Fixtures

Frisking the Fixtures – Gameweek 2 – The Strong

This week’s first foray into the fixture list over the next four-to-six Gameweeks sees us focus on those sides with favourable upcoming schedules. Everton, in particular, are fancied by our season ticker, whilst the likes of Spurs, West Ham and Sunderland will be hoping to take advantage of four home fixtures in the following six.

Everton

(wba, STO, sun, MID, bou, CPL)

The Toffees got off to a fairly encouraging start under Ronald Koeman with a 1-1 draw against Tottenham and, with none of last season’s top eight to face over the next six Gameweeks, look a side worth considering.

Home fixtures against Stoke, Middlesbrough and Crystal Palace all appear capable of offering returns at either end of the pitch.

From an attacking perspective, those three opponents are perhaps unlikely to boast a huge threat, so providing Ashley Williams can settle quickly into the Toffees backline, the Merseysiders may offer solid clean sheet possibilities.

Although West Brom ground out an impressive 1-0 win at Palace, they’re not a side associated with scoring lots of goals, so Koeman’s men may be able to get something from their trip to the Hawthorns. Sunderland and Bournemouth both lost on the opening weekend, and look to have some defensive frailties.

From an attacking perspective then, Ross Barkley could be worth backing after getting on the scoresheet against Spurs, while new signing Yannick Bolasie is worth monitoring as a cheaper midfield option. Short-term at least, Gerard Deulofeu could continue to benefit as a “false nine” if Romelu Lukaku fails to recover from a heel injury.

Should Koeman stick with a three-man backline, Leighton Baines could offer plenty of appeal with added attacking potential as a wing-back, while the aforementioned Williams, and the goal threat of Ramiro Funes Mori, may also be worth considering.

West Ham

(BOU, mci, WAT, wba, SOT, MID)

With only a trip to Man City in Gameweek 3 looking difficult in the short-term, West Ham could provide us with some intriguing Fantasy options.

The Hammers face four home fixtures over the next six Gameweeks, and while it may take some time to settle into their new home at the London Stadium, the first four visitors don’t appear to offer the strongest opposition. Bournemouth, Watford and Southampton all failed to create a big chance in their opening fixtures, so defensive returns in particular appear possible over the coming weeks. The Gameweek 5 trip to West Brom is also a reasonable opportunity.

Injuries to Andre Ayew and Sofiane Feghouli may limit Slaven Bilic’s options, though we’re still backing Dimitri Payet and Andy Carroll to produce the goods. At the back, James Collins could be one to consider if he can keep his place in the starting XI, coming in at just 4.5 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL). Sam Byram’s minutes are also worth monitoring after he came on early for Michail Antonio in Monday’s loss at Chelsea.

West Brom

(EVE, MID, bou, WHM, sto, sun)

The Baggies are another team who don’t face any of last season’s top eight over the coming period. Full of confidence following their opening day victory, they could provide us with some interesting mid-price and budget options.

The three home fixtures do appear slightly tougher than the away matches but, as Saturday once again showed, it’s on the road where the West Brom defence appears to thrive, with six of their 11 clean sheets last season coming on their travels.

Bournemouth, Stoke and Sunderland were all among the bottom nine sides for total goal attempts on the opening weekend, so the likes of Ben Foster, Jonny Evans, Gareth McAuley, and -if you’ve got the funds- Craig Dawson, all appear solid picks.

At the other end of the pitch, Tony Pulis’ men managed a reasonable eight shots inside the box at Selhurst Park, and after scoring the winning goal and looking far fitter than he was last season, Salomon Rondon should be able to stay in the goals over the short to medium term. Matt Phillips is our one to watch out for on the flanks.

Tottenham

(CPL, LIV, sto, SUN, mid, MCI)
While Spurs do have four home matches in the next six, the clashes with Liverpool and Man City will offer difficult match-ups, particularly from a defensive standpoint.

Regardless, away trips to Stoke and Middlesbrough appear reasonable from that standpoint, with the Potters in particular looking short of firepower until they manage to bring in a new striker.

Tottenham’s attack should be able to flourish over the coming weeks, with Palace having struggled to keep clean sheets since the turn of the year, managing just two in their last 20 league matches. Meanwhile, Liverpool’s defensive vulnerabilities were very much in evidence at the Emirates.

Concerns remain surrounding Harry Kane’s ability to score goals in the continued absence of the suspended Mousa Dembele, but Erik Lamela, who took his pre-season form into the opening day clash at Goodison Park, scoring Tottenham’s only goal, could be worth considering. Both Christian Eriksen and Dele Alli should also thrive from that schedule, though the possible impact of Vincent Janssen on Mauricio Pochettino’s first-team plans also needs to be monitored.

In defence, Michel Vorm will be handed the chance in goal due to Hugo Lloris’ hamstring injury, though the Frenchman is expected back mid-September, making Vorm’s acquisition a very short-term move. The attacking threat of Kyle Walker down the right flank and the all-around ability of Toby Alderweireld to pick up points means they should remain good options.

Also Consider

Crystal Palace
A tough trip to Tottenham on Saturday aside, the Eagles do look to have a decent run of fixtures (BOU, mid, STO, sun, eve) over the following five Gameweeks.

Goals remain a concern until Alan Pardew manages to bring a striker through the door at Selhurst Park, but the likes of Andros Townsend should be able to come away with some attacking returns against teams who are expected to find themselves in mid-table this season. No side allowed more big chances than Bournemouth (four) over the opening weekend.

All five of those clubs scored exactly one goal in their opening fixture, and should offer up reasonable opportunities for Palace to accrue a clean sheet or two. Scott Dann’s set-piece threat makes him the standout target, with Pape Souare the cheaper alternative.

Middlesbrough
While ‘Boro face three away trips in the next four (sun, wba, CPL, eve), their budget options should be able to provide decent value, with a positive showing against Stoke on the opening day suggesting they’re capable of making an impact in the top flight.

Sunderland, West Brom and Palace struggled for goals last season, and the opening weekend performances failed to suggest that will change dramatically this time around. The likes of Victor Valdes and George Friend have a chance of delivering some defensive points, then.

The ‘Boro attack did reasonably well against Stoke, and while Aitor Karanka’s side may not be overly prolific this season, the next few matches should allow the likes of Alvaro Negredo and Gaston Ramirez a decent platform to build on their opening day returns.

Chelsea
Trips to Watford, Swansea and Hull, along with a home clash against Burnley, indicate we should be looking to Chelsea’s premium assets over the coming period.

The new-look Blues got off to a promising start under Antonio Conte, and appearing generally solid at the back. Cesar Azpilicueta is our preferred defender here, having earned an assist against the Hammers on Monday night.

With Eden Hazard and Diego Costa showing glimpses of their 2014/15 form, they could shine against some of the Premier League’s lesser lights.

Conte’s men also face a home clash against Liverpool and a trip to Arsenal in the next six, but with the defensive showings from both those sides on Sunday less than impressive, there’s little not to like about the prospects of Hazard and Costa in particular over the coming period.

Sunderland
The Black Cats face four home fixtures (MID, EVE, CPL, WBA) in the next six, and appear capable of banking both defensive and attacking returns in those matches.

David Moyes’ men defended admirably for long periods against Man City, so members of Sunderland’s backline may provide decent value over the next six Gameweeks, aside from the two away trips to Southampton and Tottenham. Patrick van Aanholt looks the likeliest to benefit at both ends of the pitch, having notched six times last term, though Vito Mannone’s save points should also come in handy.

Those four favourable home matches also add to the appeal of Jermain Defoe, who got off the mark at the Etihad, and he’ll surely fancy his chances of remaining among the goals during this kind run of fixtures. We’re also keeping an eye on Adnan Januzaj – he impressed as a sub at the Etihad and took all three corners Sunderland were awarded when he was on the pitch.

1,197 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Viper
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    A. Gray -> Rondon

    B. Feghouli -> Ramirez. Benching McAuley

    C. Save FT

    Any opinions?

    1. Squires FC
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      B

    2. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A

    3. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      C imo

  2. D0GS B0110XS FC
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    hi all. am i good to go for this weekend or any changes?
    heaton
    stones, kone,amat
    hazard, townsend, tadic, mahrez
    aguero (c), ibrahimovic, gray
    bench - evans, friend, holjberg, jakupovic

    1. Squires FC
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Nice good to go

      1. D0GS B0110XS FC
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        thanks. was trying to get payet in but would have to drop mahrez

    2. Zlatantheone777
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Gray out Defoe
      Tadic out mane

    3. gonzalocampos
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Put Evans on the team instead of Kone, then you look good.

  3. Jimmers
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    SSN
    Mane - muscle injury not a dislocation. A doubt for this weekend but probably ok after this

    1. Oooof
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Makes sense - nobody drives a car after a dislocation.

    2. Numb
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      No need to risk him against Burnley with the squad options they've got

    3. La Roja
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Coolio

    4. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Like this

      LFC fan but a few ML rivals own him 🙂

  4. Le _ Professeur
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Bottomed as usual 😀

    Is it possible that Bolasie starts vs WBA straight away ? .. I have him in my team but not sure whether to start him

    1. pundit of punts
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Sub appearance.

      1. n-doggg
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        This

    2. Squires FC
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Very possible but I doubt it

    3. Kolarov Fpl Legend
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      i dont think so...maybe 15 min...

  5. Squires FC
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Started with lloris, 49 pts.

    Stekelenburg pickford
    Shaw stones friend morgan amat
    Hazard firmino iwobi alli leko
    Aguero costa gray

    Used my ft & need to shift iwobi to avoid a drop, don't really wanna take a hit.
    Pickford iwobi & leko need to go. Any advice?
    Cheers

    1. Oooof
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Are you thinking about playing a WC now?

      Seems premature as we don't know who all the bandwagons are yet.

      1. Squires FC
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Not really no I'm happy ish with my team just don't like having a few dead players I'm my team & really don't like taking hits! Only did one -4 last season. I can get rid of them over the next few weeks & like you say if a strong template forms then il wc and jump on

      2. Oooof
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Think I'd play 4-3-3 if I were you: Stek; Shaw, Stones, Friend, Amat; Haz, Firmino, Alli; Aguero (c), Costa, Gray

        1. Squires FC
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah will do, thanks cheeses. How was your gw1?

          1. Oooof
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 8 months ago

            71 points.

            My mid price midfielders all did well thankfully.

            Made a mistake bringing in Vardy for Haz though.

  6. StalkingDwarf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Patiently awaiting for a Ben Dinnery Mane update

    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Just Google it. He does.

  7. RADOAFC
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Foster
    Amat shaw stones
    Hazard Tadic Lamela Townsend
    Aguero Vardy Gray

    Jaku, Delefeou, Friend, VVD

    Any changes needed? Start Delfeou or Friend? Thinking changing Tadic for Redmond and Vardy for Ibra next week.

    1. Squires FC
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Start deu over defender every time!!

  8. Jet5605
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Any prospect of Siggie starting against Hull this weekend?

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Certain I'd say

  9. pundit of punts
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    All I want this GW is Gray to score.

    Gives me breathing space for transfers that I have got lined up.

    1. Bolivian Seaman
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      he's on jontys goal imminent table, its a given 🙂

  10. King Kohli
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    If i decide to bench Ayew & save FT, which one of these would you play instead of him?

    A) Stones
    B) Friend
    C) Capoue

    1. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Nothing to split between them. Probably stones

    2. pundit of punts
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      B

  11. n-doggg
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Aguero penalty duties still nailed after last night or we think there's a doubt?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      "Guardiola on Aguero penalties“I'm happy to let him carry on but will leave it up to the players for the next one.”https://t.co/Xokfue2h6X "

      1. n-doggg
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks. Probs still on then

    2. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Has to be a doubt. The thing is there is no obvious replacement - Nolito maybe?

  12. Buck The Trent
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Bench one ?

    A Redmond (mun)
    B Stones (wba)
    C Amat (HUL)
    D Evans (EVE, also playing Foster)

    1. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. MartialMatas
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      D

    3. StalkingDwarf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      D

    4. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      C or D

    5. Big Sum
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      D

    6. Knowledgeable meerkat
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      B - stones has Stoke away, not wba

      1. Buck The Trent
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Oops

  13. MartialMatas
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    when does the scoutcast get released as a podcast?

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Usually Thursday night but with the Friday night game this week could be tonight?

      1. MartialMatas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

    2. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Don't think it is actually a podcast. Will probably be a link on the site tomorrow night. Or you can just watch on YouTube now

      1. Jimmers
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        It is available as a podcast as well

      2. MartialMatas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        it is a podcast. I want to listen to it on my phone at work so its a bit awkward listening to the youtube video

    3. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Interested to know this as well. I couldn't find gw1 podcast before last weekend deadline though

  14. SMELL MY CHEESE YOU MOTHER
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    de Gea - Jakupovic

    Walker - Morgan - Terry - Chambers - Amat

    Shaqiri - Ramsey - Firmino - Hazard - Fletcher

    Aguero - Lukaku - Carroll

    Any urgent changes needed? I'm guessing Ramsey needs to be shipped, is it worth taking a -4 hit anywhere else? Much appreciated.

  15. Jimmers
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    SSN
    Ayew - to have surgery on thigh injury - out for 4 months!

    1. La Roja
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      So unlucky

    2. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Savage

    3. UnitedXCI
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Ayew -> Lamela it is then

  16. Sweetboi
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Deulofeu likely to start on the weekend?

  17. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Mane rumoured to have suffered a dislocated shoulder.

    Average time for recovery is 4-12 weeks.

    Slings can generally be removed after 3-4 weeks depending on the severity.

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Look up

      1. Bøwstring The Carp
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Aha!

    2. Oooof
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      It's a scratch.

  18. Jedi_Reed
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Bench Fuchs, or Friend?

    At the moment, have the former playing. Potential to ship a lot of goals at Arsenal, but also good for attacking returns and BPS.

    1. Sweetboi
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Fuchs

    2. Krul Runnings
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yep, never ever bench a 5.5 def. 5.5 for a reason

  19. n-doggg
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Bench one

    A. Redmond (man)
    B. Ramirez (sun)
    C. Gray (LIV)

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A or B

    2. Andre W
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      A

  20. TaiwanHC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Is my team good to go? Or should I use my free transfer?

    Foster (Heaton)
    Valencia - Baines - Amat (Stones, Friend)
    Redmond - Townsend - Firmino - Hazard (Capoue)
    Gray - Aguero - Vardy

    I'm think about going for Stones instead of Redmond though...

  21. CS
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Thinking to replace one of these
    A) Marhez < Barkley
    B) Marhez < Lamela
    C) Grey < Negredo
    D) Grey < Defoe

    1. Sweetboi
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Save FT

  22. Krul Runnings
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Playing:

    Valencia (SOU) ~ Williams (wba) ~ Amat (HUL)

    Benching:

    Friend (sun) ~ Stones (Stk) ..............in that order.

    G2G?

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah

      1. Krul Runnings
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Ty

    2. Rolls-Royce
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Friend looked good vs Stoke.

  23. Chandler Bing
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Leicester City
    @LCFC
    He's signed!

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Mahrez that is!

    2. Chandler Bing
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Oops.

      Leicester City
      @LCFC
      He's signed!

      1. Chandler Bing
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        It just won't copy the whole thing lol

    3. Bolivian Seaman
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Does that mean vardy is on penalties now? 😉

  24. Ayew Serious
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Mahrez signs new 4 year contract at Leicester

    1. Banana Shaqiri - HMD, PUP
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      £££££

  25. Knowledgeable meerkat
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Mahrez signs new deal at Leicester

    https://mobile.twitter.com/LCFC/status/765976301530390528

    1. Rolls-Royce
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Captain 😎

    2. Ziro
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Ffs.
      The amount of newsprint devoted to agents manufacturing stories to get good deals for players is ridiculous.

    3. Leaf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Another Arsenal target

      1. Knowledgeable meerkat
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Who knows, he might sign a forward or centre back instead now

        1. Leaf
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          Wouldn't that be nice

    4. Leaf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Leicester have done well to hang on to the title winning team
      Just Kante that's it

    5. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Nice one

  26. Diva
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    FPL have now restored Price Paid and Current Price data to the transfer page.

    My thanks to Johnny_, who has posted that update on the hot topic.

  27. rnrd
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Tempted to do a transfer as my team Will look good sin gw3 so Will still have 2ft after end of transfer period and international break.
    Willing to Gamble on Spurs two homegames and I already have lamela. I havent seen Spurs first game but would you pick

    A- eriksen
    B- alli

    For the two next Spurs homegames and why?
    Thanks !!

    1. Bolivian Seaman
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      probably eriksen, no reason

  28. Leaf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Redmond owners

    Are we all quite happy to play him away at Man U ?

    1. Knowledgeable meerkat
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I don't own him but I would - I don't understand benching a OOP mid tbh

      1. Trae44
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Happy to play him, but I want to play Diomande against Swansea too so not sure

    2. Meinhoff
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Not happy, rather okay with that

    3. sinik
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Mourinho's career home record:

      206-42-9

      1. Lawrø
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 8 months ago

        Goals conceded per home app would be a much more relevant stat

        1. Knowledgeable meerkat
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 8 months ago

          This - I back to United to win but would still play Redmond

    4. Oooof
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yep, reckon he'll be useful on the counter.

    5. Your Mum's Athletic
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah

    6. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Yes.
      Are you?

    7. L S P
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      I wouldn't have started him but Ayew inj so...YES QUITEHAPPY

  29. Your Mum's Athletic
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Evening

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Hello

    2. sinik
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      o/

  30. Zlatantheone777
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 8 months ago

    Hey guys my squad for this gameweek nervous just want to make sure i do well !!

    Fabianski
    Valencia Stones Walker
    Mane Payet Rodwell Coutinho
    Zlatan(C) Aguero Defoe

    Any sugestions ?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      No other players? Sky squad?

    2. Knowledgeable meerkat
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 8 months ago

      Mane having scans for the shoulder injury he got today, dislocation apparently so keep an eye on that

      Rodwell is an interesting pick, not sure I like it