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The Technical Area – Firmino’s Opening Gameweeks

Heading into the 2017/18 season, the Fantasy Premier League reclassification of Roberto Firmino from midfielder to forward was a source of much chatter.

Three Gameweeks in and Firmino has made fools of those of us who shied away.

The Brazilian sits joint-top in the overall standings on 26 points, having notched two goals, a pair assists, and twice taken home a maximum bonus points haul. Indeed, only Manchester United’s Henrikh Mkhitaryan (106) leads Firmino (101) in the Bonus Points System (BPS) to date.

Over this international break, interest in the Liverpool man has been understandably high. He has experienced one price hike already (from 8.5 to 8.6), and could possibly rise again between now and the Gameweek 4 deadline.

With Liverpool in rampant form – as evidenced by last week’s 4-0 demolition of Arsenal – Firmino offers managers an opportunity to save valuable funds by downgrading a premium forward option to a lower-priced alternative who has hitherto managed to outperform his more expensive rivals.

Here in the Technical Area, we thought that this week represented a good opportunity to dig into Firmino’s game in greater depth.

Specifically, we will be exploring how his profile compares to that of other FPL forwards and whether that early-season form can continue as the campaign unfolds.

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  1. Corona Macallan
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    If u had to keep one of Luka or Kane in ur team who would it be

    1. MTPockets
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Lukaku

      • Rainer
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Kane.

      • thepeen555
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Kaku

      • Revival
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Lukaku...double up on Utd attack when the going is good

      • Fantasy Gold
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Harry

      • Syd.
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Kane will come good

        1. Dr Dream
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Aye. But that's not the same as Lukaku will go bad.

        2. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I'm sure nobody doubts he will but you can't always have both

      • Eton Rifles
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Harry, he's a goalscoring machine.

      • Cojiro
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Lukaku but I'm keeping both

      • Business Cat
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        It's Lukaku all the way at the minute.

        Alli looks to be the Spurs player of choice...not Kane.

        Kane's awful tonight. Alli's by far England's best player.

        1. The Big Fella
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          This^ plus Alli is banned from the CL so will be fresher for the Premier League

    2. Cojiro
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Don't want to wildcard. Your thoughts/ priorities pls. 1FT 1.0 ITB

      Foster
      Clark/ Stephens/ Mee
      KDB/ Pogba/ Willian/ Mooy
      Lukaku/ Kane/ Gabbi

      Eliott// Carrol/ Danilo/ Ake

      1. Bury94
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'd take out KDB for Alli/Eriksen/Salah/Mane. Whichever one of those you prefer

        1. Cojiro
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I was thinking of waiting 1 more week as I want salah but don't fancy them away to city

          1. Bury94
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Liverpool can score against anyone, they usually do better against top 6 teams

            1. Cojiro
              • 9 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              You're not wrong

      2. MTPockets
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Danilo/KDB

          1. Cojiro
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Tempted by Danilo> Davies

      3. Pigeon
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Could anyone tell me who got the lowest score in a gameweek in FPL history? First one that comes to mind is Walters lol

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Think a Wigan defender got -6

          1. Miguel Sanchez
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Gary Caldwell got sent off when Chelsea scored 8 to win the title

        2. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          That guy who TC Cahill gameweek 1 maybe

          1. Pigeon
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Sorry, I meant an actual player

      4. Kuqi Monster
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        7/10 of the hot topics are jonty's, is this really what scout intended for this feature of the site?

        I understood that it was to flag posts by the community to encourage longer and more in-depth discussion?

        Not knocking any of current hot topics, genuine questions.

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          International break = RMWCT.

          1. Business Cat
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Got any grapes? 😉

            1. Fantasy Gold
              • 10 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Waddle waddle, and then he waddled away

            2. Lawrø
              • 12 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              A duck walked up to a lemonade stand... 😉

          2. Kuqi Monster
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            International break = perfect time for decent discussion

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 15 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Got any examples during this break?

              1. Kuqi Monster
                • 13 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Yep plenty, shall I direct them to jonty's?

                1. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 15 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Did you flag any?

        2. Fantasy Gold
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Jonty's hot topics do generate some decent discussions on here.

          Its a sea of gravless RMWCTs atm so I welcome them

          1. Gnu
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Only because the current feckless couldn't start a decent conversation if their life depended on it.
            *sighs, logs off*

          2. Epic Fail
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Of course they generate discussions. They are hot topics. If this is made in to a hot topic it will also generate discussion.

            1. Fantasy Gold
              • 10 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Well yeah, obviously.

              But if somebody bothered posting something decent and worthwhile and it got flagged then I'm sure it would become a hot topic.

              Not much quality around atm is there

        3. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          If anyone sees something interesting that could be hot topiced do flag it.

          If you don't see something then have a think about the current issues facing fantasy managers and post something about that to generate a discussion.

          Also use your vote wisely. Every morning I go through the overnight posts in search of popular and interesting topics - via the rating search.

        1. Pigeon
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I love their twitter haha

      5. jm2126
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Current Team:

        DDG | Elliot
        Bertrand Dawson Danilo | Mee Long
        Salah Eriksen Willian Mooy | Carroll
        Kane Lukaku Rodriguez

        Thinking of Willian and Danilo ------> Mkitaryan and Clark due to both Willian and Danilo rotation risk

        Any other suggestions of who to transfer them to?

        1. Bury94
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Possibly Naughton instead of Clark

          1. jm2126
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I originally thought naughton but he will be rotating with Mee so I need a 4.5 with a good first 3 fixtures which is newcastle

      6. Scotty B
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Fabianski
        Cedric Mee Jones Alonso
        Salah Pogba Eriksen
        Morata Lukaku Firmino

        Elliot Carroll Chalobah Mbemba

        WC team good to go?

        1. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yes

      7. thepeen555
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Bring on Defoe he will get England a goal

      8. Rainer
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Did the Ox come with a receipt?

        1. Business Cat
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Came free with the box of cereal

        2. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Lol nope no take backs

        3. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          How funny would that be a full refund within 14 days of purchase

        4. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Was thinking the same about Joe Hart 🙂

          1. Rainer
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            When buying Joe Hart you have to tick a box to acknowledge you're buying faulty goods.

        5. Fantasy Gold
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Nah non-refundable.

          Wenger is still laughing now

      9. Harper (No more Penandes)
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Valencia to Alonso, KDB to Mkhi -4?

        Already have Pogba and Lukaku but might upgrade Lukaku to Kane the following gameweek.

        1. AllanM
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Not a worth a hit

      10. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Hart made a save 😯

        1. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I'm in shock

        2. Business Cat
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Essential 😎

        3. Fantasy Gold
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Woah

        4. LǝgleSs e|even
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Cmon Hart, Make City Great Again!

      11. bojack
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Lovely attacking move from Slovakia.

      12. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Fabulous move by Slovakia. Deserved a goal.

      13. The Big Fella
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Is having both Firmino and Salah too much Liverpool?

        1. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah

        2. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Absolutely not..but be weary of rotation this week, Firmino coming back from Brazil and Champions league midweek

          1. The Big Fella
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Good points. I was thinking of getting both this week and then swapping Salah out for Sigurdsson when Everton's fixtures get better in 2-3 GW

      14. EL_FENOMENO
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        3-4-3
        a) Foster
        Kola Cedric Jones
        Alli Salah Pogba Brady
        FIrmino Morata Lukaku

        Elliot Naughton Mbemba TC

        4-4-2
        b) Foster
        Kola Cedric Jones Naughton
        Hazard Salah Pogba Brady
        Kane Lukaku

      15. Eton Rifles
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Harry Rashford scores

      16. thepeen555
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Good goal rashford

      17. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Rashford winner

      18. Miguel Sanchez
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Rashford goal

      19. Fantasy Gold
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Wow. Marcus Rashfords 7,000th greedy potshot flies into the net.

        Law of averages...

        1. laplana
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          He could retire without every scoring again and the English media will claim he's word class.

        2. Bob.
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          A bit of quality that England need

          1. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Please take Kane off and bring on Vardy.....the game is screeming out for him and Kane looks anxious

      20. laplana
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Cracking from Rashford, such an enjoyable player, quality.

        1. Gnu
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Ok, that might be actually funny. 😉

          1. laplana
            • 6 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            😆

      21. Syd.
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Marcus

      22. FPL ZB
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Rashford has a goal, an assist, a minus goal, all sorts

        1. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Essential

      23. FPL ZB
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        He's still just a younger Raheem Sterling

      24. bojack
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I think I was probably spoiled with the teams of '90, '96 - '98, and '02 - '04.

        Should just be glad we usually qualify.

        1. Harper (No more Penandes)
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          We have plenty of good players. It's just the overall quality at international level has increased and we haven't adapted.

          1. Gnu
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            You DON'T have plenty of good players.
            Until you recognise this then you won't be able to deal with the problem.

            1. Gnu
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Actually, what you need more than anything else is a quality, free thinking coach/manager.
              That would be the start of Englands recovery but I honestly can't think one of one (English)

              1. Lawrø
                • 12 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                I'd go for Brendan Rodgers (yes, I know he's not English)

              2. Harper (No more Penandes)
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Exactly. You can change the manager and you can change the tactics and the style of play but you only have a certain number of players to work with. We can't just wait and hope that the next English Messi comes along weve got to work it out now and createn a team that is very well rounded and competitive.

            2. bojack
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              This.

              Not a single one of these players, as much as I like Rashford, Kane, Alli etc., would have made the '96 team. They'd probably have struggled to make the '98 team too.

              1. Business Cat
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                I don't know...Darren Anderton wasn't amazing 🙂

                1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  you writing that pulled his hamstring

                2. Business Cat
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  David Batty in '98 was far from great.

                  1. bojack
                    • 7 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    "Will he score, Kevin?"

                    "Yes"

                    "And he's missed"

                3. bojack
                  • 7 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  😆

              2. fedolefan
                • 10 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                The three you've mentioned are all under 24 though.

                1. bojack
                  • 7 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  I think this is part of it - lack of experience and often leadership is an issue for me.

                  Where's the Adams, Shearer, or Beckham like character.

                  Defensively as well, Cahill often looks poor for England. He's hardly Ferdinand, Campbell etc.

                  1. Business Cat
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    ...we're still waiting for Henderson to turn into the new Stevie G...but he never will.

                  2. fedolefan
                    • 10 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    I think football's changed though. With the salaries these guys make, and the over emphasis on the league titles, a loss in a WC is just a stumble and a bounce back in the league is apparently enough. No one seems to take losses personally enough at the international level.

            3. Bob.
              • 14 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Yeah the only real quality players in the team are Rashford, Ali and Kane. Maybe Sterling too.

            4. Harper (No more Penandes)
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              I disagree. Most international teams would love to have the kind of player pool that we have. He problem is tactics, we are too slow on the ball and never ruthless enough, something which the past green managers have not tried to address.

              1. Gnu
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                and there in lies your problem, you can't or refuse to see the problem.

                1. Harper (No more Penandes)
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Well it's not my problem, it's the managers and he can only work with what's he's got. Which is why I keep saying that tactics are what's at fault and why we are always so fricking slow when we play.

                  1. Hibbo
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    That pool of current English players is brutally shite.

                    1. Harper (No more Penandes)
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 8 Years
                      6 years, 9 months ago

                      Nah. I just think it's the results and the way we play that convince people that they're shite when they are actually very decent.

                    2. fedolefan
                      • 10 Years
                      6 years, 9 months ago

                      Compared to previous generations, yes. But are any of the current national teams actually that great? Germany, France, Brazil, Argentina, Portugal are all good, but can be turned over on any given day I think. I mean, what Germany did to Brazil was unfathomable in any era.

        2. Business Cat
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          We always seem to do well at U21 etc...but the senior team is perpetually gash.

          The conveyor belt doesn't work.

        3. Hibbo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Weren't we all.

          Give me Roy Keane, Paul McGrath and John Aldridge.

          1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            i grew up with Southall, Ratcliffe, Speed, Hughes, Rush et al.
            How we never reached anything is a travesty!

            1. Hibbo
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Good players all the same! Saw Speed in Alicante airport a few years before be died.

              I've just depressed myself.

              Duff and Robbie Keane. 🙁

          2. bojack
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            That win against Italy in '94.

            1. Hibbo
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Glory days.

              I was in my PJs I was allowed to stay up late for the game. 😆

              Football was football then.

              1. bojack
                • 7 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Magic!

                I remember proudly announcing to my dad I'd be supporting Ireland. He didn't really react. 😆

              2. Business Cat
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                That Diana Ross penalty kick was epic!

          3. Gnu
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Souness, Dalglish, Cooper, Hansen, Robertson.... the list goes on and all from the same era and team so no Bremner, Law, Baxter, Johnstone, Henderson.
            Happy days never to be repeated.,

            1. Hibbo
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              That's some list of players!

      25. thepeen555
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        How long till Kane subbed off? I say 72 min mark

        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Full 90

      26. nkhoughton
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Best midfielder 9.3 or less, I own Pogba and Salah already

        1. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          The ox

        2. FPL ZB
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          eric dier

        3. ryacoo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Mkhi

        4. Business Cat
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Mkhi, David Silva.

          Maybe Coutinho if he comes back and slots right in.

          Maybe even Mahrez now he's staying.

        5. RAFA THE GAFFA
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Mhiki. Coutinho in few weeks probably

      27. The Overthinker
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Cannot see the rashford haters now? Where have you all gone ?

        1 goal and 1 assist 🙂

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Can't be counting assists for the opposition.

        2. KingNidge
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          His assist for Kane in the last game was sublime too

          No one claiming the kid is a world beater or anything he's still raw but he sure deserves his starting position in this England team

      28. bojack
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I love to watch Vardy, surely time for him soon against tired legs and a team which needs a goal.

        1. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          *Welbeck

        2. Rainer
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          The Kane kid needs to come off too, he's out of his depth at this level.

      29. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Just seen Super Sunday is Burnley - Palace then Swansea - Newcastle! I'm a toon fan but must admit that is the worst!! 😆

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I have 3 in those games. Potentially 4.

          1. RAFA THE GAFFA
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Probably both be 0-0 mate

        2. thepeen555
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Gotta give there time to all matches lol

          1. RAFA THE GAFFA
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            We're always on to be fair! A lot more than most

        3. Rainer
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Seeing Mee score will justify it being called Super Sunday!