Moving Target

Moving Target – Danny Graham

Hull City boss Steve Bruce added to his forward options late last week by acquiring Danny Graham on a season-long loan deal from Sunderland. The former Swansea man is the club’s seventh signing of the summer and follows the likes of Allan McGregor, Curtis Davies, Maynor Figueroa and Ahmed Elmohamady to the KC Stadium as The Tigers prepare for life back in the Premier League.

Having fallen out of favour under Paolo Di Canio after just six months at Sunderland, Graham’s security of game time looks set for a significant increase in the season ahead. Judging by his new manager’s comments, it’s clear that Bruce – who has an option to make the deal permanent at the end of 2013/14 – is a huge fan of the 27-year-old:

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  1. Absinthe 42
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Second set of rotations. Now it’s time for the 3x1.
    It’s rather ironic these are being posted under the Danny Graham article, a man who helps clean sheets along nicely.

    If you missed part one on the 2x1 rotations, complete with all the methodology explanations, it is here: http://bit.ly/15cHeHZ

    Three defenders, one of which you play every week.
    Meanwhile you have two better defenders to be ever present in your team.

    In theory the ratings here should be considerably better than the 2x1 ratings, since you get an extra fixture each week to choose from.

    Our best 2x1 rating was -4.28 off a fixture difficulty score of -38.5

    The 3x1s have lower ratings from better fixture difficulty scores.
    That makes sense as the third team contribute 50% compared to the other two teams (100% to 150%) or 33.33% of the total to put it in different terms.

    Our best rating is now -3.68, from a fixture difficulty score of -51.5

    Here are the top 50 rotations

    Trio Score $ Rating
    1 EVE FUL SWA -51.50 14.0 -3.68
    2 EVE SOT WBA -51.00 14.0 -3.64
    3 EVE NEW SWA -49.00 14.0 -3.50
    4 EVE FUL SOT -47.00 13.5 -3.48
    5 EVE FUL STO -47.50 14.0 -3.39
    6 EVE SOT SWA -47.50 14.0 -3.39
    7 CPL EVE FUL -44.00 13.0 -3.38
    8 CPL EVE SOT -44.00 13.0 -3.38
    9 EVE HUL SWA -45.50 13.5 -3.37
    10 EVE FUL SUN -45.00 13.5 -3.33
    11 EVE NEW SOT -45.00 13.5 -3.33
    12 AVL EVE SWA -46.50 14.0 -3.32
    13 EVE FUL WBA -46.50 14.0 -3.32
    14 EVE SWA WBA -47.50 14.5 -3.28
    15 EVE FUL NEW -44.00 13.5 -3.26
    16 EVE SOT STO -45.50 14.0 -3.25
    17 CPL EVE NEW -41.50 13.0 -3.19
    18 AVL EVE WBA -44.50 14.0 -3.18
    19 EVE FUL WHM -42.50 13.5 -3.15
    20 EVE SOT SUN -42.50 13.5 -3.15
    21 EVE SUN SWA -44.00 14.0 -3.14
    22 EVE STO SWA -45.50 14.5 -3.14
    23 AVL CPL EVE -40.50 13.0 -3.12
    24 CPL EVE HUL -38.50 12.5 -3.08
    25 AVL EVE FUL -41.50 13.5 -3.07
    26 CAR EVE SWA -41.50 13.5 -3.07
    27 CPL EVE SWA -41.50 13.5 -3.07
    28 EVE SOT WHM -41.50 13.5 -3.07
    29 EVE HUL SOT -39.50 13.0 -3.04
    30 EVE NEW WBA -42.50 14.0 -3.04
    31 EVE SWA WHM -42.50 14.0 -3.04
    32 AVL EVE STO -42.00 14.0 -3.00
    33 EVE FUL HUL -39.00 13.0 -3.00
    34 FUL NEW SWA -42.00 14.0 -3.00
    35 NEW SOT SWA -41.50 14.0 -2.96
    36 CPL EVE WBA -40.00 13.5 -2.96
    37 EVE FUL NOR -40.00 13.5 -2.96
    38 CAR EVE FUL -38.50 13.0 -2.96
    39 EVE NEW STO -41.00 14.0 -2.93
    40 NEW SWA WHM -41.00 14.0 -2.93
    41 EVE HUL WBA -39.50 13.5 -2.93
    42 CPL SOT WHM -38.00 13.0 -2.92
    43 EVE STO WBA -42.00 14.5 -2.90
    44 EVE NOR SWA -40.50 14.0 -2.89
    45 CAR EVE SOT -37.50 13.0 -2.88
    46 CPL EVE SUN -37.50 13.0 -2.88
    47 AVL EVE NEW -38.50 13.5 -2.85
    48 CPL EVE STO -38.50 13.5 -2.85
    49 NEW SOT WHM -38.50 13.5 -2.85
    50 CPL NEW SOT -37.00 13.0 -2.85

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    1. Pete Campbell
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      Nearly all of them have Everton!

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      1. Clintymints
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        Coleman sorted

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        1. Saniul
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          I would never rotate Coleman.

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    2. Ryan
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      EVE FUL SWA looks nice: Coleman, Amorebieta, Taylor, 14m looks good.

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      1. Saniul
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Spend 14m on the three defenders, and play one of them? No way.

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        1. Ryan
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          Fair point. Probably would be better as part of a 5 way rotation.

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      2. Javra
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        Provided Taylor secures starts and doesn't get rotated.

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      3. Absinthe 42
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        Alcaraz, Amorebieta, Williams really. Taylor looks far from nailed on.
        Big IF on EVE there too.

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    3. Lord Flashheart
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      As much as I admire the work you did, doing rotations for the entire season is pointless:
      1 - everyone will use a wc in January - so any rotation after gw 22 or so is pointless completely.
      2 - majority of people will use their other wc between gw4 and 10 (you know it is so...)
      3 - someone will get injured/red card/replaced for a nailed on star

      So, ideally, you run the same analysis for 7gwa or 11gws - reaching an international break and a likely wc. I would be very interested in this methodology used on the first 11gws.

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      1. Ryan
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        I think this one is for GW1-19 which is reasonable imo. Not everyone wants to use their WC in the first half of the season.

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        1. Lord Flashheart
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          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          I see. But still, swans first few are a nightmare for example so first 7 or 11 gws rotation will have ig ifferences

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          1. Lord Flashheart
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            * big differences

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            1. Absinthe 42
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              Yes bad start for SWA, but my combinations are based on fire and forget. So maybe SWA are not used until a later GW, and you can start with a different def if you wish.

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      2. Absinthe 42
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        1. It's GW1-19.
        2. Doesn't matter. I can still work out the best combination at any point in the season, and modify team ratings as we go.
        3. So at that point, find the best new rotation and make a transfer.

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    4. Ryan
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      Add this link into your HT in the comments. Then people will be able to access all the rotations on you HT.

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      1. GreenWindmill
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        Agreed - the hot topic will be mammoth but it will be good to have a single point of reference for these.

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        1. Ryan
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          A simple link should be adequate then people will click onto this post for 3x1

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          1. GreenWindmill
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            Ah sorry, yes, the technoweb allows that sort of thing doesn't it - still getting the hang of this computer fad 😳

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    5. Pete Campbell
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      What do you thin of having Mertesacker and rotating BTurner, Chester, Clyne and Parr?

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      1. Absinthe 42
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        It's the 878th best 4x2 rotation.
        So it's not a good idea.

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    6. Ginkapo FPL
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      Word of warning;

      Fixtures cannot be catagorised into two groups, home and away that easily. Some away matches are easier than others, some are harder independant of the opposition.

      Predicting a teams ability in a future season is impossible as there is a complete lack of information to base judgements on.

      But hey its a good effort.

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      1. Absinthe 42
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        Some away matches are easier..... what do you mean by 'independent of the opposition'?

        "Predicting a teams ability in a future season is impossible" - Well that's not true.The league is more predictable now than it ever has been.

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      2. GreenWindmill
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        Pretty sure his fixture difficulty is based more on a weighted opinion of the fixture difficulty than just home/away - still a guess but to his credit he hasn't copped out and taken the home/away route.

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        1. Ginkapo FPL
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          Oooh thats good.

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  2. EmreCan Hustle
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    10 years, 11 months ago

    After a lot of tinkering, this team seems to make sense! RMT Please?

    Marshall
    Vertonghen Mertesacker Collins
    Bale Cazorla Coutinho Mirallas
    Sturridge Berbatov Rodriguez

    Speroni J.Thomas Clyne Chester

    Thanks.

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    1. Lord Flashheart
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      Coutinio over priced IMO and you have Sturridge. Why not silva?

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      1. EmreCan Hustle
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        i have feeling silva will share game time with navas or even nasri! coutinho is nailed, equally good fixtures and no new manger!

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  3. Pete Campbell
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    If Chelsea DOES end up having the DGW in week 1 who is then is a "Must Have" besides Hazard?

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    1. Arn De Gothia
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      Mata, Luiz

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    2. Clintymints
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      luiz for me

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    3. EmreCan Hustle
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      ivanovic, now that azpi is a doubt!

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      1. Arn De Gothia
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        thnx

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    4. Michaelangelo
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      lukaku
      spanish trio will be off at ecuador friendly

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    5. Pete Campbell
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      I think if it does go ahead I will only bring in Hazard and captain him as Im not convinced by anyone else

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  4. Lord Flashheart
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    Thoughts about Jarvis as a very cheap route to whm attacking points in the first 6 gws instead on Nolan?

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    1. Albert Cole
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      • 13 Years
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      Joe Cole.

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    2. EmreCan Hustle
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      noble

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  5. Beautiful Game
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    anyone has any idea what could be norwich's first xi???

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    1. Saniul
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      Ruddy-
      Garrido- Turner- Bassong- Martin
      Fer- Johnson-
      Olsson/Pilkington- Redmond- Snodgrass
      RvW.

      (4-2-3-1)

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      1. Beautiful Game
        • 11 Years
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        hoolahan???

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        1. Saniul
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Not good enough as AM. I expect Redmond to replace him.

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          1. Acquafresca
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Redmond is one for the future. Definitely don't see him starting many games. Bench warmer/ impact sub imo.

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      2. pompeyfan
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I would like to think Fer will be played further up. or as part of a fluid 4-3-3 with license to get into the box whenever he likes

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  6. vova
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Mignolet 4.0 GK
    Mertesacker Turner (CAR) Coleman Clyne Collins
    Hazard Mirallas Bale Walcott Thomas
    Sturridge Berbatov Lambert

    VS

    Foster Boruc
    Chester Turner Turner Clyne Collins
    Hazard Mirallas Bale Snodgrass Thomas
    Sturridge RVP JRod

    Last time I asked I got 1 vote for each... can you help me out 🙂

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    1. Veejp123
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I'd vote A, but with B's defence

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      1. vova
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        surely the other way around?

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    2. Pete Campbell
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      B with A's defence if possible

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    3. buffrey
      • 11 Years
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      The second one is almost identical to my current team so I'll vote for that one.

      Chelsea DGW pending of course.

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    4. Test Eagles
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Probably the first one, the second one has a very cheap defence which might not counteract the expensive forward line. I'd even consider a Man City / Chelsea option in there too?

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    5. EmreCan Hustle
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      B

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  7. keitho82
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    10 years, 11 months ago

    First draft done, good start me thinks. Any comments??

    Mannone

    Dawson Zab Cuellar

    Paulinho Fellaini Siva Arteta

    RVP Sturridge Lukaku

    Bench: Jakupovic, Baker, Cameron, Mikel

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    1. Scab
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      midfield needs work...

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      1. keitho82
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        how so? Paulinho will play an advanced role and will get plenty of assists if they get a top striker in. Fellaini is a no brainer, Silva (if he get the gametime) and was trying to get walcott in for arteta. Whats your midfield?

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        1. bmic
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Paulinho will play in a position like Lampard. He might get assists, he might get nothing.

          Fallaini might play very deep. Silva might not even play.

          But good luck, I much rather like an experiment than the generic team.

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          1. Just A Hat
            • 15 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            What is this Silva might not even play nonsense? He is City's best midfielder

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        2. Test Eagles
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          Wow ... see my post below!

          Kudos to you Keethy!

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        3. Scab
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          Im not sure about an advanced role for Paulinho, fellaini doesnt appeal to me, silva might not get gametime, arteta might benefit from new bonus but still not goal scorer.

          mine is

          Bale, Hazard, Coutinho, Snodgrass, Koren

          but i dont have RVP, forwards are gayle, aguero, lukaku

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          1. bmic
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Is this Gayle guy the real deal? 😛

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            1. Scab
              • 10 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              I dont know too much, I do hear good things though, he is the focal point for the whole team.

              I plan on rotating him and Koren depending on fixtures, plus at 5 mil he frees up a lot of funds.

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          2. keitho82
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            10 years, 11 months ago

            How is my midfield generic and you have Bale hazard and snodgrass?? I would have thought that too was a "generic" team. and why would fellaini play deep if his attacking role is so lethal. Everyone is harping on about hazard wihtout a mention for fellaini, with the number of chelsea midfielders, you can gaurantee hazard will also be a rotation risk imo. im in two minds on arteta and silva, my heavy forward line gives me limited options for big hitters in the midfield

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            1. Scab
              • 10 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              you need to relax, nobody said it was generic, it could just use a bit more work. dont take constructive criticism personally.

              People are playing hazard just for the potential DGW in week 1.

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              1. keitho82
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                10 years, 11 months ago

                Ha i am relaxed,my tone obviously came across wrong there lol. thanks for input

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  8. bmic
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    10 years, 11 months ago

    It seems there will be no DGW, then version 2 is:

    Vorm
    Yoshida - Ramage - Baines (I am sure he will be a winger this year : P)
    Cazorla - Nolan - Hazard - Bale - Dyer (he seems in form)
    Ruiz - Giroud (if no one else comes)

    Marshall - Lambert - Turner - Chester

    🙂

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    1. Big Fudge
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      Lambert on the bench? Seems a bit pricey IMO

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      1. bmic
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Just for this first week 🙂

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        1. Big Fudge
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          I'd start Lambert over Dwyer 🙂

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        2. Del Griffith
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Lambert scored more goals away than at home last season ....

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    2. Pete Campbell
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      Yoshida is a good pick

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  9. Test Eagles
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    Just going to put this out there ... absolutely no love for Fellaini who finished in the top 8 of midfielders this year. Assuming he doesn't move he's still exceptional value I would have thought?? Then if he bumbles off to Man United or Arsenal he's still great value!

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    1. Pete Campbell
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      He is more expensive than last year an likely to play further back then last year

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  10. Pete Campbell
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    Thoughts?

    Mignolet Jones

    Mert Clyne BTurner Chester Parr

    Bale Walcott(Haz if DGW) Mirallas Snodgrass Koren

    RVP Berbs JRod

    After alot of thought Im pretty happy with this team.

    Im happy to forgo City cover because of rotation risk and Cheslea cover if they dont have the DGW.

    The defence is the only weak area, but if you are going to have any weakness surely you want it in defence.

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  11. ginacamp12
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Found this app for android :
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.homemade.ffm2&hl=en
    I think its really good, try it out guys.

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    1. Mak_Gold
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Is this for FPL?

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        1. ginacamp12
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          yaa

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    2. Saniul
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Anyone else who fancies Vaz Te instead of Rodriguez as the cheap third striker?

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      1. Acquafresca
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        Doosra.

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        1. Saniul
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          I think he is a great prospect for the first few weeks, since we know that Carroll will be on the sidelines.

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        2. Beautiful Game
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          + GB

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    4. Sigga -Cardiff City-
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      hey people
      i just became a member and wow! this site really does have some handy gear in the members' section

      using the comparison tool, i've decided Coutinho may well be the best player for FPL mids (Outside of bale)

      He creates chances
      takes chances
      never runs back or waste time tackling (perhaps less likely to get yellow)

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      1. Clintymints
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        What else is behind that magic FPL curtain 😉

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          Lots Al. First season for me with them. You'd win FPL with your skills & membership. 🙂

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          1. Clintymints
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            10 years, 11 months ago

            I'd rather not see what's there, I'd rather use my illusion!

            I'll be in your neck of the woods for the duration of this season it seems so I'm sure my rank will take a bit of a battering... Although last year I done sweet fa and ended up the best yet

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              Nice, you'll probably win FPL then. 😉

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              1. Clintymints
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                Highly likely 8)

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      2. Acquafresca
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        Despite his stats he's overpriced.

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    5. Justin Credibles
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      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Hi guys, please rate my team -

      Mingolet
      Coleman Gibbs Walker Shaw Olsson
      Hazard Walcott Coutinho Bellamy Thomas
      Augero Sturidge Anelka

      Cheers guys

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    6. Lord Flashheart
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      A Jarvis and sissoko
      B Nolan and Thomas
      ?

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      1. Clintymints
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Neither but B if you must

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        1. Lord Flashheart
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          Any alternative for 11.5? Other mids are bale hazard Miralas
          Strikers are kun, stu, jrod

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          1. Clintymints
            • 15 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Snod and any 5.0 of choice! Koren, Brady, Diami not sure who else

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      2. Test Eagles
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        B quite easily

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      3. Big Fudge
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        Snodgrass and Koren is what I went with 😀

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        1. Lord Flashheart
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          • 12 Years
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          Intersting idea. What do you do for whm cover for heir lovely run?

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          1. Clintymints
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            10 years, 11 months ago

            Carroll out could dent it a bit so maybe collins at 4.5 at the back for some wham cover?

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            1. Big Fudge
              • 11 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              That's my west ham cover, Collins 😀

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            2. Lord Flashheart
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              Cheers

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        That would change things. 🙂

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      2. GreenWindmill
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        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Oh for the love of...

        I don't want a GW1 DGW for heaven's sake!

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      3. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Mourinho not even quoted in that.. they have just made their own assumptions and conclusions. Hate the mail

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        1. Valar(Keith)
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          Non story if i've ever seen one.

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    7. Just A Hat
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      10 years, 11 months ago

      Interesting reading on the Bluemoon forum a lot of people seem to think Dzeko is still in control of the starting lone striker role, I still think its 50/50 who will start but believe that Dzeko is one of the most underrated strikers in the premier league at the moment (especially on the site where some people seem to think he isn't going to play at all and may as well leave)

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      1. Clintymints
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        10 years, 11 months ago

        Has he been linked to anywhere? Would it be totally insane if arsenal put in a cheeky bid for him

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      2. GreenWindmill
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        Understandable speculation though - the new manager has brought in 2 new strikers, one of whom is pretty much in the Dzeko style. Way too risky to be touching any of them for me.

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        1. Valar(Keith)
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          +1

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      3. Hubert
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I agree, he's a class act.

        Spurs wold do well to snap him up, would be much cheaper than Soldado I'm guessing...

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    8. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Is Ba gonna be loaned out or anythin? want to get lukaku in for GW 1 but there's Ba to worry about even with torres on international duty

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      1. Pete Campbell
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        He'll still be at Chelsea. Ba afraid. Ba very afraid.

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        1. Valar(Keith)
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          🙂

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    9. Absinthe 42
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Now I move onto the 4x2 rotation ratings. I posted it about 30 mins ago, but it's not appeared, so apologies if it shows up twice.

      This is where you have four cheap(ish) defenders and play two of them each week, allowing a bit more budget to go on one ever present defensive stalwalt.

      Part one was here: http://bit.ly/15cHeHZ
      Part two was here: http://bit.ly/161bp67

      This is where I hoped the research would get really interesting, since it starts to get a bit of a mind fuck to try and see the best path to navigate just by looking at a season ticker.

      An easy way to try and approach this might be to get two sets of 2x1 rotations. Much easier to work out, and you might think it does pretty much the same job as a 4x2. So let’s see if that holds true.

      As previously mentioned the best rotations so far scored:

      2x1 Rating -4.28 Fixtures -38.5
      3x1 Rating -3.68 Fixtures -51.5

      The best for the 4x2 is:

      4x2 Rating -3.95 Fixtures -73

      Here’s the top 50 from the total of 1001 combinations

      Rank Quartet Score $ Rating
      1 EVE NEW SOT SWA -73.0 18.50 -3.95
      2 EVE FUL NEW SWA -72.5 18.50 -3.92
      3 EVE SOT SWA WHM -71.5 18.50 -3.86
      4 EVE FUL SOT SWA -69.5 18.50 -3.76
      5 EVE SOT SWA WBA -70.5 19.00 -3.71
      6 AVL EVE SOT SWA -68.5 18.50 -3.70
      7 EVE FUL SWA WHM -68.5 18.50 -3.70
      8 CPL EVE NEW SOT -64.5 17.50 -3.69
      9 EVE FUL NEW SOT -65.5 18.00 -3.64
      10 CPL EVE SOT WHM -63.5 17.50 -3.63
      11 EVE NEW STO SWA -68.5 19.00 -3.61
      12 EVE SOT STO WHM -66.5 18.50 -3.59
      13 EVE FUL SOT WHM -64.5 18.00 -3.58
      14 EVE NEW SWA WBA -68.0 19.00 -3.58
      15 EVE NEW SOT STO -66.0 18.50 -3.57
      16 CPL EVE FUL SOT -62.0 17.50 -3.54
      17 AVL EVE FUL SWA -65.5 18.50 -3.54
      18 EVE NEW SWA WHM -65.5 18.50 -3.54
      19 EVE NEW SOT WBA -65.0 18.50 -3.51
      20 EVE NEW SUN SWA -65.0 18.50 -3.51
      21 EVE NEW SOT SUN -63.0 18.00 -3.50
      22 AVL EVE SOT STO -64.5 18.50 -3.49
      23 EVE SOT SUN SWA -64.5 18.50 -3.49
      24 AVL EVE STO SWA -66.0 19.00 -3.47
      25 CPL EVE NEW SWA -62.5 18.00 -3.47
      26 CPL EVE SOT SWA -62.5 18.00 -3.47
      27 EVE SOT WBA WHM -64.0 18.50 -3.46
      28 AVL CPL EVE SOT -60.5 17.50 -3.46
      29 EVE NEW SOT WHM -62.0 18.00 -3.44
      30 EVE FUL SOT WBA -63.5 18.50 -3.43
      31 EVE STO SWA WHM -65.0 19.00 -3.42
      32 EVE HUL NEW SWA -61.5 18.00 -3.42
      33 EVE HUL SOT SWA -61.5 18.00 -3.42
      34 AVL EVE SOT WBA -63.0 18.50 -3.41
      35 CPL EVE SOT WBA -61.0 18.00 -3.39
      36 AVL EVE NEW SWA -62.5 18.50 -3.38
      37 EVE FUL NEW SUN -60.5 18.00 -3.36
      38 EVE SOT STO SWA -63.5 19.00 -3.34
      39 AVL EVE NEW SOT -60.0 18.00 -3.33
      40 AVL EVE STO WHM -61.5 18.50 -3.32
      41 EVE FUL SUN SWA -61.5 18.50 -3.32
      42 AVL EVE STO WBA -63.0 19.00 -3.32
      43 AVL EVE SWA WBA -63.0 19.00 -3.32
      44 EVE FUL STO SWA -63.0 19.00 -3.32
      45 EVE SOT STO WBA -63.0 19.00 -3.32
      46 CPL EVE HUL SOT -56.0 17.00 -3.29
      47 CPL EVE FUL NEW -57.5 17.50 -3.29
      48 AVL EVE SOT WHM -59.0 18.00 -3.28
      49 AVL EVE SWA WHM -60.5 18.50 -3.27
      50 EVE FUL SOT STO -60.5 18.50 -3.27

      The best of breed here gives some pretty nice fixtures.

      12 vs promoted teams.
      Just 1 against a top six team, with MCI for SOT in GW15.

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      1. Alternative Music Show
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks a lot for this info, it looks like I'm thinking an even cheaper defence myself. I'm leaning towards a four-way rotation, since mid-price defenders like Zabaleta and Enrique were some of my best signings this year. What do people think of this back line?

        Collins (WHM 4.5 is he a guaranteed starter?)
        Ramage (CPL 4.0)
        Shaw (SOT 4.5)
        Mertesacker (ARS 5.5)
        Chester (HUL)

        My view is that I don't see the point in rotating teams like Hull and Palace and having them play every week when they'll be lucky to get many clean sheets in the premier league. I'd rather have at least one decent defender playing every week myself, with no clean sheet they might still get a cheeky assist or bonus points or something.

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      2. Matthew
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        This seems very weighted towards Everton, which while understandable considering their strong value, is unhelpful for those of us planning to play Baines or Coleman every week. Would you mind making a version of this that excludes them?

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        1. Absinthe 42
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          We've moved on since here Matthew.
          Head to this topic, and you'll find links to some tables that allow you to do that.

          http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2013/07/26/fantasy-premier-league-player-list-analysis-budget-forwards/?hc_page=12#hc_comment_5109606

          However, it is still based on ratings that we think need a bit of work. So interpret yourself if you feel teams will be stronger or weaker than last season.

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    10. tom66
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      First draft done – look OK ?

      Szczesny
      Kompany , Coleman, Luiz
      Tonev, Bale, Mirallas, Hazard
      Berbatov, Giroud, Benteke

      (Boruc, Amoredieta, Thomas, Parr)

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    11. Absinthe 42
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Lastly it’s time for the UBERS!
      Come in Tommy, it’s the test of metal for those of us who are contemplating putting an Uber out there come final selection time.

      For previous installments of “How Does My Rotation Look”
      Part one: http://bit.ly/15cHeHZ
      Part two: http://bit.ly/161bp67
      Part three: Currently missing in the ether under moderation…

      5 teams from 14 comes to a total of 2002 combinations. If I knew what I do now, I wouldn’t have started this analysis. But once I start, I can’t stop. It’s a terrible trait to have.

      So this time it’s 5 defenders from lower 14 teams, and you have to play 3 of them each week. So no longer the security of a top team to fall back on.

      The best quintet gives a rating of -3.0, thus continuing the diminishing returns you’d expect, from fixture difficulty of -69.0

      Here’s the top 50 Uber lovers

      Quintet Score $ Rating
      1 EVE NEW SOT SWA WHM -69.0 23.0 -3.00
      2 EVE NEW SOT STO SWA -67.5 23.5 -2.87
      3 CPL EVE NEW SOT SWA -62.0 22.5 -2.76
      4 EVE NEW SOT SWA WBA -64.5 23.5 -2.74
      5 AVL EVE SOT SWA WHM -63.0 23.0 -2.74
      6 EVE FUL NEW SOT WHM -61.0 22.5 -2.71
      7 AVL EVE SOT STO SWA -63.5 23.5 -2.70
      8 EVE FUL SOT SWA WBA -63.0 23.5 -2.68
      9 EVE SOT STO SWA WHM -62.5 23.5 -2.66
      10 AVL EVE SOT STO WHM -61.0 23.0 -2.65
      11 AVL EVE NEW SOT WHM -59.5 22.5 -2.64
      12 CPL EVE FUL SOT SWA -59.5 22.5 -2.64
      13 EVE NEW STO SWA WHM -62.0 23.5 -2.64
      14 EVE FUL NEW SOT SWA -60.5 23.0 -2.63
      15 EVE NEW SOT STO WHM -60.0 23.0 -2.61
      16 CPL EVE NEW SOT STO -58.5 22.5 -2.60
      17 EVE NEW SOT SUN WHM -58.0 22.5 -2.58
      18 EVE SOT STO SWA WBA -61.0 24.0 -2.54
      19 AVL CPL EVE SOT STO -57.0 22.5 -2.53
      20 AVL EVE NEW SOT SWA -58.0 23.0 -2.52
      21 EVE FUL NEW SWA WHM -58.0 23.0 -2.52
      22 AVL EVE FUL NEW SOT -56.5 22.5 -2.51
      23 AVL EVE NEW SOT SUN -56.5 22.5 -2.51
      24 AVL EVE STO SWA WHM -59.0 23.5 -2.51
      25 AVL EVE SOT STO SUN -57.5 23.0 -2.50
      26 EVE FUL SOT SWA WHM -57.5 23.0 -2.50
      27 EVE FUL NEW SOT SUN -56.0 22.5 -2.49
      28 AVL EVE NEW SOT STO -57.0 23.0 -2.48
      29 AVL EVE NEW SWA WHM -57.0 23.0 -2.48
      30 EVE NEW SUN SWA WHM -57.0 23.0 -2.48
      31 AVL EVE SOT SWA WBA -58.0 23.5 -2.47
      32 EVE NEW SOT SUN SWA -56.5 23.0 -2.46
      33 EVE SOT SUN SWA WHM -56.5 23.0 -2.46
      34 AVL CPL EVE SOT SWA -55.0 22.5 -2.44
      35 AVL EVE FUL SOT WHM -55.0 22.5 -2.44
      36 EVE NEW SOT STO SUN -56.0 23.0 -2.43
      37 AVL EVE SOT STO WBA -57.0 23.5 -2.43
      38 CPL EVE NEW SOT WHM -53.0 22.0 -2.41
      39 EVE SOT SWA WBA WHM -56.5 23.5 -2.40
      40 CPL EVE SOT SWA WHM -54.0 22.5 -2.40
      41 AVL EVE SOT WBA WHM -54.5 23.0 -2.37
      42 EVE NEW SOT WBA WHM -54.5 23.0 -2.37
      43 CPL EVE SOT SWA WBA -54.0 23.0 -2.35
      44 EVE FUL NEW SWA WBA -55.0 23.5 -2.34
      45 EVE NEW SOT STO WBA -55.0 23.5 -2.34
      46 EVE SOT STO SUN SWA -55.0 23.5 -2.34
      47 AVL EVE NEW SOT WBA -53.5 23.0 -2.33
      48 AVL EVE NEW STO SWA -54.5 23.5 -2.32
      49 AVL EVE FUL SWA WHM -53.0 23.0 -2.30
      50 EVE FUL NEW SOT WBA -53.0 23.0 -2.30

      Keen viewers will see we have simply added WHM to the best 4x2.

      This #1 rated quintet give the following fixtures.

      15 vs promoted teams.
      4 vs top six teams.
      GW15 is nasty though, you have to take on MCI & liv having ditched two worse fixtures.
      But you could transfer your way around that by then if you planned for it.

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        A lot of 5.0m defenders in there. I like:

        NEW/SUN/EVE/WHM/HUL

        That's just 22m 🙂

        4.5/4.5/4.5/4.5/4.0

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        1. Absinthe 42
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Ranked at #226.

          All these are better for $22m (perhaps).

          38 CPL EVE NEW SOT WHM -53.0 22.0 -2.41
          55 AVL CPL EVE SOT WHM -50.0 22.0 -2.27
          56 CPL EVE NEW SOT SUN -49.5 22.0 -2.25
          60 CPL EVE HUL SOT SWA -49.0 22.0 -2.23
          61 EVE HUL NEW SOT WHM -49.0 22.0 -2.23
          68 AVL CPL EVE SOT SUN -48.0 22.0 -2.18
          69 AVL EVE HUL SOT WHM -47.5 22.0 -2.16
          73 EVE HUL NEW SOT SUN -47.0 22.0 -2.14
          82 CPL EVE FUL SOT SUN -46.0 22.0 -2.09
          108 CPL EVE FUL NEW SOT -44.0 22.0 -2.00
          120 CPL EVE FUL SOT WHM -43.5 22.0 -1.98
          126 AVL EVE HUL SOT SUN -43.0 22.0 -1.95
          129 AVL CPL EVE FUL SOT -42.5 22.0 -1.93
          130 AVL CPL EVE NEW SOT -42.5 22.0 -1.93
          141 AVL EVE HUL NEW SOT -41.5 22.0 -1.89
          157 CPL EVE NEW SUN WHM -40.0 22.0 -1.82
          158 CPL EVE SOT SUN WHM -40.0 22.0 -1.82
          173 CPL EVE HUL SOT STO -39.0 22.0 -1.77
          177 AVL CPL EVE NEW WHM -38.5 22.0 -1.75
          178 CAR EVE NEW SOT WHM -38.5 22.0 -1.75
          179 EVE HUL SOT SUN WHM -38.5 22.0 -1.75
          196 CPL EVE FUL NEW WHM -37.5 22.0 -1.70
          212 CAR CPL EVE SOT SWA -36.5 22.0 -1.66
          218 AVL CAR EVE SOT WHM -36.0 22.0 -1.64
          224 AVL CPL EVE NEW SUN -35.5 22.0 -1.61
          225 CPL EVE HUL SOT WBA -35.5 22.0 -1.61
          226 EVE HUL NEW SUN WHM -35.5 22.0 -1.61

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          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Cheers, don't like the Palace defence but replacing Sunderland with Southampton looks good 🙂

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            1. Absinthe 42
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              Palace behave very oddly in the fixture list.

              They pop up with good fixtures when many of these good lower 14 teams have hard games. I'm trying to ignore them, but on a good fixture day with their attacking philosophy they might score 2 or 3 and perhaps a def chips in.

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          2. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            How far ahead is this looking forward? I'm only concerned with the next 10 or so to be honest. We have transfers.

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            1. Absinthe 42
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              It's just GW1-19.
              See post 1 for the explanations. http://bit.ly/15cHeHZ

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      2. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        There are a lot of 5.0m players in there. Have you considered:

        New/Sun/Eve/Whm/Hul

        Just 22m

        4.5/4.5/4.5/4.5/4.0

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Ah!

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        2. A.T
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          4.5 for eve would be Alcaraz. Not nailed on.

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          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            I think he will be, but yeah that is the uncertainty in there...

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            1. A.T
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              I think he will too but maybe not from the start.

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              1. Absinthe 42
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                Yep as I noted in part #1. We need him to play.

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      3. CatMac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Just what I've been waiting for, many thanks. Can I ask why NOR isnt in there though? I'm currently looking at EVE-SOT-NOR-HUL-NEW which rotates pretty well barring a couple of dodgy weeks.

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        1. Absinthe 42
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          It comes in at 387th best uber.

          387 EVE HUL NEW NOR SOT -27.5 22.0 -1.25

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          1. CatMac
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            😯 does it? Hmmm...maybe a rethink is on the cards. Cheers Absinthe

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            1. Twelve years a slave
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              yes but why are norwich only coming in at 387 , is it because you have allocated them a low rating?

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              1. Absinthe 42
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                Norwich don't come in at 387th, that combination comes in at 387th.

                The way the fixtures fall is the main factor, however I will check for a problem with Norwich on my workings. You'd expect them to feature higher up.

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    12. Saniul
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      How long is Sturridge supposed to be out for?
      Is he out for the entire pre-season?

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      1. Clintymints
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        No idea but it makes the overpriced Brazilian more appealing paired up with Aguero

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        1. Saniul
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          I'd rather have Aspas. 😉

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    13. Scab
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      So, since nobody will give me judgement on my team, the lease I could get is a vote:

      Keep in mind both are assuming DGW for Chealsea:

      A) Mignolet (Davis)
      Mert, Nast, Coleman, Collins, Chester
      Bale, Hazard, Coutinho, Snodgrass, Koren
      Aguero, Gayle, Lukaku

      B) Boruc (Mannone)
      Nast, Toure, Coleman, Collins, Chester
      Bale, Hazard, Mirallas, Snodgrass, Koren
      RVP, Gayle, (Lambert/Kone/Dzeko/Berb/JROD)

      Please give me your thoughts!

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      1. Clintymints
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        B with Lambert

        A without Lukaku

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        1. Scab
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          haha and between those 2 choices?

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    14. Albert Cole
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Which 4.5 goalkeepers are certain starters?

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      1. Saniul
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Speroni, McGregor, Marshall, Boruc.
        And probably Mannone.

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    15. tw
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      can you guys honestly seen United selling Rooney to Arsenal or Chelsea? cuz I don't think they'd want to risk selling him to a rival and have that hurt them

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      1. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Rooney isn't for sale. United won't sell unless the bid is ridiculous or Rooney puts in a transfer request.

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    16. HERECOMETHEBELGIANS!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Apparently Mata, Torres & Azpilicueta will miss GW1 match against Hull.

      Lukaku - welcome to my team...

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/22/chelsea-juan-mata-fernando-torres

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      1. tw
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        don't forget about ba or a potential new signing (though I don't see which top notch strikers there are really left to be signed this summer...)

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      2. Buck The Trent
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        "What happens before the Hull City game has an impact. Also, if we have to play against Aston Villa two or three days later – we still don't know when that will be"

        DGW still a chance?

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      3. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Ba

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        1. HERECOMETHEBELGIANS!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Looks like Lukaku is impressing Mourhino the most though so far... I'd also keep hold of him against Man U afterwards seeing as he put 3 past them at the end of last season...

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      4. Scab
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        hmm Lukaku or Hazard for chelsea DGW coverage?

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        1. tw
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          both?

          I'd go lukaku, hazard, and schurrle if i knew all three would start both games of the dgw

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      5. Sánchez
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        What if Ba starts. Lukaku could have
        Bench
        Man Utd away (maybe from bench)
        Blank

        I think he starts week 1 myself, but fixtures and risk all point to avoid

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        1. HERECOMETHEBELGIANS!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          He's going to be 1 punt at the start of the season I think... He looks primed to start and knock a few past Hull. I also fancy him against Man U after his hat trick against them at the end of last season.

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          1. HERECOMETHEBELGIANS!
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            ...*my* one punt of the season

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          2. Sánchez
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Fair enough. Could easily pay off. Especially with this news. Much better than Ba in my view. Ba is sh1te.
            If DGW happens, Hazard is only player I would 100% want.
            Maybe Benteke.

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          3. FatmanAndRobin
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Please RMT? Any suggestions

            Szczesny/Boruc

            Shaw/Coleman/Collins/Nast/Baker

            Bale/Hazard/Walcott/Thomas/Colback

            RVP/Van Wolf/Anelka

            0 left in the bank unfortunately

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    17. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/22/rickie-lambert-free-to-leave-southampton-if-replacement-pablo-osvaldo-is-signed-from-roma-3892759/

      OK. I have been all set on Lambert and all the JRod talk wasn't stopping me. But with this and the reading link added to the talk that JRod would be main striker, the sensible thing has to be to listen to whats being said and stay clear. The last thing I want is to have him week 1 and 2, then for him to leave on deadline day. That stuff burnt me last year.

      I still dont fancy JRod though simply because he hasnt proven himyself as a true goal scorer yet. And I also dont fancy any of the £8m or less strikers bar RvW (who I have) or Kone (but I have Mirallas). So

      Coutinho and Lambert --> Kagawa ans Sturridge

      Yes or No?

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Lamb to Berbs.. simple

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        1. Sánchez
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          I'm not sure. It is the simple one, but he is too hot and cold. Kagawa is too, but he opens up a root into the Man Utd attack.

          Coutinho is still a worry for me. Loads of players have a good start after January transfer, then don't quite follow up the season after.

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    18. chambers
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      So I've been trying to analyse the new bonus point system but without see who received the 3, 2 and 1 bonus points, not much analysis can be made without making some broad (potentially wrong) assumptions. FPL have given us the new bonus point system but if there's a way to get the actual bonus points that would of been received would be much more valuable.
      The list given shows that around 50% of the top new point system consists of defenders, but this information is very limiting, for example player such as Defender may receive a consistant an above average amount of the new bonus points but yet never receive any of the 3,2,1 bonus pts, While a player with a lower average receive more bonus points with a fluctuating bonus point form.
      Is there any chance FPL will give out the 3,2,1 bonus points under the new system?

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    19. Twelve years a slave
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Anyone else making a team with three chelsea plus Rooney ?
      Anticipating a DGW1 with 4 chelsea players

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      1. ~ Mata Magic ~
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Has the double been confirmed yet ?

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      2. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        A few have. There's no harm in it. You can even change your mind even if it's confirmed.

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      3. HERECOMETHEBELGIANS!
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Surely they'll only sell Rooney if they land Fabregas... Moyes will need him as backup 🙂

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