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The Best Bang For Your Buck Goalkeepers

Now that the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) prices have been released we have enough information to begin planning our teams in earnest and trying to figure out how to get the most value for our £100m. In this article, I will discuss in detail the value available amongst goalkeepers during the forthcoming Premier League season.

Pricing

In our first look through goalkeeper prices, we can spot a few special situations that may present valuable opportunities:

  • Boaz Myhill is priced at just £4.5m and is expected to start for West Brom in their initial 8 or so games.
  • Southampton keepers are priced at £5.0m (likely due to Fraser Forster’s injury situation) while their overall defensive quality is more similar to those with £5.5m keepers.
  • Four teams have backup keepers costing only £4.0m.

Points Potential

Of course, price is only half of what determines value. The other half is the points that we can expect to receive from each choice of goalkeepers.

We can estimate points for a goalkeeper to reasonable accuracy* if we know the number of clean sheets and the number of saves he will accumulate. Fantasy Football Scout members can get estimates of clean sheets from the information in the Season Ticker. For saves, we could use last year’s number; however, the season-to-season correlation of save percentage for a goalkeeper is only about 30%. Hence, the best choice is to estimate saves to be 70% (the league average) plus one third of that keeper’s difference from average last season.

Using this approach, we can estimate the points to be scored by every goalkeeper in every match and by every potential rotation pair. Focusing on the matches in the first half of the season, here are the best strategies available at each price point:

  • At £10.0m, Chelsea’s Thibaut Courtois and Leicester’s Kasper Schmeichel give the best value of 0.415 points per pound.
  • At £9.5m, Courtois and a £4m keeper give the best value of 0.436 points per pound. If we want a second keeper that actually starts, the best value for this price outlay comes from Southampton’s Marteen Stekelenburg and Aston Villa’s Brad Guzan at 0.424 points per pound.
  • At £9.0m, Stekelenburg and a £4m keeper give the best value of 0.446 points per pound. If we want two starters, then the best option is Schmeichel and Newcastle’s Tim Krul at 0.411 points per pound — a substantial drop.
  • At £8.5m, Krul and his back up Rob Elliot give the best value of 0.432 points per pound.

We can see that the best option at two price points involves using a £4m keeper as backup. However, it is important to note that, with a non-starting keeper as backup, we will lose about 3-4 FPL points (on average) if our primary keeper does not start. That could occur due to an injury, losing his place to his backup, or simply being rested due to fixture congestion. If we expect this to happen once in the first half of the season, then using two starting keepers gives more value for £9.5m.

At £9.0m, on the other hand, the difference between Stekelenburg and a £4m keeper and the next best option would require Stekelenburg to miss two games to eliminate the advantage. However, if Stekelenburg misses a single game, then the points per pound of that approach, while still noticeably better than other £9.0m strategies, becomes comparable to the value of Krul and Elliot at £8.5m.

Overall, if you feel confident that Stekelenburg or Courtois will start all of the first 19 matches, then pairing them with a £4m pound keeper gives the best value. But If you worry that both may not start all 19 matches, then the best value comes from Krul and Elliot at £8.5m or Stekelenburg and Guzan at £9.5m.

Analysis

First, we can see that all of the £5m keepers other than Stekelenburg offer poor value. It is worth noting that five of the nine keepers who received £5m price tags, based on their results from last season, achieved those results either by having an unsustainably high save percentage or somehow managed nearly as many clean sheets as Chelsea. (Swansea’s Lucasz Fabianski and Costel Pantilimon, in particular, fit this description.) Neither of those feats is likely to be repeated this season.

Second, in each case where a rotation partner is used, there is some advantage to using Myhill instead of another £4.5m keeper. However, the advantage appears to be very small and comes at the cost of having to use a transfer on a keeper around Gameweek 8, so I left those strategies out of the list above.

Finally, cheap keepers in general offer more value than might be expected as the relationship between expected goals conceded and expected goalkeeper Fantasy points is very flat (see graph). The reason for this is that if the clean sheet odds are high then the goalkeeper will gain clean sheet points. If the clean sheet odds are low then the goalkeeper is also expected to make lots of saves, which can help offset the loss of clean sheet points. In other words, there are really no “bad fixtures” for goalkeepers in terms of accruing Fantasy points. It is also worth noting that in 2015/16 FPL has tweaked its Bonus Point System, which is used to allocate bonus points, to give greater weighting to saves. This could mean that goalkeepers could win even more points  against more attacking sides.

•A simple linear model based on save percentage and clean sheets has an R^2 of 0.8, meaning that the predicted scores have a correlation of 90% with the actual points scored.

Kompany Man Lives in Seattle. Works on computers and mathematics. Supports Man City. Follow them on Twitter

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  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Certainly makes a strong case for rotating two good 4.5m goalkeepers. Thanks for submitting.

    1. Shifty
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      this was the first thing that came to mind as well.

    2. Will - Fantasy Football Hub
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I thought the article was saying the opposite...

      "At £9.0m, Stekelenburg and a £4m keeper give the best value of 0.446 points per pound. If we want two starters, then the best option is Schmeichel and Newcastle’s Tim Krul at 0.411 points per pound — a substantial drop."

      Am I missing something?

      1. Kolarov Fpl Legend
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yea,i m going with Ruddy-Butland....

  2. jackx13
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Schmeichel and Guzan for £9M look very good to me.

  3. JAC THE CAT
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sky have...

    Schwarzer priced more than Hamer

    Darlow priced more than Elliot

    I think they have called it right and expect both to be second choice keeper at Leicester and Newcastle next season.

  4. eboue90
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    is anyone considering Vorm after the Lloris injury? If Lloris isnt fit he could be a great budget choice?

    1. Kolarov Fpl Legend
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good thinking but don't know when Lloris are gonna recover.You have enough time to see what is going to happen

  5. SomewhatPleasing
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Great stuff, much food for thought. Thanks

  6. dribbler
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    it's a good article containing some useful insights...thanks for posting

    it's useful to know that Krul is the best £4.5m keeper and Stek is best £5.0m etc...but I'm sure you already realise you don't need to calculate value to work that out...you just look at a points per game estimate for each player or use the RMT to calculate estimated total points over the period you're considering

    every year some wide-eyed innocent "discovers" the concept of value, gets his calculator out and starts posting his thoughts...(this has happened many times before)

    and every year I explain that the concept of value doesn't work in FPL...or at least it doesn't work the way you're trying to work it

    this is because you are trying to compare apples with oranges...think of £8.5m GK combinations as apples, £9.0m combos as oranges (and more expensive combos as lemons)...your calculations don't make any sense because you have conveniently ignored the fact that the player who picks Krul has an extra £1.0m elsewhere compared with the player who picks Courtois

    where is your analysis of the value of the £1.0m?...unless you include this somehow your whole analysis is flawed

    it's the points you get from your whole £100m that matter...if you look at my post in response to Triggerlips' article you'll see my suggestion how to go about putting together a good team

    many years ago I had this conversation with one of the scouts, Mark Worth...and he tried to write a computer program which effectively used my system to calculate the best 15 players...that was long before the RMT appeared but today's equivalent would be to try to write a program to get the best 15 players from the RMT automatically

    I'll say it clearly...no other mathematical method of choosing your players makes sense

    1. Will - Fantasy Football Hub
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I am a big believer in stats based approach. I like your post and your reasoning in creating a team based on a mathematical model/ program and I also had some discussions about developing something similar a few years ago.

      That said I think such models should be used with caution especially at the start of a season when its almost impossible to account for the various unknowns.

      Out of interest did you use this approach last season and if so how did it go?

      I used RMT a fair bit last season (with success) but oddly not in picking players that much, more with picking the correct teams and fixture analyses and planning when players should be shipped.

      1. dribbler
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        "I like...your reasoning in creating a team based on a mathematical model/ program"

        no I'm not actually saying you should do this...I'm just saying that if you decide to use maths to help you, you should be using my method and not the method that Kompany Man is using...I agree with you that "such models should be used with caution"

        if you knew in advance and for certain that all the estimates in the RMT were definitely going to be accurate then yes you'd use my method...and we'd all have the same team all season...thankfully we don't have that degree of certainty

        3 years ago I bought the membership at the start of the season and did the "zero-based" thing but I still wiggled my team according to whatever I reckoned and I can't remember how I started...2 years ago I didn't get the membership until Christmas and I started badly...last year I "winged it" and was in the top 2,000 after 8 weeks

        http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/846/history/

        and when I've had the RMT I've pretty much played the same way as you did last season

    2. OShaughnessy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Apples to Oranges?

      The man is comparing Points per Pound is every case though?
      (PPM as we like to call it)

      If a 7mil player delivers 20PPM that's 140pts
      If a 10mil player scores 20PPM that's 200pts.

      Yes, the more expensive player garnered us more total points but, our relative returns were identical.

      PS. Reply Fail Repost

      1. dribbler
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        "If a 7mil player delivers 20PPM that's 140pts"..."If a 10mil player scores 20PPM that's 200pts"

        so which of these 2 players do you think we should choose?

        1. dribbler
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I'll answer in advance...you can't tell me

          and that's because you can't tell me the "points value" to an FPL player of the (£7.0m player + £3.0m cash) because you can't tell me the "points value" to an FPL player of £3.0m cash

          so you can only choose between the 2 players as part of 2 different FPL teams both costing £100m...and you can do this because there is no cash in either team

          and you do this by estimating the points the 2 different teams will get...so it's a waste of time to calculate "points value" the way Kompany Man did

          unless you can tell me whether to get Krul or Courtois?

        2. OShaughnessy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I don't care which we choose.

          It is truly inconsequential because, they are an identical value.

          The £3million difference in cost does not factor here.

          That excess money has the potential to earn us more than 20PPM or less than 20PMM. It just depends on where it winds up.

          So we can see it has no bearing on the relative worth of our original investment.

          A point per pound is a point per pound.

          Apples are apples.

          1. dribbler
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            "That excess money has the potential to earn us more than 20PPM or less than 20PMM. It just depends on where it winds up"...EXACTLY...and that's why it wasn't worth calculating the "value" of these 2 players in the first place

            "the relative worth of our original investment"...it's FPL points that matter not "relative worth"

            anyway I wasn't expecting everybody to understand and I can't explain it any more clearly...assuming you read my other post in the Triggerlips article that's me finished here

            1. dribbler
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              sorry a parting shot...you said

              "I don't care which we choose...It is truly inconsequential"

              of course it's not inconsequential...you said yourself that the £3.0m cash might be worth either more or less ppg than the players...if the cash is worth more ppg then you get the £7.0m player and vice versa if the cash is worth less

              1. OShaughnessy
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                Dribbler you said that we were not comparing *apples to apples* &:
                > where is your analysis of the value of the £1.0m?...unless you include this somehow your whole analysis is flawed

                And that is simply not the case...
                OP was comparing PPM to PPM & that is apples to apples.

                There is nothing flawed about this making comparisons between players using their PPMM. (Points per Min per Mil)

                After all, the whole goal of the game is to choose those players who generate the most PPM.

            2. OShaughnessy
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              > anyway I wasn't expecting everybody to understand and I can't explain it any more clearly

              Drop the patronizing tone.
              It's truly unbecoming of a respected contributor & FPL talent such as yourself.

              1. dribbler
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                "Drop the patronizing tone"...I apologise...I got frustrated trying to explain

    3. Kompany Man
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      @Dribbler: The argument you make is a good one, and it is precisely the reason that I presented the best options at each price point rather than just giving the highest points per pound option overall. You can confidently compare options that add up to the same price -- e.g., £5.5+4.5m versus £5.0+5.0m -- but whether you should spend £8.5m or £9.5m overall on keepers depends on what you can get elsewhere for that extra £1m, as you said. (In an earlier draft of the article, I had a paragraph explaining this, but I removed it. Perhaps that was a mistake.)

      On your point of using the RMT for these calculations, that might also be fine. I don't know how RMT does its projections for keepers, so I did my own. As I explained above, I think the method used here is the best that you can do for estimating save percentages for the upcoming year. These tend to be highly mean reverting, but they do have some (30%) correlation season to season, so it does make sense to give a small bonus to those keepers with high save percentages last year, which is what I have done.

      Finally, going back to your original point about comparing price per pound across different prices, I do think that these comparisons can provide some insight. Like you suggested, I use computer program to find the best lineup, and my experience has been that the further a GK combo is from the optimal price per pound, the less likely it is that you can make up the difference elsewhere. So when you're doing this by hand, I think it makes sense to focus (at least first) on the options at £8.m and £9.5m.

      @The Casual: I used this approach last year and it worked out well for me (I finished 185th). One year isn't a large sample size, of course, so there's no guarantee it will work great this year.

      1. Will - Fantasy Football Hub
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I really like the article and I think this type of analyses is very useful so thank you.

        I expect there might still be some keeper changes - lloris injury, ddg and henesay are the ones to watch out for - but if all stays the same which combo are you going for?

        1. Kompany Man
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Thanks!

          I have Krul and Elliot penciled. The change to BPS, I think, only makes the case for cheap keepers stronger. And there are a lot of quality expensive players, so I'm sure I can make use of the extra £1m.

          1. dribbler
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            @KompanyMan

            thanks for the reply...and as I said before I did find your article interesting and useful

            but just to sum up my whole long moan...I'm simply saying that (a) if you are trying to compare 2 players who are the same price you just estimate their points-per-game and (b) if you are trying to compare 2 players who are different prices...well you can't and I tried to explain why

            so trying to use "value" the way that you're doing it is a waste of time

            but you can calculate points per £0.5m, start with a dirt-cheap squad and start adding the players who add the highest points per £0.5m and removing the players with the lowest points per £0.5m...and this will be an inexact way of trying to find the mathematically perfect team (according to the RMT)

            so effectively this is what you were trying to do all along but, in my opinion, you're going about it in a way that doesn't make sense...you can build up a team this way but you can't compare 2 players (or groups of players) at different prices the way your article suggests

            the RMT is just an estimate of points-per-game by Mark and Jonty, adjusted for percentage playing time and adjusted for fixture difficulty and one or two other minor (and probably pointless) wiggles...but it has two very good selling points for me...firstly it automatically adjusts your substitutes and captains so you can see the real effect of making different transfers...secondly if you use it it's hard to forget about any player...it's especially useful in the lead-up to double gameweeks...of course you need to look carefully at the estimates...garbage in-garbage out sort of thing, but Mark and Jonty are both very good FPL players

            1. dribbler
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              "so trying to use "value" the way that you're doing it is a waste of time"...that's a stronger statement than I meant to say...let me put it a different way:

              "so trying to use "value" the way that you're doing it is mathematically unsound"

              that's what I'm really trying to say

              1. Kompany Man
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                As I said above, I am well aware of this issue and that is why I gave the optimal pair at each price point individually.

                In my first draft, I just concluded with a paragraph stating that which price point is best depends on what you can get for the extra money. However, after some thought, I felt that readers would want more opinion on which of the price points was best, which by definition requires comparison across price points. In particular, I suggested that (if the reader does not want to use a non-starting keeper), the best bets are at £9.5m and £8.5m.

                Let me try to justify that a bit more here. If you multiply the points per pound that I gave by their prices, you can see that the best £9m keeper pair is expected to score 0.5 points more over the first 19 games (the length of time I used above) than the best £8.5m pair. Similarly, the best £10m keeper pair is expected to score 2.1 more points than the £9.5m pair over the first half of the season. While it is not a mathematical certainty, in my judgement, it seems likely that an extra £0.5m to spend on forwards, midfielders, or defenders can usually add more than 2 points extra over 19 games.

                Of course, if you feel that your outfield players cannot be improved by 2 points with an extra £0.5m to spend, then you should certainly ignore that suggestion. Nonetheless, for whichever amount you decide you want to spend on keepers, I think the bullets above will give you solid advice on how best to spend it at that price point.

  7. Philmatic
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I've only played a full season once before last season, but I now feel weary of supposedly nailed on clean sheets. Sunderland had a supurb defence record at Christmas last year, and Hull hadn't scored in 7 games. I captained Pantillimon, The result? 3-1 Hull.

    This year I'm going for a Schmeichel-Butland rotation. If theres a clean sheet, hooray. I'm mainly looking for save points rather than banking for clean sheets now though given their unpredictable nature

  8. Joeywho?
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Random question...what app do you guys use for fantasy?

    1. Ziegler1988
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Differential FPL

  9. OShaughnessy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Apples to Oranges?

    The man is comparing Points per Pound is every case though?
    (PPM as we like to call it)

    If a 7mil player delivers 20PPM that's 140pts
    If a 10mil player scores 20PPM that's 200pts.

    Yes, the more expensive player garnered us more total points but, our relative returns were identical.

    1. OShaughnessy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Reply fail to @Dribbler

  10. shorty13
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hey guys, what do you think

    Courtois // Ruddy
    Clyne // Fonte // Francis // Morgan // Cameron
    Ozil // Fabregas // Depay // Chadli // Johnson (Norwich)
    Aguero // Lukaku // Deeney

    0,5 in the bank

  11. OShaughnessy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    To begin, I can see how much effort's gone into this & many thanks.
    I like when people account for things like regression & sustainability.

    I would like to mention something about this statement though:

    > the next best option would require Stekelenburg to miss two games to eliminate the advantage. However, if Stekelenburg misses a single game... becomes comparable to the value of Krul and Elliot at £8.5m

    FT work on our keepers too. 🙂
    So, if our one keeper goes down we find a replacement & still get our 19 game, no worries.

    1. Kompany Man
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah, as long as you know about it ahead of time, then the only loss is one FT. The cases I'm worried about are when the player is rested without any notice (e.g., fixture congestion for Courtois) or unexpectedly gets the flu or gets injured early in the game.

      1. OShaughnessy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Full disclosure, I've been a 1 keeper kinda guy for the past 3 seasons now so, I am bias.

        And, each year there's typically one week I run into trouble.
        My No. 1 goes down & I haven't rostered his backup.
        (Wanted two outfielders or understudy was £4.5mil)

        However, like losing anyone on your team you adjust accordingly.
        And, long-term if you lose a keeper in your rotating paid you'll probably want to use a FT to replace them as well.

        In the end, it was a great article & I've bookmarked it so I can reference the numbers in seasons to come.

        1. Kompany Man
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          If it's typically just once per season, then I think the numbers above suggest that strategy is a winner.

          For me personally, I'm looking to use a cheap keeper, and there are good options (like Krul and Schmeichel) where the backup is actually £4.0m, so I'm finding that hard to pass up. I like the idea of having a £4.0m backup while also not having the worry of the starter not playing.

  12. Twelve years a slave
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Article on Matt Ritchie
    Many of you requested

    http://Www.triggerlips.com

  13. Birds of Prey
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    can someone who knows Stoke tell me what Cameron's chances to start are? They have to play one of those 4.5's right? Thx

  14. King Huth
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Please help rate... trying to break the template with not the traditional....

    Pants Hamer

    Ivanovic Kos Darmian 4.0 4.0

    Hazard Mane Hendo Ars8.5 (Ozil atm) anya

    Lukaku Rooney Sakho

    Any idea on how to improve? lukaku is my punt! and i wanna try three big def!

    1. andy85wsm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Liking the template you've gone for! 🙂

      1. King Huth
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        any changes recommend?

        1. rayyanadil
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          remove sakho for berahino or wilson

  15. xbirchy
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on Jack Butland (Stoke)?