Fixtures

Double Gameweek 31 for City and United

From a Fantasy perspective, there’s been plenty of news to consider from Old Trafford over the last couple of days. First there was the club record signing of Juan Mata on Saturday evening, whilst earlier on today David Moyes revealed both Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie are back in full training ahead of tomorrow’s home game with Cardiff.

In the past hour, though, United’s confirmation of a Manchester derby with neighbours City on Tuesday March 25 is perhaps the most significant of all.

With both clubs facing a blank Gameweek 28 due to City’s participation in the Capital One Cup final, the Premier League have moved quickly to reschedule their Old Trafford encounter.

Essentially, this means both clubs now have a double Gameweek 31 on their respective agendas. United will travel to West Ham on the Saturday evening beforehand, whilst City entertain Fulham at the Etihad on the same day, giving the duo three days’ rest before they go head-to-head at Old Trafford.

As winter wildcard plans are finalised, today’s news is bound to play a significant part in our thinking.

Looking at the fixtures directly after the double, United are clearly at an advantage. David Moyes’ side have home games with Villa and Hull in two of the subsequent three, while City have trips to Arsenal and Liverpool over the same period. Mata, Rooney and van Persie look set to be earmarked by many, though the tactic of stocking up on City may be a little less enticing.

With Liverpool travelling to Cardiff the same weekend, Luis Suarez owners will be keen to hold – many will be looking to free up budget in midfield, then, in order to afford a United forward along with Suarez and Sergio Aguero up top.

Significantly, this comes in the same Gameweek where Chelsea and Arsenal go head-to-head at Stamford Bridge. Indeed, with the Gunners’ fixtures reading (tot, che, MCY, eve) from Gameweek 30-33, offloading their assets may be a popular tactic.

We’ll bring you the usual Scouting the Doubles articles nearer the time but, for now, this is a heads-up.

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  1. Chrissy Waddle - 2023/24
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Evening gents... WC for a number 1 or number 2..?

    1. Baines Azpi Bony

    2. Evans Terry Benteke/Giroud

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    1. Chrissy Waddle - 2023/24
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Number 1 gives me this...

      Davis Boruc
      Ward Bruce Azpi Baines Kos
      Mata Hazard Cazorla Cabaye Noone
      Aguero Suarez Bony

      or the same squad with number 2's instead.... Preferences?

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      1. GREENDREAMS11
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        No 1 Daniel son.

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  2. Wakka Wakkas
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Greetings from the States-

    Which team? A is current (on WC):

    I cant decide between these two teams:

    A)
    Mannone/Adrian
    Terry/Mert/Kolarov/Ward/Bruce
    Hazard/Yaya/Cabaye/Wilshire/Janu
    Kun/Suarez/Lukaku (or Bony/Rodriguez/Abedayor with an upgrade elsewhere

    or

    B)
    Mannone/Adrian
    Azpi/Mert/Kolarov/Ward/Bruce
    Hazard/Yaya/Mata/Ramsey/Mutch
    Kun/Suarez/Rodriguez

    B right? It just looks so good!

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    1. The EJJ
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      B. Could you do Mert -> Kosc and then Rodriguez -> Bony?

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    2. Wakka Wakkas
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      I would have to do Mert -> Kosc and Mutch--> Noone to get Bony

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  3. Pabster
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Do we have until the start of GW24 to wc? If we don't do it before tomorrow, can we do it before the weekend?

    Asking for a friend ...

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    1. Turtlepower
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

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    2. BeachBadger
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      yep you can use it til feb

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      1. Pabster
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers. Had trouble interpreting due to not being all that smart.

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  4. Turtlepower
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Was looking fwd to looking at lineups to make last min adjustments to my wc squad. Just realised the matches are 3.45am local time tomorrow, guess won't be getting much sleep....

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    1. Wavey Wambz
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      where do you live

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      1. Turtlepower
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Singapore, timezone is gmt +8hrs

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  5. King Kohli
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Best defenders on a WC?

    Would you get Baines and bench him for the 3 away games coming up? (liv,tot,che)

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    1. The EJJ
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Koscielny, Azpi, Kolarov, Evans pick 3 from those and then Ward and Bruce

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        I'm so confused by the Evans talk around here. Their defense has been very poor and they haven't signed anyone to help out with that.

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        1. 42 Rules
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          + Carrick out and Fellani hardly setting world on fire

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      2. King Kohli
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        I'm leaning toward Koscielny & Azpi. Not keen on either Kolarov or Evans. Any other defenders worth considering apart from sunderland defenders?

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    2. Frank Black
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      No.

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    3. chrisjdgrady
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      If you get Baines, you never bench him imo. Way too much money to bench. You gotta hope he scores in those games.

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    4. Chrissy Waddle - 2023/24
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Never bench him................................................. ever. Get someone else otherwise.

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  6. Jacketts Potatoes
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Folks, Already played my WC last week and have ridiculous injury problems.
    I've got WILSHERE doubtful and COLEMAN & CHESTER are out.

    I can field a team in 3-4-3 but this is playing HUDSON against Utd (who prob won't start).

    Would you consider a -4 hit?

    I could do Chester to a def of up to £4.2m as I'm keeping some funds back for when Ramsey finally returns.. But this is for a hit as my FT is used

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    1. Jacketts Potatoes
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Any thoughts would be appreciated

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    2. Shankly Gates
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      yes no problem going for a hit ... wait until lineups announced so you definetly have a starting player
      look at Palace defenders

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      1. Jacketts Potatoes
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Yeah palace on my mind or maybe Bennett from Norwich..

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        1. Jacketts Potatoes
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          Just gutted to take a hit so soon after WC

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  7. Acquafresca
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    @Parm.

    Coleman definitely out?

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    1. Jacketts Potatoes
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Apparently so mate

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    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Yes.

      Revised your odds on Mata joining Utd yet? 😀

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      1. Acquafresca
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Yep. Changed from "certainly won't happen" to " 😯 "

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        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          0% to 100% 😛

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      1. Acquafresca
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Anything on Silva yet?

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        1. Parm
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          Not yet, Pellegrini presser tomorrow I think.

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      2. GREENDREAMS11
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Lovely, my 7/2 Pool riot is looking safer by the minute

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  8. Shankly Gates
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Any critic of my WC team welcome...

    Mannone Boruc
    Kosc Cahill Gabbidon (Vlaar Bennett)
    Oscar Navas Lallana Mata (Puncheon)
    Suarez Aguero Sturridge

    comments ......

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  9. The Pep Revolution
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Anything seriously wrong with this team? Any suggestions welcome for improvements.

    Mannone Boruc
    Ward Demel Coleman Koscielny Bardsley
    Hazard Mata Cabaye Eriksen Ki
    Rodriguez Suárez Agüero

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    1. chrisjdgrady
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      I'd switch Demel to a Cry or Hull defender maybe?

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    2. Shankly Gates
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Demel. but ok as he will be on yr bench

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  10. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Team look ok for this GW?

    Mannone
    Coleman - Koscielny - Azpilicueta
    Hazard - Silva - Lallana - Cabaye
    Suarez - Aguero - Adebayor

    Bench: Boruc - Gabbidon - Parker - Chester

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    1. Shankly Gates
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      nice team play Gabb over Coleman this week
      Parker .. does he get fpl points?

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        he gets 2

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        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          And Coleman gets 0

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      2. Jimjam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks! Parker is there purely because he's cheap and guaranteed 90mins

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  11. King Kohli
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    Who is the best 3rd striker??

    Sturridge:
    + Plays for a very attacking team
    + Great understanding with the best striker in the league
    + Very selfish
    - Doubling up on Liv attack. 1 blank and it twice the pain
    - Merseyside derby & Arsenal in the next 3. not sure what to expect
    - Could share points with Suarez

    Ade:
    + Focal point of the team
    + Only out and out goalscorer in the team
    + On penalties
    + Eriksen in great form, so there could be goals to be had
    - 2 tricky games in the next 3
    - Blows very hot and cold

    Thoughts?

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    1. Parm
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      I'm punting on Benteke.

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      1. King Kohli
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Villa don't score enough for me to punt on him. These two are safe in a way that they will return points as they play for good sides.

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    2. Munsoned
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      C: Bony

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    3. Whazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Ade on penalties over Soldado?

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  12. Judas
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 3 months ago

    You have a frontline of Suarez, Sturridge and Aguero. With no other LIV/CITY players.

    Do you Captain Suarez or Aguero?

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    1. Connor's Calling
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Suarez for me

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    2. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      I have those plus Silva & Gerrard. Still captaining Suarez.

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    3. the_big_v
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Aguero may not get a full 90 mins. For that alone, I'd pick Suarez (well, actually I'm not going with Hazard this week but that has nothing to do with your question).

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      1. Shankly Gates
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        why won't aguero get 90?

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        1. Munsoned
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          Hi will.

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          1. GREENDREAMS11
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 3 months ago

            No guaranteed, Pellegrini didn't want him to play the 90 against Watford but had to in order to turn the game around. If city are winning by a couple he might get hauled off after 60/70 mins. Jovetic is also fit now so there are options

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  13. JT's Dog
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Ladies and gentlemen put your hands together and give it up for....... DGW

      So DGW how does it feel to be back?
      Well it's been a long time since I was here but I am hoping people still remember me.

      Oh I am sure they do, tell us do you expect this to be a quick visit?
      No,no, although my agent hasn't confirmed anything, I fully expect to have other dates coming up.

      Maybe even one soon?
      That is a possibility, but don't make plans based on it.

      So DGW have you had any indication of the response to your visit?
      Funny you should ask that, I have been on twitter and the response from those with WC has been crazy.

      Oh the old WCers, bet you they breathed a sigh of relief when you appeared?
      Yeah, I am sure the lack of snow had many worried, but now they seem to be in priority queue for tickets.

      What difference will your appearance made on here?
      Well it will certainly reduce the number of trolls and mod baiting. But alas I fear an influx of RMDGWT from now on.

      So one last question, any advice for people how to deal with this date?
      Myself I would plan for it in advance, I know the empty date before it is a problem but you can't not take advantage, and if you still have WC save it for my arena performance later on.

      Well DGW thanks for taking time to talk to us, next week on 5 min with JTD we have an exclusive interview with saurez/aguero (c)

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      1. Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgri…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        +1 foe the effort.

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    • Arsenal USA FC
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Which is best rotation?

      Adrian - Boruc

      Speroni - Marshall

      Mannone - Marshall

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      1. UnitednationsXI
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        also battling with gk rotations, view my concern below on the mannone/marshall combo

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      2. Shankly Gates
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        boruc mannone

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        1. UnitednationsXI
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          you will be playing boruc against ful, hul, whm all away whereas with the marshall mannone combo, you will be playing marshall NOR AVL HULL

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      3. LOCO ABREU
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Mannone/Adrian?

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        1. Arsenal USA FC
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          think i may go with Mannone Adrian

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    • AFC49
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Can anyone see Cabaye leaving Newcastle before the window shuts?

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Seems likely, Pardew hasn't come out and said anything reassuring about it. I'm thinking of ditching him for Eriksen to save myself a transfer next week but gonna wait to see if there's any news before the deadline.

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    • UnitednationsXI
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Looking at the Mannone/Marshall combo,

      - all great till gw28 where sland have a blank and cardiff plays spurs away
      - then in gw29, good chance that cardiff will have a blank and even if sland play, they are at anfield

      SO, better to consider other options?

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      1. LOCO ABREU
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        mannone/adrian

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    • Plagued by indecision
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      RMWCT por favor...

      Boruc / Adrian
      Koscielny / Cahill / Ward / Vlaar / Bruce
      Hazard / Mata / Cabaye* / AJohnson / Noone
      Aguero / Suarez / Rodriguez

      Concerned about Cabaye's likely move away and a pretty hopeless 5th defensive spot. 0.9m in the bank. Any thoughts?

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      1. t4thomas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Hazard --> Oscar and Cabaye --> Silva?

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    • t4thomas
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      I know you are all sick of these, but just think - it's almost the end of January and nobody posting RMWCT posts has a proper WC left!

      Please RMWCT:

      boruc, kelvin davis
      koscielny, debuchy, shaw, demel, bardsley
      hazard, yaya touré, mata, puncheon, noone
      suárez, agüero, giroud

      ITB: 0.1

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        ward or bruce in for demel

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        1. t4thomas
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          Why?

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          1. chrisjdgrady
            • 10 Years
            10 years, 3 months ago

            west ham are crap and they are cheaper and are looking good for clean sheets at home at least

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    • buffrey
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Question:-

      Ngog is surely not going to impact Bony game time over next 5 is he?

      Michu may, granted, but not Bony. Maybe the odd 10/20 mins at ends of game but that's it?

      Thoughts appreciated

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      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Many goals are scored with 20 mins left 🙂

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      2. Herman Toothrot
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Bony is their best player. Ngog may play Europa games.

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    • andres
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Will the new signings for cardiff affect noone?

      Who else for 5th mid?

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        ya im worried about this.

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      2. Hampe
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Need more info in this as well. Anyone holding the aces?

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    • Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      I'm sure this will become a topic in the coming weeks. So... Rooney or RVP?

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      1. Margarido
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Mata if you have Aguero and Suarez.

        Rooney if you have Yaya, Ozil, Hazard.

        RVP if you are way behind…(you are not!)

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          You still believe in the Coverage Fairy, don't you? I won't spoil it 🙂

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          1. Margarido
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 3 months ago

            It´s more about cash to spend…

            I have:

            Szsc - McGreg

            Terry, Bardsley, Rat, Turner, Ward

            Hazard, Ozil, Navas, Cabaye, Whitts

            Aguero Suarez Adebayor

            0.0m ITB

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      2. Bubz
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        RvP is just too expensive still. So Rooney.

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          But he'll be the focal point of the United attack, supplied by Rooney and Mata. He could be devastating.

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          1. Bubz
            • 10 Years
            10 years, 3 months ago

            Hmmm... yeah that is quite a terrifying prospect. Well I'm not gonna start thinking about it until he is fully fit and showing signs of form. Could come down to Mata&Rooney vs Januzaj&RvP. Who will score more? That is a tough call.

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      3. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        RvP could become the über differential.

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      4. CABAYE4
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Fairly sure I won't be able to afford either unless Aguero gets injured again.

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    • Colonel Klink
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Anyone with Soton attack putting in Arsenal defense?

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      1. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        i have Kos and JRod. Probably playing both I guess

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        1. Colonel Klink
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          If I had those two, I'd do the same. Thanks.

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      2. leo_messi
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        lallana,rodriguez on my bench....

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        1. Colonel Klink
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          So your faith is in the D. I have Kos, Sagna, Lallana and Rod. F'ing conundrum.

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          1. leo_messi
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 3 months ago

            I play 4-4-2 with Koscielny....

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            1. Colonel Klink
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              10 years, 3 months ago

              I have Terry Bardsley and Ward at home. Might play Kos in a 4-4-2, hedge bets. Or take out Bardsley, as I have Mannone in goal and Stoke could def nick one.

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              1. leo_messi
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 3 months ago

                almost same here...Koscielny,Ward,AZpi and Evans for me and Mannone in goal...

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      3. Reedy
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        I have Fonte & Clyne. I don't want to let either go, but may have to drop Clyne if he isn't getting the minutes. Not interested in Ars defence personally, probably can't afford them anyway TBH.

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        1. Reedy
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          Sorry I read that as Soton defence. Please disregard (I'm doing this a lot lately. Might need glasses).

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          1. Colonel Klink
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            10 years, 3 months ago

            No problem. Poch might be dropping Clyne for you this match...
            Fonte's a keeper.

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            1. Reedy
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 3 months ago

              Cheers HM!

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    • Shankly Gates
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Repost ... no replies ...

      Any critic of my WC team welcome...

      Mannone Boruc
      Kosc Cahill Gabbidon (Vlaar Bennett)
      Oscar Navas Lallana Mata (Puncheon)
      Suarez Aguero Sturridge

      comments ......

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    • RamaJama
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      If Cabaye doesn't start, sell for
      A) Lallana
      B) Eriksen
      C) other mid max 7.7

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      1. Shankly Gates
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Lallana

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      2. Messiah Hazard
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Willian

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    • Pringle
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      A. Cabaye + Baines
      B. Cazorla + Evans
      C. Silva + Evans

      ??

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      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        A if Cabaye starts..

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      2. Woy of the Wovers
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        A, tentatively.

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    • Woy of the Wovers
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Two cheap mids needed to complete WC line-up. Currently on Sterling and Ki. Any better suggestions?

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      1. JFHasselbaink
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Puncheon & Noone

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        1. Woy of the Wovers
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 3 months ago

          Bit nervous for Noone's gametime.

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      2. pieces
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Puncheon, Poz,

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      3. chrisjdgrady
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Puncheon

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      4. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Puncheon and Zaha have terrific rotation. Line 'em up on the members ticker.

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      5. Woy of the Wovers
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        You're all pushing me towards Puncheon. Ki leaves me an outfield missing 4 players in GW28. Any chance that Sun v WBA is brought forward?

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    • Acquafresca
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Mata rising tonight 😯 😯 😯

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      1. Sleep Talk
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        I know!

        What to do with Silva?

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      2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        😯

        getting him in my wc tonight and then deciding whether I am going to keep him

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      3. pieces
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Seamus Coleman gooooinng down 😯

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    • Atwood
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Any thoughts on this wildcard team?

      Mannone
      Koscielny -- Kolarov -- Gabbidon
      Mata -- Hazard -- Ramsey -- Januzaj
      Aguero -- Giroud -- Suarez

      Davis -- Whittingham -- Bruce -- Coleman

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      1. Atwood
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        Sorry, that should be Noone on the bench, not Whittingham.

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    • Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      OGS gives a terrible interview. I'm tired by the time he finishes 😐

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    • Hampe
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 3 months ago

      Noone and 0.9 in bank or Puncheon with less in bank?

      Cardiff has nice fix but I am afraid of the rotation.

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      1. Shankly Gates
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 3 months ago

        but punch will play ... Noone's spot is up for rotation it seems

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