. A five-month barren spell between then and the end of the campaign led to his demotion from nailed-on starter to impact substitute and the concern again this season would be his minutes – particularly after the arrival of Raul Jimenez (£5.5m).

Alexander Sorloth has had an unspectacular beginning to his Crystal Palace career but has shown glimpses of form in pre-season, starting every one of the Eagles’ four friendlies contested to date and being directly involved in four of his side’s goals. Palace’s dearth of options in attack means that – as is currently the case with Christian Benteke’s ankle knock – the Norwegian target-man is only an injury away from a potential start in Gameweek 1.

The £5.5m Bracket

Oumar Niasse and Dominic Calvert-Lewin were a cost-effective source of points for Everton in 2017/18. Niasse scored on eight occasions in the league and, of all the forwards available at £6.0m or below in FPL this season, had the best points-per-match average (3.8). Calvert-Lewin, meanwhile, found the back of the net on four occasions and no Premier League striker in any price bracket assisted more goals (eight).

The arrival of Cenk Tosun in January was a game-changer, however. After the Turkish striker’s debut in Gameweek 23, Niasse and Calvert-Lewin started only seven matches between them from then until the end of the season. Silva has made positive noises about both players since taking over at Goodison Park but the pair will likely be squad players at best this season.

Sandro Ramirez, another Toffee in the £5.5m bracket, has unexpectedly featured prominently in pre-season, starting all five of Everton’s summer friendlies to date. Everton have an appealing start to the season (wlv, SOU, bou, HUD, WHU) and Sandro, long-thought to be surplus to requirements at Goodison and indeed not even priced up when FPL went live last month, is one to monitor over the coming weeks. With Gylfi Sigurdsson and new signing Richarlison still to return, however, Sandro’s first-team prospects either up front or in the supporting roles behind Tosun would appear slim.

On the surface, Danny Ings has to be one of the least appealing striking options in this bracket. All eyes will be on the transfer market in the coming weeks, however, with the Liverpool reserve set for a possible exit after three injury-hit years on Merseyside.

Should Ings make a move to a Premier League club that could guarantee him starts, the former Burnley striker is one to monitor in the medium term. Still just 26 years of age, Ings hit double figures for goals in his last full season (2014/15) for the Clarets in the top flight.

Sam Vokes largely played second fiddle to Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood at Turf Moor last season, but with the Clarets competing in Europe this season (qualification permitting), could feature more prominently in 2018/19. Barnes was sidelined for Burnley’s Europa League match with Aberdeen but the problem (blisters) is not a serious one. Vokes meanwhile emerged from the bench to grab the Clarets’ equaliser in the 1-1 draw at Pittodrie.

Having previously discussed Kenneth Zohore and Leo Bonatini in the £5.0m bracket, Bobby Reid and Raul Jimenez are slightly more expensive options for their respective clubs.

Both strikers are untested at Premier League level and for Reid in particular, the Premier League could be a daunting step up. Reid scored on 19 occasions in the Championship last season but his underlying statistics were mostly inferior to those of Zohore and he had previously not scored more than three goals in a single campaign. After a decent opening three fixtures, Cardiff’s horrendous run of matches between Gameweeks 4 and 10 will likely deter much investment in the Bristolian forward.

Jimenez is a more interesting proposition and, although new to English football, his physicality and ability to bring his team-mates into play would seem ideally suited to the figurehead role in Nuno Espirito Santo’s 3-4-3 system. Santo may decide to gradually ease Jimenez into first-team action, but the Mexico international has already started two of Wolves’ pre-season friendlies and experienced the blood and thunder of an away match at Stoke City.

Jimenez didn’t score more than seven league goals in a single season during his three years at Benfica, however.

Laurent Depoitre is set to once again battle Steve Mounie (£6.0m) for the lone forward’s role in David Wagner’s 4-2-3-1 formation and the Belgian striker staked his claim to a first-team place with two goals in Huddersfield’s 3-1 win over Lyon. While Depoitre’s minutes-per-chance average of 72.3 was the worst among forwards with more than 30 appearances to their name, the Belgian striker’s goal conversion rate of 24% was among the highest in his position. Huddersfield’s miserable league goals tally of 28 in 2017/18 was indicative of their creativity problems, but the Terriers could potentially pose more of a sustained goal threat this season with Ramadan Sobhi, Alex Pritchard and Adama Diakhaby playing just off Mounie/Depoitre.

Andy Carroll is set to miss the first few months of the season, while Jurgen Locadia faces a race against time to be fit for Brighton’s opening match at Watford. Having featured only sporadically for the Seagulls after his move in January (sometimes on the flank), this could be a make-or-break season for Locadia with an ageing Glenn Murray and an unproven Florin Andone for competition.

The £6.0m Bracket

In an ideal world, Fantasy managers ought to be expecting security of starts as well as a potent goal threat for a £6.0m-rated forward.

The likes of Daniel Sturridge, Kelechi Iheanacho and Fernando Llorente fall at the first hurdle, then. Llorente has four goals already in pre-season and could potentially start in Harry Kane’s place as the England striker builds up his fitness after a post-World Cup break, but Kane has already stated that he hopes to feature in Mauricio Pochettino’s plans for the Gameweek 1 encounter with Newcastle United.

There aren’t many “nailed” picks in this bracket elsewhere, either. Dwight Gayle ousted Joselu from the Newcastle team after the Spaniard’s horror show in the 1-1 draw with Burnley in January, but question marks remain over his ability to cut it at top-flight level: the former Crystal Palace striker scored on only six occasions last season. The Magpies’ atrocious sequence of fixtures in the first eight Gameweeks would further dent Gayle’s appeal.

As mentioned before, Steve Mounie is likely to interchange with Laurent Depoitre as the spearhead of the Huddersfield attack. The Benin international had almost twice as many goal attempts (49) as Depoitre (25) last season, despite playing only 50 more minutes. Mounie’s greater number of shots failed to translate into a glut of goals, however, with his total of seven league strikes beating Depoitre’s only by one.

No forward available for £6.0m or less this season had more shots on goal (60) in 2017/18 than Ashley Barnes. Available for £0.5m less than strike partner Chris Wood, Barnes had a better minutes-per-chance average (36) than the former Leeds striker although scored one league goal fewer. Burnley’s fixtures for Gameweeks 1-8 are inviting, although their participation in the Europa League could see Sean Dyche on occasion rotate one of the most settled sides of last season. Barnes is currently struggling with blisters and missed the Europa League match with Aberdeen on Thursday.

The other six strikers in the £6.0m bracket belong to just three teams, with each pair – Charlie Austin and Manolo Gabbiadini at Southampton, Troy Deeney and Andre Gray at Watford, and Callum Wilson and Jermain Defoe at Bournemouth – likely to be competing for one centre-forward spot at their respective clubs.

If Austin gets the nod over Gabbiadini (as he did in the recent friendly defeat to Derby County), then the former Queens Park Rangers striker is one of the most attractive propositions in this price bracket, particularly with Southampton’s agreeable first five fixtures.

Austin had another injury-plagued season last year and it is easy to brand him a nostalgic pick, but his minutes-per-chance average (21.5) in 2017/18 was inferior only to those of Harry Kane, Olivier Giroud and Sergio Aguero among strikers with 20+ appearances to their name.

Gray has started both of Watford’s pre-season friendlies contested to date, registering a goal and an assist over those two appearances. Neither Gray nor Deeney shone in the league last season (both finishing with five goals to their name) but with home fixtures against Brighton and Palace to come in the first three Gameweeks, Gray could be a shot-to-nothing short-term punt.

Wilson started all but two of Bournemouth’s final 20 fixtures of last season, with Eddie Howe mostly sticking by his first-choice forward even during a 12-match goal drought. Wilson’s scoreless run from late-January to mid-May will likely deter possible owners, but the Cherries meet only one of the “big six” in the first ten Gameweeks and their attack, in particular, is worthy of consideration for this run. Josh King (£6.5m) is another route into the Bournemouth forward line, but the Norwegian’s minutes-per-chance rate of 48.1 last season was far inferior to Wilson’s 37.5.

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  1. Fantasynørden
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Foster - Fabianski

    Daniels - Bailly - Bennett -Keane - Cedric

    Alexis - Deulofeu - Mahrez - Ward - Richarlison

    Firmino - Aguero - Auba

    Any suggestions? Who do i neei to get out and who should i bring in?

    1. Fantasynørden
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      *need

    2. ElliotJHP
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Get rid of Daniels, not worth having for three opening games now a massive rotation risk.

      Also not convinced on Deulofeu at all

      1. Warby84
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Aubameyang (cert to start) over Aguero and get in Salah

    3. barton fc
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      no salah is too risky when 50% of the game will captain him

  2. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Anybody knows how long valencia is injured?
    Shaw can be gold

    1. Warby84
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      About 1 month

      1. Warby84
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I think centrally Alderweireld and hijack of Mina, so I would personally wait on any united defenders..

    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Gold? I don’t have the power to know. He’s not indestructible, I always believe in him.
      Gold mmm, last night I vowed to return, something I should have learnt, they’ve got the best defence...

  3. Rigid Digit
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    7m Forwards

    Re-badging of Arnie and Zaha from Mids could well reduce their points return.
    Don't think their prollific enough to play week in week out.
    I'm going for Tosun (and hoping!)

    1. Warby84
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Think Arnie will do well, not convinced with Zaha

    2. Snevitz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      You think Tosun will be a more prolific scorer over the season than Arnie?
      I can't see it myself.

      1. Third Eye Vision
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah, I’m not convinced either, but one to monitor. Possibility of Tosun getting some pens.

  4. Don Kloppeone
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    No reply love on the last page so RP
    How's this rabble looking? Any advice?

    Ederson
    Robbo, Bailly, Ward, Tomkins
    Salah (C), Sané/Mahrez, Richarlison
    Auba, Firmino, Arnie

    (Speroni) (Stephens, Gunnarsson, Peltier)

    Appreciate the opinions - cheers

    1. moz_1983
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Nice.

    2. adamc
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Can't fault it. Personally don't rate Auba and Arnie but everyone else seems to. Who are you leaning towards sane or Mahrez? (assuming they both start).

      1. Don Kloppeone
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Leaning towards Sané atm

        Auba could become Kun - still undecided!

  5. Saka White Rice
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Is Shaw nailed?

    1. Warby84
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I wouldn’t take a punt personally, think Mourinho has defensive transfer plans before end of window

    2. GMBC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      For the first week...post that, depends on when Young is back

    3. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Shaw has disappointed me every time

  6. GMBC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    RMT please: 4-4-2 which can become 3-5-2 based on fixtures

    Robobo-Shaw-Jagielka-Cedric-Wan Bissaka

    Salah-Sane-Mahrez-Eriksen-Kenedy

    Firmino - Zaha-Quaner

  7. moz_1983
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    So what's everyone's preferred formation so far? I typically go 3-4-3 but am thinking of changing up.

    1. Warby84
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      4-4-2 as I have Sørloth, Hughes, Wan Bissaka as subs

    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I’ve gone for 442.

    3. Don Kloppeone
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I'm on 4-3-3 atm
      But have actually been tempted with a 4-4-2 as an alternative which I have never usually rated in FPL

    4. Y26 Royal
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      3-5-2 and 4-4-2 rotation

      1. Warby84
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        4-2-4 with Salah and Sanchez

      2. Third Eye Vision
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        This is how my team is set up currently, but I’m keen to play 4 defenders as much as possible this season (to break a 10 year habit of playing 3 4 3).

  8. barton fc
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    views on this?
    foster (fab)
    mendy robbo tark shaw (AWB)
    salah mahrez mkhi richarlison (Stephens)
    aguero firmins (Quaner)

  9. FantasyFootballFanatic
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    I personally feel Sarri is going to take Chelsea to the next level this coming season. Rumours surrounding Higuain have cooled down a bit and Sarri loves a striker who is good with the ball on the floor, so do you guys think Batshuayi might become his go-to? Also, do you feel he'll deploy RLC or Barkley as his third midfielder?

    1. DJDave1979
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      If Batman could shoot straight, he'd be a starter by now. He can't, he isn't, he won't be.

  10. GAMBIT
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Ederson
    Robertson, Bailly, Cedric
    Salah, Sane, Richarlison, Cairney
    Aguero, Firmino, Arnie

    Stek, Ward, 4.5def, WB

    Who should the 4.5 defender be to rotate with Cedric?

    Thoughts on the team?

    1. Don Kloppeone
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Similar to mine so I like it, although I am on 4-3-3 at the moment with Stephens first sub

      Tomkins is a good option for 4.5 to rotate

      1. GAMBIT
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Already have Wan Bissaka

        1. Don Kloppeone
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Tough then as none of the other options are great...
          HUD def - Zanka/ Malone?

  11. Brosstan
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Long post with attempts at maths incoming.

    Normally when people compare Salah to other options they come to the conclusion that Salah is better value for money. I would like to offer an alternative analysis using Firmino + Mane vs Salah as an example that shows that the value of those investments are actually very close. Im basing my analysis on the idea that the normal value calculations using PPM as points divided by price is flawed.

    Flawed assumption: When calculating "value", consider the entire price of the player as your investment.

    I believe this is a mistake people make when calculating the value you get from your investment into different players. This is because the "100 million budget" we have to invest is not really 100 million. Its 100 million minus the baseline cost of each position. We cant invest 0 in a position. We are forced to spend 4.0 for defenders and GKs and 4.5 for mids and forwards. Therefore the real investment into a position is whatever additional money we choose to spend over the baseline. Its (price) - (baseline price), not just (price). For instance our investment into De Gea is 6.0 - 4.0 = 2.0. Its not 6.0. Our total real budget is not 100, its 100 - 64.0 = 36.0.

    How does this relate to Salah vs Mane + Firmino argument? Normally if you want to compare Salah with Mane + Firmino last season and look at how much value you get, you divide their points totals with the investment. Mane (147) and Firmino (181) got a total of 328 points last season. Salah got 303 points. If you use the entire price when calculating value, you would see Mane (9.5) + Firmino (9.5) = Total Investment (19.0) vs Salah Total Investment 13.0. Then you compare value by dividing the points totals with the investment. Mane + Firmino Value = 328/19.0 = 17.26 PPM vs Salah 303/13.0 = 23.3 PPM. Salahs PPM using this calculation is 35% better than Mane + Firmino. It looks like Salah is far and above the best value option, AND he has the added bonus of being just one player who you can captain.

    However, if you consider that your investment is not the same as the total price into the individual players, the value comparison is closer. Now it becomes Mane (5.0) + Firmino (5.0) ) = 10.0 "Millions Invested" vs Salah 8.5 "Millions Invested". Mane + Firmino value becomes 328/10.0 = 32.8 PPMI and Salah becomes 303/8.5 = 35.6 PPMI. Salahs value is still higher, but now only by 8.5%. Also remember that Mane lost a period with injuries and that Salah probably overperformed at least slightly (highest score ever makes this likely) its actually very very close between the two options.

    TLDR: The value between Salah and Mane + Firmino is very close. The biggest problem with not owning Salah is to find a captain option that is as good as him, but if for instance Kane, Auba, Hazard emerge you can get similar value from Salah with Mane + Firmino. Salah is not essential.

    1. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      The real critical mass value lies in the £7mill - £9.5mill (ish) range for mids and attackers, get those guys with Salah and you are in the gravy

    2. Hairy Potter
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Good write up. I think the ownership of Salah and number of people captaining him make it hard to avoid having him in your team.

    3. Mini Mane Mo
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Big IF for the players that you mention to emerge. Who else will you captain in the first two weeks?

    4. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Yep - it's all about the 36 baby 🙂

    5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      There are many word here

    6. GMBC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      The big if is captaincy. The gap between salah and the rest was so huge that ypu would be hardpressed to find another captain option.

      Right now Salah is eqivalent to two premium mids in your framework, but costs 5m less. So you should compare Salah + a 5m fwd/mid/def to Mane+Firmino

    7. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I was thinking along this lines a few weeks back, in terms of deducting the minimum position value from the player price, but more for overall team selection than analysing Salah’s value which I think is unquestionable (even this method shows Salah is still a better pick!)

      Also, I think the gap between them here should actually grow even more in favour of Salah as well if you expand the calculation to double salah’s Score and double only one of Firmino/mane’s score right?

    8. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Also disagree with the closing statement, in my opinion Salah is definitely essential.

      Starting GW1 without him seems like the FPL equivalent of driving a car without the seatbelt on to try to get it to go faster 🙂

    9. Holding Matip
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      This is a fair argument. However, if you are doing this analysis, you need to then reduce their points totals by the "minimum points".

      In your case, the lowest prices per position are as follows:
      4.0
      4.0
      4.5
      4.5

      However, of this lowest price you, as a manager should be picking players who are nailed. Therefore, a lowest priced team of £64.0m should get you 2 points each per appearance, i.e. 15x2 or 30 points.

      Applying this to individual players:

      Salah got 303 points last season. The minimum points for a 4.5 player is 2 appearance points and 38 appearances, i.e. 76 points. Therefore, by paying the extra 8.5m for Salah, you get an extra 227 points. This gives a "value" PPM of 26.705

      Mane and Firm got 328 points last season. The minimum points for 2 4.5 players is 2 appearance points and 76 appearances, i.e. 152 points. Therefore, by paying an extra 10.0 for both of them, you get an extra 176 points, giving a PPM of 17.60.

      In this case, Salah is nearly 52% more valuable.

      1. Brosstan
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I fundamentally disagree with the assumption of WGTA and others that the correct way of calculating value is to remove the appearance points. 5 appearance points are just as valuable as 5 points for a goal, and are part of what a player offers. I see how it makes sense to remove them when trying to find out who the talisman for a particular team is, but it does not make sense when calculating value.

    10. Ramboros
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I agree with your way of interpreting the price system of FPL. The easiest way to argue against the traditional way of calculating value is by increasing the price of every player by 10.0 and saying that you have a budget of 250. It's still only the final 36.0 that affects your players, but Salah priced at 23.0 compared to Stephens at 14.5 would look comparatively like way better value.

      The issue I have with your calculation is that you are comparing different amount of players. Add Quaner to the puzzle and you will raise Salah's value by a lot as Quaner is effectively a free player.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Imagine we added 1000 to each player and 15,000 to the budget.

        Stephens at 1004.5 or Salah at 1013.0.... hmmmmmm...

  12. Carlton P
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Thoughts on this front 8 to start gw1 with
    Salah / Mane / Sane / Mahrez / Rambo
    Zaha / Arnie / Quaner
    Two FTs needed to get Auba/Kun

    1. *sigh*
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Kun has HUD second game of the season

      1. Carlton P
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        So has Sane/Mahrez

  13. Toon_Army666
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Ederson + Robertsson

    Or

    Allison + Mendy

    Have Salah, Firm, Sane, Aguero

    1. A.T
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A

    2. Fire Chief Moe
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A.

    3. The Royal Robin
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A

    4. Coys96
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A

    5. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A of these...but would prefer 4.5 keeper & Robertson and Mendy

  14. Green Thunder
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    RMT
    Allison/Speroni
    Robertson/Shaw/Cedric/Daniels/wan brisaka
    Salah/sane/Ramsey/martial/richarlison
    Aba/Arnie/kamara

    Cheers

  15. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Shaw and bailly double anyone?

    1. The Royal Robin
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      One is enough imo.

    2. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Nope

  16. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    The more I think about Lacazette the more he appeals to me. Perfect price point for a Salah team to go alongside Firmino & Arnie up front. Possible swap to a Chelsea forward or any other 9.5 & below if it hasn’t worked out for him by GW4 international break

    1. The Royal Robin
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Hmm... Before last season I would of said yes, but he didn't exactly light the world up.

      1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Can’t think why he didn’t...

    2. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Could work, but I prefer Auba..

    3. Rasping Drive
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I didn’t see him play every game last season, but whenever I watched a game he didn’t seem the type of striker that has a lot of goals in him

  17. Trovsmash
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Pick one for Draft please
    A. Shaw
    B. Bertrand
    C. Lascelles

    1. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      B

    2. Coys96
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A

  18. Ask Yourself
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Thoughts on these please been struggling to get any feedback last couple 🙁

    Ederson

    PVA Davies Robertson

    Salah Hazard Richarlison Hughes Costa

    Aguero Arnie

    Lindegaard Mendy Sorloth Wan-Bissaka

    1. *sigh*
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Nice

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Why thank you very much

  19. JoBro
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    why are people saying Aguero not nailed?

    1. RashFraud
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Day drinking

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Because of Jesus

  20. RashFraud
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Any love for Will Hughes? Or are there better options at 5.0?

    1. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      My favourite option he is huge in that Watford team when fit can’t believe he’s 5.0

    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Cairney

    3. *sigh*
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Hard to pick a starter for Watford they have so many players listed.Hughes could be good pick although I’ve gone for Pereyra.

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I think now rich is gone they line up like this

        Deeney/Gray
        Pererya Hughes Deulofeu
        Chalobah Doucoure
        Defence is a guess other the kabasele
        Foster

    4. RaggedKnight
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      He's showing up in a lot of RMTs at the moment. Cairney/Neves for me though.

    5. Hairy Potter
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Kenedy, once Newcastle’s fixtures improve

  21. Winston.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Pick one;

    A. Eriksen in 352
    B. Firmino in 343

    A or B? Things to consider; Spurs not full strength in the first gameweeks? Firmino returning to training on Aug,1....

    Thanks.

    1. RaggedKnight
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Depends who the third striker is in A. B gives you more balance.

      1. Winston.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        4.5 forward in A and 4.5 mid in B...

  22. Stevie B
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Is this team okay?

    Foster, Fabianski
    Coleman, Baily, Robertson, Cedric, Wan-Bissaka
    Salah, Eriksen, David Silva, Cairny, Chalobah
    Agüero, Firmino, Quaner

    Help is appreciate. Thank you!

    1. A.T
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Chalobah hasn’t featured yet in pre season.

    2. RaggedKnight
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I'd downgrade Dilva, push Chalobah up to a 5.0 and try to improve on Quaner if you can, keep that spot useful.

  23. Chrisirwin01
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Need some ideas:

    Formation: unknown

    GK: De Gea & Speroni
    Def: Van Dijk, Shaw, Mendy, Wan-Bissaka & Peltier
    Mid: Sanchez, Salah, Richarlison, Jota & _________
    Fwd: Augero, Tosun & _________

    £10.5 mil funds. Any advise?

    Thinking a 3-5-2 is the way to go, with Van Dijk, Shaw & Mendy looking good for the first 3-5 GWs. Especially, with the extent of the Valencia injury expected to be worse than first thought.

  24. Whats the Mata?
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone going with heaton with pope out?

    1. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Maybe depends how long, of it’s 8 prem matches or longer then yeah

    2. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Depends if Heaton is out too!

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Hopefully a nice 4m lindegaard there to sort that out! But they are conveniently delaying his and grant’s pricing in case they become 4m starters for a couple of weeks ffs

        1. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Fascists!

          1. Ask Yourself
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 6 months ago

            Trump style fascism hiding it from the disgusting plain sight it would be

  25. The Royal Robin
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    A or B?

    Ederson
    Coleman Robertson PVA Shaw
    Richarlison Salah Jota Sanchez
    Arnie Kun

    Button Neves Daniels Quaner

    DDG*
    Coleman Robertson PVA Mendy*
    Richarlison Salah Mahrez*
    Wood* Arnie Kun

    Button Neves AWB* Stephens*

    1. supersham
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A for me

  26. supersham
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Trying to nail down my team early this year..

    How's this looking?

    Draft 10

    Foster

    Robbo Pva Mendy Cedric

    Salah Marhez Rich

    Auba Firmino Arnie..

    Fab Stephens Peltier Gunn

  27. Bulldogs FC
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Defence.
    Robertson, Bailly, Daniels, Schlupp (punt..I think he's oop), Peltier

    Currently 0.5 itb, don't know if I'll use it on DF.

    Any thoughts? Change/Keep?

    1. supersham
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Daniels to Cedric imo and hold the .5

      1. Bulldogs FC
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I had him in a previous draft. Did Cedric > Schlupp though cause I wasn't sure if he will start from GW1, also not convinced by Saints defence in general..but at least I can hope for better attacking return than Daniels

  28. Snevitz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    What do you think of this 532?

    Schmeicel (Chelsea)
    Robertson, Mendy, Maquire/Bailey, Lovren, Sakho
    Salah, Sane, Silva
    Auba, Arnie

    Boruc, Kenedy, Ward, Kamara

    1. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Too much money in the defense. Downgrade two defenders and upgrade elsewhere...

      1. The Royal Robin
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        He's playing 532 so it makes sense to put more money into his defence. You wouldn't want 5 4.0's in a 532.

        1. Winston.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          True, you’re right. But I’m not gonna play 532.

  29. Winston.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Who’s your pick of these 6-7 m forwards ? Arnie, Zaha, Tosun, King, Austin, Wood...
    Thanks.

    1. Rigid Digit
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Tosun

      With Sigurdsson and Richarlison behind him he should be firing

      1. Winston.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        What about Arnie/Zaha + Richarlison...is Tosun nailed? Niasse etc. also getting minutes ?

        1. Rigid Digit
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Niasse may get time, but I think only from the bench.
          Tosun looks strong and if supplied will fire

          Not convinced by either Arnie or Zaha - rebranding as Forwards may reduce returns.
          Plus West Ham are unpredictable (they look good on paper, but can they translate that to actual points consistently?), and their fixtures look a bit tough until Nov/Dec

    2. DgeneX
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      This is how I would rank them:
      1) Arnie
      2) Zaha (if he stays and plays ST for most of remaining pre-season)
      3) King
      4) Wood
      5) Tosun
      6) Austin

      Taking into account the different prices of the players.

      1. The Royal Robin
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Is King nailed?

      2. Winston.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Excellent. Thanks.

      3. Chrisirwin01
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I don't see the attraction with Arnie, especially looking at West Ham's opening fixture. Perhaps I'm overlooking something.

    3. Birds of Prey
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Tosun
      Arno

      rest are not nailed. IMO GL

      1. Winston.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        ...Zaha not nailed?

    4. Bulldogs FC
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Arnie + Zaha for me (if Zaha moves I'll reconsider)

    5. Y26 Royal
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Had Tosun for a while but not totally convinced Niasse might steal some gametime.
      Arnie fixtures are putting people off but i reckon he's the best choice.
      Lot of people loving Wood but don't think Burnley will be as good this year.
      Austin would be good IF he stays fit (unlikely!).
      Don't think Zaha will play upfront, likely back to the wing.
      King doesn't score enough.

      1. adamc
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        If you re do Arnies and Zaha's points last year if classified as FWDs it comes down to about 120 each. Wood got 104 in 900 and 700 less minutes respectively, with double the BPs.

        I like Burnley's opening fixtures and am willing to bypass the herd as a bit of a point of difference. Hopefully he holds the spot ahead of Vokes.

  30. Hairy Potter
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Currently looking at a set up like below

    Fab, 4.5
    Robertson, Mendy, Cedric, 4.5, Wan-Bis
    Salah, Sane, Mahrez, 7.5, 4.5
    Aub, Tosun, 4.5

    Beginning to wonder whether to downgrade my midfield and go for a team with Salah, Aub and Aguero, so it’s easier to bring in Kane for Aguero/Aub.

    1. Birds of Prey
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I'm rotating Lossl w/Fab, might switch to SH keeper if that becomes clear.