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The Dugout Discussion – Tottenham v Sunderland

Saturday’s curtain-raiser finds Tottenham Hotspur and Sunderland colliding at White Hart Lane in the wake of contrasting results earlier in the week. Spurs will be keen to make amends for a 1-0 home defeat at the hands of Leicester City, while the Black Cats travel to north London in jubilant spirits following their 4-2 victory over Swansea City.

In spite of their blank on Wednesday, Tottenham rank third for attempts (65) and shots on target (22) over the last four Gameweeks. However, Mauricio Pochettino’s outfit have struggled to convert their territorial dominance into clear-cut opportunities, carding just four big chances across that stretch. On the defensive end, only two clubs conceded fewer goals than Spurs (three), who also surrendered the fewest big chances (one).

Only Stoke City managed more goals (10 compared to eight) and a better shot-conversion rate (22.2% to 20.5%) than Sunderland over the last four Gameweeks, underlining their recent flourish in the final third. Nonetheless, the Wearsiders’ rearguard failed to hold up their end of the bargain, shipping the joint-most goals (eight). Those Fantasy managers who’ve sourced attacking coverage from Spurs will be encouraged by the fact that Sunderland place top for goals conceded (30) in away fixtures.

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  1. ktk_interista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    100% assist. What OG? Shot on target in the middle of the empty net. Cattermole's knee might as well be not there. It makes no difference.

    1. ktk_interista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      not be there*

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      People grasping at straws

    3. Whats the Huth
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      But he was there.....

    4. Zombie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Lol..he could have cleared it easily or it could have been a blocked shot easily

      #NonOwner

      1. Sánchez
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        But thats like saying we award points based on what should have or could have happened instead of what did happen

        1. Zombie
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Yes

  2. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    love the fact that I have held on to PVA for this long in the Sky game, getting the rewards now

    1. Lovren an elevator
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Same here! I got him at the start of the season cos this website recommended him! Then just as I was ready to ship him out....

  3. Whats the Huth
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    I'm not a Kane owner. But I've just the goal.

    It looks like a own goal. Who knows.

    1. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Still drunk?

    2. ktk_interista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      100% Eriksen goal. Get over it.

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I've just the goal too.

  4. TheBusDriver
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Alli sucks. Should've benched him. I've only play him away from now on.

  5. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Those who think it's an OG are clearly trolls

    1. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Or are unfamiliar with the rules

      1. ktk_interista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        This. Its not an OG in reality let alone FPL-wise

    2. Jazz!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      More like non Kane owners

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Fools*

    4. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Some are doing it for a laugh, others generally don't know the rules.

      1. Costa in Wengerland
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        This

      2. Sif
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        This. Trolls and idiots (sometimes both).

      3. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Most fall into the latter category

      4. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        How dare you.

  6. Hybrid.power
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    It wouldn't be a proper gameweek if there wasn't an assist controversy. I say it's a Rooney assist.

    1. Costa in Wengerland
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Thats not possible , Rooney plays for United

      1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        some people, eh?
        Barry assist

        1. Costa in Wengerland
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Impossible , Barry plays for Everton and Before that for City
          no Connection

  7. For Fuchs Sake
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    If a goal keeper pushes the ball into the roof of the net trying to save from a header for example, then it's not an own goal. No different in this case, he tried to save it, failed, Erikssen's goal!

    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Perfect example

      1. For Fuchs Sake
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks!

  8. Lovren an elevator
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    One seriously stunned PvA and Eriksen owner here!

    1. Zombie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Link your team or didn't happen

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Huh?

  9. OPTA FPL
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    It is an OG, Cattermole clear the ball but it tought the bar by accident

    1. Costa in Wengerland
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Was it Shot om target ?

    2. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      In the premier league if a shot is on target then the goal is awarded to the player who took the shot

    3. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      *sighs*

  10. Numb
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Nearly every goal seems to be the subject of a assist debate or possible own goal on here lately.

    1. Jazz!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Just a debate between owners and non owners 😀

      1. Numb
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah

    2. Costa in Wengerland
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      So u want to say , there should be No assist points ? 😉

  11. Gazpilicueta
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    any news on KDB?

    I played my AOA, and it may be a waste if he doesnt play.

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      No.

    2. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Rubbish chip anyway

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        true but i want to try and get something out of it

    3. VS10_
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Just wait 20 mins.

    4. OPTA FPL
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He will come off the bench if wonder start

    5. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I played it also and have KDB, agree it a useless chip but the fixtures were on my side this week

  12. BigManBakar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Where are the rumors of KdB being benched coming from?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Some people predicting it on a Man City site.

    2. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Non owners

  13. Malcolm Tucker for England …
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    blatant own goal with Barry assist

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      blargh

    2. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      LOOOOOL

  14. Rolls-Royce
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    I want Lukaku to go berserk today.

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      absolutely mental

    2. Declan
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      and get sent off

    3. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      against his parent club 😀

  15. FAITHNOMORENO
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    what a stupid debate.

    1. twoplustwo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Haha correct

  16. Messiah Hazard
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    PVA becoming an attacking asset now

    1. Boydinho
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      always

  17. Obi-1 Kenobi-0
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    I'm a Kane owner and captainer, but that should 100% go down as an own goal. Unfortunately, there's a big difference between a shot on target + deflection, and a shot on target + failed clearance.

    1. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      In terms of awarded goals, there is no difference. The only thing that matters was if the shot was on target.

      1. Royal5
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        This. And this has been the rules for as long as I can remember. Absurd that this discussion comes up every GW.

      2. Obi-1 Kenobi-0
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        So, by that logic, you wouldn't say this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuG37dtCPI is an own goal?

  18. Tadic is the new Eriksen
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Kaaaannnneeeeeeeeeeee assist =}

  19. Jedjohnson
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    How is that a kane assist????

    The keeper clearly deflected his cross, changing the intended destination of the ball

    Shd be eriksen goal no assist

    1. Venom Snake
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Cross? Lol

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        This 😀

    2. RubeRx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      its considered a 'fantasy' assist

      read the rules

      1. Granville
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        No it isn't, it's considered an OPTA assist if a shot was intended.

        1. RubeRx
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          No its not

          I play on multiple platforms who use OPTA and only FPL has given them an assist

          Nice try tho Granville

          1. Murph1
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Its an assist on Sky, who claim to use OPTA...

            1. RubeRx
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Obviously OPTA awards them but not all platforms actually credit them

              http://optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions.aspx

              There is difference between a real assist and a fantasy assist

          2. Jedjohnson
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            So do I and all of them hive them assists. Nice try

            1. RubeRx
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              yes if they credit 'fantasy assists' but most dont

          3. Hibbo
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Stop talking mince.

          4. Granville
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            What do you mean, nice try. I know the rules mate.

            1. RubeRx
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Fantasy Goal Assist

              From Summer 2013, Opta have started to collect a range of other assists used by fantasy football, but also available to clients to determine their own definition should they wish

              Heavily deflected pass
              Shot on target saved, rebound scored
              Shot blocked rebound scored
              Shot hit woodwork rebound scored
              Penalty won
              Free kick won by foul
              Free kick instigated by forced handball
              Instigating own goal through shot/pass

              - See more at: http://optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions.aspx#sthash.qxDCItsu.dpuf

              1. Granville
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 15 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Do you think I don't know this? If OPTA give an assist in the main stats, then so do FPL.

                1. RubeRx
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Great I'm not arguing that

                  I was trying to explain to the original poster there is clear distinction between a real assist and a fantasy assist

                  1. RubeRx
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    but for FPL purposes its all the same

                  2. Granville
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 15 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    Yes there are fantasy assists but those are added on top. This was determined an OPTA assist. Sometimes it's quite random because they're second guessing the intention.

        2. Eskimooo
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          No it's not Granville you big baby

      2. OPTA FPL
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        If that was a cross which rebound, kane wont get assist

    3. Forza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      If it's a short on target, intended destination is irrelevant.

    4. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Cross? Hahaha

  20. HVT
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    When do the points normally get removed in Fpl?

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      normally they dont

    2. Mr Arsenal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      When you've captained that player

    3. Tadic is the new Eriksen
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      What are you on about? Clear nailed on assist

      1. HVT
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Only a matter of time really.

    4. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      They don't anymore

  21. The Raging Bull
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    A goal from Kane now and 3 baps in the pocket.

    1. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      This. 24pt captain incoming

  22. AK ⭐
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    So Arnautovic doesn't get the assist for the one of the goals against Everton, but Kane gets it for this?

    What a joke.

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      lucky you never owned Deulefeu, that guy had 100 assists not given.

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Assists have always been a bit of a joke in FPL

    3. Swan - Villa Proud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Not English = No FPL points. Same with Deulofeu done weeks ago 🙂

    4. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      was a cross...

  23. John Obi Wan Mikel
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Line ups out at two o'clock aye?

    1. Zombie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      aye

    2. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      1 hour before games.

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Radical

  24. Swan - Villa Proud
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Non Kane Owner = OWN GOAL Erikssen assist
    Kane Ownet non captain = Fair Result
    Kane Captainer = It was a double deflection off Erik and Lee. Should be a Kanre Gosl

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      lol

    2. KOLASINA(C)
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Gosling, yeah.

  25. Hibbo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Two burgers, a cup of tea and the second half.

    A few more OGs would really top off the early kick off.

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Two burgers? sounds good to me....

    2. John Nerdelbaum
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      maccy d's?

      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Home made.

  26. Numb
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    If Kolarov was given as an own goal......

    No consistency

    1. Trae44
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Had the Sunderland player not been there it still would have went in, in Kolarov's case if he hadn't been and got a touch then it wouldn't have found the back of the net, that's the difference

  27. Dušan Citizen
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Fell asleep, missed deadline, left Ozil on the bench.

    Possible Austin's FPL price?

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Blessing in discize

    2. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      7.8

    3. Declan
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      7m

    4. Dušan Citizen
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He may be my Vardy's replacement.

  28. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    I swear Toby never delivers for me. Only when on bench or don't own him.

    On the other hand anyone considering A.J. the r*pist? Looks good bet and is on a streak. We all know that you have to have him when he is one

    1. Tadic is the new Eriksen
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Wow

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        standard Daniel

    2. ZLNR
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He definitely isn't that^!

      Innocent until proven guilty in our system, nobody not involved in the case should even know about it

    3. Forza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Johnson hasn't been convicted of anything, you idiot.

    4. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      need a Sunderland DGW before we even consider Adam Johnson

    5. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      You're genuinely one of the worst posters on here.

  29. Bazzalona
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Haven't seen it but these goal queries are odd.
    No consistency.....saw the pva goal v swansea the other day, great goal but it was going wide.
    In theory that was an og.
    who knows what the powers that be will decide

  30. Eskimooo
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    It's not an own goal but the assist system is pathetic , that should in no way be counted as an assist it was anything but ...

    1. goodday there mate
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      agreed .. that makes no f sense.