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The Digest – Gameweek Eleven

The leader of the pack delivers for Wolves. Bolton tear into a leg-weary Stoke to avenge an FA Cup humiliation and Robin Van Persie takes a hit, as Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers are given every reason to dislike Mondays…

The Player

We’ve waited for Jamie O’Hara to deliver. For weeks we’ve had him bubbling under as a Scout Pick’s consideration, pondering when his contribution to the Wolves effort will translate into Fantasy returns. We suspected it would come as soon as Mick McCarthy’s side could turn the corner and earn their first win since gameweek two. Almost inevitably, lowly Wigan were on the receiving end of a Wolves revival with O’Hara the protagonist in a 3-1 win.

A 15-point FPL haul was signposted. Our Members can see for themselves how O’Hara matches up to some of the leading Fantasy targets this season – how his creativity and threat are integral to Wolves’ chances of saving their Premier League status.

With an FPL valuation of 5.7, O’Hara’s goal and two assists seems likely to rouse interest. Right now, however, investment in O’Hara is being dwarfed by the interest shown in this weekend’s other midfield revelations – Bolton’s Chris Eagles and Norwich’s Anthony Pilkington. Both are cheaper than the Wolves man and have also shown greater consistency when it comes to returns this season.

It’s difficult to make a case for O’Hara then, although we’re pretty certain that if McCarthy can get the Wolves ship on steady waters, O’Hara will be back amongst the points on a regular basis.

The Team

Having slipped to eight defeats in nine league games, Bolton unleashed a goal frenzy on a weary Stoke City at the Reebok. Owen Coyle’s men were relentless, led by the attacking verve of reborn Chris Eagles and the recalled Ivan Klasnic.

The Croatian had a point to prove having dropped down the pecking order following his foolish red card in the gameweek five defeat to Norwich. Since then David Ngog has emerged as a contender up front, while Coyle has dropped Kevin Davies to the bench as he juggled his formation and tactics. Klasnic was back in the lineup against Stoke however, with Kevin Davies alongside him. The Potters, suffering a Europa League hangover once again, had no answer to Bolton’s desire to banish the demons of last season’s humiliating FA Cup semi-final defeat.

The emergence of Chris Eagles is of particular interest to Fantasy managers. The winger has become a major component in Coyle’s plans and, having completed 90 minutes in the last four league games, appears to have surpassed Martin Petrov as a reliable creative force, with a heightened goal threat thrown in.

Three goals and four assists is a healthy return for a midfielder priced at just 5.3 in the FPL game. While Petrov languished on the bench, Eagles seized the opportunity to take centre stage. It’s hard to say how long his flame will burn, but with Bolton entering a run of favourable enough fixtures, short-term investment seems sound.

The Talking Point

Monday morning brought a chain of events that boiled the frustration of many Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers. Having delivered another huge points haul in the 3-0 win over West Brom, Robin Van Persie lost the assist awarded for Thomas Vermaelen’s goal and dropped in the EA PPI rankings, denying him a single bonus point. Those who captained Van Persie suffered an 8-point drop in their total – green arrows suddenly turned into red – I speak from experience.

It’s hard to pin down the real issues at play here. Is it frustration with the criteria used to judge an assist? The fact that a touch from Gervinho would be enough to cancel out the cross from Van Persie which eventually found it’s way to Vermaelen’s boot?

Perhaps it’s more the process of the points being removed, the fact that it took forty-eight hours for the points awarded on Saturday, to be stripped on Monday morning.

The fact is, Gervinho touched Van Persie’s cross. That was not only the judgement of the Press Association after Monday’s review. It was also the call made by Opta who also awarded a “Goal Assist” to the Ivorian on Saturday night.

Like it or not, then, no Fantasy game in the land gave the assist to Van Persie – it’s not included in the Sky game, it’s not included in the Fantasy League and, while the Telegraph give Van Persie a “Key Contribution”, they also award the same to Gervinho – recognising that he got a touch on the Dutchman’s cross.

We had the Van Persie assist for forty-eight hours but it was never ours to have. We can argue it – re-examine footage but where do we draw the line with such disputes?

When two data providers, charged with supplying correct and accurate data for statistical purposes both say Gervinho touched it, it’s clear we’re fighting a losing battle. The same could be said of Gareth Bale’s “goal” at Fulham – the Press Association don’t stand alone here either – Bale’s goal has been awarded by Opta and all the major Fantasy Games. At what point do we have to shut up and put up?

It also seems unlikely that the new definition of an assist within the FPL ruleset is to blame in the Van Persie’s case. There were examples last season, when this definition wasn’t around, where the slightest of touches took an assist from the supplier of a cross. If an attacking player gets a touch on a cross, a flicked header for example – they gain the assist if a goal is then resultantly scored, not the cross provider. We should be used to this by now.

Van Persie’s cross was intended for Gervinho – the Ivorian fluffed his lines, missed the cross but appeared to divert the ball with his back leg after swinging with the right. A bungled, unintentional intervention but, in terms of the significance of the touch, just how far apart is this from a flick off a player’s hairline on the near post? For all the frustration, once we accept that Gervinho touched the ball, it’s hard to argue against the assist going his way.

Unless of course we push for the whole definition of an assist to be changed. Perhaps such a touch from Gervinho shouldn’t be rewarded? After all, he never intended for the ball to end up Vermaelen’s path when he swung his leg.

Interestingly, Opta have two definitions for an assist; a “goal assist” -which Gervinho earned- and an “intentional assist” – which clearly he didn’t. Do we need and want a similar system applied to the FPL – should we only reward a player if he genuinely intended to set up the scorer?

Perhaps we want the Telegraph’s Key Contribution instead – a system where more than one player can be awarded points for their role in creating a goal – in this case both Van Persie and Gervinho would have benefited.

I’m not sure that a perfect solution is available, but we can and will debate this further. While the definition of an assist in the FPL is clear, it does create cases that cause frustration and perhaps offer the need for things to be re-examined.

Personally, I’m far more frustrated by assists being awarded after positive intervention from a defender (a clearance). Demba Ba’s assist for Ryan Taylor’s goal against Everton being the latest case in point. That’s my own crusade and one I’ll go on pursuing.

Don’t get me wrong. While I’m firmly in the camp that we have to accept the fact that Van Persie did not earn an assist, I’m also aware that things are far from perfect.

It’s worth noting that the FPL did act as a result of Monday’s events by adding clarity to the rules concerning the revision of decisions. They now state the following:

“All assists are reviewed daily but remain provisional until verified by the Press Association. For the avoidance of doubt, points awarded in-game are subject to change until the Gameweek closes. Once a Gameweek closes, no further adjustments to points will be made.”

Better. Nobody can be in doubt now that, until the bonus points are allocated, assists can be added and removed. Whether we’re comfortable with that is another matter. The view is that it’s better to arrive at the correct decision later, than make a call in twenty-four hours or less and get it wrong. Again, it’s hard to argue against this. We all want a fair outcome – had Van Persie kept his assist in the FPL, it would have been the only Fantasy game to award it. That surely would not have been a fair outcome.

We want live updates on our scores, but perhaps if a decision is subject to review, at that point the associated points could be removed. Perhaps that would make the potential pill easier to swallow. Perhaps communication on decisions under review is also required.

Monday’s events have clearly raised a number of issues and, while, in my view, we have to put the specific case of Van Persie’s assist to bed, the classification of assists and the allocation of points under review, remain hot potatoes that will clearly spark further debate. Listen out for the next podcast is all I can say.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. A2U
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    12 years, 7 months ago

    Anyone reckon Milner's a decent investment?

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    1. GREENDREAMS11
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      i used to. put him in 2 weeks ago after playing 4 games on the trot. Mancini then decided to bench him, i then took him out for Nani and mancini plays him, If you want grey hair thats one of the quick ways to get it

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      1. A2U
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Rotation, rotation, rotation, just sucks doesn't it? Sounds like a liability, thanks for the info

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      2. Fratboy
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        oh snap! I switched him out for yaya though 😉

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    2. SC not pearls before swine
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Too much rotation worries and not enough upside for me. I'd rather burn a striker spot and an extra million on Dzeko, who's leads all players in fantasy points per game and go with a budget midfielder who will play every week.

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      1. beslowbowler
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        WRH, if you could choose Aguero or Dzeko, who would you go for longish term? See below.

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        1. futbolnotsoccer
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I'll answer that question for him: Aguero, if you can afford him. To be fair to Aguero, he hit the woodwork once and was very unlucky in front of goal, he had more chances. Believe me you, he is Mancini's top choice atm and will play a lot of games. And he is so explosive, it'd be terrible to not count on him.

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          1. beslowbowler
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Sounds good FNS

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      2. A2U
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Sounds like a plan, although is Dzeko quite prone to being rested at the moment?

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    3. Monklane
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      For City, yes. For us, no.

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  2. jimski
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    The problem with the RVP "assist" was not that they gave it to Gervinho, but that they added points then took them away. If an assist is in doubt, they should give it to nobody until it is clear. In this case it is made doubly bad if it's true that Opta awarded it to Gervinho immediately. Pretty poor stuff from FPL.

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I don't remember an uproar when RvP's assist for Walcott's v Chelsea was not given, then added on the Monday.

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      1. jimski
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        That's fine though, and exactly what I'm saying should have happened in this case. If they add points fine, but taking them away is uber-annoying.

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          If we want real-time scoring, we have to put up with the odd mistake - as long as it's rectified at some point, I don't see the problem.

          I had RvP captained, too, dropped from 85k on Sunday night to 109k on Monday morning, annoying but they got the right decision in the end, I think.

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          1. jimski
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Yes, they did get the decision right, but I think they should have waited before awarding the points. If someone gets points they oughtn't to be removed. A lot of people have expressed this view in the league I'm in.

            i.e. it's fine to say "I'm not sure who assisted the goal so we'll award points when we know", but not fine to say "RVP assisted the goal, have some points" then "oh no he didn't, we'll have those points back you thought were yours bwah ha hah" (maniacal cackle from FPL towers)

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            1. Oldman Unathletic
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              Good point - well made

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    2. beslowbowler
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      +1

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      1. Prestige Worldwide
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        The rest of my team is:

        Vorm - Ruddy

        Jones - Bosingwa - Wilkinson - Enrique - Simpson

        Silva -VDV - Drenthe - Brunt - Ramsey

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    3. Oldman Unathletic
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      This.

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  3. beslowbowler
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    12 years, 7 months ago

    Currently have RVP, Suarez & Sturridge (plus VDV, Silva, Mata). Both City strikers are rotation risks (Aguero slightly less so) but which would you do:

    A: Suarez >> Aguero
    B: Sturridge >> Dzeko
    C: Something else...

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    1. SC not pearls before swine
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Probably B. But I'm still holding out hope they both get injured playing for country and I can bring in bibotelli.

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      1. beslowbowler
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Because you think he'll earn more points or because of the roller coaster ride of being a Balo owner?

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        1. SC not pearls before swine
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Roller coaster ride. And I think any of the three with guaranteed playing time would bring in major points.

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  4. Prestige Worldwide
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    How imperative is RVP?

    I have Rooney - Suarez - Balotelli up top.

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    1. beslowbowler
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Imperative to the Max. Points magnet! Swap for Rooney.

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      1. Prestige Worldwide
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Thats some good advice there. I was thinking that same thing, would have to take a hit to bring him in now since he is more expensive than Rooney. He will continue to perform until injured which we all know is bound to happen.

        Hmm, what to do?

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    2. SC not pearls before swine
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Considering how expensive he is right now, I might go without. It's a big competitive disadvantage when you are paying 1/2 million more for the same player as your rivals. Having said that, he's going to continue to produce and you might be better off biting the bullet and trying to make up for it with better cheaper options than your rivals.

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    3. Prestige Worldwide
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I meant to reply here

      The rest of my team is:

      Vorm – Ruddy

      Jones – Bosingwa – Wilkinson – Enrique – Simpson

      Silva -VDV – Drenthe – Brunt – Ramsey

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  5. Clintymints
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Bad news

    "Pardew to allow Shane Ferguson to leave on loan to championship"

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    1. Mull
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I just shed a tear.

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    2. SPorting
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      agreed.....it's very bad news for the Championship.

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    3. jimski
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Does that mean he gets removed from the midfield options on the transfer page? Better get him in fast if you want a cheap midfielder! 😉

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      1. Clintymints
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        just an ugly permanent red marker on his name now

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        1. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          There should of been one of those anyway.

          Will anyone who has him actually transfer him out now? Can't see it happening.

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        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        😀

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  6. PL Ball
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    12 years, 7 months ago

    Drenthe or Rodwell?

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    1. SPorting
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      good question.

      33 FPL points vs 28

      6.0M vs 5.3M

      i know Doosra is a big advocate of Rodders.

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      1. Leysh
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        He probably wouldn't be if he didn't support Everton.

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        1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Doosra supports West Ham

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          1. Leysh
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            It says on his FPL that he supports Everton?

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            1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              Probably because West Ham aren't in the league.

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              1. Leysh
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                You don't have to pick a team.

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      2. Leysh
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Plus Rodwell has played over twice as much game time.

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      3. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Drenthe.

        Looking at possibly getting him and Sess in this GW.

        Sess is rising tonight though and I only have £0.4m in bank so can't really afford to wait 2 weeks. Thinking of doing Taarabt to Sess tonight though to beat the rise. Still would have 1 freebie left to do the Sinclair to Drenthe move next week.

        Sound good, folks?

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      4. 1966 was a great year for E…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Doosra owned Phil Neville 😉

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    2. Leysh
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Attacking midfielder or a defensive midfielder? Think about it 😛

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      1. Fratboy
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        i like your posts, they make sense 🙂

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        1. Leysh
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Aww thanks 🙂 I like your posts too

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          1. Fratboy
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            I got a fair bit of sh*t today 🙁

            Might just come on in the evenings, or just post less... 🙁

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            1. Leysh
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              Oh really? What for? Probably posting something completely logical. Yeah I post less now, it's all about twitter! 😉

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            2. Oldman Unathletic
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              don't take it personally mate, if you have something to say or have any opinion don't hesitate to express it (your comment on the m5 crash withstanding, which was misguided although i believe wasn't intended to be malicious)

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      2. big oak
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        12 years, 7 months ago

        rodwell is more of a box to box mid these days. however he was pushing forward more with fellaini out for 1 game.
        i would stay away from any of them until things are clear in the everton camp

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      3. PL Ball
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        +1!

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    3. Clintymints
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Royston prob for me

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    4. PL Ball
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Drenthe it is then. Cheers 🙂

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  7. Mr Smith
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    So, Smalling.....what's the latest on his injury and is he likely to slot straight back into the Utd defence when he returns?

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    1. Fratboy
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      probably best asking this in about 10 days haha

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Due back 3 Dec, but fighting for the RB spot with Jones and Rafael, and the CB spot with Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Jones.

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      1. Fratboy
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        we're a bit of a defensive nightmare at the moment, you think he'll threaten Jones 1966?

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        1. The Light Knight
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          nah jones is only at risk from rafa at rb. smalling will be cb with vida.

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          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Really hard to say, I can see more rotation, which is half the problem imo. You want stability in your back 4, especially the 2 CBs. Fergie will be wary of playing Jones too much, he usually eases the youngsters and gives them plenty of rest these days.

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          1. Oldman Unathletic
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            I fear you maybe right, hopefully (as a jones owner) jones will benefit from his versatility and impressive performances to date. I would still expect him to feature consistently (90% of the time rough guesstimate) as he has been one of utd's standout performers. A possible safety net to consider is to purchase either evans/smalling in addition to jones to reasonably ensure that you have at least 1 utd defender playing each week.

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      2. Mr Smith
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I guess that poses another question, do you think jones will continue his midfield exploits?

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          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          He might play there occasionally, but he's behind Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley and probably Carrick for one of the 2 CM spots.

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          1. Mr Smith
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Ta for the info 🙂

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    3. big oak
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      even if fit i wouldnt put my money on a player who will be rotated for fun

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  8. Fratboy
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Hmm seems to be a better crowd on here in the evenings? It usually like this? Seems much more chilled.

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      people are generally too tired to get worked up about things. also the majority of the aussies aren't here 😉

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      1. Fratboy
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        hahaha

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    2. big oak
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      crowd is always good and cultured around here, except the last 10 minutes before the deadline where all everybody is busy asking the same questions

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    3. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      People are at work in the daytime - you can't call your boss a ****, but you can take it out on people on here instead 😛

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    4. Menly
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Trust me the whole RVP assist thing was so heated I considered not coming on here ever again. But then I listened to dark side of the moon and it was fine (don't know why!)

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  9. CatMac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Why is everyone suddenly going for Drenthe and Sess when 2 weeks ago Ramsey and Walters were the must-haves?

    All have good fixtures for the next 3 or 4 (except Stoke who's next 2 are good); Drenthe has only played 2 full games and Everton are out of form; and Sess had two good scores in GW's 9 & 10 but hasnt really set the place alight yet. Surely it's better to hold off for a couple of weeks?

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    1. Mr Smith
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      It's very fickle world we live in. I have forgotten the number of bagonwheels that have come and gone. Certainly got caught up in a few myself, unsuccessfully

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      1. CatMac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Too true, Mr Smith. I got caught by the Sess & Moses ones at the start of the season - more wary now though. Maybe it's the boredom of international breaks 🙂

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    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      In my position Sess is a massive upgrade on Taarabt.

      I never bothered with Ramsey as I had RVP and Walters doesn't appealto me.

      Sess, however, does look like the boy's got points and potential in him.

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      1. The Light Knight
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        oh god having flashbacks from start of season

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      2. Henry Hill
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Thought I was the only one who still had Taarabt!

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        1. The Light Knight
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          i imagine its like having moses but not in anyway amusing

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          1. CatMac
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            It's quite amusing to look back on who you had GW1. The only players I've kept since then are RVP, Vorm, Silva and S Taylor. Rest are long gone 😀

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            1. Damo.
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              That's pretty good the only one I have is Saylor I think. Think he's played every game for me too.

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              1. The Light Knight
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                kompany (although i have brought back vermaelen)

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        2. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          After tonight you may well be Henry!!!1 😀

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          1. Henry Hill
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            I was planning on getting rid of him this week but now I have deadwood in Mignolet and Bosingwa who need to go so not sure what I will do!

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  10. Pat Mustard
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Just realised my next opponent in FFS H2H Reserve has 12 players same as me. Could come down to something like an Arteta vs. Drenthe match up. Has anyone ever played someone with exact same 11??

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    1. CatMac
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      No, but it would come down to captain choices or be a draw!

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  11. A.T
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Best Utd team during the SAF years

    schmeichel

    g. neville ferdinand stam irwin

    beckham keane scholes giggs

    rooney ronaldo

    what do you reckon. Im not a utd fan by the way

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      swap beckham 4 cantona and stick ronaldo on the wing! Forgot cantona ffs

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      1. The Light Knight
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        good save. this wasn't up when i was typing below

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    2. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      obviously not a utd fan as you left out eric hehe. i would have vida, cantona and ruud over rio, becks and roo

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      1. Pat Mustard
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        +1 Vidic!

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        1. A.T
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          i just thre ferdinand in really cause i couldnt think of anyone better! But yeah I do agree vidic is better. lol

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      2. Damo.
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Yep I would have Ruud over Rooney every single day of the week.

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      3. kennethrhcp
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        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        spot on!

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    3. Pat Mustard
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Pretty much spot on, Cantona?

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      Schmeichel
      Neville Vidic Pallister Irwin
      Ronaldo Robson Scholes Giggs
      Rooney Cantona

      subs: VDS, Keane, van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Stam, Hughes

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      1. A.T
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        robson over keane? do me a favour!

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        1. Leysh
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Robson is a proper legend.

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          1. A.T
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            M-A-N U-T-D

            Bryan Robsons got VD
            With a knick knack paddy whack
            Give a dog a bone
            Bryan Robson **** off home

            we used to sing that on the school bus

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        2. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 13 Years
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          Fergie's been manager since '86 - Robson was still at the top of his game (when fit) from '86-'90, and with a fairly bad team around him at times.

          Captain Marvel 😀

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          1. A.T
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            he was never fit though

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              Not for England, but he was for Utd a fair bit. My hero as a kid.

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              1. chinmusic
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                He got 91 caps for England so he must have been fit more than people recall. From what I remember he was injured at unfortunate times - 1986 and 1990 World Cups for starters.

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                1. 1966 was a great year for E…
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  Yeah, that's what I meant, not fit for the later tournaments (or injured during them...)

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      2. Leysh
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Like it very much, I'd go with the generic Stam over Pallister though myself, or maybe Bruce

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Yeah, tempted by both of them, just really like Pally! Loved that free-kick he scored in the last game of the season so that every outfield player had scored that season 🙂

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      3. The Light Knight
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        i like the team. too young to remember robson and ruud was always my favourite

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  12. jimski
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I'd really like to stick with my team for next week, gamble on Sturridge for another game, but with a price drop thrown into the equation it becomes too much of a gamble for me. Annoying...

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    1. living the dream
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I have him and sticking with, im sure he will come good. Plus the more take him out the bigger the differential.

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I'm sticking too.

        Chelsea get back in a scoring mood he will be pat of it. He's also still cheapest entry into Chelsea attack.

        Worth exercising a bit of patience in my opinion.

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    2. Hyperion
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'm wrestling with it at present. Sit tight or hop on the bendy bus?

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I'm inclined more towards Sess than Bendtner, but thats because I think my MF needs my 2 free transfers this week much more than my strike force (RVP, Rooney, Sturridge)

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        1. Menly
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I have the same strikeforce, and rooney and sturridge have just been so infuriating that I'm tempted to do rooney > dzeko and sturridge > anybody!
          But patience is a virtue...

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      2. living the dream
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Im sure bendy will do ok but it will only be for the short term. Im more comfortable having sturridge from a chelsea team that wil score alot more goals than sunderland. Not liking the 60 minute cameos of sturridge mind. In this game all the best things come to those who wait, i did that with Rvp and thats paid off so im sticking with.

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    3. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I have him, was going to keep but now very tempted to get on the Bendy bus.

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      1. Menly
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Im also thinking maybe the Klasnic Koach (though already have eagles).
        I'm probably going to sess so not much point in the bendy bus...

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  13. The Pep Revolution
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Which of the City forwards is the best to have?

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      i'm liking dzeko but he will probably get rested after his playoff games

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      1. The Pep Revolution
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah he probably will but still should do well when he returns. Even if he plays the last few minutes he could still score once or twice if City have another of their impressive performances.

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    2. Loooser
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      none

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  14. living the dream
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    How does the value of a player increase or decrease? Is it purely transfers in and out? I just wondered if poor form caused price drops?

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      just transfers in and out

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      1. living the dream
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Ok cool cheers.

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  15. A.T
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    best everton team under moyes

    martyn

    neville jags wier baines

    donovon arteta fellaini piennar

    rooney cahill

    shit really

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Amazing he's done so well tbf - got you in the Champions' League (well, nearly...)

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      1. A.T
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        moyes thinks we got there. Everyone else saw us get ko in the qualifier!

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    2. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      what no saha?

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      1. Damo.
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        He got injured before the team sheet was called out.

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      2. A.T
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        no chance. Big Dunc to come off the bench as he was past his peak when moyes came

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  16. Menly
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Hang onto rooney for another week in the doldrums of midfield, or transfer out for say dzeko? (Obviously not a transfer I will rush into!)

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    1. Henry Hill
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Dzeko will probably be rested as he has two tough play off games against Portugal in the next week. If Cleverly is fit again I'd imagine Rooney will be up front again

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      1. Menly
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks yeah good point

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  17. sester
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Nani for VDV??? good idea?
    the fixtures are enticing.

    front 8 of
    Moses Dyer Silva VDV Ramsey
    Ade RVP Roonpig

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    1. unoaime
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Form vs fixtures, all depends on what's more relevant to you.

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  18. unoaime
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Given, Ruddy
    Kompany, Bosingwa, Wilkinson, Simpson, Boyata
    Mata, Silva, vDV, Moses, Dyer
    Sturridge, Suarez, RvP

    2FT, what would you suggest?

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      bye suarez and bos. hello vida and aggers

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      1. futbolnotsoccer
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I say keep Suarez, but bye Bos. Bos to...NAYLOR. Or Rangel, take your pick. Good team....oh man, just saw moses. Bye him too.

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        1. unoaime
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Good team but i still get crap scores every week 🙁

          Will take a look at them 2, cheers.

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          1. unoaime
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            And Moses will come good. I don't care if i say it every week.

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            1. Daniyal
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              get Pjones for bosingwa or Vermaelen

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    2. FplBerg
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I think I'd ship out Bosingwa and Mata.

      You could bring in Brown/Vermaelen/Walker and Nani/Sessegnon/Formica, dependent on how much you're willing to spend (you could save cash to upgrade Sturridge or Suarez if they continue to misfire).

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      1. unoaime
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        How safe is Nani in the starting lineup atm?

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        1. FplBerg
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Probably safer than we think. He's a very important player in United's attacking play, especially with Young out. (imo)

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          1. unoaime
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Fair enough. I'll consider it, i only wish he was a bit cheaper.

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            1. FplBerg
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              I considered shipping him out last week and stuck with him. I think he's a player for the long-term now. Perhaps I'll be proved wrong though...

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              1. unoaime
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                What're you planning to do with Sturridge and Agbonlahor?

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                1. FplBerg
                  • 14 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  I think I'll give them both the next two gameweeks, and then look to bring in for Aguero/Suarez/Ba/Long, dependent on form.

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  19. The Light Knight
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    i just saw that i am only 16K different to my place from week 1 even though i have been a million off

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  20. Super Drenthe
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Think of how much easier it would if Mancini and Ferguson didn't rotate their squads so much.
    Then we wouldn't have the Is Aguero,Dzeko or Bag-a-telli or the Hernandez or Welbeck debate.

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    1. Shakhtar Senseless
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      That would be too boring though, wouldn't it?

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      1. FplBerg
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        +1

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    2. Damo.
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I see Nasri's pulled out of the friendlies http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/08112011/2/nasri-pulls-u-s-belgium-friendlies.html if is fit should be guaranteed to play

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    3. Demí
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      But then everyone would know which players to get. Wouldn't be any fun, and we wouldn't be gaining any advantage

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  21. emperikal
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Looking to get rid of Bos and Ba for the upcoming GW (seems so far away!). Who do y'all think is the best replacements? I think I'm pretty set on straight swap of Ba for Bentdner but torn on who to bring in for Bos. Who's the best defender option for 5.8 or less?

    I'm thinking Koscielny, Walker, Jagielka, Cahill, Alex? Anyone I'm missing?

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    1. CatMac
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      In the same boat Emperikal, only thinking Walker, Jagielka, Jones, Shawcross at the mo, but 3 playing in internationals (injuries) and one already injured 🙁

      Wouldnt mind Alex but not sure he's a reliable starter.

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  22. Shakhtar Senseless
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    If rotation wasn't an issue, what three forwards would you have?

    Dzeko-Rooney-RVP

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    1. Leysh
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Dzeko, Hernandez, RVP

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      1. CatMac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        +1

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    2. Super Drenthe
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      RVP-Rooney-Aguero 😉

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  23. Skorge88
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Any word on Cleverley's fitness? I'm thinking of axing him for one of Walters/Sess/Drenthe/Ramsey.

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Should be back after the internationals, with a bit of luck. Got any other Utd cover?

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      1. HVT
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        He should get in Robson!

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          😀

          He'd have been a great fantasy player 🙂

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          1. HVT
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Denis Irwin for me, c.s./Frees/ assists and on penos - A more consistent Baines

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              Or Steve Bruce when he was on pens - didn't he get about 16 goals one season?!

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              1. HVT
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                Noble call - In 1990/1991 Stephen Roger Bruce scored 19 goals in 50 matches-Fantasy Gold! (P.S. so was 1971 Keane was born)

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                1. 1966 was a great year for E…
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  Ah, I was going to say 18 but that sounded too many!

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          2. HVT
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Must say like the avatar!

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              😀 ,yours too. Keane v Cantona would have been some fight!

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              1. HVT
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                We'd better get back to the moses/ferguson/sessong/walters etc debate!

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                1. 1966 was a great year for E…
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  Drenthe is the answer 😉

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                  1. HVT
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    Ive gone with Allen based on a roo/aguero/studge. Vdv/Silva/mata and a few 4m def!

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                  2. 1966 was a great year for E…
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    Nice - I'm still stuck with M*ses 🙁

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                  3. HVT
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    had him a while back and ferg but hit wc!

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  24. Menly
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Sess gonna rise tonight? If so its gonna have to be goodbye Murphy

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    1. @ImpressiveTackl
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I think I'm going Bendtner instead but yes Sess could likely go up tonight so it's crunch time if you want him.

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  25. Super Drenthe
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Short and Simple RMT till January

    Vorm | Ruddy
    P Jones | Enrique | Naylor | Simpson | Tierney
    Nani | VDV | Silva | Drenthe | Ferguson
    Rooney | RVP | Graham

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Ferguson has gone / is going out on loan to the Championship. Not that it'll affect his playing time...

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        😆

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      2. Super Drenthe
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Yeh £0.6m in the bank time for the chop I think but who for???

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Allen / Dyer / Bradley Johnson?

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    2. Shakhtar Senseless
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'd opt for Macaulay or Barnett over Tierney. Doubling up on Swansea defence could hurt you as well. I'd also try and get on the Bendy bus rather than using Graham. I think things are going to go tits up for Swansea.

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  26. @ImpressiveTackl
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Rate My Logic

    So I'm on a wildcard and I'm currently thinking about my 3 striker slots.
    1) RVP - no discussions or thought required.
    2) Roonpig - I know the scaremongerers want to believe he is gonna be stuck in that midfield slot and out of form forever. I don't buy it. I can't think of anyone I would rather invest in for United's good run of fixtures. Free kicks and Penalties. He's nailed on.
    3) Considering the big investments in slots 1 and 2, I need a bargain in slot 3. Fixtures wise I am looking at Sunderland, Everton, Blackburn or Stoke. Out of all the strikers in those teams I would only be happy with Bendtner or Hoilett. Honestly could you pick anyone else from that lot?
    4) So how is this for a front 8 that covers as much of those teams as I can see fit:
    Silva VDV Walters Drenthe Eagles
    RVP Roonpig Bendtner (Hoilett after GW15)

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    1. Shakhtar Senseless
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I really think Sturridge or Bendtner are the best shouts. Sturridge will score and assist, he's a class act.

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    2. Mull
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'm going for a front 8 like that so I think it sounds a very good idea.

      VDV, Silva, Drenthe, Sessengon, Formica
      RVP, Rooney, Graham.

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    3. An Púca
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      there's a lot of Drenthe love out there...don't get it!

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    4. Menly
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I personally haven't seen enough of drenthe... but I am considering him. Why do you prefer him to sessegnon? That seems to be the debate at the moment, and it is for me aswell

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Simple reason. I want Everton cover and I want Sunderland cover.

        Everton have no decent strikers whereas Sunderland have Bendtner so I am sacrificing Sess for Drenthe.

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        1. Waldaz
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Agreed.

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    5. Scroobius Mac
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Hoilett is semi-POO so I dont fancy him, if you want B'burn swap Eagles for Formica.
      Otherwise good logic to me.

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    6. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Posted this before in reply to someone else:

      Rooney has pens, direct free kicks, assist potential, bonus potential without scoring, is a better player and won’t ever be dropped for tactical reasons, just for a rest or off-field shenanigans…

      Really like your front 8, not a Bendtner fan myself but he'll probably do OK.

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  27. Menly
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    What happened to VDV in the fulham game. He hardly did anything!?

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    1. Anorak
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Fulham were on top, denying space, pressing well and forcing Spurs to pass backwards, eventually to Friedel.
      VDV doesn't win a lot of ball in the air.

      I'm still a little shocked that Spurs won that game considering Fulham's dominance.

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      1. Super Drenthe
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        So then VDV was brought off for someone who CAN win the ball in the air....
        Jermain Defoe

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        1. Anorak
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Nope - someone with the pace to get in behind.
          Fulham's pressing in the second half also served to nullify Lennon and Bale somewhat, meaning that when ball was won, there was no-one on the shoulder to take advantage.

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    2. HVT
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      He did didly squat cos I got on the wagon wheel.

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    3. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Just had an off game. After scoring for so many games in a row it had to happen sooner or later. He's getting 2 goals against Villa next time out.

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  28. Henry Hill
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Just gonna watch Thrilla in Manilla on dvd now, RIP Joe!

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  29. V-2 Schneiderlin
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    was just about to hit the transfer button for Petrov & Shorey (I know...) > Sess and Wilkinson but noted that Wilkinson was subbed off after 67 minutes against Bolton - any reason? Didn't see the match

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    1. An Púca
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      he's not very good! Plus Danny Higginbottom is back

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      1. Super Drenthe
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Yet more compitition.

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      2. Oldman Unathletic
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        how many people are holding fire on the wilko transfer with higginbottom fit again?

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        1. Call Me Old Fashioned
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I am, going to opt for McAuley or Gabbidon when QPR fixtures ease for De Laet. More pressing matters lie ahead.

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          1. Oldman Unathletic
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            yes, mcauley is a compelling option

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        2. An Púca
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I was going to swap him for ShawX but wil hold fire now for a couple of weeks. I reckon Higignbottom will nail down a spot once fit

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          1. Oldman Unathletic
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            yes higginbottom may very well nail down a spot in the first 11 based on previous seasons where he was a regular

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      3. V-2 Schneiderlin
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        hey they only let in 5 goals!
        So Wilkinson not nailed on for starts from now?

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    2. Twelve years a slave
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I wouldnt be suprised to see Wilkinson dropped , 5 0 drubbings have that effect

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      1. V-2 Schneiderlin
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        any other bargain defenders out there? 4.1 or less!?

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Don't say that! you will upset Demi!

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    3. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      He was one of only 2 Stoke players to play all 3 games that week - could have been something to do with that.

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    4. Jönny
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I've just been reading some comments on a Stoke message board to see what the consensus is on this... Their fans seem to view Wilkinson as their best right back, and they're generally pretty pissed with Pulis for playing "our best right back at left back, and our best centre back (Huth) at right back." Most would like to see Wilko-Huth-Shawcross-Higginbotham as a settled back four. However most of them also agree that Pulis is a stubborn so-and-so (not the words they used!) and that this might not be how it goes.

      Seems a lot of them would like to see Sorensen back between the sticks too.

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  30. Waldaz
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Hi guys, it's gonna be a long two weeks so I'm toying with the team at the moment. Already did Petrov to Drenthe and I'm looking to dump a little bit of deadwood, sooo:

    Bosingwa, Cabaye & Suarez to Brown (or any other 4.8m def), Silva and Bendtner

    for a 8 pointer, how does it sound?

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    1. Jukesy
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Leave Suarez to Bendtner I reckon. Chelsea may have got a clean sheet last GW, but that was against Blackburn, and I would back Suarez in the big games. As well as that, Sunderland are against Fulham, which isn't a walkover fixture, Bendtner won't outscore Suarez by 4.~

      I'd just do the Bosingwa transfer, either to Brown, or I would personally get Hibbert (or an everton defender). Their run of fixtures over the next 10 GWs has to be one of the best.

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      1. Waldaz
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Cabaye has to though, he's injured and has horrible fixtures, and if I don't downgrade Suarez I can't afford Silva...

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        1. Jukesy
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          If you're set on getting Silva in, then go ahead. I think there's plenty of options around the £7m mark for Midfielders at the moment though

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          1. Waldaz
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Yeah, the cheaper option could be Diego Walters, it's just that I've had enough of Silva killing me every week... I'll think about it, cheers.

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