Scout Notes

Why Werner blanked at West Brom and whether to hold or sell him for FPL Gameweek 4

West Brom 3-3 Chelsea

  • Goals: Callum Robinson x2 (£5.5m), Kyle Bartley (£4.5m) | Mason Mount (£6.9m), Callum Hudson-Odoi (£5.8m), Tammy Abraham (£7.3m)
  • Assists: Matheus Pereira (£6.0m), Darnell Furlong (£4.5m) | Cesar Azpilicueta (£5.9m), Kai Havertz (£8.4m), Mount
  • Bonus points: C Robinson x3, Mount x2, Reece James x1 (£5.1m)

Timo Werner (£9.4m) remains goalless in the Premier League after Chelsea’s trip to West Bromwich Albion did not go according to plan.

The German international had been understandably turned to by 800,000+ Fantasy Premier League managers for the Gameweek 3 captaincy only to be rewarded with nothing more than a two-point score.

As some start to lose patience in Werner, it serves to analyse what went wrong for him on Saturday evening as there were, admittedly, some mitigating circumstances behind his first blank of the campaign.

Tammy Abraham’s (£7.3m) impressive EFL Cup performance midweek was enough to convince Frank Lampard to hand the centre-forward role to him at the Hawthorns, which shifted Werner onto the left-hand side of a 4-2-3-1.

That left him with less time in the penalty box than his 35% ownership would have liked, but Chelsea’s abysmal start to the game in defence did not help him either.

The Blues gifted three goals to West Bromwich Albion inside the first 27 minutes which eased any pressure on the hosts considerably. Each time Chelsea conceded, the Baggies sat deeper and deeper inside their five-man defence and bank of four midfielders, making life much harder for any visiting attacker to find some space.

That said, there was one moment in the first half that Werner and his owners will view with regret. In the 14th minute, Mason Mount (£6.9m) finally managed to find some space around the back of left-back Conor Townsend (£4.5m), squaring to Werner, who crashed his short-range shot against Sam Johnstone‘s (£4.5m) crossbar.

Chelsea’s issues in other areas of the team then counted against Werner in the second half as Cesar Azpilicueta (£5.9m) replaced Marcos Alonso (£6.0m) and winger Callum Hudson-Odoi (£5.8m) came on for Mateo Kovačić (£5.5m).

With Hudson-Odoi on the pitch, who prefers to operate on the left-flank of attacking midfield as an inside forward, Lampard catered that with his formation tweak, shifting Werner onto the right-hand side.

“Callum (Hudson-Odoi) gave me everything I asked and wanted from him in terms of his ability to go one-on-one, trying to take people on. He got his goal. That’s what Callum needs to do. That’s the sort of impact he can have for us and it has to be consistent. He gave himself a great platform now to continue in that vain. He’ll be very important for us if he does.” – Frank Lampard

And when Olivier Giroud (£6.9m) took to the field in the place of Thiago Silva (£5.5m), enabling Lampard to pair the Frenchman with Abraham up-front in a 3-5-2, Werner was even further away from the danger areas.

During the final 15 minutes of the game, the only opportunity Chelsea’s number 11 had was when he emerged unmarked at the back post following a corner, only to see his powerful shot blocked by Kyle Bartley (£4.5m).

Would Chelsea have had to make these slew of changes to their side had they not gone 3-0 down in the opening half-an-hour? Almost certainly not. Would Werner have been better suited to this game had West Bromwich Albion not retreated into a deep block after a perfect start to the game? Almost certainly.

Perhaps that is the question his owners should consider ahead of the visit of Crystal Palace to Stamford Bridge in Gameweek 4. And even if Werner is deployed on the left-hand side of Chelsea’s attack again for that match, the Eagles’ have struggled to defend that area of the pitch in recent months. As Jan Sienkiewicz reminded us in a recent Captain Sensible article, the following left-sided players registered at least one attacking return facing them during Project Restart:

  • Sadio Mané (£11.9m) – goal
  • Harvey Barnes (£7.0m) – two assists
  • Christian Pulisic (£8.3m) – goal
  • Daniel Podence (£5.6m) – goal
  • Marcus Rashford (£9.5m) – goal and assist

Furthermore, the fitness of Pulisic and Hakim Ziyech (£7.9m) remain in the equation for Werner’s Fantasy appeal. The penetrative runs offered by the American, and Ziyech’s exceptionally creative abilities would have been the perfect tools to break down West Bromwich Albion’s deep block on Saturday, and could be important when facing Palace in Gameweek 4 – something to keep an eye on in Lampard’s upcoming press conferences.

Meanwhile, owners of Kai Havertz (£8.4m) are likely at a crossroads following his contribution to this game. Like Werner, the disastrous start to the game for Chelsea did take its toll, but a chance to operate as a number 10 produced the German’s best performance in a Premier League game so far.

Admittedly, he was making that improvement from a low base, but there were still encouraging signs. The question is: has it come soon enough for his 8.8% ownership to retain their faith for one more week.

In the 10th minute, Havertz picked the ball up on the right-hand edge of the penalty box and unleashed a powerful curling effort. Johnstone could not hold onto it, forced to punch it clear.

Then in the closing stages, the former Bayer Leverkusen man found some space in a central area of the penalty box, but his deflected shot went out for a corner.

And it was his link-up with Hudson-Odoi that got Chelsea closer to their hard-earned point in the 70th minute. That assist was his first attacking return of the season, making four a five-point score. Considering the interest in Blues assets this week, that is certainly less than was probably expected by his owners.

Chelsea’s ongoing defensive issues did not help Reece James‘ (£5.1m) Fantasy appeal, who has now blanked in two of his three Premier League outings this season.

Just as was the case against Brighton in Gameweek 1, the Blues were weakest in the full-back areas, and West Bromwich Albion were ruthless in capitalising on that at the Hawthorns.

In the fourth minute, a poor defensive header from Alonso landed at the feet of Matheus Pereira (£6.0m), who slid his pass across to Callum Robinson (£5.5m), who had escaped from James’ notice. He fired an effort across Willy Caballero (£4.9m) into the bottom corner, securing a third attacking return in as many matches for Pereira.

“I didn’t blame the players, I stated the facts on the clear mistakes that led to the goals. It is always going to be difficult in a game like this. It is not a tactical moment, it is a turnover in possession which we spoke about before.” – Frank Lampard

It may also be a little while until Silva adds much-needed stability to Chelsea’s backline as he slipped and gifted possession to Robinson for the third goal. It was Alonso who lost Bartley for the third goal, although it was poor awareness from James that played the West Bromwich Albion defender onside.

“Thiago Silva is going to be fantastic for us. He has been incredible in his career and absolutely, I will not look at him. I can talk about the mistakes, they are clear and I am open and honest about that. We are a team but we have to react around that and, to be fair, the team did in the second half. But, there is nothing on Thiago, I am sure he will stand up and say it was a mistake. But other than that, I thought he was pretty faultless in the game.” – Frank Lampard

Chelsea were much more secure with Azpilicueta coming on at left-back and they should have Edouard Mendy (£5.0m) in goal by the time they face Crystal Palace. Chelsea traditionally more porous in away games, having conceded 42 goals in 21 road trips since the start of last season, more than any other Premier League side since the start of last season. Although the Eagles might not be the best side to face at home right now, as Roy Hodgson’s men have recently developed a propensity for frustrating top-six sides on their own turf.

Meanwhile, the quality of James’ attacking contributions were not quite up to his usual standard at the Hawthorns.

His best pass arrived at the foot of Abraham in the 11th minute, which the striker skied horribly, but aside from that, James’ delivery was all about quantity and not quality. While he fired in a slew of crosses into the box all night, against a three-man defence, he struggled to find his team-mates too often.

Furthermore, James’ delivery from corners was also rather substandard, Chelsea offering much more in that department once Mount took over responsibility for them. As has been mentioned before, James is likely to lose corners and indirect free-kicks from his locker as soon as Ziyech returns to fitness anyway.

West Bromwich Albion XI (5-4-1): Johnstone; C Townsend, O’Shea, Bartley, Ajayi, Furlong; Diangana (M Phillips 74′), Sawyers, Livermore, M Pereira (Field 90+1′); C Robinson (Robson-Kanu 66′).

Chelsea XI (4-2-3-1): Caballero; Alonso (Azpilicueta 46′), T Silva (Giroud 73′), Christensen, R James; Kovačić (Hudson-Odoi 46′), Kanté; Werner, Havertz, Mount; Abraham.

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  1. GreennRed
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    The Ram made 7 saves today but not 8!

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Wont play Leeds everyday

  2. Captain Hindsight
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Any comments welcome, think this is good to go

    Martinez
    TAA / Saïss / James
    Salah / KDB / Klich / Zaha
    Ings / Jiménez / DCL

    Forster / Mitchell / Lamptey / Anguissa

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Looks same as everyones

    2. Bleh
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Not sure about Saiss, otherwise looks good!

  3. Cok3y5murf
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Too lazy to read this article. What's the conclusion?

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      More brainwashing

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Essential

  4. FPL_Devil
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts?
    Ryan (Walton)
    TAA Digne Shaw KWP (Ferguson)
    Salah KDB Podence (ASM, Burke)
    Werner Martial Mitrovic
    All chips left. 0.9 itb. 1 FT.
    Cheers!

    1. FPL_Crisis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      You’re in trouble. Needs more penalty takers

      1. FPL_Devil
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah. I kind of want to wait 1 more week and WC in an international break. Good idea?

  5. FPL_Crisis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    I need the @alwayscheating boys to show me how to MakeFantasyFunAgain

    If I’ve learnt anything in the first 3 gameweeks it’s for all the eye tests, predicted form or kind run of fixtures...if you don’t have penalty takers in your team you’re in trouble

    1. Groot the Leveller
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I've just bought 2....

  6. OptimusBlack
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Get two from those for long term
    A - Jiménez
    B- Vardy
    C- DCL but have Rodríguez
    D- Bamford

    1. HaffNanner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A and C

    2. WVA
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A
      B

  7. HaffNanner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    A. James Rodriguez and Maddison

    B. Bruno Fernandes and Soucek

    1. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      b

  8. IRBOX ⚽
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    -8 couldn’t have worked out much worse: Adams (5), Davies (2), Auba (?) > Jimenez (0), Saiss (0), Son (1). Ouch. This game huh.

    1. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      yikes that is very bad. not sure why people take -8 hits so early in the season when the points are so close together

      1. IRBOX ⚽
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        That’s the time to take hits and build value mate. I’m not looking at in isolation. Davies has lost his place, Adams is crap and now I can get KDB for Son so I’m still expecting it to pay off long term. Can’t be so myopic in your thinking

    2. The Fed
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I transferred in Son and Hamez for a -4, took out Harrison and Auba. Son could have had 2 goals and 2 assist in that first half though. Risk worth taking tbh.

  9. Brosstan
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    De bruyne will leave' city after this season. Bunch of bottlers don't deserve him

    1. Nightcrawler
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Belgium are bottlers too...i wonder whats the connection

    2. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Where would he go?

      1. GreennRed
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Wherever Pep goes.

  10. The Senate
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Bavies got to go, 0.5ITB
    (A) Semedo
    (B) Coleman
    (C) Taylor
    (D) Lamptey?

    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      D

  11. Shark Team
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Vardy Ings KDB DCL my 4 captain candidates for next gw.
    Going with the same captain despite his blank often works for me as less people captain him so I'm gonna do it with KDB I think.
    Other one who will surely score 8+ pts imo is Danny Ings who has a great history against WBA. Against them had scored his only Liverpool PL goal. While one more time he faced them was at a Burnley shirt in a 2-2 home draw where he scored one and assisted another.
    So what do you say KDB or Ings?

    1. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      KDB. City always tend to bounce back after a bad game

    2. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      De Bruyne.

    3. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      i think at the back of a 5-2 home defeat, city will score plenty at leeds. kdb for me. owning ings is enough

  12. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Which move for next gw?
    A) Werner to Vardy
    B) Dier to Castagne/Digne

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      i prefer b

    2. BremerHB
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A. Tough one though.

  13. BremerHB
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts on this WC draft?

    Guaita - Steer
    TAA - KWP - Lamptey - Saiss - Mitchell
    Salah - KDB - Barnes - Pereira/Trossard - Stephens
    DCL - Jimi - Ings

    Which one from Trossard/Pereira would be the preferred pick? Or worth downgrading Guaita to Martinez and upgrade one of the 6.0 mids to Foden? Fancy a nailed on CP defender/keeper for their good run.

    1. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Pereira over Trossard, nice team

      1. BremerHB
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks. Is he on penalties for WBA?

  14. kenzo.
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Which looks the best option out of these

    McCarthy
    Taa Robbo Justin KWP (Vinagre)
    Sterling salah Son* Klich (Reed)
    Kane Mitrovic (Davis)

    A. Save FT and play Vinagre
    B. Son to Mahrez/Barnes
    C. Son and Kane to Bruno and Ings for -4

    1. BremerHB
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A I reckon

      1. kenzo.
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks... A 532 looks so ugly though

    2. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

      1. kenzo.
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks... Which of the two would you prefer?

        1. GreennRed
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Barnes

          1. kenzo.
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Cool thanks

    3. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      C

      1. kenzo.
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks would you consider DCL or richarlison over Ings?

  15. MarcusAurelius
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts please. Roll FT or use 1.5mil itb to upgrade somewhere.

    Martinez
    Justin Digne Lamptey
    Salah KDB Fernandes Klich
    Wilson DCL Jiménez

    Steer Shaw Mitchell Bissouma

  16. mr messi
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Would you do Mitrovic to DCL? Have enough in the bank

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      yes

    2. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Mitro good fixtures coming up

    3. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      For free.

  17. King Kohli
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Better combo on a WC?

    A. Jimenez & Saiss
    B. Maupay & Robbo

    1. mr messi
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

  18. FISSH
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Son to

    A) zaha
    B) barnes
    C) maddison

    1. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Barnes.

    2. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

    3. Tcheco
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B although Maddison could be an ultra differential

      1. DangerFC
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        What tcheco said

  19. DMP
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Sterling or Kdb?

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Kdb

  20. 824545201
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    On WC:

    A) KdB, Trossard, Lamptey

    B) Mahrez, Rashford, Vinagre

    1. DangerFC
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B offers more diversity for gaining points

    2. Traction Engine Foot
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

  21. DangerFC
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Son and werner to Barnes and vardy? For a hit -4

  22. iL PiStOlErO
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Ramsdale Steer
    TAA KWP Mitchell Taylor Justin
    Salah Sterling Son Romeu Bisso
    Vardy Werner Davies

    2ft, 0.5 itb

    All different but what wouod you choose:

    A) Son + Werner to Bruno + DCL

    B) Son + Werner to Rashford + Jimenez

    C) Son + Werner to James + Martial

    D) Son to Rash

    E) Son to James

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      E

    2. Kay317
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A. Any advice on below?

    3. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

    4. DangerFC
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Barnes or madison looked sharp today. Nice fixtures coming up

      1. Kay317
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Not sure maddison is ready for 90 yet. Seems to be closely managing minutes for him.

  23. Kay317
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Delap and Son to...

    1) Ings and:
    A) Pereira
    B) Trossard
    C) Bowen

    2) Or bring in Rash for Son and be done with it.

    3) Son and Delap to Mahrez and Maupay. Like the look of Maupay at the mo. Would leave me with KDB, Foden and Mahrez.

    Was hoping to do Son to Bruno but left 0.1 short.

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Delap lol.

      3

      1. Kay317
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        He was just fodder. Like Brewster for many but thought he may get some minutes. Which he did.
        You don't think 3 is too much city cover?

    2. Traction Engine Foot
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      1A

    3. iL PiStOlErO
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      2 out of these

  24. Kodap
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Martinez (Steer)
    Trent - Saiss - Taylor (Lamptey & Dallas)
    Salah - KDB - Foden - Podence (Burke)
    Ings - Jimmy - DCL

    Used my FT to do Werner > Ings this week. 1.1m ITB, anything else pressing that needs changing?

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Werner will punish you

    2. Kay317
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      All good

    3. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Was really no need for Foden either but would hold

      1. Kodap
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Could do Foden to a max 7.6m midfielder for a -4?

  25. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Castagne getting assists and back up attacks, great player, he is a must for me

    1. Traction Engine Foot
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Basically the only defender doing anything atm.

      1. The 12th Man
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Coleman

    2. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Justin ridiculously attacking too

  26. Bleh
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    A or B guys?

    A. VVD, Justin, Jimenez
    B. Castagne, KWP, Vardy

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

    2. iL PiStOlErO
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

  27. camarozz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    After what you have seen this wk end would u go Ings or Jimi?

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Jimi

    2. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Ings

    3. FF Dirtbag
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Probably both.

      1. camarozz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Well I'm tempted by both for Martial+Werner but it would be for a hit and might just give Werner one more chance

  28. The-Red-1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Who do I downgrade to free up funds for Son to Bruno? 1m itb so need to save 0.5.

    Saiss to Lampety
    Podence to Soucek
    Klich to Soucek

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

  29. The 12th Man
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Tyler Lockett 3 TD’s! In the first half.
    31 points.

    1. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      His sister Lucy will be pleased

      1. The 12th Man
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Nice one

  30. FF Dirtbag
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Done Son to Barnes already for my FT. I did a -8 last GW but should i

    A) keep Werner
    B) Werner - > Ings or Vardy for - 4?