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Scout Report – Cedric Soares

Following hot on the heels of Juanmi’s move to St Mary’s Stadium, Sporting Lisbon right-back Cedric Soares penned a four-year deal with Southampton on June 18, amid competition from Stoke City.

Speaking on their latest recruit, Saints’ director of football Les Reed revealed that long-term target Soares will be invaluable as the club fight on multiple fronts next term:

“Cedric represents a quality addition to our squad, and is another player with a desire and hunger to succeed. We have been following Cedric’s progress for some time and felt now was the time to make our move. While there was competition from other Premier League clubs we were confident we would prove to be an attractive option for such an ambitious player. We have now signed two exciting talents early in the window and will continue in our pursuit of Premier League success and our European journey.”

Soares also took time out to discuss his move, with the defender relishing the opportunity to make his mark in the Premier League:

“I joined this club because I believe we can do better and better every year. Everyone knows that the Premier League is a very, very good league – and maybe the best one in the world – so for me it’s a pleasure to be here, but even more of a pleasure to be in Southampton. Southampton is a big, big club in England and is very respected. It’s a club with a lot of history and, for me, it’s very important to play for a big club. I think this is a very good move.”

The History

Soares was born in Singen, Germany but moved to Portugal (the native country of his parents) when he was two years old. At just eight years of age, Soares was integrated into Sporting Lisbon’s youth system, where he remained until the 2010/11 Primeira Liga season. In May of that season, Soares was handed his debut for the senior squad – a 1-0 home league defeat to Vitoria de Setubal. He went on to make four more appearances during the campaign, notching one assist in the process.

To further his development, Sporting sent the right-back on loan to another top-flight outfit, Académica de Coimbra, for the 2011/12 season. While there, he was part of the side that bested his parent club, Sporting, in the Portuguese Cup Final, sealing Académica’s first Taca de Portugal trophy since 1939. Upon his return to Lisbon, Soares became a more regular fixture in the first team throughout the following three seasons, tallying two goals and 11 assists across 89 appearances in all competitions.

On the international stage, Soares accrued a remarkable 72 caps across six levels of Portugal’s youth system before making the step up to the senior squad in 2014. The attacking full-back managed a single assist for the U21 side and has since gone to earn four caps for the full squad.

The Prospects

Soares’ move to Southampton is widely expected to pave the way for their incumbent right-back, Nathaniel Clyne, to complete a £15 million trade to Liverpool or Manchester United. The Merseysiders’ opening £10 million offer was rebuffed last month, yet the Saints are said to be resigned to losing the English defender in the coming weeks.

In an ideal situation for Fantasy managers, Clyne’s proposed switch to Anfield would occur after the player lists are released, thus reducing Soares’ starting price by virtue of him being the “back-up” right-back in their squad. Such a scenario could see him priced around 5.0 in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game, though if that doesn’t transpire, a price of 5.5 or even 6.0 looks likely, putting him in line with the likes of Ryan Bertrand and Jose Fonte, who are both due price hikes following strong 2014/15 campaigns.

Soares recorded just two goals for Sporting Lisbon in 94 outings, yet 12 assists over that period highlights his attacking potential. In terms of frequency of assists throughout their careers, the Portugal international trumps Clyne, with his average of one assist every 671 minutes bettering the Englishman’s rate of one every 802 minutes.

Certainly, having racked up 15 clean sheets in each of the last two seasons, Southampton’s backline is likely to arrive on our radars once again. Furthermore, their favourable start to the season (new, EVE, wat, NOR, wba, MUN, SWA) encourages investment in their defensive ranks.

Of the four home ties that Koeman’s troops embark on before their trip to Chelsea in Gameweek 8, the Manchester United clash appears the toughest on paper – although Southampton defeated Louis van Gaal’s outfit 1-0 in their last meeting. Given that the Saints boasted the joint-best clean sheet record (11) at home last term, this bodes well for these early-season exchanges as Koeman looks to take advantage of the fixtures and set the standard for another impressive campaign.

The likely departure of Clyne and the impact on his own price tag will be pivotal to Soares’ potential as a Fantasy asset. In addition, Fantasy managers will also be monitoring the valuation of loan keeper Maarten Stekelenburg, signed just 24-hours ago. He could well trump Soares to emerge as the most budget-friendly defensive option at St Mary’s.

Further Reference

Cedric Soares Wikipedia Page

Cedric Soares Transfer Markt Page

Cedric Soares YouTube Highlights

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  1. mikess
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Koubek Sa
    Illori, Korb, Guerreiro,Vestergaard, Heintz/Romognoli
    Hojbjerg, Kliment, Can, Lingard/Silva, Đuričić
    Volland, Kane, Poulsen

    Thinking something like this for my WC depending on tonights teams

    1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Koubek to Busk seems to be a good idea. A good chance for a cleanie agaist Serbia, while Koubek meets the Germans in a deciding game.

      1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Aaah I see you already have 3 Danes, never mind

        1. mikess
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          yeah got high hopes in Sa, got Danish attacking cover instead

    2. Hooky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Looks good. I'd go Silva over Lingard but you would need to change Sa to someone else (Bardi maybe?).

      1. mikess
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I havent been too impressed with Portugal going forward that's why I went for their defence. Silva is a class act tho.

        I missed a few deadlines as I went to the lakes with no tinternet connection so going for the weekly win rather than overall

        1. Hooky
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Just thinking Kane and Lingard might be overkill when England will probably be fairly cautious as a point should be enough for them.

          1. mikess
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Probably right

  2. MADCHESTER UTD
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    are there gonna be any decent cash prizes this season in FPL? I know it's free to enter, people make cash in private mini leagues, it's great fun etc but I think it's a little disappointing that there aren't great prizes on offer to the top 10 teams. in the sun dreamteam last season the winner picked up £250k and the runner up got £100k, they had a £5k to best performing team of the week, £25k to the winner of the spin off champions league/Europa league comp etc. I'd personally would rather pay £5 or £10 for an entry. with the millions that play, you could have a massive jackpot

    1. Parm
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Obviously you could have a monster jackpot but then you'd have even less competitors based on paying just to play the game alongside mini-league money. Doubt you'll get anywhere near the 3m entrants.

      1. MADCHESTER UTD
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        maybe the way round that is to have the option to pay or not. they do that in the sun, anyone can enter one team for free and is eligible for a £50k prize but then anyone who buys teams is classed as a premium player and they are eligible for a much bigger pot. so you could still have the 3 mill players but maybe a million of the more serious players would choose to pay, so still have an overall league like they do now but then also a premium league

    2. roscola
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      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I could well be wrong but I gather that the main reason is global reach. If you offer cash prizes, you're suddenly contending with lots of varied local laws around prizes and gambling. Lots of users around the world would not be able to enter.

      1. MADCHESTER UTD
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        ah good point. im sure FPL have looked at it before coz even if say a million players payed £5, then that's £5 mill in, the FPL would no doubt pocket a couple of mill profit and the rest of the £2-3 mill would be cash prizes for say the top 100.

        1. meerlight
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          fpl - free - 3.5M players
          ufpl - £5 - 22K players

          1. Lucy.
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Says it all.

          2. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            ufpl is also a bit more complicated, you're also investing more time and thought to it. Many don't want to.

            1. Camp No No
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Although it probably is so that money & time walk hand in hand in this case, so maybe FPL wouldn't be much more popular than ufpl if you ad to pay. The fact Roscola stated, that it already excludes some countries, is reflected in those numbers

      2. MADCHESTER UTD
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        or maybe they could allow players from countries that are allowed to bet the option of paying and those that aren't could be eligible for a different prize

    3. 1justlookin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Does the overall winner receive anything?

  3. Promoted sides' clean sheet chances
    Piggs Boson
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    *** FFS Myth Busters ***

    Question: Does a promoted side's clean sheet total from the Championship relate to their Premier League CS total in the subsequent season?

    .
    .
    ** Promoted Teams - Clean Sheets last season **

    ..................................................CSs
    Bournemouth...............................19
    Norwich (Alex Neil extrapolation)...16.7
    Watford.......................................15
    Norwich.......................................14

    .
    .
    ** The last 4 years **

    .....................13/14........14/15
    Burnley............18.............10
    Leicester..........17.............10
    QPR................17..............6

    .....................12/13.........13/14
    Hull..................16..............9
    Cardiff..............16..............7
    Palace..............11.............11 (Pulis from Nov)

    ......................11/12.........12/13
    Reading.............19.............5
    Southampton......17.............7
    West Ham..........16............11

    .
    There seem to be too many outliers. From West Ham's 11 CSs to QPR's 6. Unexpected results happen too frequently to allow us to predict with any assurance. This myth is busted.

    But putting more weighting to the recent data, we can say it looks "possible" for Bournemouth to get 10 CSs. Norwich look more likely to get around 7 to 9, and Watford around 6 to 8.

    But of course any of them could do a QPR and just open the floodgates, so approach all promoted teams with caution. The Premier League is a whole different level.

    MYTH BUSTED

    1. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Bravo, GB, bravo. So good luck to anyone guessing on promoted teams...

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Errr ... see just below ...

        1. Lucy.
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Oh oops.

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Well, the first thing you have to do, is to multiply the top figures by 38/46 ...

      Then we will see ...

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        That's irrelevant to the conclusion. They're all in proportion to eachother.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          No, it isn't irrelevant. 🙂

        2. Camp No No
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          While it is irrelevant for your initial question, for your final conclusion it is not.

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            If you think this then you've misunderstood the conclusion I was trying to make. I should have been clearer...

            1. Camp No No
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Hmm... maybe you should. It is slightly relevant, if their CS/match ratio doesn't drop too much on average. Although, I have to admit, it is not likely to be very relevant either. More relevant for your conclusion of bewaring the promoted team defence would be to compare the promoted teams with those who already were in the league.

              1. Piggs Boson
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Reading got the most CSs in the Championship out of the promted teams, but got the least in the Prem.

                Their previous totals do not reflect reliably what level of CSs they'll get in the Premier League, compared to the other teams. That's all I was trying to show.

                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Hard cases make bad law. 🙂

                  1. Camp No No
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    Rules of thumb make no law at all.

                2. Camp No No
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  I understood that, and see below for my conclusive support for your statement. My point here was that when you propose that we should "approach all promoted teams with caution", it can and imo should be read also to mean promoted teams as opposed to teams that were in PL not by promotion.

                  Now, if you will, the average drop of CS's when moving to PL adjusted to the number of matches would be 5. That's not that bad, is it, seen that they come from the top of one division to the bottom of another? But your point actually remains (which is why this ends up being irrelevant), because there is no positive correlation between the numbers of CS's, so the drop is rather random than systematic.

      2. Nickofoz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Theres nothing wrong with them, GB is comparing championship CS performance with the following season's PL CS performance

    3. Black Knights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A lot of those ratios aren't awful, especially when you factor they're only playing 38 games instead of 46. Interesting reading.

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Well spotted. Nicely done.

        1. Black Knights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          You too, of course.

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            😀

      2. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        The ratios aren't even being looked at here. They aren't relevant. This post is looking relatively, comparing previously promoted teams with the current bunch.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          *sigh*

          Lies, damn lies, and statistics. At least let's make the stats accurate, G B. Even when they don't suit our argument ...

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            *facepalm* The stats are 100% accurate. That is the level of CSs they got.

            You want to change them and scale them back so it is in proportion to 38 games. And that's fine. But QPR will have still dropped more than Burnley did. West Ham will have still have dropped less than Hull did. The results will be the same, but all the ratios will scale down smaller, because 38:38.

        2. Black Knights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I was just highlighting to the untrained eye that the decreases are also in part due to the decrease in games played. Makes West Ham's look even more impressive!

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Yeah, that's fine 🙂

      3. roscola
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I think GB's point (or at least what I take from it) is that the ranking from the championship doesn't carry over to the ranking in the prem. So if you chose Reading in 12/13 because they were the best of the promoted teams, you got stung.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Indeed. But that is just taking the raw data too seriously.

          1. roscola
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            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I agree, but isn't that his point ? Isn't he saying "don't take the raw data too seriously"?

            Every pre-season we see posts saying "I'll get my cheap defenders from X because they got more clean sheets than Y and Z last season". But when they get to the prem, Y and Z often do better.

            1. Piggs Boson
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I'm glad someone gets it 🙂

              1. roscola
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                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                It doesn't happen often .... so I'm glad it happened when you most needed it 🙂

            2. Zombie
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              This. I agree.

              GB's data is good if we look only at the promoted teams and how they rank among themselves. (Conclusion being there is no correlation between how these 3 teams ranked with respect to each other in Championship and how would they rank in PL, which was the point of his analysis I think)

              While what Doos is trying to say (if I understand correctly) is that the absolute number of CS kept by the promoted side in PL will need to be re-calculated

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                *in Championship

                See below.

                1. Zombie
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  or Championship

                  What I meant was, both sets need to be on a sample size of 38 matches to be comparable.

                  But Doos, if you are looking at how these promoted sides fare with respect to each other, sample size doesn't come into picture. eg. Burnely 10 CS from 20 vs Palace 15 CS from 20 gives similar insights as Burnley 20 CS from 40 vs Palace 30 from 40. Their confidence interval will change of course but insight will remain the same (sorry for the jargon, stats background)

                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    No problem. But my point is that the myth isn't quite busted.

                    1. Camp No No
                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      It is though.

              2. Camp No No
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                But seen the result of the first analysis that latter point is unimportant.

        2. Black Knights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Of course, the numbers can be interpreted in several ways and it's handy information certainly. Was literally just adding to it in as much as some people wouldn't have immediately spotted the reduction in fixtures, and just seen smaller numbers across the board.

          1. roscola
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            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Sure, and that is valid.

    4. MADCHESTER UTD
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      good article. yeah im always dubious about putting in defenders/gk's from promoted teams. don't mind talking a chance on midfileders/strikers though that excelled the season before in the championship. they always end up cheap and some of them over the years scored mega points the first season in the prem; andy cole, neil redfearn, kevin Phillips, Marcus stewart, austin etc. def got my eye on deeney this season and will look at the stats from bournemouths mid.strikers

    5. In Like Flynn.
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      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      It would be interesting to compare those to the CSs of the Premiership teams around them.

      Though I agree a good record in the Championship is not automatically transferable to the Prem it is also about making the best of a bad job with the available prices and the promoted teams are usually .5-1.5 cheaper than comparable options.

    6. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Well this in relation to the fixtures that BOU has makes them the least risky option don't you think.

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        - plus the "Eddie" factor.

        1. Parm
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          ^

      2. Black Knights
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        On having a look at clean sheets as a % from year to year, with a 10-15% dip in the number attained generally, BOU could be good to 10-12, all being well.

      3. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yes, I agree, they are the least riskiest. Be prepared to ditch if they start doing a QPR though.

        This post argues for a wait and see attitude to promoted teams. So maybe get one of their defenders max, not two.

    7. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      It doesn't matter to THIS POST that their CSs drop considerably because they play less games. That is NOT what this post is looking at. It is looking at the SCALE of that drop and applying it to the current crop of promoted teams. Anyone get this? 🙁

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        No. And it is important that you understand why not. 🙂

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I understand. I needed to explain it clearer.

      2. The Sarjeant
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I understand GB.

      3. Nickofoz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yes. I understand fully, great post.

      4. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I understand what you are trying to convey (but hey, let's not call it the scale of the drop ;). I mean they play 46 in championship and 38 in PL so the scale must show the difference even if the match played/CS ratio remains the same)

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I didn't consider fans being offended by calling it a "drop", when in fact their CSs "rose". I was looking at it purely statistically 😀

          1. Zombie
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            😀 Sounds fair to me

      5. Kane Toads
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        GB - Your stats tell me to beware of promoted teams as their good cleanies record is more likely than not to go out the window once they step up into EPL. If that's correct then that's all I need to know (regardless of scaling etc)..

        well done + thanks.

      6. dush64
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        That's what I took from it - the point is to see if a team that keeps more CS in the Championship will also do so in the league. Myth busted.

        Scaling the number of Championship CS by 38/46 is pointless - this won't be a good indicator of PL CS because the PL is a different level.

    8. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Posted this 12 days ago, thought I'd re-link it here seeing as it fits in.

      Here's a little analysis into promoted teams defences.

      A team who's just been promoted into the Premier League, who has been a solid outfit in the Championship, may not be as good in the Premier League - don't let the stats fool you.

      In the 11/12 season, Reading had the most clean sheets out of the promoted sides with 20 and only registered 1 clean sheet in the first 10 games of the Premier League. Southampton registered 2 less and kept 0 clean sheets in the first 10 games. West Ham had the worst record out of the three with 17 clean sheets, but they were the most effective in the early stages of the Premier League with 4.

      In the 05/06 season Reading kept the most clean sheets again out of the three promoted sides from the Championship with 22 and registered just 2 shut outs in the first 10 games. Watford only kept 12, but were the best out of the three with 3 clean sheets.

      Out of the ten seasons I looked into, 6 times the strongest defence performed the best or joint best in the first 10 matches of the Premier League. Only 4 times did the worst performing promoted club in the Championship register the least amount of clean sheets in the first 10 games in the Premier League.

      Of course, this all depends on fixtures, new signings/departures and managerial changes. If you want me to post all the data that I collected over 10 seasons below, then just ask.

      1. The Sarjeant
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Although I don't have the data anymore.

      2. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Great stuff Sarj 🙂

        I was exploring the idea of predicting rough CS Prem totals from Championship totals. But there are too many outliers to predict it reliably. You can exclude the outliers and get an estimate though, as I did above.

        For those that don't believe you get the same results from scaling back CSs to 38 games:
        http://i.imgur.com/9eKwkmN.png?1 QED

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          But the results aren't the same ... they are half a point down. And that graph is not showing what you want it to!

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            You're misunderstanding what I want then.

            If we were able to use the Championship CSs to "roughly" estimate Premier League CSs, that line would be more straight. But it's not, so it is too unpredictable. Both methods give the same graphs.

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Why would the line be straighter? Just depends on the parameters you choose.

              To me, there is still a rough correlation. The Readings and QPRs of this World always excepted, and they were both to a certain extent predictable.

              1. Camp No No
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Hmmm... following this, I tried removing the biggest outliers (Reading, QPR), and it indeed eliminated the absurd negative correlation. But it didn't return a meaningful positive one, but a complete lack of correlation, which seems to be the right result as well. There is no correlation between the Championship and PL CS's.

              2. Piggs Boson
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                This is a graph of ratios (y-axis). So if the the ratio was consistent, the line would stay around one ratio and stay roughly straight.

                Unfortunately the ratios vary too much to find one we can apply to the newly promoted teams.

            2. Zombie
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Ummm. It would be straighter if you arranged the X-axis in increasing order (and if they had higher correlation)

              but yeah, I agree that both methods give the same graphs and also with the hypothesis that the CS POTENTIAL comparison between Championship vs PL is too unpredictable.

              the reason or parameters can be anything but they are indeed hard to predict basis the numbers of CS in Championship only

              1. Camp No No
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                There's a chance that underlying stats would give us something to work with, but even then I think we would have to think it through very carefully already just because the role of these teams in the league will change so immensely when they win a promotion.

          2. The Sarjeant
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I don't think you understand what Giggs or anyone else is saying here.

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              OK. Just go ahead and call me an old git.

              |But if you don't mind, I will stick to my tried and trusted methods. And I won't channel things to prove a particular point. 🙂

              1. The Sarjeant
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I wouldn't do such a thing Doos.

              2. Piggs Boson
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I find your alternative point of view useful. I was always respect your opinions so please don't stop challenging me 🙂 I took what you said on board and looked into it. It allowed me to produce a clearer graph for everyone.

      3. JAC THE CAT
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Does anyone have a list of the clean sheets for last season?

    9. MADCHESTER UTD
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      what you also find which needs to be taken into consideration is that a lot of teams that got promoted don't stick with the same defence anyway once they get to the prem. I think burnley stayed the same but qpr got in rio, caulker last season and already bournemouth have got in garbott and distin from everton

      1. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        That's one of the main reasons behind why the myth was "busted" 😉

    10. Zombie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      GB - I think you should have specified what was the exact "myth" you were trying to bust (or as we call it - what was the hypothesis that answered the question)

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Does a promoted side's clean sheet total from the Championship relate to their Premier League CS total in the subsequent season?

    11. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      The trendline cuts at around 2.
      http://i.imgur.com/9eKwkmN.png?1

      So if you want a "very rough" estimation, divide the promoted teams CSs in half (from all 46 games)

      Bournemouth.....9.5
      Norwich (AN)......8.4
      Watford..............7.5
      Norwich..............7.0

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Trendline: http://i.imgur.com/cBFBgr6.png?1

        So... Divide by half, and expect the unexpected.

    12. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      have to admit i was very surprised to read that watford had a decent defensive record in the prodl article. 5th best in the championship might as well be labelled 20th best in the premier league.

      swansea were probably the last genuinely impressive defence in the championship i can remember, with the help of king vorm they kept it going fairly well too

    13. BuK II
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Late to the party (how do you do this during working hours?!) but my 2p's worth...

      It's a pretty small sample size any way and so many odd factors (eg. Pulis taking over at Palace) creating outliers it's a difficult thing to analyse.

      One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned is that raw CS stats don't really account for style of play. For example, Middlesbrough got 20 CSs compared to Bournmouth's 19 but in terms of how they set up the former would be the coveted defenders. Bournmouth's total was more a factor of them being pretty excellent all over, which will be difficult to replicate when they step up.

      To complicate things QPR scored the least goals of the promoted teams from last season so it is not a tangible variable we can really incorporate beyond if you thought a team managed by ‘arry would be tight defensively…what were you thinking?

    14. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      In my opinion Norwich are a better bet than the other two, whose defences I won't go near with a bargepole. But I will probably end up with either Ruddy or Olsson in my GW1 squad.

      There are 2 reasons for this. One is that Norwich are essentially a PL team, virtually all of their 1st XI have PL experience and they are returning after only 1 season out.

      The other is that Neil is a pragmatic manager who improved them defensively and won't have ridiculous ideas about stylish football (which I suspect Eddie Howe will). The signing of Mulumbu is a statement of intent and he's a DM I rate quite highly. I could see Norwich keeping a fair few clean sheets, especially at Carrow Road.

      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        yet another excellent post and one i agree with

        Bournemouth may find their way into my team if the price is right

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Mine too. But not the defenders. 🙂

    15. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A general comment... There are generally 3 reasons why a team gets a clean sheet:

      1. An well organised (or fortunate) defensive performance;
      2. A dominant attacking threat that puts opponents into damage limitation mode;
      3. A game which both teams approach with caution, where a draw would probably suit both.

      The most predictable of these three reasons would appear to be the first.

      Bournemouth's clean sheet record in the Championship owed a lot to reason 2 and they won't be able to replicate that in the PL. The boot will be on the other foot, unless Howe dumps his "Guardiola-Barcelona" nonsense they will be taken apart by much better and more experienced players.

      Norwich under Neil look by far the most capable of No. 1 and I'd be willing to bet they concede less goals next season than either of the other two.

      1. FPL P0ker PlAyer
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Agreed. Adding grist to the mill, I recently looked at just the results of the matches between the top 8 sides in last year's Championship, which I figured would give a more accurate picture of those sides defensive mettle. And in those tougher games, Norwich did indeed emerge as the best option defensively from the three teams gaining promotion.

  4. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    is there any chance that we can get a community round up, just before the season starts, highlighting some of the useful posts on here over the summer?

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      there'd be a lot of Giggs Boson posts.. 😛

      1. Lucy.
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        A looooot.

  5. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I'm a free man again

    Firmino oh oh oh
    Coutinho oh oh oh

    1. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I will bookmark this and lmao if you end up losing Coutinho and not getting Firmino. 😀

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        😀

        Coutinho will be a Barca player in a year or 2

    2. Nickofoz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      How'd you go?

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Very well mate. Thanks

        1. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          What was it on?

  6. Gooner97
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Petr Čech: "I won everything I could at Chelsea Football Club, it's now time for me to join Arsenal and win some Twitter polls"

  7. Van Klinkert Delarosa
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    In case people missed this - Possible Permutation for Euro U21.

    Group A.

    Fixtures: Czech Republic (3 points) v Germany (4); Denmark (3) v Serbia (1)

    • Germany (+3 goal difference) will be through with a draw irrespective of what happens in the other game. If they win, they are guaranteed top spot and to face the runners-up from Group B in the second semi-final on Saturday. If they lose, they will still progress if the other match finishes in a draw courtesy of their superior head-to-head record against Denmark. If they lose and Serbia win, then group goal difference will come into play as the two sides drew their opening fixture. If Germany lose and Denmark win then they are out.

    • Czech Republic (+3) will be through with a win and out if they lose. A draw will be enough if Serbia win the other match, but not if it finishes in a draw as Denmark beat the Czechs in their opening game.

    • Denmark (-2) will be through with a win. A draw would also be enough providing Czech Republic do not beat Germany. Lose and they are out.

    • Serbia (-4) need a win against Denmark to keep their semi-final hopes alive. If they win and Germany do likewise then they will be through; should they win and the Czech Republic win too, then Serbia would finish level on four points with Germany. In this scenario, overall goal difference would come into play as the teams drew their opening game.

    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/26/03/89/2260389_DOWNLOAD.pdf

    Group B.

    Fixtures: England (3 points) v Italy (1); Portugal (4) v Sweden (3)

    • Portugal (+1 goal difference) will be through with a win or a draw. They would also progress if they lost and England drew with Italy. If Portugal lost and Italy beat England, goal difference would decide which of the two – Portugal or Italy – advanced as the teams drew their direct encounter. If Portugal lose and England win then they are out but would be in an Olympic play-off.

    • England (0) will advance with a win, while a draw will take them through so long as Sweden fail to beat Portugal in the other match. If they lose to Italy, they will be eliminated.

    • Sweden (0) will progress with a victory, while a draw would be enough only if Italy beat England in the other game. If they lose and England win, then they would be in an Olympic play-off.

    • Italy (-1) will go through only if they beat England and Sweden lose to Portugal. They cannot qualify for an Olympic play-off irrespective of results on Wednesday.

    http://uefa.to/1K6HuPr

  8. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    @BenSmithBBC Liverpool's interest in Roberto Firmino is certainly genuine.

    @TikTakTom-My interest in Pixie Lott is also genuine ben, but she's got sexier offers on the table

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Pixie Lott is meh. She's the Hull City of women

      1. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        she used to be fit, not so much now

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          a bit like Stevie bruce then

          1. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I dont know about that. He still got it. Dat ass

            https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/613080014607642624

      2. Lucy.
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        How could you possibly know what she's like as a woman? Unless you are good friends?

  9. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Gigg's Boson's point - adjusted figures (x38/46):

    ** Promoted Teams - Clean Sheets last season **

    ..................................................CSs
    Bournemouth...............................19=16
    Watford.......................................15=12
    Norwich.......................................14=12

    .
    .
    ** The last 4 years **

    .....................13/14........14/15
    Burnley.........18=15............10
    Leicester.......17=14............10
    QPR..............17=14..............6

    .....................12/13.........13/14
    Hull...............16=13..............9
    Cardiff...........16=13..............7
    Palace...........11=9..............11 (Pulis from Nov)

    ......................11/12.........12/13
    Reading.........19=16.............5
    Southampton.17=14.............7
    West Ham......16=13...........11

    1. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      The figures don't need to be adjusted for GB's point though.

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Well, I am sure that they do. 🙂

        1. The Sarjeant
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          They don't though. It's not the amount of clean sheets we're looking at here. It's merely who was the best, second best and worst.

          The point he's making is even if you don't well in the Championship it doesn't mean you'll do well in the Premier League. The worst one could do the best.

          1. The Nuttman
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I generally thought it was a common accepted thing though that CS's in the Championship don't mean PL cleansheets though, why all the numbers?

            1. The Sarjeant
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              To prove it I suppose.

          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            No, it couldn't/won't.

            1. The Sarjeant
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              What couldn't/won't?

    2. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      But he's right. For his initial question this is irrelevant. The correlation remains -0.56, i.e. a quite strong negative correlation which seems paradoxical and heavily suggests that nothing can be concluded on basis of the number of CS's in the Championship.

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Fine. But at least we are looking at the right figures.

        1. Camp No No
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          But he's right, adjusting the figures is irrelevant here, because what he is looking for is correlation and you can count that from the originals as well. And the result being that there is no meaningful correlation, there is no reason to look at the actual changes in numbers of CS.

          1. The Sarjeant
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            This.

      2. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This says it in the best way 🙂

    3. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Already did that. Same conclusion as my previous post: http://i.imgur.com/9eKwkmN.png?1

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Competitively, they're have exactly the same result. There is no consistent ratio, they are up and down, i.e. unpredictable.

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          they*

      2. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Looks meaningless indeed. A myth busted. Still concerning the final point you made (even if you didn't mean to), I still would like you to look at the difference between the CS stats of promoted teams and those who finished in the bottom table last season but didn't get relegated.

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Will do, thanks for the help 🙂

      3. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        You should have given this already in the initial post, would have avoided the whole discussion.

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yeah, I know, I was too unclear. Need to improve that 🙂

          I only just made the graph though. I take all criticism on board, so I set out to prove myself wrong. Turned out, I was right 🙂

          1. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Extremely so.

          2. Black Knights
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Please note that i was not criticising, only adding.

  10. MADCHESTER UTD
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    anyone else think berbatov would be a great signing for various teams in the prem? I still think he is absolute class and although he's obviously past his best, he proved in his performance against arsenal at the emirates last season that he still has it in him. im talking about the main striker for a mid table prem team such as stoke,swansea, west brom etc or maybe even a extra forward for a Europa team like soton, Liverpool, west ham or back to spurs that will have fixture congestion

    1. The Nuttman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Everybody here, just gotta get a youngster up to with him willing to do the running and your golden.

    2. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Perfect for Palace.

      1. MADCHESTER UTD
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I agree. berbatov with zaha, puncheon, balasie and maybe even cabaye would make palace a good bet for top 10 finish

  11. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Nani linked with Fenerbache. He had some decent stats last season. Surprised that a bigger team haven't been after him

    1. MADCHESTER UTD
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I always thought he would be a good fit at everton. someone like Martinez would put an arm round his shoulder and get the best out of him.

      cleverly, mcCarthy
      nani, Barclay, mirrallas
      lukaku

      could be a good midfield/attack

      1. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        id like to see Nani at somewhere like Southampton

        1. The Nuttman
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I would just like to see Nani still playing in the premier league at all.

          1. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            yep.

        2. MADCHESTER UTD
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          another good fit. a tall striker like pelle would love to have nani crossing them in for him. that's how he got so many in holland

          1. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            yeah, the number of assists Nani would get.

            1. The Nuttman
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I would love it!

  12. The Nuttman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Out of interest, how easy is it to get tickets for champioins league/europa league qualifiers?

    Interested in seeing West Ham vs FC Lusitans and perhaps later CL ones for other sides.

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Depends on membership favouring with the club and loyalty points if they have a system of some sort

    2. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      West ham shouldnt be too hard to get. They flog league game tickets in The Metro

      1. Cthulhu @ Left Back
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I'm not so sure. The Hammers vs the team that finished 2nd in the Andorran Premiership sounds like a plum tie to me 😉

    3. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Dead easy if Chelsea are anything to go by. Tickets for CL Group Stage are amongst the easiest to get in the whole season. Interest picks up in the knockout stages.

      The demand might be greater for teams that don't have regular European football though.

  13. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Sky Sources: Liverpool have held talks with forwards Roberto Firmino, Carlos Bacca & Salomon Rondon #SSNHQ

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not too keen on Rondon. I hope the other two get sorted, but i'm not holding my breath. Can see Utd pipping us to at least 1 of those guys

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Firmino and Bacca would cost the amount to get rid of Sterling. I'm not keen on Rondon, haven't seen much of him

        1. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          i've seen him play ages ago, and i saw him play the other day. DIdn't impress me, and his stats aren't anything great.

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Yeah I'm not keen. Bacca would be a good risk, but Firmino will be brilliant

            1. internal error
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I just hope Coutinho has been in his ear every day telling him how great liverpool are and what a great place it is to live.

              1. goriuanx
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Couts and Firmino is footballing assault. Enjoying every bit of Couts before Barca come calling

                1. internal error
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  hope not, but it's probably only a matter of time

    2. Jafooli
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Why are Liverpool always linked to players I've never heard of?

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        How have you never heard of Firmino and Bacca..Rondon fair enough

        1. Jafooli
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Don't follow football......

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            😉

          2. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Might explain. 😀

        2. Black Knights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I've heard of Rondon and he was not bad a few years ago. Bacca obviously. But i'd never heard of Firminho until all these transfer rumours kicked off!

    3. Gooner97
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Wow, they will finish 6th now!

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        stability....

    4. MADCHESTER UTD
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      bacca looks really clinical. would rogers play bacca and a fit sturridge together at top though? either is too good to be on the bench and neither will want to play out wide

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Would be 2 up top but Sturridge won't be match fit for months

      2. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Rodgers will probably play him at LB....

    5. Del Monte
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Benteke and Firmino = Sterling

      Liverpool always try and buy as many players per million as possible.

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I don't think Benteke will happen and I hope not.

        1. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          wont happen at £32mil.

        2. Del Monte
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          SSN reported yesterday that Benteke won't sign a new deal so I guess he has to leave.

          When he's on form he's unstoppable and he's only 24!

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Unstoppable..for a team that crosses into him. He's a good player, a lethal headerer but too expensive and doesn't suit Liverpool

          2. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            he needs balls in the box, and a direct style of play. He isn't the most mobile striker and his all round play on the ground isn't all that great. He would suit Utd more than Liverpool

            1. Prime
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Now if someone could explain this to the Belgian manager that 'd be great.

            2. Chaps Before Baps
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Anybody remember Andy Carroll?

          3. Lucy.
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Hasn't he got two years left? So doesn't have to move?

            1. goriuanx
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              One of those who opens his mouth every summer for a move

    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      McDogshit WC legend that guy

  14. Del Monte
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Cech 5.5?

    1. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Thinking 6.0

      1. Del Monte
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        De Gea started 5.5 this season, only Hart and Courtois at 6.0

        1. Gregor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          and Cech.

    2. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Maybe 6
      Price for Bellerin?

      1. Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        5.5

      2. The Nuttman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Too much.

      3. Gooner97
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        5.5 imo

      4. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        he and Garbutt will be my punts for the near future

    3. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Too much regardless.

      1. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        anything over 5.5 no way would I take him. Too many other choices at Arsenal.

        1. Tommytour
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Koscielny a much better option, Bellerin worth a risk at a cheaper price

    4. Gooner97
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Probably 6m

    5. Jafooli
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No chance.....6.0m min

    6. The Nuttman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not if transfer is done before prices.

  15. Lord Flashheart
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    strange strategy question:

    lets say your season is divided to three -
    phase 1 - drafting your team till first WC - lets say for example gw1-gw10
    phase 2 - first WC to winter WC - lets say gw11-gw25
    phase 3 - after winter WC - gw26-gw38

    now, you find each time the best relatively cheap defensive rotation (lets say WBA/SWA for first period, LEI/SUN for second, etc. - just examples)

    then you pick 1GK and 2 defenders from each team(3 and 3 total) and one IVAN/koscielny to anchor your defence - each week you play your anchor and the three defenders from the selected team.

    of course the rotating teams should not have a major attacking attraction as you will not be able to bring him on.

    advantages:
    1 - cheap - allows you to focus greater funds to other parts.
    2 - saves transfers in the back - unless there is a long term injury or ban, no need to worry about defenders
    3 - potential for big returns (x3) if a CS comes in

    i know its a risky strategy and unorthodox, but was wondering if anyone ever tried that, ever for a shorter period?

    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Tosey? 😯

      1. Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        ?

        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          He was a poster on here a couple of years ago who did exactly that quite regularly. Quite often with Pulis' stoke.

          1. Lord Flashheart
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            nice - i'n only here 2-3 years so did not see it but cool

            1. Billy Gilmore
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Might even be worth considering with WBA should a couple of their defenders come in at 5. Very, very risky strategy though.

              1. Tommytour
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Only problem I have with WBA defenders is they don't like baps

                1. Billy Gilmore
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Who cares if they hoover up the CSs?

                  1. Tommytour
                    • 13 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    Other options like PVA who come with bonus?

                    GKs are Broms best asset

              2. Lord Flashheart
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                yes. high risk high reward - and allows you to focus efforts (transfers) elsewhere - CS is anyway a bit of a crapshoot...

    2. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Just checking if I've understood properly:

      Team A - Team B
      Ivan - Team A - Team A - Team B - Team B

      Like this?

      1. Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        yup

        1. Lucy.
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I guess it would depend on just how good the rotation was. Realistically, I can't see myself finding a rotation that's good enough for long enough to make that strategy tempting.

          1. Lord Flashheart
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            might be worth a look - major issue is that you will WC for completely different reasons usually 🙂

      2. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Otherwise known as the Tosey Triple

        1. Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          ah, didnt know it had a name 🙂

    3. The Nuttman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I thought about it last season but didn't have the balls to go all in.

      1. Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        last season 3 Southampton guys would have been golden 🙂

        1. The Nuttman
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I did the Bertrand and Clyne double up for a while and got quite a decent amount of points.

        2. The Nuttman
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          If you got an injury would you do a sideways transfer?

          1. Lord Flashheart
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            depends - if teh team i gambles on proved itself - why not. if it turned out to be weaker than presumed, might take the chance to change horses

    4. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ah, the old Tosey Triple trick ... 😀

  16. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyway, I'm off to attend to my stoma.

    1. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      What does one say? Have fun? 😀

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        "I hope it goes smoothly". 😉

    2. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      bon apetite

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        It certainly changes one's view of what is good to eat ... 😀

        1. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Shudders.

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Most Italians examine their own poo every day. 😉

            1. Zombie
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              ratemypoo.com

              I don't know why I know about this website though 🙁

              1. In Like Flynn.
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Is that a Fantasy Poo site or the Premiership Poo League?

    3. Black Knights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Wow, new pic. This one was around a while ago; was it you back then or is this a tribute?

  17. Tommytour
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Could Sakho be cheap enough to rotate? Pool have some juicy home games and he loves a bap!

    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Can't see him not being 5.5m again, so too expensive. I think I'd be more tempted with Can if they reclassify him.

      1. Tommytour
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Got any initials defensive thoughts BG?

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sakho managed a grand total of 10. Bloody hopeless!!!

      1. Tommytour
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Often injured, if you look at the Bap analysis articles he was up there with Skrtel

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          No, he wasn't. Not nearly. In my book, anyway. Never troubled the scorers.

            1. Tommytour
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Well Cresswell is tempting me more 😉

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                - and that is a different argument. Cresswel is tempting me too. Particularly with those fixtures!!!

            2. Zombie
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I need to renew my membership ASAP, don't I 😉 ?

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Yeppers! 🙂

                1. Zombie
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Well, this month end then 🙂

                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    Excellent! 😀

  18. Dr Dream
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Bernard Traore of Chelsea follows Arsenal's Wellington Silva in being granted a work permit to play in the prem He will now join the Chelsea first team squad.

    Two to watch I suspect...especially if they end up being loaned out.

      1. The Nuttman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        The poll for who will win the premier league is interesting to say the least, 31% say Arsenal, only 90% say Man City.

        1. The Nuttman
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I mean only 9% obviously, showing my personal biased in the first post.

  19. Gooner97
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Arsenal are interested in signing Borussia Dortmund striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang next season, claim Bild.

    1. JÆKS ⭐
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Would be a good signing for them

  20. Parm
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Most popular 4.0m defender sweepstake.

    I'll take Craig Cathcart.

    1. Hooky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ian Harte

    2. Jafooli
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'd like to see a 3.5m playing def and 4.0m playing mid. Would be great....

      1. Hooky
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I'd like to see Ipswich play passing football. Don't think either of us have much hope.

  21. Zombie
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    We are too polite for a football forum 😆

    1. The Nuttman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I rather refute that claim good poster.

      1. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Let's refute it together over a drink or sth 😉

        1. The Nuttman
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yes, I require refreshment, to the public house.

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Some of us have been working hard to achieve that ... 😕

      1. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Rally love and appreciate the hard work, by the mods as well as us the posters. 3.5 years here and the amazement only increase 😀

    3. Parm
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      So long as you have a gravatar i'm fine, otherwise...

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        When is the Jamaican Palm making a reappearance? 🙂

        1. Parm
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          ....

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            You know - your old grav? Beautiful. 🙂

            1. Parm
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              😛

              1. The Light Knight
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                If you're doing requests, can I have the Berba tree back please? Ta

                1. Parm
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Remind me at Christmas time.

                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    Hooray!!! It is lovely. 😀

              2. Lawrø
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                😯

        2. The Light Knight
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          The same could be asked of Stracq... 😉

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            StracquaLURsi ... ! 😀

            1. The Light Knight
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              LURverely 😀

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Ah. There you are!

                And here are my dark, soulful(mad, staring) Eyes!!!

                Denis, Denis ...

    4. Doolittle
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sod off 😉

    5. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Up yours, ya brainless braineater

      1. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        thanks 😆

        Finally some recognition

  22. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    on twitter, i've seen Liverpool are looking at Douglas Costa

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      That would represent the tin lid!

  23. Del Monte
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Fabinho > Utd

    It's On!!

  24. Zombie
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Among all the transfer rumours, I present our possible starting XI next season - http://imgur.com/B8hpVR2 😀 😀

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      why is Cillessen playing at Rb?

      1. The Light Knight
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Weak effort, IE, please try harder

    2. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      😆

  25. Eze Really?
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Simon March last year had 3 premium mids/forwards averaging 31 mil per player. Averaging out his team value at 104.5, this represented 29.67% of his player value.

    He attained 655 points for the players and 259 additional captain points.

    His total score of 2470 shows he managed 26.52% of his total score with these players. Add the captain points, which were not always his premium players 914 points achieve or 37% of his score.

    Obviously, the need for premium players for captaincy is important but 30% of his value only achieved 26.5% of his score.
    Does that leave one to think emphasis is too much on premium players or should one spread the wealth?
    I know there are holes in my calculations but is there a possible algorithm to beat the best?

    1. Hooky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I think you probably need to take into account the prices for the bench players (and remove from the £104.5) who don't score any points.

      1. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Good point. That will make points returns even greater for lesser players. take his bench at 13.5 mil or 13% out of the equation then 57% of his remaining players scored 1 556 points or 70% of his points excluding the captaincy.

        1. Hooky
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Interesting. There was a lot of good value in the likes of Kane, Austin, Chadli, Soton defence last year so this could explain it a bit. I think we will be lucky if we get that again this season.

          1. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I agree but the numbers are strange:
            Defenders and Gkeepers 20% of the money 30% of his score.
            Premium 30% of the money for 37% of his score.
            The rest 50% of his money getting 23%

            1. Black Knights
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              That's only 90% of his score.

    2. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Premium players offer better captaincy choices. Take Kane out of the equation and DGW's, then I would have thought near 100% of his captaincies were premium players.

      1. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Actually no. He had Hazard, Rooney, Sanchez, Kun, Ya Ya and Costa as his premium players at various times but captained Kane, Giroud, Silva, Austin as captains as well. Probably evens out with the likes of Silva as not classed as a premium player.

        1. The Sarjeant
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I'd say Silva is a premium player. I said take Kane out the of equation. More often than not he would have captained a premium player.

          1. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            He is close to one I admit but if you take the 259 points he got from the captain out but accept he would still have a good player to captain. you will see his defenders made the difference. Even if you include the captain he spent 30% of his money to get 37% of his score. his defenders cost 20% of his money to get 30% of his score.
            The numbers say defence is crucial. the other 4 players he had playing got only 13% of his score.

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Each season is different tbh. What worked for Mr March this season, might give him a 10k rank next season.

      It's all about adapting to the current season.

      1. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Obviously it would be a whopping job to survey everyone and you are right, adapting is key.
        What is better though than adopting a strategy early on based on a method that worked last year.
        He managed 737 pts with defenders and Gkeepers using only 3 apart from 2 times.
        He used 2 premium defenders for the majority of the season and it represents 33.3% of his points with 25% less money compared to 26% for his premium players.
        I think it goes to show his choices of defenders helped him big time to win.

  26. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I have no clue about cricket but play on have some game on caribean premer league.
    So do anyone have any insight, which teams are the best? Any player that is a must have?

    1. Parm
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Are you playing PlayOn?

      1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yeah well, started to try it a few of the last gw's. Was quite fun actually as I have no cash ml to play. Think I'm gonna make a bugdet for all 38 gw's next season.

        1. Parm
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Just got on the site, looks like Santokie is a steal if he plays. Top wicket taker 2 years back. Rampaul for the other bowling spot.

          All-rounders i'd go for one of Gayle/Pollard purely for budget reasons(i'd go Gayle but Pollard had a monster first game) alongside Andre Russell.

          Batsmen, one of Jayawardene or Smith alongside Carter who actually keeps instead of Hope.

          Keeper, Walton will probably play, Hope won't. Matter of how that extra few million goes in terms of improving the rest of your team.

          1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Thx a lot. I'm clueless when it comes to cricket.

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        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          :Ozil:

        2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          🙂

    2. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Step away from the keyboard

      1. Zombie
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This. I love cricket (Indian, duh) but still won't a cricket fantasy game

        1. Black Knights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I finished 160th in the IPL Fantasy league this year, 9th of all Overseas players. Pretty proud of that in my first year.

          1. Zombie
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            well done indeed

  27. Now I'm Panicking
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    "Southampton signs Soares" is an anagram of "Posh tasting enormous ass"

    1. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jarvish is an anagram of: Sir H. Vaj

      1. The Light Knight
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        A Starjet Hen?

        1. The Sarjeant
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I dunno why, but that actually made me laugh.

        2. Now I'm Panicking
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Shat near jet?

          1. Hooky
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Jet from gladiators?

            1. Epic Fail
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Too many letters. There's at least a G too many.

              1. Hooky
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Wasn't an anagram sorry, I was just reminiscing.

              1. Hooky
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Work email is blocking whatever this is!

                1. Zombie
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  You ain't missing much 😉

  28. Gooner97
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Pepe Reina to Napoli is official.

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      *tears up gw1 plan*

      1. Hooky
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Time to hop on over to FantasySerieAScout

    2. The Nuttman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Surely not to stunt Rafael's growth?

      1. Gooner97
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Rafael was terrible last season...as Andujar. But they must improve the defence

  29. Messi & fabregas
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    FPL WIZARD was awesome last season

    is it updated for the 2015/16 season yet? it really did the rotation planner magic!

    does anyone know?

    1. Zombie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not updated yet. At least not on Google play store