Technical Area

The Technical Area – Assessing City’s 3-4-1-2

This evening we bring back our series of “Technical Area” articles which offer tactical insight on a match or team each Gameweek. While the Guardian chalkboards are no more, this season we have built our own maps and charts to feed these articles and to provide a preview of the kind of tools and content available to our members…

Having obtained Opta data from Sunday’s Community Shield match between City and Chelsea, we were all set to analyse each side’s respective systems in terms of Fantasy potential but the dismissal of Branislav Ivanovic weights the head-to-head team comparison too much in Man City’s favour. As a result, we’ve decided to take a look at the league champions’ new 3-4-1-2 formation, as utilised by Roberto Mancini is several pre-season games prior to yesterday’s match – in particular, we focus on the midfield area.

Milner and Kolarov
Looking at City’s average position (below left, top), the system played out more like a 3-2-3-2 yesterday. With Vincent Kompany (4) stationed deep and central, the wide-positioned centre-halves afforded City plenty width at the back, which allowed James Milner (7) and Aleksandar Kolarov (13) to push far forward on the flanks – when in possession, the duo were almost as far up the field as Samir Nasri (19). Indeed, the pair received more passes in the final third of the pitch than any other City players; Milner’s 22 and Kolarov’s 20 were superior to frontmen Carlos Tevez and Sergio Aguero, with 17 and 14 respectively.

Man City Average Positions

Mancini’s system demands the pair supply plenty of balls from out wide and both delivered time and again; Milner registered 11 crosses and Kolarov 10 but the former’s distribution in the final third was relatively poor. The former Villa man has a lowly 71.4% pass success rate in this area – compare that to Kolarov’s 86.7% or Nasri’s 89.5% and it’s clear that, despite creating four goalscoring opportunities for his team mates (more than any player in yesterday’s match) there was plenty room for improvement in Milner’s contribution.

From a Fantasy perspective, these positions will clearly be crucial to City in the season ahead if Mancini decides to operate with such a system. What also looks essential in order for this formation to flourish is a high work-rate in these key areas. Both players made three tackles each – a tally bettered only by Pablo Zabaleta – while the pair also demonstrated strong aerial ability; Kolarov won four duels in the air, more than any other player yesterday, while Milner was next best with two, alongside Vincent Kompany and Nigel De Jong.

It seems unlikely that Nasri or David Silva will be suited to the wide roles in such a system, then, meaning the pair would likely battle it out for the role in “the hole” behind the front two whenever Mancini rolls out this tactic. With the City boss also playing the likes of Zabaleta and Gael Clichy in the back-three, the versatility of the City full-backs could well prosper from a Fantasy perspective within such a line-up.

Despite Mancini’s post-match uncertainty over the tactics, there’s no doubt the new formation has been a definite hit so far for the Etihad club, with Wigan’s successful implementation of a three-man defence in the second half of last season highlighting its capabilities within the Premier League, if utilised intelligently.

Man City Average Positions

A quick glimpse at City’s shape in their previous encounter against Chelsea (left) highlights the difference. Silva (21) and Nasri (19) were the wide men that day but both have a tendency to cut inside when on the ball and, for all their intricate possession, Mancini’s men lacked any real width further up the field – a criticism that was levelled at the champions on a number of occasions last term. It’s perhaps debatable as to whether this will be their default tactic but it clearly offers City a very strong Plan B, going on yesterday’s performance and result.

Toure and Nasri
As David Silva continued to build up his fitness with a brief cameo yesterday, Yaya Toure and Nasri took the opportunity to grab our Fantasy attention with a goal apiece in the 3-2 win. As the average position map (top,left) highlights, Toure (42) was relatively deep, playing just ahead of Nigel De Jong (34) but he was the beating heart of the City side, making an incredible 100 passes – a statistic that will no doubt catch the eye of Fantasy managers playing the Sky Sports game, bearing in mind the new bonus point system. For all his possession, though, Toure rarely ventured into the final third with any real intent – he made just 10 successful passes in the final third and scored with his only effort, firing home from outside the box after a poor John Terry clearance.

Nasri, however, demonstrated the danger he could carry when playing in “the hole” in this new system. The Frenchman made 17 passes inside Chelsea’s defensive third – the most executed by any City player, with only two of his passes going astray in this vital area. The former Arsenal man also managed two shots on target inside the box; once again, this stat was higher than any of his team mates and, with a goal and assist for his endeavours, he scored 15.3 in our ICT Index, the top mark for Mancini’s side in yesterday’s 3-2 triumph.

Having looked at the midfield, our next step is to analyse the respective displays of Carlos Tevez and Sergio Aguero within the system in a separate “Versus” article exclusively for Members. With a price difference of 9.0 to 11.5 in FPL, the question of who to plump for is a hot topic on the site right now ahead of Saturday’s rapidly approaching deadline, with Tevez’s goal already boosting his ownership considerably over the past 24 hours.

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  1. Billy Ketsu
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Morning All

    Since supporters of clubs outside the Premier don't get an official league to join I thought I'd make one.

    So, if your primary team is NOT in the Premier League then feel free to join up!

    Barnsley or Brisbane, Once Caldas or Accrington Stanley, Palmeiros or Plymouth Argyle, FC Honka or O'Higgins, all are welcome.

    30555-258766

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    1. tw
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      awesome! thanks mate

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  2. KujaliaFC
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    We get one wildcard in January and one season long wildcard, right? So there's nothing to stop me wildcarding in January, but keeping my other wildcard for GW38 to select The Best Team the World has Ever Seen™ for the final matches?

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    1. pompeyfan
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      you could do that. Would be a bit of a waste tho as the damage may already be done, making it impossible to catch up in just 1 week

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      1. Kostja
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        +1

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    2. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      I can see that you're new to all this.

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  3. etown
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    ramires or hazard ?

    ramires or mata ?

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Mata Ramires hazard in that order

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  4. thegreathoudini
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Begovic
    Zabaleta Cole Terry
    Nasri Bale Kagawa Noble
    Pog Tevez Torres

    Jaaskelainen Cuellar Maloney Clyne

    Torres to Rooney GW2
    Terry to Vidic GW3

    0.5 left in bank after

    Still not happy with it.

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    1. A.T
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      11 years, 8 months ago

      If your planning too many transfers ahead what happens if nasri and kagawa dont get enough game time or start slowly in the latters case?

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  5. Nick2ooo
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    11 years, 8 months ago

    Vdv or Kagawa? Who is the best pick and likely to feature the most in the first 10 gameweeks?

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    1. Mr Ron Burgundy
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      vdv

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  6. JVL
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Hart ( henderson)
    cole vidic cuella (demel clyne)
    lamps nasri carzola noble (guthrie)
    tevez rooney graham

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Carzola, great player but not the best opening fixts and it's his first season. Too much of a risk early doors I think

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  7. Sigga -Cardiff City-
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    best 5mil or under Mid
    already got Noble

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    1. pompeyfan
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      guthrie or a gamble on el ghanassay

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    2. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Maloney

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      1. Sigga -Cardiff City-
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        they just Signed Ryo Miyachi on loan
        and
        Moses is still there.?

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      2. Djerbil
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        ^this , but watch out for Maloney/Miyayichi rotation

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        1. Sigga -Cardiff City-
          • 12 Years
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          might as will pick one that is gunna play every game

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  8. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    RMT please.. final team after many many changes..

    David De Gea, Ruddy
    Cole A, Hangeland, Zabaleta, McCartney, Williams
    Allen, Bale, Pienaar, Mata, Guthrie
    Graham, Aguero, Torres

    £0.0 in bank..

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  9. Djerbil
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    "Like me or not, I am the only one who won the world's three most important leagues. So, maybe instead of the 'Special One', people should start calling me the 'Only One'," Mourinho said in an interview that aired on Monday.

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    1. OPTA FPL
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      do you have a video link?

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      1. Djerbil
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        err no..Lol.com and Independent articles

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  10. Djerbil
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    Repost:

    Have Gorkss in my team..Keeping this in mind should I double up and pair up DDG with Fredirici or get Begovic??(to cover Stoke defence)

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    1. Hiphopopotamus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      I've got the same and have DDG. I'm ignoring Stoke for a bit.

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    2. OPTA FPL
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      when you get DDG, you should have a cheap - nailed on GK cuz sometime you will need him. Begovic/Sorensen still unclear, so should get Federici and defender from another team

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    3. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Keep fed as he has a double. Stoke have poor fixtures to start so swap later on once you know who the first choice is

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  11. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    If Rvp joins man utd who is everyone gonna get

    A Rooney
    B Rvp
    C utd midfielder instead

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    1. potatoace
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      prob stick with rooney

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    2. Bubbles
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      C if he joins United, C if he doesn't.

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    3. Kostja
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Rooney, RVP will open up things up front and Rooney will still take the penalties.

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    4. Hiphopopotamus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Whichever one takes the penalties probably.

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  12. Hiphopopotamus
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    I might double up on the Spurs midfield. I have Bale and he's staying.

    Should i go for DVD or Siggy for my second?

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    1. @FuzzyWarbles
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      when vdv plays siggy will be deeper in formation, but i still think he will find his way into the area a fair amount of times and will get his share of set pieces. vdv is never far away from a hamstring injury. siggy is a little steep in price but given the fixtures and vdv's fitness history, id go siggy.

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      1. Hiphopopotamus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah, it's his hammy that makes me vow every year not to get DVD - and then i go and get him anyway and get heart palpatations every week... Siggy's probable deepness worries me but he could well be the best bet. Cheers Andres.

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    2. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Siggy

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      1. Hiphopopotamus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers GM - that's two for Siggy. He's in.

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  13. potatoace
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Dempsey linked with Everton,
    now we're talking

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    1. @FuzzyWarbles
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      i thought he wanted a crack at CL?

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      1. Djerbil
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        seeing Everton finished ahead of Liverpool last year, why not??

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      2. potatoace
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        he could watch it if he brought his binoculars

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      3. KujaliaFC
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Everton gives him more chance of playing in CL than Liverpool, or Spurs for that matter.

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        1. @FuzzyWarbles
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 8 months ago

          😯

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      4. Hiphopopotamus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        And where are they gonna get the dosh? Oh dear, maybe they're losing Baines...

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        1. @FuzzyWarbles
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 8 months ago

          hence one step closer and one step backward for everton to CL. no dosh.

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    2. OPTA FPL
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Dempsey to United !!!

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      1. potatoace
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        is this just wishful thinking?

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        1. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 8 months ago

          Maybe he's been talking to Landon Donovan?

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  14. Willis.
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    RMT!

    Federici, Jussi
    Hughes, Cuellar, Gunter, Clyne, Tierney
    Bale, Cazorla, Kagawa, Lampard, Kacaniklic
    Torres, Aguero, Graham

    2m in the kitty.

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    1. bund
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Not having chelski deface may be risky.

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      1. Willis.
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Alright, in order to get Ivanovic, would you...
        A) Aguero -> Tevez
        B) Cazorla -> Larsson
        C) Kagawa -> Larsson

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        1. bund
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
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          Surely A.

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    2. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Very top heavy but looks good

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    3. Bubbles
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      No idea how the defence rotates, but I like the mid/strikers.

      Is this Kacansldjasdilcic guy guaranteed a starting role then?

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      1. Willis.
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Defence probably doesn't rotate at all.... 😀

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  15. Cocky Spaniel Alves
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Morning... another dilemma here.

    A) De Gea, 5,5M mid, Aguero
    B) Friedel, Kagawa, Tevez

    Torn at the minute. Also can’t seem to find a suitable 5,5 mid for option A…

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    1. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      B

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    2. tw
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      B

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    3. Hubert
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Depends on the rest of your team but Dyer or Ireland might be worth a shout?

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      1. Cocky Spaniel Alves
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Well my team at the minute looks like this:

        Friedel - Cerny
        A Cole - Koscielny - Zabaleta - Tierney - Gunter
        Bale - Kagawa - Toure - Ramires - Michu
        Tevez - Torres - Graham

        This means that I have to bench one midfielder or striker, which could turn out to be costly..

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  16. super zlatan
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    * Zlatan logs in after another sleepless night over fantasy footy..

    Morning lads
    🙂

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    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Morning. How's your team looking now?

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      1. super zlatan
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Still not totally happy with defence

        Ming. Fed
        Cole. Hangaland. Williams. Fabio. Clyne
        Bale. Lamps. Kagawa. Pienaar. Noble
        Torres. Tevez. Graham

        2mil

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        1. Kevin Twine
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 8 months ago

          Nice. Yeah I see what you mean with your defence. I prefer 2 big hitters and 3 cheapies tbh.
          I'm on:
          DDG Federici
          Cole Zabaletta Cuellar Demel Fonte
          Lampard Bale Kagawa Noble Maloney
          Tevez Torres Graham

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          1. super zlatan
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 8 months ago

            I would like zabaletta also. Only way is to downgrade Williams to a 4mil and upgrade hangaland

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  17. Djerbil
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Don't know True/False

    But Ramirez has ditched the Spurs offer..still open to Liverpool move

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  18. A.T
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Rmt please

    Federici DDg

    Fabio, lescott, cole, demel, gorkss

    Ramires, bale, pieenar, michu, Maloney

    Bent, tevez, Torres

    +2m

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    1. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Good but need to upgrade rameries

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    2. Hubert
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Good team, leaves nice options, i.e. if Torres does well then Ramires to Valencia/Nani/Kagawa, otherwise Torres to Rooney.

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  19. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Best combo

    A bale and graham
    B carzola and Defoe

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      A

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    2. tw
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      a

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    3. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      A

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      1. super zlatan
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Def A

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  20. ManTree(v2!) or just JAY!
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Hi all

    Could you please RMT and comment?

    Given , federici

    Vermaelen, fabio, cole, Cuellar, Tierney

    N'zogbia, lampard, bale, larsson, maloney/noble?

    Torres, Tevez, graham

    £2.5m in bank for Torres to Rooney 

    Thank you!!!

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    1. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Good but most teams are like this at the min

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  21. etown
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Cole or Ivanovic ?

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    1. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      I'm going with cashley

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    2. Bubbles
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      I'd rather Ivan. Much more of a goal threat.

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    3. bund
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      It doesn't matter much. Just flip a coin.

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    4. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Cole purely because I think we'll get another RB.

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      1. A.T
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        +1

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    5. Up the Boro
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      isn't ivanovic banned now?

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      1. roscola
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        No, doesn't count as Charity Shield is a friendly. That is 100% official

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      2. Willis.
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        NO.

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      3. A.T
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        No only for non 1st team games

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    6. @FuzzyWarbles
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      ivanovic if you plan to dump by gw3, cole for the long haul

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    7. Willis.
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Ivanovic.

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  22. Hawky
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    RMT please

    Howard Eillot
    Hangeland Cole clyne koscielny gorkss
    bale kagawa maloney yaya zogbia
    torres rooney graham

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      I think yaya isn't worth it. If you want swans cover you could get michu and swap graham for bent/jelavic

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  23. JVL
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    A) Hart ( henderson)
    cole vidic cuella (demel clyne)
    lamps nasri carzola noble (guthrie) vidic and nasri
    tevez rooney graham

    B) Hart ( henderson)
    cole zab cuella (demel clyne)
    lamps bale carzola noble (guthrie) zab and bale
    tevez rooney graham

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    1. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      I dont understand this ???

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    2. JVL
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      screwed up post
      A) vidic and nasri
      B) zab and bale

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      1. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        b

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      2. A.T
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        B

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      3. tw
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        b.

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  24. Up the Boro
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    morning guys, please RMT, all thoughts appreciated, thanks.

    federici / vorm
    a cole / s taylor / cuellar / tierney / boyce
    pienaar / guthrie / lampard / bale / maloney
    kun / torres / graham

    3m in reserve, cheers

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      The only thing I'd say with that is I wouldn't go with Newcastle early on. Theybarecstruggling with injuries so I don't expect too many cleanies

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      1. Up the Boro
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        noted, cheers, was just for the perfect rotation with cuellar

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        1. A.T
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 8 months ago

          So he probably won't be in your team much anyway so not so bad really

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  25. Billy Ketsu
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    The season hasn't even started yet but my team's a mess and I've got a headache.

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  26. China Mag
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Fuzzy, you showed me yours, so i'll show you mine! But be warned that it is still very much a work in progress

    DDG, Jaask
    Ivanovic, Zabeleta, Cuellar, Demel, Gunter
    Bale, Pienaar, N'Zogbia, Dyer, Guthrie
    Torres, Aguero, Tevez

    Cash enough to turn Ivanovic + Tevez (or Aguero) into Haangerland + Rooney

    Your definitely going back to the drawing board after seeing that bad boy aren't you!!

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    1. tw
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      as you say, it is quite bad 😉

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      1. China Mag
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        It is basically the same set up as most of the teams here, but a 3rd big hitting forward instead of a 2nd big hitting midfielder.

        I much prefer Dyer + Torres to Mata/hazard + Graham

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    2. @FuzzyWarbles
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      nahhh, spurs can hang with that lot!

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  27. Oz lotto
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone beginning to consider kolarov given the stats in this article? Is he likely to even start though?

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Too much of a risk for me

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  28. corkdude30
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    Hi Rate my aquad please please
    Federici (fOSTER)
    Harte Walker A.Cole (McCartney) (Barnett)
    Dyer, Ramires,Y.Toure, Noble (Allen)
    Aguero, Rooney, Torres

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Change Harte , dyer n yaya

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      1. corkdude30
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        cheers - i had harte for double, do you not think yaya played well at charity and always pops up with assist or odd goal - any alternatives

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  29. titihenry
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    1st RMT - Hope It does not get lost

    DDG - Federicci
    Zabaleta - A.cole - Dawson - Clyne - Cuellar
    Lampard - VdV - Kagawa - Maloney - Noble
    Torres - Tevez - Pog

    3M in the bank to move things around first weeks in case Rooney or RVP go on fire.
    3 defender with OK fixtures the first 3 weeks.

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  30. tw
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 8 months ago

    which CHE mid should i get for the double? can afford any.

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    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      Lampard or Mata

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      1. Kevin Twine
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        I'm on Lamps

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      2. zan
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        Mata

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    2. China Mag
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      NONE!!! If you absolutely have to, I think that ramires is the only one likely to play both games

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      1. Fray Bentos
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 8 months ago

        mata will play both and i dont think ramires is guaranteed to either

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    3. Fray Bentos
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 8 months ago

      mata for me, closely followed by the fat guy

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