World Cup 2014 – Dugout Discussion – Matchday 7, Day 1

The penultimate game of the 2014 World Cup gets underway this evening as hosts Brazil prepare to take on Holland in the third/fourth place play off. Humiliated by Germany in midweek, Phil Scolari’s side have the chance to salvage some pride in the 9pm kick-off, whilst Louis Van Gaal will be equally determined to end his stint at the Dutch helm in style before taking over at Manchester United:

Brazil: Cesar; Maicon, Silva, Luiz, Maxwell; Paulinho, Gustavo; Ramires, Oscar, Willian; Jo

Holland: Cillessen; Vlaar, De Vrij, Martins Indi; Kuyt, Clasie, Wijnaldum, Blind; Sneijder; Van Persie, Robben

Scolari wields the axe on the back of Tuesday’s 7-1 drubbing, making as many as six changes to his starting line-up. In defence, Thiago Silva is free from suspension and takes the place of Dante at centre-half, whilst Maxwell replaces Marcelo at left-back. Further up the pitch, Paulinho, Ramires, Willian and Jo get a chance to impress, with Fernandinho, Bernard, Hulk and Fred all dropped after disappointing displays last time around. With Neymar sidelined through injury, David Luiz and Oscar carry the main attacking threat for the hosts – both have found the net twice so far, with the latter also delivering a pair of assists.

Somewhat surprisingly, Van Gaal resists the temptation to freshen up his side after an energy-sapping 120 minutes against Argentina on Wednesday night produced a single shot on target. The Dutch boss make just two alterations, as Jordy Clasie and Jonathan de Guzman come in for Wesley Sniejder and the injured Nigel de Jong in central midfield, whilst Arjen Robben and Robin Van Persie lead the line in a 3-4-1-2 formation once again. Neither player has scored since Matchday 2 but the duo will be looking to finish the tournament on a high against the hosts’ porous backline – bearing in mind the United man failed to register a single attempt against the South Americans, his Fantasy owners are desperate for an improvement.

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shazzaaam
9 years, 9 months ago
Who would you leave on the bench out of these?

Howedes, Garay, Boateng, Kroos, Lahm, Mascherano, Klose, Muller?
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1. Mílanista
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Mascherano or Garay
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  1. shazzaaam
    9 years, 9 months ago
    predict a german CS?
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2. Jebus Saves
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Klose - Kroos - Howedes
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  1. shazzaaam
    9 years, 9 months ago
    in that order?
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    1. Jebus Saves
      9 years, 9 months ago
      ya
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Mílanista
9 years, 9 months ago
http://www1.thesportbible.com/images/content/53c162d13e530.jpg
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1. Snikii
  9 years, 9 months ago
  shocking.
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Fifa las vegas
9 years, 9 months ago
RMT (3-5-2 version 😉 )

DDG
Shaw, Wilson, Debuchy
Sterling, Eriksen, Mata, Knockaert
Rvp, Gomis

Still think I'm spending too much in defence 😕 (But how can I change it without making it crap?) Midfield looks alright. Gomis hasn't proven himself, but could be a risk worth taken.

New thoughts? 🙂
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1. Snikii
  9 years, 9 months ago
  shocking
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2. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
  9 years, 9 months ago
  4 utd players
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  1. Fifa las vegas
    9 years, 9 months ago
    So, you can have how ever much in sky
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3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Much better but I'd downgrade Mata and upgrade Gomis - probably to Bony.
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4. GreenWindmill
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Count again 😉
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Fifa las vegas
9 years, 9 months ago
😳
Forgot Gomez
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@ocprodigy
9 years, 9 months ago
I want this Vlaar at United please Van Gaal.
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1. bazrah99
  9 years, 9 months ago
  He was amazing the whole World Cup!
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  1. @ocprodigy
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Consistency like that isn't to be underrated, and I reckon he could really do a job at United if he came. Cheaper, much more realistic target than Hummels who has no reason to move.
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    1. Gnu
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Cheaper & realistic yes but not in the same league by a long way. In saying that Hummels wouldn't be the first excellant cb to fail in premiership, at least you know what your getting with Vlaar.
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2. LewanGOALski
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Great WC for him. I has been amazed by him. And he's already proven in the PL. Should leave Villa for sure.
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3. Gnu
  9 years, 9 months ago
  In fairness, he's been at Villa for 2 seasons now and done well. Don't forget the guy will be 30 soon.
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  1. the axolotl
    9 years, 9 months ago
    He's not looked that great for villa in fairness. Maybe that's a villa thing.
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    1. Gnu
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Hmmm, I'd have said solid defender protecting a bunch of youngsters. Thought he's done well.
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      1. the axolotl
        9 years, 9 months ago
        He's been ok maybe. And lets face it, its hard to look good at the back of a poor side. No chance he'll stay at villa now though
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4. Willis.
  9 years, 9 months ago
  It's easy to look good when you're playing 5 at the back.
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  1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
    9 years, 9 months ago
    or when you aren't playing with Baker next to you
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    1. GREENDREAMS11
      9 years, 9 months ago
      this, Van Gaal is obviously playing him in a system that works.
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LewanGOALski
9 years, 9 months ago
I'll have to leave out 1 of my defenders on the bench, as I don't fancy subbing off a 10-pointer.
Who should it be out of:

Boateng
Howedes
Rojo
Demichelis
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1. Mílanista
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Not a German
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2. mr messi
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Rojo might not play. Check the line ups first.
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  1. LewanGOALski
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Really? Why wouldn't he?
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    1. mr messi
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Apparently he didnt train today with a knock
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3. Jebus Saves
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Rojo
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mr messi
9 years, 9 months ago
Cilleson got 10 points! Enough to keep Neuer on the bench?
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1. LewanGOALski
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Yes, IMO. Though you should not have gone for 2 keepers IMO 😉
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2. Jebus Saves
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Neuer on the bench is a fantasy crime....
  
  😉
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  1. mr messi
    9 years, 9 months ago
    I know but 10 points in the hand...
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    1. Jebus Saves
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Ya, 10 is good. I would be happy with that.
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  2. little_wizard123
    9 years, 9 months ago
    2nd choice keepers are a waste of money imo.
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3. little_wizard123
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Keep, yo.
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4. shazzaaam
  9 years, 9 months ago
  depends on what you playing for? fun-twist. retain 1st position-stick. improve-sleep over it
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little_wizard123
9 years, 9 months ago
If you were currently top 10, would you:

a) Change from van Persie as captain?
b) Change 7 points to Mascherano?

Thinking that as I had quite a few Dutch lads, I need to take some risks to stay there. Would be nothing worse than not risking things and coming just outside.
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1. Declan
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Nope
  Yep
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2. shazzaaam
  9 years, 9 months ago
  A. for a defender yes.
  B.deffo
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  1. little_wizard123
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Hummels would be my captain of choice. 50/50 for me though.
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3. Jebus Saves
  9 years, 9 months ago
  yes
  yes
  
  What position are you in?
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  1. little_wizard123
    9 years, 9 months ago
    8th.
    
    Hmmm, thanks guys.
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    1. Jebus Saves
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Best of luck. In 5th currently..
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      1. little_wizard123
        9 years, 9 months ago
        😆 you too. What do you have left, and who are you captaining?
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        Jebus Saves
        9 years, 9 months ago
        I have Muller, Hummels, Demi in the team at it stands.
        
        Got 5 on the bench so will decide tomorrow who to sub in.
        
        Looking 71 with 6 to play.
        
        Captain is currently De Vrij....may gamble....
        
        You?
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mr messi
9 years, 9 months ago
So who is everyone (c)ing tomorrow?
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1. Declan
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Noone
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2. The Shoonchy
  9 years, 9 months ago
  I'm done with Captaincy. Blind for me today and keeping.
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applebonkers
9 years, 9 months ago
would anyone pick a defender in their top 20 players in the world? (not expecting anyone to actually have an exact top 20 in their mind)
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1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Lahm might be the only one.
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2. Gubbins94.
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Lahm, maybe Ramos. Pretty bad time for centre backs in general. I'd have two goalkeepers in there anyway.
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  1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Ramos? 😯
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    1. Gubbins94.
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Been pretty great for a few years now.
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      1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
        9 years, 9 months ago
        Also manages to make himself look an absolute liability time & time again too. Not to mention being sent off 19 times in his career. 😆
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  2. applebonkers
    9 years, 9 months ago
    courtois and neuer i'm guessing
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    1. Gubbins94.
      9 years, 9 months ago
      yep
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  3. Gnu
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Rams is a poor mans Luiz, talented but a legend in his own mind unfortunately.
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3. Smarty Pants
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Certainly, Ron Vlaar.
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4. the axolotl
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Thiago silva. Not a great WC mind
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  1. The Shoonchy
    9 years, 9 months ago
    He didn't have a bad WC, he was superb in all games except today. And today was after the drubbing.
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    1. the axolotl
      9 years, 9 months ago
      Yeah i'm being a little harsh maybe. He was pretty good. And boy did they miss him in THAT game.
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5. Gnu
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Lahm, Hummels, Kompany all in with a shout.
  Hummels has looked great for about 3/4 years.
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6. Gubbins94.
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Hummels as well will be some day, if he continues to stay error free like he has been since coming back from injury.
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7. little_wizard123
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Hard enough comparing midfielders, so to come up with a definitive top 20 would be so difficult. But if you're using the logic of world class meaning getting into a World XI or squad of 23, I'd obviously have many in there. CBs in the world seem to have followed the same path as England's recently, though.
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8. Dino
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Thiago
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9. the axolotl
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Trouble with defenders, and to a greater extent, keepers, is that people remember their mistakes, not their successes. Like a striker can miss 3 chances then score and be hero. Defender can defend all day then make 1 mistake and hes rubbish
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10. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Zabaleta
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11. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
  9 years, 9 months ago
  lahm...
  
  one for the future - raphael varane
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  1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
    9 years, 9 months ago
    So much this. Spot on doooood.
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mike_89
9 years, 9 months ago
I will keep Vlaar and De Vrij and than I have to go for a 3 defenders out of this 4: Boateng, Hummels, Garay, Demi. No idea who to leave out. I have a feeling that Germans might not score, but not to sure about this 🙂

I should also change Clasie as Mascherano, Lahm and Kroos are all expected to do more than 7 right?

Also any suggestion who to put for C? I will have 3 defenders, Masch, Lahm, Kroos and Messi to play and would also need to catch some points.

Tnx for your help guys
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1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Tough to say....if you think Argentina will keep a clean sheet then play Garay, Demi and maybe Boateng and maybe captain Demi. I'd definitely switch Clasie out though
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Keepergirl
9 years, 9 months ago
I'm worried Kroos might do an Oscar
Be excellent, and unrewarded with McD points
Should I stick with Cladie or twist to Kroos
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1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Tweeeeist
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  1. Keepergirl
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Anyone know how Kroos has scored, aside from Brazil game?
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Keepergirl
9 years, 9 months ago
Clasie
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Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
9 years, 9 months ago
de vrij and wijnaldum scoring well has really put me in a bind
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Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
9 years, 9 months ago
BeNeFoot ‏@BeNeFoot 11m
Van Persie on his celebration:'This was meant for the people who talk too much, for example Pierre van Hooydonck, he should play golf'. |NOS

what's this about?
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1. Gubbins94.
  9 years, 9 months ago
  history from their time at feyenoord
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  1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
    9 years, 9 months ago
    why bring it up now then?
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    1. Gubbins94.
      9 years, 9 months ago
      PVH is a pundit, presumably criticized RVP
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2. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
  9 years, 9 months ago
  van Hooijdonk & van Persie have previous.
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3. applebonkers
  9 years, 9 months ago
  van hooijdonk's response:
  "oooh look at me i scored a penalty in 4 knock-out games. pathetic!"
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4. CRUSHER
  9 years, 9 months ago
  That was hilarious.
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5. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
  9 years, 9 months ago
  He scored a penalty. Needs to grow up a bit.
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GREENDREAMS11
9 years, 9 months ago
zapata and Yepes were a class act
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EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
9 years, 9 months ago
Khedira to do the business tomorrow 😎
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1. applebonkers
  9 years, 9 months ago
  you got the wrong site
  fantasyconstipationscout.co.uk
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the axolotl
9 years, 9 months ago
This is pretty cool. Basically the brazil germany goals with brazilian players digitally erased... http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/07/11/germanys-vs-brazil-with-the-brazilian-players-removed/
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1. the axolotl
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Ignore. Fifa have blocked this which is really weird
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2. Gnu
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Blocked, pity.
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3. the axolotl
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Ooh its back maybe for only a short time
  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6nPL7qi4Xg
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  1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
    9 years, 9 months ago
    i almost like they werent even there...
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Gnu
9 years, 9 months ago
So, you can log on to FPL now but it goes back to last years game.
What's the clue to timescale now?
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1. Hamstergod
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Last wc it started the day after the final, general expectations are anytime from Monday on
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2. Gnu
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Yeah I heard but it has been going to the 'under maintenance' screen for a week or so, just a tad surprised it's back to normal!
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  1. Hamstergod
    9 years, 9 months ago
    yeah, another general thought is, that as UFPL is pay to play, they need to be up and running soon.
    
    Anyway even previous years they opened by the 20th, it seems that opening during a wc isn't an option so my thoughts are mon-wed
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3. the axolotl
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Are u waiting to chose your colours or what 🙂 ?
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  1. Gnu
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Same as last year, blue shirts, red faces.
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    1. the axolotl
      9 years, 9 months ago
      And socks? Could make all the difference
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      1. Gnu
        9 years, 9 months ago
        Rangers & Scotland fan, shorts and socks are a bonus.
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      2. Gnu
        9 years, 9 months ago
        Have you been keeping up with GKeegan?
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        the axolotl
        9 years, 9 months ago
        Yup. I love the whole back story thing. Its a very very strange entertaining twitter account
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        Gnu
        9 years, 9 months ago
        Ast Manager is a robot, who's fallen into a deep depression and is now bed ridden, wtf. Hilarious.
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4. Parm
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Got an email today saying this:
  
  "Hi,
  
  A specific date for the start of next seasons game has yet to be confirmed, but it is likely to be early next week. We will announce on the website when players are able to pick their new teams for the coming season. Hope this helps.
  
  Yours,
  Fantasy Football Support"
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chrisjdgrady
9 years, 9 months ago
Shoot I might have garay and biglia on the bench... Would you drop Rvp 10 for either of them? Probably not right...
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1. Hamstergod
  9 years, 9 months ago
  10 is too much to drop unfortunately, is he your lowest scorer?
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  1. chrisjdgrady
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Dropped oscar for masch already. Could drop messi or muller... I have rojo at least, should I put garay over him?
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  9 years, 9 months ago
  yes
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Keepergirl
9 years, 9 months ago
Kroos scores (pre-semifinal)
14
5
5
6
8
So given it's going to likely be a tight defensive game, how likely is he to score more than Clasie's 7 points?
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1. Habozekry
  9 years, 9 months ago
  That's what I'm thinking to do .. Keeping him out and get mascherano and lahm in
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  1. Keepergirl
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Yeah I'll go 5/4/1 with Wijnaldum/Lahm/Masch/Clasie
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    1. Habozekry
      9 years, 9 months ago
      I have de vrij 13and Vlaar 11 (c) silva 6 robben 3 with Lahm Kroos mascherano garay Hummels muller and boateng left .... Hesitating between 5 4 1 and 4 5 1
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fedolefan
9 years, 9 months ago
Any one care to share how much did Wijnaldum, Blind and Cillessen scored?
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1. Telpuialion
  9 years, 9 months ago
  11,14,10
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2. Keepergirl
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Wijnaldum 11
  Blind 14
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  1. fedolefan
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Thanks guys.
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VougieDipond
9 years, 9 months ago
Calvin harris is ripping it up at T wow
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Keepergirl
9 years, 9 months ago
I'll have DeVrij, Blind, Hummels, Boateng, Garay at the back
A chance of german CS, but unlikely argentina CS
So german defenders > Argentinian defenders I think
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1. Telpuialion
  9 years, 9 months ago
  I am so torn between Cillessen and Neuer right now. But mine will probably be:
  
  Cillessen/Neuer
  Martins Indi, Blind, De Vrij, Rojo, Boateng.
  
  I will have to keep Hummels and Howedes on the bench and that just doesn't feel right.
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  1. Keepergirl
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Doubt we'll get a straight answer to the Hummels fitness question before the game
    Will need to wait until lineups announced
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    1. Keepergirl
      9 years, 9 months ago
      And why Rojo vs Howedes?
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      1. Telpuialion
        9 years, 9 months ago
        I want to cover both defences. But I might go Howedes with Rojo on the bench - especially if the rumors about him not starting are true. If Hummels starts though, I will probably go Hummels over Rojo.
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Piggs Boson
9 years, 9 months ago
So drunk. Just come back from a BBQ. H

Had 4 dutch defenders, including RVP and Blind in the Sun game for my work money league. Think that's secured me the top prize as I'm already on top. F**k yeah!!

Sorry not usually boastful , but there were about 60 teams 😀
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1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
  9 years, 9 months ago
  congrats GB! 🙂
  
  now go to bed and get some rest 😉
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2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
  9 years, 9 months ago
  go home GB, you're drunk
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  1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
    9 years, 9 months ago
    "Just came back from a BBQ"
    
    i think he has already gone home! 😛 😉
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3. Piggs Boson
  9 years, 9 months ago
  Okay, I'll got to sleep now. Got to meet someone early anyway...
  
  http://gifs.gifbin.com/022012/reverse-1329760693_waving_bears.gif
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Lloyd Xmas
9 years, 9 months ago
Julie or Karen?For tomorrow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adUPdnzCAk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ZKihNCWWE

Julie all day for me FWIW!
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the axolotl
9 years, 9 months ago
Do people follow any particular fantasy football twitter feeds? Are they good/funny?
I think applebonkers is the only 1 i follow. He's decent in fairness
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1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
  9 years, 9 months ago
  not really...tbh following the threads on this site are pretty hilarious on matchdays 😀
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the axolotl
9 years, 9 months ago
David luiz. Discuss....
Good/bad/indifferent????
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1. LewanGOALski
  9 years, 9 months ago
  surely not worth 50mln...
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2. theloveburglar
  9 years, 9 months ago
  excellent footballer.. not someone you want in the last line of defence.. defensive midfield all day long..
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  1. LewanGOALski
    9 years, 9 months ago
    This. If I was a manager, I'd definitely play him as a DM, not a CB.
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3. Jebus Saves
  9 years, 9 months ago
  He was terrible for the last 2 games.
  
  Mourinho must be delighted to have gotten rid of him.
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4. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
  9 years, 9 months ago
  David Luiz is not a centre-back.
  
  He does not have the positional sense required to play in a role where discipline is so paramount. He is more braun than brain. He often goes on marauding runs upfield, only to get caught out when they lose possession.
  
  The qualities he does possess are a great passing ability, an eye for goal from long range and strength in the tackle. If he played in central midfield, he would fair much better. He would not get caught out nearly as much positionally, would be able to break up play well with his strength, take shots on goal which we know can be lethal, and play the ball to the attackers easily. If he plays along side other disciplined players he can flourish.
  
  Another aspect about Luiz is his passion for the game. He is a funny guy, and so naturally will be well-liked by his teammates, but his heart on sleeve approach means he can also be serious and galvanise players on the pitch. This is an underrated part of football, but team spirit and motivation is huge. Luiz can help these things, yet his emotional transparency often leads to him being ridiculed and being a perfect scapegoat.
  
  David Luiz is a good player, but he is misunderstood. He is by no means worth 50 million, but with proper management he can be a very solid player.
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  1. theloveburglar
    9 years, 9 months ago
    pretty much what i said only in a much longer statement.. once again mate on the ball
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  2. Jebus Saves
    9 years, 9 months ago
    He could use some more Braun alright.
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  3. the axolotl
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Nice post. I agree more or less..
    The sight of him waddling back in background from midfield while his team were being destroyed (3rd or 4 the german goal) will stay with me. Still think hes a good player mind.
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goriuanx
9 years, 9 months ago
Fantastic advert from BT.

https://t.co/bzoRbdKfEZ

😀 😀 😀
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1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
  9 years, 9 months ago
  i dont like it 😕
  
  😉
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  1. goriuanx
    9 years, 9 months ago
    Best 18 minutes of the season! 😉
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goriuanx
9 years, 9 months ago
And it looks like Bony is close to a Liverpool move. 19million. I think that is very reasonable to be honest.
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1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
  9 years, 9 months ago
  very nice signing if that goes through 🙂
  
  yes cant complain about the price tag at all
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  1. goriuanx
    9 years, 9 months ago
    His goal record against the big teams is what impresses me. Off the top of my head he scored 3 vs Liverpool, 1 against Arsenal, 2 against City and 2 against United. Scored against Spurs and Everton too
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2. theloveburglar
  9 years, 9 months ago
  big man is a pure goalscorer and 20 mil in todays market isnt exactly an extortionate fee.. could prove to be an excellent piece of business tbh
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