Scout Notes

‘Form versus fixtures’ poser for Son and Kane’s owners after late Spurs win

WEST BROMWICH ALBION 0-1 TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR

  • Goals: Harry Kane (£11.0m)
  • Assists: Matt Doherty (£5.8m)
  • Bonus: Kane, Doherty x3, Sergio Reguilon (£5.6m) x1

Harry Kane’s (£11.0m) owners will remember his late header that briefly sent Tottenham Hotspur top of the table but it was an otherwise forgettable match at the Hawthorns that had looked destined for 0-0 mediocrity.

Spurs were unconvincing in this Sunday lunchtime clash – a combination of tiredness from their midweek Europa League trip to Bulgaria and a resilient West Brom who were unlucky to have a point cruelly snatched away.

Reflecting on the game, Jose Mourinho said:

It was one of those matches with all the ingredients to lose a couple of points – difficult opponents, they want to stop you, they analyse you, they see where you are strong, they try to close every possible door, and they did it.

Kane was quiet but all he needed was an 88th-minute cross by Matt Doherty (£5.8m), rising to head the Irishman’s delivery home.

That was the England striker’s eighth goal from as many matches against the Baggies and his 150th Premier League strike overall, maintaining Spurs’ 100% away record.

KANE IS ABLE

Over two million FPL managers captained Kane this week, no doubt expecting another haul after Spurs’ previous three away wins produced a combined 12-3 score. But things were much tougher here against a side fighting to escape the relegation zone.

For all the comments about Kane essentially playing as a midfielder, he still provides the goals to go alongside his new-found creativity. The two assists of last season have already been eclipsed by eight this time and he entered the weekend with a number of chances created (14) and big chances created (9) far higher than the next best from a forward.

Similar to how Roberto Firmino (£9.2m) acts like a false nine for Mohamed Salah (£12.4m) and Sadio Mane (£12.0m) to play as two forwards, Kane was seemingly sitting deep for a Son Heung-min (£9.6m) and Gareth Bale (£9.5m) strike force. Yet it is the England captain who takes home the points, while Son disappointed many by not continuing his streak of double-digit away hauls.

SON STOPS SHINING

Clearly, it isn’t maintainable to get 24, 18 or 11 points every time but Son missed a huge chance in the first half. Put through by Tanguy Ndombele (£5.9m), Son seemed hesitant to pull the trigger as West Brom defenders sprinted back to catch up. He eventually dug out a shot but it missed.

A second successive blank will concern his 60% ownership, especially considering the fixture swing that now awaits Jose Mourinho’s side.

Their first six games after the international break include meetings with Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Leicester City. In a classic FPL debate about form versus fixtures, what will the many who have doubled up on both Kane and Son do about this difficult run? Particularly when premium assets at Manchester City and Manchester United are about to begin a kind run.

Neither player is at fault, as they sit atop the FPL game as highest scorers so far. They have accumulated 15 goals and 10 assists between them from only eight matches – truly phenomenal numbers. In a crazy season which has produced huge shocks, great comebacks, many goals and little sense, perhaps it is too logical to assume that Kevin De Bruyne (£11.5m), Bruno Fernandes (£10.5m) or Raheem Sterling (£11.5m) are the way forward.

The team news was headlined by Bale starting his first league match since returning to Spurs on loan from Real Madrid. Against Brighton, he came off the bench to score a late winner – such drama is becoming a habit in recent weeks, replacing the heavy wins of before – and was deemed ready to form a fearsome front three alongside Kane and Son. In truth, he was ineffective, almost reaching a cross early in the second half but producing nothing else.

REGUILON CONTINUES TO ATTACK

Only left-back Sergio Reguilon (£5.6m) was providing any attacking threat as the match dragged on. Long-range shots in the 59th minute were saved and then blazed over, with a later effort being blocked into the path of Giovani Lo Celso (£6.9m). Had the substitute scored, it would have been Reguilon’s third assist from five league appearances.

In addition to a clean sheet, Reguilon certainly passed the eye test – crossing for Carlos Vinicius’ (£7.0m) low left-footed shot that produced a wonderful save from Sam Johnstone (£4.5m). And yet it was Doherty on the other flank who provided Kane’s assist.

The £15m signing from Wolves was initially heavily-backed by the FPL community but has gradually been abandoned, dropping twice in price because he had registered no attacking returns and was rotated twice with Serge Aurier (£5.2m).

WINLESS BAGGIES

In his programme notes, the under-pressure Slaven Bilic demanded that his players be “more streetwise, more mature and dirty in the game”. He got what he asked for, with West Brom arguably the better side for most of the match.

The Baggies boss said after full-time:

My message to the players was that this has to be our standard now. We have to perform like this in every minute of every game as a minimum. It’s really difficult to take confidence from a defeat because the best way to get confidence is to win games and climb up the league. But you can also get confidence from performances and today was an example of that.

Bilic was forced into making changes to his side after Matheus Pereira (£5.9m) and Branislav Ivanovic (£4.5m) tested positive for coronavirus. He used this opportunity to switch systems, going for a 5-4-1 wing-back formation with the returning Kyle Bartley (£4.5m) and Dara O’Shea (£4.3m) featuring at centre-half.

Karlan Grant (£5.9m) somehow missed a free header from six yards after a brilliant Darnell Furlong (£4.5m) cross, before a teasing Callum Robinson (£5.5m) delivery dropped over Hugo Lloris (£5.5m) and was headed off the line by Eric Dier (£4.9m). The second half saw Conor Gallagher (£5.5m) hit the post from distance and Furlong’s header force an acrobatic save from Lloris.

However, they are still without a win. Apart from back-up goalkeeper David Button (£4.0m), no West Brom player has ownership above 2%. Their players are relatively untouched but, if looking for a differential, it might be worth considering that their next home games are against Sheffield United, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa and Leeds.

The Baggies have been better at the back of late than they have going forward and Johnstone is one of the cheapest starting goalkeepers out there, sitting third for saves among top-flight shot-stoppers.

Given Aston Villa’s favourable schedule, Emiliano Martinez (£4.8m) will, however, remain the go-to option for many.


West Bromwich Albion XI (5-4-1): Johnstone; Furlong, Bartley, Ajayi, O’Shea, Townsend; Krovinovic, Livermore (Edwards 89′), Gallagher, Robinson (Diangana 67′); Grant (Phillips 84′).

Tottenham Hotspur XI (4-3-3): Lloris; Doherty, Alderweireld, Dier, Reguilon; Hojbjerg, Ndombele (Lo Celso 64′), Sissoko (Carlos Vinicius 79′); Bale (Lucas Moura 78′), Son, Kane.

Lessons Learned from FPL Gameweek 8

FPLMarc Newcastle fan that spends far too much time thinking about FPL.

1,357 Comments Post a Comment
  1. AnfieldLad
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Can’t decide whether to go early with my transfers (TAA Podence -> Cancelo Grealish)

    Would rather wait for TAA news but need the funds for the Grealish move. Grealish could rise and TAA drop tonight and if not then definitely tomorrow

    Stupid or wise to use 2FT so early?

    1. Bushwhacker
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      With the IB stupid . . .you have no idea who's coming back fit in two weeks.

      1. Dirty Harry
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        We have no idea who's playing every week this season regardless of the IB haha

      2. AnfieldLad
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        True. My TV is pretty low though compare to most on here. Because I almost never go early. Dunno if I need to take more risks

    2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Wait for me, unless you have WC

  2. Dirty Harry
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    How does the following transfers look?

    Son + Jimenez > Ziyech + Vardy (-4 yolo)

    Exact money for transfer so can't wait to pull the trigger and might be risking IB injuries etc. I was looking at Bruno in the midfield but leaves me with 7.9 FWD spot which isn't really appealling (Have DCL and Bamford already) and I can't put in Watkins (have three Villa). So left me with Ziyech/Vardy combo as an option.

    1. Belli2007
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Good combo. IB is a risk but Vardy won't get injured from that at least so if you want them then go for it.....

      1. Dirty Harry
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks, got to risk it for the biscuit

  3. HD7
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Man City fixtures are soon going to look awesome. Question is will they go full throttle, KDB or Sterling look like the people to go to for now.
    If Foden went David Silva it would be delightful for most fantasy players. Maybe Jesus can be bought if he goes in form. Or maybe Bruno is better choice than KDB even though he dosent have the best fixs...
    Thoughts?

    1. hotine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I have sterling and am so annoyed I haven’t had a spare transfer to swap him to KDB yet. For me United are pretty darn bad but even when they’re bad Bruno can get double digits. I’d want them both. If not I’d want KDB

  4. CelticBhoy1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Is it worth taking a hit to get bruno?

    1. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Same answer as last page

    2. FeverPitch
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Depends who you’re selling. But probably. I think it’s a good time to buy and trust he’ll make it worth a hit in the coming weeks

  5. C_G
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    1 FT, 0 ITB, should I WC this lot?? I want Bruno.

    Martinez Steer

    Chilwell Zouma Lamptey Justin Mitchell

    Podence Salah Son JRod Jorginho

    Vardy Kane DCL

    1. Dirty Harry
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Can you not just take a -4 for bruno? Get rid of Son/Podence for Bruno/4.5?

      1. C_G
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        i think podence will haul next week

        1. Dirty Harry
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Well how badly do you want Bruno?

      2. C_G
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        also i got Son really early on so I wont have 4.5 if I transfer him out

  6. Pep Roulette
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Bottomed. Sorry for the repost.

    Is Barkley being overlooked? Played like a support striker, took shots, created chances and shares set pieces.

    1. Bushwhacker
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Very inconsistant.

    2. Rains of Castamere
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Ssshhhh

    3. Hint
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Decent option at the price but Grealish is essential IMO and prefer Watkins if doubling.

  7. have you seen cyan
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Since 2018 in all comps, Spurs vs City has averaged 2.85 goals a game. Could be a high scoring fixture

    1. Bushwhacker
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Depends if they both play like they've hit the knackers yard like they did today.

    2. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I'm sure Son usually scores v City

      1. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Yea quite often.
        Havent looked into every game, but cant find when Kane last scored vs them, not for a while.

        1. have you seen cyan
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          5 goals in 10 for Son vs City

          1. _Ninja_
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Decent, enough for me to keep

  8. BenDavies
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Mitrovic + TAA --> DCL + Cancelo
    This seems too perfect a transfer with my 2 FT's, just concerned about injuries over the IB. Mitrovic about to fall again and cannot afford price rises/falls.
    Should I go for it now?

    1. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Aren't you concerned about Mendy who is due back after the internationals?

      1. BenDavies
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah I am a bit concerned about that too. I don't think Pep rates Mendy though.

    2. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I’m heavily tempted by similar moves..

  9. FCSB
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    I know I’ve got IB to think it over but some initial thoughts would be appreciated please:

    Martinez
    Robertson Chilwell Dallas
    Salah Son JamesR Grealish Foden
    DCL Kane

    Forster Saiss Brewster Ferguson

    2 FT, 0.0 itb

    What to do with my 2FT??

    1. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Something with Foden and Saiss?

      1. FCSB
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah I think that too... doesn’t give me a huge amount of $$ to play with

        Think I need to decide who to keep out of Kane and Son then perhaps sort Saiss out

    2. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Id consider wc tbh

      1. FCSB
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Lol

  10. Buck The Trent
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Who would you keep?

    A KWP
    B Justin

    1. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      A

  11. Sultan Saeed
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    3-4-3:

    Mccarthy (Steer)

    TAA, Chilwell, KWP. (Taylor, Ferguson)

    Salah, Son, Hamez, Grealish. (Bissouma)

    Kane, DCL, Mitrovic.

    1FT, 0.2ITB. - wildcard available

    Thinking TAA to a 5.0 ish def. Wanted Cancelo, but thinking ahead Im gonna do Son to KDB, and then want to upgrade Mitrovic, but that will leave me on 0ITB. Maybe Cresswell instead, thoughts?

  12. Hazz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Guaita
    TAA / Chilwell / R. James / Lamptey
    Salah / Son / Rodriguez / Foden
    Kane / DCL

    Forster // Podence / Kilman / Brewster

    A) TAA / Foden >> Coufal / Fernandes
    B) TAA / Foden / Son >> Coufal / Fernandes / Grealish
    (-4)
    C) TAA / Foden / Son >> Coufal / Fernandes / Ziyech
    (-4)
    D) TAA / Foden / Podence >> Cresswell / Grealish / Ziyech
    (-4)
    E) TAA / Foden / Podence >> Coufal / Grealish / Ziyech
    (-4)

    1. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I like E

      1. Gabbiadini
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        likewise

    2. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Hmm thanks both. Means no Fernandes - not sure. He looked so good.

    3. reedybob91
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      C for me

  13. AnfieldLad
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Just seen I have exact funds for

    TAA Son Podence -> Cancelo Bruno Grealish (-4)

    I hate price changes so much

    1. FeverPitch
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Cancelo could be someone cheaper. Also you could hold the Son to Bruno move for a week or two

    2. Gudjohnsen
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Good moves

    3. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Interesting idea.

    4. BUZZBOMB
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Absolutely. Just sold Son and TAA and brought in the other 3 on WC.

    5. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Wouldn’t be getting rid of Son

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        This

  14. Will1988
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    1.2 itb, 2 FTs

    McCarthy
    Chilwell Taylor Konya Coufal
    Salah Rodriguez Zaha
    Kane Jimenez Werner

    Nyland KWP Foden Reed

    I’m happy to get rid of Kane for a few weeks
    Is this ok?
    Kane-Watkins
    Foden-Fernandes/Sterling/Grealish

    Any other suggestions welcome?

    1. reedybob91
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I think your bench is too strong. Having a foden zaha or Watkins on the bench weekly is a bit of a waste of money as your always going have close to a 7 mill player sat on the bench. If you have a 5 mill player, that's 2 mill to spend in other areas.

      Would do Foden - KDB/Fernandes
      Jiminez -Brewster

      1. Will1988
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        My bench only looks strong because my 4.5 defenders have a decent draw at the moment.
        Reed is my 4.5 mid

  15. Digital-Real
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Does Son go away for international duties? South Korea play on the 14 and 17 Nov

    1. Klaren
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      He probably does but I think they play Qatar in Austria on the 17th so not a long travel for him.

  16. Gabbiadini
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    is sterling to kdb for free worth it

    1. EmreCan Hustle
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      No

    2. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I have Sterling but Foden Saiss Podence a problem. If you have no such issues then fine but probably save this week

      1. Gabbiadini
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        yes, may look to do it next week.

  17. EmreCan Hustle
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Any chance Bruno rises tonight?

    1. Digital-Real
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      tuesday

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers. One more day to think about whether to make an early transfer or not.

    2. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      fplstatistics.com

  18. C_G
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Son > Grealish? on FT

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Hell no

  19. reedybob91
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Currently have a front 8 of

    Ziyech, grealish, KDB, Salah, Jota
    Kane, Brewster, DCL

    Not having Bruno has proper burnt me this week, do you think he's essential? The only route I can see to signing him is downgrading kane to a Bamford/Wilson, and upgrading Jota

    Would kane and Jota score more points than Bruno and Wilson/bamford long term.

    Thoughts?

    1. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I’m tempted to lose Wilson

  20. Gubbins94.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Do we expect TAA to drop tonight?

    1. Digital-Real
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      hard to call. Puli dropped last night and he was on 80% chance of dropping.

      1. Gubbins94.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks, seems changes are especially difficult to call this year.

  21. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Could Trent be pulling an ‘International Break Injury’ rather than his calf?

    1. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      No he properly pulled up

  22. CheesyZoot
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Heres the team for next week, crazy to leave it and roll the transfer?:

    Martinez
    James, Chilwell, Coufal
    Grealish, Son, Salah, Ziyech
    Kane, Jimi, DCL

    0ITB

    Tempted to captain Grealish or Ziyech....

    Alternatively, could -4 to do Jimi > Antonio if fit and Son > (B)runo

  23. liiusions
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Meslier 4.0
    Chilwell Lamptey Saiss Ayling 4.0
    Salah Son Grealish Ziyech Podence
    Kane DCL Brewster
    1FT 3.4ITB

    Thoughts on what to do this week? Would love to be aggressive and move the Spurs boys on but Podence and double Leeds defence have been killing me

    1. Digital-Real
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Shifting Leeds defenders are your priority. Difficult to select reliable defenders to go to atm.

  24. The Big Fella
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    I know it is fashionable on here to bring in Antonio for his favourable run but Watkins also has an amazing run and has the advantage of not playing for WHU. Is anybody else considering Watkins over Antonio?

    1. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Looking at Wilson > Watkins. Villa look great atm

      1. The Big Fella
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I am concerned his hauls have come from top 6 teams though and not easy fixtures

    2. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I am. It would be doubling up on Villa's attack with Grealish, which is risky, but that run is ridiculous.

      1. The Big Fella
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I agree - amazing run. He does seem to put them away when he is given a chance, although he has actually only got returns in three matches so far which is also a bit risky

    3. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Not sure Watkins great fixtures is a bonus as he blanked v SHU, FUL and LEE but scored 5 of his 6 goals v LIV and ARS.

      1. The Big Fella
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah also he has actually only got returns in 3 matches and two of those were bumper hauls. There are a lot blanks between each haul.

  25. Niho992
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    People really buying Cancelo. Lol. He is big rotation risk. Ruben Dias it is if you want City def.

    1. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Its the attacking threat.

  26. Pep Roulette
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Is Jota really an option now?

    1. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Not really until he starts more often.

    2. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      He was very poor today

  27. Kasper the ghost keeper
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Bought Hamez at 7.5, will lose value on drop tonight. Ditch on wildcard for Grealish?

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      If you're on WC obviously ship him out (at least temporarily) as it's a 0.1m gain if you want him back.

  28. FPL Theorist
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    I want to get Vardy for GW10-13, but not sure whether to get him for GW9. Who scores more in GW9 only?

    A. Kane (MCI)
    B. Vardy (liv)

    1. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      B

    2. MikeS
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Neither.. not 2 points

  29. dubtom
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Looking to get rid of Jimenez and Foden/Jorginho with 2FTs. Should I go for Jesus + Grealish or Watkins + Fernandes?

    1. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      A

  30. MikeS
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    A. Kane to Watkins
    B. Bamford to Watkins

    Both have bad fixtures..

    1. BenDavies
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      B

    2. MikeS
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Also would you do son to ziyech?

    3. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Neither

    4. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      "Kane to watkins". Do you even see what you are typing? Absurd transfer imo.

      1. _Ninja_
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        😀

    5. The Big Fella
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Definitely not A. Crazy transfer! B is very sideways I think