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The Digest – Gameweek Eleven

The leader of the pack delivers for Wolves. Bolton tear into a leg-weary Stoke to avenge an FA Cup humiliation and Robin Van Persie takes a hit, as Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers are given every reason to dislike Mondays…

The Player

We’ve waited for Jamie O’Hara to deliver. For weeks we’ve had him bubbling under as a Scout Pick’s consideration, pondering when his contribution to the Wolves effort will translate into Fantasy returns. We suspected it would come as soon as Mick McCarthy’s side could turn the corner and earn their first win since gameweek two. Almost inevitably, lowly Wigan were on the receiving end of a Wolves revival with O’Hara the protagonist in a 3-1 win.

A 15-point FPL haul was signposted. Our Members can see for themselves how O’Hara matches up to some of the leading Fantasy targets this season – how his creativity and threat are integral to Wolves’ chances of saving their Premier League status.

With an FPL valuation of 5.7, O’Hara’s goal and two assists seems likely to rouse interest. Right now, however, investment in O’Hara is being dwarfed by the interest shown in this weekend’s other midfield revelations – Bolton’s Chris Eagles and Norwich’s Anthony Pilkington. Both are cheaper than the Wolves man and have also shown greater consistency when it comes to returns this season.

It’s difficult to make a case for O’Hara then, although we’re pretty certain that if McCarthy can get the Wolves ship on steady waters, O’Hara will be back amongst the points on a regular basis.

The Team

Having slipped to eight defeats in nine league games, Bolton unleashed a goal frenzy on a weary Stoke City at the Reebok. Owen Coyle’s men were relentless, led by the attacking verve of reborn Chris Eagles and the recalled Ivan Klasnic.

The Croatian had a point to prove having dropped down the pecking order following his foolish red card in the gameweek five defeat to Norwich. Since then David Ngog has emerged as a contender up front, while Coyle has dropped Kevin Davies to the bench as he juggled his formation and tactics. Klasnic was back in the lineup against Stoke however, with Kevin Davies alongside him. The Potters, suffering a Europa League hangover once again, had no answer to Bolton’s desire to banish the demons of last season’s humiliating FA Cup semi-final defeat.

The emergence of Chris Eagles is of particular interest to Fantasy managers. The winger has become a major component in Coyle’s plans and, having completed 90 minutes in the last four league games, appears to have surpassed Martin Petrov as a reliable creative force, with a heightened goal threat thrown in.

Three goals and four assists is a healthy return for a midfielder priced at just 5.3 in the FPL game. While Petrov languished on the bench, Eagles seized the opportunity to take centre stage. It’s hard to say how long his flame will burn, but with Bolton entering a run of favourable enough fixtures, short-term investment seems sound.

The Talking Point

Monday morning brought a chain of events that boiled the frustration of many Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers. Having delivered another huge points haul in the 3-0 win over West Brom, Robin Van Persie lost the assist awarded for Thomas Vermaelen’s goal and dropped in the EA PPI rankings, denying him a single bonus point. Those who captained Van Persie suffered an 8-point drop in their total – green arrows suddenly turned into red – I speak from experience.

It’s hard to pin down the real issues at play here. Is it frustration with the criteria used to judge an assist? The fact that a touch from Gervinho would be enough to cancel out the cross from Van Persie which eventually found it’s way to Vermaelen’s boot?

Perhaps it’s more the process of the points being removed, the fact that it took forty-eight hours for the points awarded on Saturday, to be stripped on Monday morning.

The fact is, Gervinho touched Van Persie’s cross. That was not only the judgement of the Press Association after Monday’s review. It was also the call made by Opta who also awarded a “Goal Assist” to the Ivorian on Saturday night.

Like it or not, then, no Fantasy game in the land gave the assist to Van Persie – it’s not included in the Sky game, it’s not included in the Fantasy League and, while the Telegraph give Van Persie a “Key Contribution”, they also award the same to Gervinho – recognising that he got a touch on the Dutchman’s cross.

We had the Van Persie assist for forty-eight hours but it was never ours to have. We can argue it – re-examine footage but where do we draw the line with such disputes?

When two data providers, charged with supplying correct and accurate data for statistical purposes both say Gervinho touched it, it’s clear we’re fighting a losing battle. The same could be said of Gareth Bale’s “goal” at Fulham – the Press Association don’t stand alone here either – Bale’s goal has been awarded by Opta and all the major Fantasy Games. At what point do we have to shut up and put up?

It also seems unlikely that the new definition of an assist within the FPL ruleset is to blame in the Van Persie’s case. There were examples last season, when this definition wasn’t around, where the slightest of touches took an assist from the supplier of a cross. If an attacking player gets a touch on a cross, a flicked header for example – they gain the assist if a goal is then resultantly scored, not the cross provider. We should be used to this by now.

Van Persie’s cross was intended for Gervinho – the Ivorian fluffed his lines, missed the cross but appeared to divert the ball with his back leg after swinging with the right. A bungled, unintentional intervention but, in terms of the significance of the touch, just how far apart is this from a flick off a player’s hairline on the near post? For all the frustration, once we accept that Gervinho touched the ball, it’s hard to argue against the assist going his way.

Unless of course we push for the whole definition of an assist to be changed. Perhaps such a touch from Gervinho shouldn’t be rewarded? After all, he never intended for the ball to end up Vermaelen’s path when he swung his leg.

Interestingly, Opta have two definitions for an assist; a “goal assist” -which Gervinho earned- and an “intentional assist” – which clearly he didn’t. Do we need and want a similar system applied to the FPL – should we only reward a player if he genuinely intended to set up the scorer?

Perhaps we want the Telegraph’s Key Contribution instead – a system where more than one player can be awarded points for their role in creating a goal – in this case both Van Persie and Gervinho would have benefited.

I’m not sure that a perfect solution is available, but we can and will debate this further. While the definition of an assist in the FPL is clear, it does create cases that cause frustration and perhaps offer the need for things to be re-examined.

Personally, I’m far more frustrated by assists being awarded after positive intervention from a defender (a clearance). Demba Ba’s assist for Ryan Taylor’s goal against Everton being the latest case in point. That’s my own crusade and one I’ll go on pursuing.

Don’t get me wrong. While I’m firmly in the camp that we have to accept the fact that Van Persie did not earn an assist, I’m also aware that things are far from perfect.

It’s worth noting that the FPL did act as a result of Monday’s events by adding clarity to the rules concerning the revision of decisions. They now state the following:

“All assists are reviewed daily but remain provisional until verified by the Press Association. For the avoidance of doubt, points awarded in-game are subject to change until the Gameweek closes. Once a Gameweek closes, no further adjustments to points will be made.”

Better. Nobody can be in doubt now that, until the bonus points are allocated, assists can be added and removed. Whether we’re comfortable with that is another matter. The view is that it’s better to arrive at the correct decision later, than make a call in twenty-four hours or less and get it wrong. Again, it’s hard to argue against this. We all want a fair outcome – had Van Persie kept his assist in the FPL, it would have been the only Fantasy game to award it. That surely would not have been a fair outcome.

We want live updates on our scores, but perhaps if a decision is subject to review, at that point the associated points could be removed. Perhaps that would make the potential pill easier to swallow. Perhaps communication on decisions under review is also required.

Monday’s events have clearly raised a number of issues and, while, in my view, we have to put the specific case of Van Persie’s assist to bed, the classification of assists and the allocation of points under review, remain hot potatoes that will clearly spark further debate. Listen out for the next podcast is all I can say.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
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    12 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone care to pass comment on my team I'm at a loss what to do next tempted to leave it,
    1 free transfer 0 in bank.

    Krul/Vorm
    Naylor/Raylor/Enrique/Jones/Kompany
    Silva/Vdv/Dyer/Brunt/Walters
    Ade/Rvp/Aguero

    Is there anything to strengthen don't want to make a transfer for the sake of it,
    Was thinking maybe Naylor to Wilkinson, but with Stoke leaking goals lately not so sure

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    1. mlmc123
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      12 years, 6 months ago

      good keepers
      good frontline definately leave tht despite aguero dropping
      asfor the midfield maybe if ur looking a short-term u cud get dyer out cos of his fixtures but other thn tht like it
      as for naylor for swansea id k, decent keep him in, decent long-term value. when stoke have all there defnders fit in a few weeks wilko may not be certain to get starts really, whereas naylor will.
      so id stick with wht u have no need for real change imo

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    2. piers
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      Great team! Maybe think about Walters if he stays in midfield

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      1. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
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        Ok thanks guys

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  2. mlmc123
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    ok thanks definately wont wildcard then so should i
    a) go petrov to drenthe/ sessegnon if so who
    b) go given to vorm for the long term and do the above and take a 4pt hit which im very reluctant to do
    c) just go given to drenthe

    i want to this tonight as petrov and more so given are set to drop in price

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    1. piers
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      12 years, 6 months ago

      Def go with C. An extra midfielder for a goalkeeper with bad fixtures is awesome! 😉

      Westwood has nice fixtures as an alternative to Vorm.

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      1. mlmc123
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        12 years, 6 months ago

        so should i prioritise given to vorm or westwood
        as a transfer
        or as people said on my earlier thread
        prioritise getting petrov out for drenthe/sessegnon

        the rest of my midfield is silva vdv walter tiote and my other keeps is ruddy

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    2. FF Dirtbag
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      12 years, 6 months ago

      Just get Vorm in, he will sort out all ur problems. Leave it at that for the week. I'm playing Vorm vs ManU ...

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  3. Football is Life
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    Can you rate out of 100% who is likely to play on the 19th out of the following players.

    Nani
    Aguero
    Dzeko

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    1. andy85wsm
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      12 years, 6 months ago

      Were the multiple replies on the last page not enough?

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  4. piers
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    I'm on the Sunderland bandwagon! Westwood, Sess and Bendy. Might even take a 4 point hit. Red-wine-inspired transfers are never a good idea though, right?

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    1. mlmc123
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      12 years, 6 months ago

      think three sunderland is a bit excessive if im hnonest id have one of sess or bendy probably sess

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  5. Beadling Boy
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    12 years, 6 months ago

    I have 2 FT's this GW. What would you suggest I change with this team:

    Vorm, (Krul),
    Kompany, Enrique, Jones, (Simpson, NTaylor),
    VDV, Nani, Silva, Ramsey, BJohnson,
    RVP, Aguero, (Velios)

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    1. mlmc123
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      12 years, 6 months ago

      instinct says jones because u can never be sure if he will play
      also i think ur midfield is top heavy and upfront too weak with velios
      maybe downgrade jones to a cheapie defender maybe wes brown as sunderland have excellent fixtures coming up
      use the extra money gained from tht to upgrade velios imo

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      1. piers
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        +1

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        1. mlmc123
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          wht does tht mean

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      2. FF Dirtbag
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        You're kidding me right... he is the one who is on form in the ManU defence at the moment, and with smalling injured and the twins not match fit, he is always gonna be the man playing, even with the others back he is gonna play. SAF needs stability at the back and i think he has come to realise that recently so expect the same back 4 for a while!!

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        1. Beadling Boy
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          Thanks, guys, for your feedback. Much appreciated!

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  6. Gunners2020
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    Hey guys, Any suggestions on improving my team bearing in mind I have no cash in the bank

    Vorm (Westwood)

    R Taylor Enrique Evans (Wilkinson, Simpson)
    Drenthe Ramsey VDV Silva (Ferguson)
    Suarez Rooney RVP

    I am thinking Rooney will be moved back up front after the International break once Man U get some players back from injury (I am hoping anyways)

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    1. mlmc123
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      ye like the look of tht frontline if rooney actually plays
      maybe get rid of evans for a cheap swansea defender

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  7. Mak_Gold
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      Who will double rise first-Ramsey or Bale?

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      1. mlmc123
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        bale defo

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        1. Mak_Gold
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Ramsey went up on Saturday night.You think Bale will still go up first?

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        2. FF Dirtbag
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          Bale had a more stand out weekend, compared to Ramsey. Can see him doubling up faster, people will be thinking he will be raking the points in again for the bit he did last season!

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          1. Mak_Gold
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Cheers.

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        3. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
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          Jones or Lescott?

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          1. andy85wsm
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            Jones

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          2. mlmc123
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            jones only just kmpny better long term thn booth

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        4. piers
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          12 years, 6 months ago

          Are Arsenal now playing a similar style to Chelski with 3 up top (RVP flanked by Walcott and Gervinho)?

          And, if so, does this mean that Ramsey will be a Modric-style player, giving the last pass before the assist?

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          1. applebonkers
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            it is a bit worrying that ramsey hasn't assisted any of arsenal's 8 goals in their last 2 games. i can't see this being a permanent thing though, just hasn't happened last 2 games

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            1. Clintymints
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              He'll be alrite for 6 mil and those fixts in a good team he'll get some pts

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          2. Gargamel
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            Positions in modern football are always a bit difficult do pinpoint in my opinion, but the distinction between Arsenal and Chelsea here is that the Chelsea wingers in general play wider and start out higher up the pitch. The Arsenal wingers will more often collect the ball further down the pitch.

            What all this means to Ramsey I don't know, Spurs definitely don't play with 3 up front. I think Ramsey's position won't be his main problem. He has every chance to be a good FPL prospect this year imo, but I do think he's still inconsistent and somewhat wasteful.

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          3. Joe
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            The Gunners have played that way for a long time, RVP always up the middle (when fit) and flanked by either Walcott, Gervinho or Arshavin. Ramsey and Arteta play further back in the heart of midfield, but Ramsey in particular plays further forward than Arteta. I'm not sure I would classify either as a Modric-style player, but I think Arteta is the more Modric-like player of the two as he usually plays more of a holding midfield role while Ramsey seems to have further license to get forward. With that being said, either one of them could score or assist in any given game (obviously).

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          4. FF Dirtbag
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            I wouldnt worry, he is always a player that props up with points at some point! He will be right behind RVP next match, and probably score a cracker 😉

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          5. SC not pearls before swine
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            Fail to see the connection. What does Chelsea have to do with Modric? I would say he's more likely to be closer to VdV in terms of position, a bit further back and far less prolific but further forward than Modric

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            1. applebonkers
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              modric is the classic assist the assist player, i'm guessing that's what he means

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              1. piers
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                That's exactly what I meant.

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              2. FF Dirtbag
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                Think Ramsey is more of a Paul Scholes myself. Assist or Score. Go for Glory.

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          6. Ryan
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            Ramsey gets forward a fair bit, I would liken him more to Lampard, a box to box midfielder

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          7. jamsiep
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            The annoying thing about Arsenal is that their midfield three seem to alternate much more in the 'easier' games. It was one of the reasons that Fabregas didn't score as highly as in previous seasons, last year.

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            1. AP
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              12 years, 6 months ago

              That, and he was sh*t.

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              1. applebonkers
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                +1

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              2. jamsiep
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                Best player in the Premier League by an absolute mile before he left. Admittedly not so much last season though.....

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              3. futbolnotsoccer
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                Not anymore though....he's on fire at the Camp Nou

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            2. jamsiep
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              Take their last two games, Chelsea - obviously a hard fixture - and West Brom - a significantly easier one.

              http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=318251&cc=5739

              In the Chelsea game, Ramsey is clearly further forward than Arteta and Song. Admittedly he still didn't manage to get a goal/assist in that game, not entirely sure how though because he was excellent and most of Arsenal's good play went through.

              http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=318085&cc=5739

              Now, the West Brom game. Everyone who played in the middle for Arsenal during the game occupy virtually the same position on the average position map, highlighting the extent to which the players swap positions during the game.

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              1. AP
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                This is top stato-ing. Highly commendable.

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        5. Ryan
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          12 years, 6 months ago

          Question: Do you guys think Westwood is better than Mignolet?

          and if so could he be a good long term option especially if he performs as well as he did against United?

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          1. piers
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Better? Prob not otherwise he'd have been 1st choice.

            Good option? Yeah. S'land have good fixtures and he's now nailed on to start.

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          2. FF Dirtbag
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            Would get him for a while but be wary of when Mignolet returns...

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          3. Ryan
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            Interesting I thought Mignolet has been a bit average so far in the campaign. Surely its a chance for Westwood to out shine him and nail down the number 1 slot?

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            1. FF Dirtbag
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              12 years, 6 months ago

              Don't think Mignolet was doing that bad really, it was mainly his opponents against him and the defence in front of him that wasn't really cemented in very well at the beginning that didnt help him shine.

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              1. Ryan
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                12 years, 6 months ago

                Do you think there is potential for him to lose his spot to Westwood if he makes the most of his opportunity though?

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                1. FF Dirtbag
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                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  There is always that possibility, especially if the defence starts to really put in the hours, and he pulls of some saves that makes sure they win//keep clean sheets. Just depends how quick Mignolet gets back into match fitness and how well they are doing compared to each other in training and on the pitch? There is every possibility.

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          4. FplBerg
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            Are we forgetting Craig Gordon? He's due back anytime, no?

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        6. Ini
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          12 years, 6 months ago

          Hey all, is Aguero close to dropping?

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          1. Clintymints
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            nope

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            1. futbolnotsoccer
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              12 years, 6 months ago

              Acording to Fiso he is....

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          2. Ini
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            Thanks. We'll have to wait and see.

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        7. jamsiep
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          12 years, 6 months ago

          That chatmosphere on here is decidedly average at the moment. International break syndrome? or everyone playing on MW3?!

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            MW3. The only reason I'm on is because I'm in classes at the university right now 🙂 Best thing to do during a mediocre adolescent development lecture...

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            1. jamsiep
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              12 years, 6 months ago

              Yeah, I love a cheeky peak on FFS during lectures. Nothing better to do!

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              1. futbolnotsoccer
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                12 years, 6 months ago

                1/3 of kids report being bullied in the UStates. Verbal and physical aggression.

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                1. futbolnotsoccer
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                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  Whoops, wrote notes from my lecture onto the forum instead of my Word document.

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          2. applebonkers
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            massive applause for chatmosphere btw.

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            1. jamsiep
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              12 years, 6 months ago

              followed by a chorus of boos for saying that instead of 'the'.

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        8. jamsiep
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          WHERE ARE YOU?! LET'S BE HAVING YOU!

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          1. applebonkers
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            international break... and 1:30am

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        9. jamsiep
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          Pathetic turnout. Guess I've just have to go to bed then. 🙄

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          1. AP
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            The good chat died when Faulk decided to live permanently in the bunker. The swine.

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            1. jamsiep
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              Agreed, same with dbronaldo - love him or hate him.

              (yeah, I didn't go to bed, I lied)

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              1. AP
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                I've seen DB lording it up on FPL. He's the ultimate turn coat.

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                1. jamsiep
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                  I know, it's absolutely scandalous.

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        10. Football is Life
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          Any recommendations on a Captain next week. Not Persie - don't have him 🙁

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          1. jamsiep
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            VDV.

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          2. applebonkers
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            VDV, he loves a bit of villa

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            1. jamsiep
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              4 goals against them last season, wasn't it?

              You captaining him over RVP? Don't think I will.

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              1. applebonkers
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                probably not, VC

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            2. AP
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              Yeah i reckon i'll captain VDV. Norwich will get about Arsenal at Carrow rd.

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        11. FPL Y10
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          12 years, 6 months ago

          I've used my wildcard this gameweek and my team looks like this:

          Al-Habsi/Vorm
          Enrique/Richards/Evans/Brown/Simpson
          VDV/Silva/Lampard/Walters/Allen
          RVP/Dzeko/Helguson

          What do you guys think i should or could change?
          I really don't know whether to get Ba and R Taylor because of their next 3 matches, thanks for the help.

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          1. jamsiep
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            You've wildcarded and still have Evans? Ballsy.

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            1. FPL Y10
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              12 years, 6 months ago

              Ye well hes a cheap defender for a great team so i'm not sure what to do. What do you think of the newcastle boys? Get them in or not?

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              1. futbolnotsoccer
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                ...I'd say no...they're going to be running into difficult fixtures. No way they can keep any more clean sheets. Unless they turn into the Newcastle squad from the Goal! movies...lol

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                1. FPL Y10
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                  Bale (with VDV) and Ba or Walters and Dzeko

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                  1. futbolnotsoccer
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                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    Walter and Dzeko. Although I have a hard time recommending Dzeko to anyone, too much of a rotation risk.

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        12. FplBerg
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          12 years, 6 months ago

          Who do we think are the must have season-keepers this season?

          I'll put my neck on the line and say Enrique, Silva and Kompany, with all the big guns liable to drift at some point (although RVP will put up a fight).

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Vorm.....Dyer...Naylor...because I need them on the bench for $$$ reasons and Swansea's incredible home runs at home

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            1. futbolnotsoccer
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              Yes I said home runs at home...

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        13. jamsiep
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          What's the fun in having Kolarov and BAE in your team when there's no football for two weeks?! Urgh.

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
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            12 years, 6 months ago

            I hate international breaks. Puts a damper on my weekends...like someone taking a shat on my bed. it's THAT bad.

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        14. futbolnotsoccer
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          Anyone know what Turner's chance is of starting on Sunderland? (Think I saw a thread about this like four pages back...but bringing it again now because we need the chatmosphere.)

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          1. Jinswick
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            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Pretty much nailed on with Bramble suspended and O'Shea injured. Even when O'Shea returns I think he may end up at full back.

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            1. futbolnotsoccer
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Jinswick, thank you. I now have a pretty decent back line. And I can get rid of Barnett, leakiest defense ever.

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        15. Football is Life
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Argentina are struggling in with their WCQ they have games on the 11th and 15th- anyone know their front line?

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          1. patshaw
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            they usually play with higuain up front, and messi and di maría on his sides....
            But Di maría is injured, so they havent say anything about who will replace him... i dont think aguero will play in that position.

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            1. patshaw
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Actually Aguero may start against Bolivia, but i guess not away in colombia.

              XI against Bolivia at home:
              Romero; Fernández, Mascherano,Burdisso; Clemente Rodríguez,Gago,Braña,Sosa; Messi, Higuaín, Agüero.

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        16. Jinswick
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Best keeper to rotate with Ruddy? Given has to go, and I can't see past Vorm at the moment. If Vorm I may as well do it before his price rise in the next couple of hours if so. Whatcha reckon?

          Ruddy
          Dunne, Simpson, Brown, Wilkinson, Woodgate

          2 free transfers and 0.4m in the bank.

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            I have Vorm/Ruddy and they don't rotate very well lol. I'd go with Stoke or Sunderland keeper imo. Maybe you should do GIven/Vorm for next week and then transfer Given out for someone dependable.

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            1. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Yeah, I would definitely go for Sunderland/Stoke if I didn't already have 3 of them in my defence.... Also, questions over how long Westwood will actually play for. Even though Vorm has MUN this w/e, his price and form make him seem the only way to go. Any better options I'm overseeing? Robinson has great rotation and fixtures, but can BLA really keep a clean sheet. Ever?

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              1. futbolnotsoccer
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                Yeah don't go for Robinson. Westwood should be there for a while...and when Migno gets back, it shouldn't be hard to find a replacement if you play it right. Honestly though, get Vorm. He's in exceptional form and may surprise us with more clean sheets we never saw coming.

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                1. Jinswick
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  It's more Gordon coming back in the next couple of weeks that worries me. Read somewhere he is due back in November...

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                  1. futbolnotsoccer
                    • 12 Years
                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    I haven't kept up on that, i really need to...you have a link Jin? Read it online?

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                    1. In Like Flynn.
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 13 Years
                      12 years, 6 months ago

                      Injuries and bans on here Futbol. Top of the page link.

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                      1. futbolnotsoccer
                        • 12 Years
                        12 years, 6 months ago

                        Ah, good call. Cheers again Flynn

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              2. iLA
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                I wouldnt bother looking for keepers that rotates well as I wouldnt trust the likes of Robinson, Howard, Al Habsi, Westwood etc keeping cleansheets even at home. Might as well do Vorm and Ruddy, save some money, play Vorm every week and be done with it 😕

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                1. futbolnotsoccer
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  Same situation....who the hell is keeping a cs these days anyways???!

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                  1. iLA
                    • 12 Years
                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    I know mate 😕 Although I was thinking to go the expensive route by buying Hart, Cech or De Gea and even they're not keeping cs and the last one even getting rotated ffs

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              3. In Like Flynn.
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                • 13 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                Westwood is surely third choice, although he played well, I wouldn't go near him Jinswick. The others are both due back nowish.

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                1. futbolnotsoccer
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  That's changed since I last read up on that...a couple of days ago I was getting advice on getting Westwood IN. Cheers Flynn.

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                  1. In Like Flynn.
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    Cheers Futbol, This is just my opinion and not gospel, but I believe it to be correct.

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                    1. futbolnotsoccer
                      • 12 Years
                      12 years, 6 months ago

                      Amen.

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            2. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Tripling up on Stoke with Begovic could be a worthwhile gamble??...

              I think it's down to Begovic or Vorm for me...If Begovic I would work Krul in for Ruddy in GW16.

              Whatcha reckon?

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              1. futbolnotsoccer
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                Could you do Vorm and work in Krul for Ruddy? Not a bad move, but take in consideration Flynn's comment below.

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                1. teto
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  FBS do you have ps3?

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                  1. futbolnotsoccer
                    • 12 Years
                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    Xbox360 🙁

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                    1. teto
                      • 12 Years
                      12 years, 6 months ago

                      Ah thats too bad! Where do you go to school if you dont mind me asking? Im in the US also

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                      1. futbolnotsoccer
                        • 12 Years
                        12 years, 6 months ago

                        BYU in Utah. You mate?

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                2. Jinswick
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  I could yeah. Fixtures look better for Begovic/Krul though up to the Jan Wildcard...

                  Would probably look to move one of Wilkinson/Woodgate out in a few weeks also to go back to 2 Stoke defenders....hmmm

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          2. In Like Flynn.
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Krul till the end of Jan H and A, fixtures not great though.

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            1. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Morning ILF! How about Begovic (see post above)? A risky strategy tripling on Stoke defenders, but could be good for a few weeks?....

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              1. In Like Flynn.
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                The next two are home and no European games till about the 29th. However Begovic's performance could see Sorensen brought in. I have Bego, but would not bring him in just in case. I have no choice. 🙁 Sorry, Morning Jinswick, 🙂

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                1. Jinswick
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  Maybe I guess, although I doubt he'll get dropped after 1 bad game. Krul's fixtures are just too bad to consider at this stage so I think my decision comes down to Vorm or Bego...whatcha reckon?

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                  1. In Like Flynn.
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    Er----------- Can I take the Fifth?

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          3. Football is Life
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            I think Swansea will struggle in the x-mas period. Kenny would be better. QPR has some good fixtures - they just played Chelsea and Man City and gave both teams a good game. Tarrabt is also out the team so they are a bit thicker in Midfield. Sunderland is a good option but will Mignolet come back early masked up? Will Gordon get a run, Will Westwood keep his place? Problem with Westwood is that you will have to change him again at a later date when he stops playing.

            Changing goalkeepers seems a waste of a transfer, I got Hilario during Cech's injury and it did me no favours. Had to wait to transfer him out and take a huge loss on his price.

            Vorm will get points making saves but I can't see their clean sheets continuing for long.

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          4. Blind
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Best keeper to rotate with Ruddy till Jan is Howard.

            Great fixtures between the pair of them, the only downside is Howard is £5.4m and Everton keep very few clean sheets.

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        17. Football is Life
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Is Aguero a regular starter for Argentina?

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          1. In Like Flynn.
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_football_team

            I hope you can drag some useful link out of this lot Football is Life.

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          2. patshaw
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            no he is not, but probably replace di maría on friday as he got injured.
            On tuesday i dont think he will play because its a harder game against Colombia in Colombia.

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        18. wanique
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          MY CRAZY TEAM FOR GAME WEEK 12

          DE GEA
          VERMAELEN, FABIO, WILKINSON
          DAVID SILVA, DRENTE, VAN DER VART, J"OHARA, SESSEGNON
          DZEKO, BENDTNER

          OUT AGUERO,STURRIDGE>> IN SESSEGNON, BENDTNER

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Why no Moses?????!

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          2. Manky Yanc
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            OUT TWO STRICKERS >>IN ONE STRICKER, ONE MIDFIELDER ???

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            1. wanique
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              CHARGE FORMATION TO 3:5:2

              I THINK MOSES NOT CONSISTENT...CANNOT GET A BIG POINT ..BUT IM EXPECT SESSEGNON,VDV,SILVA N DRENTE CAN GET MORE POINT FOR THIS GAME WEEK...WHAT IS UR OPINION?

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              1. iLA
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                Moses is probably the most consistent player in the game.

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                1. Carlos Danger
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  lmao

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        19. Elniñorules
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          For all those who haven’t voted yet, let’s roll on this election. Drenthe winning it outright at the moment.

          Which candidate for a medium-priced mid if you have RVP?
          A. Ramsey (8)
          B. Sess (3)
          C. Drenthe (11)
          D. Walters (4)
          E. Larsson (5)
          F. Others (1 – Rodwell, 1 -Brunt, 1 - Cleverly)

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            RAMSEY (totally voted twice.)

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            1. Elniñorules
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Your vote shouldn't count then 😛

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          2. iLA
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Ramsey. Cant believe Drenthe got 11 votes 😕

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            1. futbolnotsoccer
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              I agree. Not proven yet and....he's on Everton.

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          3. kazek
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Drenthe I guess.
            Everton's form worries me though. I know they've had some tough games but still, expected better

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          4. Johnny Unitas
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            I wouldn't touch Drenthe because he is largely unproven in the PL, I still don't trust Sess, some returns or not, through a process of elimination then I am left with Ramsey, hardly ideal if you are trying to decide which is the best player to get.

            What about O'Hara/Eagles/Ramiers? I have Ramsey and I am getting a little itchy on the trigger finger, he has 2 weeks after the break for me.\

            Oh, so Ramsey.

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            1. meltedman
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              You don't need Ramsey if you have RVP. Drenthe, Sess and Walters should be above Ramsey imo (in that order).

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              1. futbolnotsoccer
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                I beg to differ. Ramsey is proven consistent, and (if you look at a poster's analysis above) he's going to have big returns if he keeps playing awesomely.

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          5. tezzaboy7
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Larsson.

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        20. In Like Flynn.
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Must try for some sleep, Good luck to all here for the coming GW. Plenty of time. Night.

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          1. futbolnotsoccer
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Night bro

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        21. iLA
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Im bored shitless at work.. Will there be price changes today? Will Anton Ferdinand rise again this week? Is MW3 any good?

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          1. Johnny Unitas
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            I want MW3 but will have to contend with Black Ops until my European Xbox finally dies and I get an American one and can buy MW3 and BF3 and Arkham City and the new Assassins Creed. Life is getting in the way of my video game playing. Take my girlfriend for example, she is on the couch asleep, and all I want to do is nestle in there and play some Black Ops, she just moved her foot, an in!

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            1. iLA
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              I wouldnt have life left with those 4 games let alone it getting in the way 😀

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          2. futbolnotsoccer
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            MW3 is Black ops/MW2 on steroids. Games never looked better, the playing is so smooth, it is visually stunning. Admittedly, I do prefer the style of multiplayer that BF3 has to offer more, but BF3's lack of any sort of cohesive awesome single player campaign and super super super buggy multiplayer (not to mention terrible EA servers and visuals that were meant for PC's) gives MW3 the edge. Again though, multiplayer on BF3 blows my mind. I own both so I have no problem...MW3=you can't go wrong.

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            1. iLA
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Thanks, sounds very promising 😀 might have to get it afterall

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        22. meltedman
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          I fear this Drenthe love is getting a bit out of hand. Saying that...i'm thinking about taking a 4 point hit to bring him in for Cabaye. I love a gamble and i think he has a very good chance of getting at least an assist. It would also be a good long-term move due their respective fixtures and Everton's possible double game-week. What do you reckon, worth a 4 point hit?

          Team linked, already done Petrov --> Eagles

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        23. Van Dal
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Anyone want a square go?

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        24. Elniñorules
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          So here' my team:
          Vorm
          ShawX Brown Enrique
          VDV Silva Sinclair Nani Moses
          RVP Studge
          Subs – Given, Agbon, Collins, Simpson.
          2 FT 0.2 Bank

          I'm thinking of removing Collins. Should I keep faith with Nani?

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          1. meltedman
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Collins, Agbonlahor and Nani need to go asap imo.

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            1. meltedman
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Can you do

              Collins --> Jones
              Nani --> Drenthe/Eagles
              Agbon --> Rooney

              ?

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              1. Elniñorules
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                Precisely the 3 players I wanted to remove.

                I'd love to do that transfer. Can't afford it.

                I'm thinking:

                GW12:
                Nani > Sess/Drenthe/Ramsey & Collins > Wilko. Allows me to sit out Enrique for MCI / Sinclair for MUN.

                GW13: Bring in Roo for Agbon

                GW14: Given > Krul & ShawX > Jones/Komp

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                1. Jinswick
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  Your 11 is fairly decent as is, so this week I would just do Collins -> MaCauley and bench Enrique/Sinclair. This generates you 1.5m and leaves you with 2 transfers the following week (more time to reassess the Nani vs Rooney conundrum, which imo is a very close call...)

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                  1. Elniñorules
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    12 years, 6 months ago

                    Good shout as well. Cheers.

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            2. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Disagree on Nani. MUN fixtures about to get excellent and he is usually in the mix. I don't have him but want him. Agree with the other 2, especially Collins.

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              1. Elniñorules
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                O boy. You get me confused.

                It's not as if I don't have faith in Nani. Now it's a question of Roo or Nani.

                Hence I need to find a way to bring Roo in.

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        25. Jinswick
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Someone talk me out of tripling up on Stoke defenders by giving a better alternative. Considering Given -> Begovic this week.

          Begovic
          Brown, Wilkinson, Woodgate
          Silva, VDV, Ramsey, Moses
          RVP, Aguero, Adebayor

          Ruddy, Sinclair, Dunne, Simpson
          Bank 0.4m and 2 free transfers (prior to Given -> Begovic)

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          1. Louis Van Balls
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            I think doubling or even tripling up on Stoke defenders/keeper is a bit insane, especially given their last few results.

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            1. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Even if it's just for QPR and BLA? I'd expect at least 1 clean sheet from those 2 as Stoke normally solid at home. Also, I would be ditching one of Wilkinson/Woodgate after that...

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          2. Elniñorules
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Get SuperVorm. Period.

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            1. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              Rotates badly with Ruddy though. Howard could be a decent shout?

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              1. Elniñorules
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                No trust me. Play Vorm every week until the WC. He's on some goalkeeping form. Save the 1.0 mil elsewhere.

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                1. Elniñorules
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  Krul/Schwarzer (rotate better) over Howard (too ex for a GK). But get Vorm.

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                2. Jinswick
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 6 months ago

                  Fek, Vorm just rose so missed the rises.

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          3. iLA
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Seriously I wouldnt do it. I know Stoke has a good few fixtures at home with no Europa. But if they keep on being poor playing away after Europa than you will be screwed in the long term. Not to mention theres a good chance Woody and Wilko will get rotated.

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            1. Jinswick
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              I was thinking about Begovic this week and then Krul in for Ruddy in GW16. Would mean GK fixtures up to the wildcard being:

              QPR, BLA, eve, NEW, SWA, WBA, AVL, WIG, bla, QPR.

              Seems pretty decent?

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              1. iLA
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 6 months ago

                Thats actually really good. Depends though, if you dont have any areas in your team to improve than go for it. But for me 5.2 + 4.6 keepers are too expensive and I still wont have the balls to triple on Stoke's def.

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          4. meltedman
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            Dude, don't be insane. Two weeks down the line you will be thinking to yourself : what the fu*k was i thinking..now i gotta waste transfers getting these shysters out my team.

            I'd go Given -> Howard (gulp), and maybe leave it at that. I reckon you can get better value than Ramsey though in the longer term, and obviously Moses could do with an upgrade.

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