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Versus – Rooney and Van Persie

With a single goal in his last six appearances, Robin Van Persie’s season seems to be stuttering to a halt as United close in on the title. Having notched six times in the previous five league fixtures, the Dutchman’s drought has had a huge impact across the Fantasy games – coinciding with a return to fitness which has seen Wayne Rooney find the net five times by comparison. As the transfers out continue to flow, our latest article for members focuses on the pair’s respective performances over those matches and also casts an eye on Van Persie’s previous displays to establish whether there is any real cause for concern:

Robin Van Persie – Involvement & Creativity Per Match Averages – Last Six Matches

Minutes Per TouchMins Per Pass ReceivedTouches – Final ThirdPasses Received – Final ThirdSuccessful Passes – Final ThirdChances CreatedMins Per Chances Created
23.722.29.76.81.358

Wayne Rooney – Involvement & Creativity Per Match Averages – Last Six Matches

Minutes Per TouchMins Per Pass ReceivedTouches – Final ThirdPasses Received – Final ThirdSuccessful Passes – Final ThirdChances CreatedMins Per Chances Created
1.4229.720.514.32.334
RWP GW24-30
Rooney GW24-30

As the above maps indicate, Rooney’s role (right) has been more withdrawn than the Dutchman’s (left) over the featured period. Dropping deep to link with the midfield, the former Everton man has received a pass from team mates at almost twice the pace of Van Persie (2.1 to 3.9) and although this is understandable due to their respective roles, Rooney has also proven superior in the final third of the pitch in terms of involvement.

While Van Persie has averaged 23.5 touches in the final third between Gameweeks 24 and 30, Rooney has registered 30.3. The latter has received over double the number of passes (20.5 to 9.7), and has made over twice the number of successful passes in this crucial attacking area (14.5 to 7). Although the Dutchman has returned three FPL assists to Rooney’s two over the six featured matches, he’s offered far less creativity – averaging 1.3 “key passes” to Rooney’s 2.3, which equates to a chance created every 60.6 minutes in compared to the far quicker pace of 36.1 minutes offered by Rooney.

Sorting the forwards statistics by “Last Six Matches”, it’s telling to see that only Fulham’s Bryan Ruiz has averaged more touches than Rooney (1.1 to 1.3), while the Costa Rican also edges Rooney into second for minutes per pass received, by 2 to 2.1. Indeed, while Rooney is second for chances created, with 14 to Rickie Lambert’s 15, Van Persie’s total of 8 over his last six appearances puts him on a par with Arouna Kone and Andy Carroll. Furthermore, Rooney’s above-mentioned average of 36.1 minutes per key pass is second to Carlos Tevez (34.2) for regular starters, demonstrating his constant creativity and suggesting he’s been unlucky to pick up just two assists over the timeframe.

Robin Van Persie – Goal Threat Per Match Averages – Last Six Matches

Touches – Pen AreaGoal AttemptsGoal Attempts In BoxOn TargetShot AccuracyMins Per ChanceGoal Conversion
5.33.21.71.547.424.55.3

Wayne Rooney – Goal Threat Per Match Averages – Last Six Matches

Touches – Pen AreaGoal AttemptsGoal Attempts In BoxOn TargetShot AccuracyMins Per ChanceGoal Conversion
4.54.02.01.229.220.120.8

Given that Van Persie has notched just once, it’s perhaps surprising to see he has actually seen more of the ball inside the penalty area than Rooney, with 5.8 touches to 5.2 per game. Rooney, however, has offered the greater threat – he has averaged 4 shots per game over the six matches in comparison to Van Persie’s 3.2 and, despite seeing less of the ball in the box, has been more consistent in producing efforts from close range, with 2.2 shots inside the area to Van Persie’s 1.8. In terms of minutes per attempt, Rooney slightly edges it with a shot every 21 minutes to Van Persie’s average of 25.5.

Analysing the pair’s accuracy, though, Van Persie clearly remains a major threat. He has registered more shots on target per game (1.5 to 1.2) than Rooney – crucially, what this boils down to is that 47.4% of his shots have been on target in comparison to just 29.2% of Rooney’s efforts, a definite sign that his threat remains significant. Due to the endeavours of opposition keepers, the Dutchman has failed to flourish. Van Persie has scored just one of his 19 attempts, then, (a conversion rate of 5%), while Rooney has found the net with 20.8% of his efforts (24 shots, 5 goals).

Again, looking at other forwards sorted by “Last Six Matches” , it’s somewhat reassuring for Van Persie’s owners to see that only two forwards – Daniel Sturridge and Javier Hernandez – have produced more efforts on target, with 12 and 11 respectively. Rooney has managed 7 shots on target, scoring 5 times, then, while the Dutchman’s poor conversion has resulted in one goal from 9 shots on target – a tally mirrored by Luis Suarez and Romelu Lukaku, who scored 5 and 4 times respectively, while Christian Benteke found the net 5 times from 8 efforts on target.
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Robin Van Persie – Involvement & Creativity Per Match Averages – GW’s 19-23

Minutes Per TouchMins Per Pass ReceivedTouches – Final ThirdPasses Received – Final ThirdSuccessful Passes – Final ThirdChances CreatedMins Per Chances Created
1.7324.611.88.40.897

Robin Van Persie – Goal Threat Per Match Averages – GW’s 19-23

Touches – Pen AreaGoal AttemptsGoal Attempts In BoxOn TargetShot AccuracyMins Per ChanceGoal Conversion
5.64.43.22.045.517.727.3

Having compared Van Persie’s performances to Rooney over the last six, we now analyse them against his previous five appearances – a period where Rooney played just 29 minutes, after climbing off the bench to signal his return from injury in the Gameweek 23 clash with Tottenham.

Immediately, you can see the impact Rooney has made on Van Persie’s overall involvement; his previous average of 3.2 minutes per pass received has dropped to 3.9, while the Dutchman’s touches in the final third slipped from 28.8 to 23.5 over the two periods. In terms of passes received in the final third, the decrease has been minimal (11.6 to 9.7), while the same also applies to the number of successful passes Van Persie has made in the danger area – moving from 8.8 per appearance between Gameweek 19-23 down to 7 per appearance over Gameweek 24-30. Perhaps surprisingly, Van Persie’s creativity has increased in recent weeks, moving from 0.8 key passes to 1.3, or a chance created every 102.8 minutes to one every 60.6 minutes.

When we look at goal threat, though, there’s been a definite difference. Although Van Persie has more or less registered the same touches in the box (6.0 has slipped slightly to 5.8), his previous average of 4.4 attempts per game without Rooney has now slumped to 3.2 – intriguingly, this was the number of efforts he was averaging inside the box in Rooney’s absence and not far off double his current average of 1.8 efforts from close range. Van Persie was also producing more shots on target (2 to 1.5) over the first period and while his overall accuracy has dropped a touch (47.4% to 45.5%) it remains far superior to Rooney’s recent level of 29.2%.

Previously, the Dutchman was registering a shot every 18.7 minutes – better than his or Rooney’s current rate of 25.5 and 21 respectively, though the main issue, as mentioned above, is really just his current conversion rate. Without Rooney alongside him, Van Persie tucked away 27.3% of his chances over Gameweeks 19-23 and, while it’s clear his strike partner has impacted upon his performances since returning, Van Persie only really has himself – and, in part, opposition keepers – to blame for this plummeting to a lowly 5.3%. With a season average conversion rate of 18.4%, though, an upturn on Fantasy performances looks on the cards despite a definite decrease in his overall threat since Rooney’s return to the United XI.

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  1. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
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    11 years, 1 month ago

    Right I'm off to bed really enjoyed it on here tonight, night all 🙂

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    1. COMH
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      Night mate. Nice trackin!

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  2. Hybrid.power
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    Any love for Sigur Ros? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf1h2PMPCAo

    Saw them in Glasgow a few weeks ago. Definitely buying tickets for their Dublin show when they go on sale next week

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    1. TokyoRed 東京赤
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      Yes, yes, yes

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    2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      I sigur ros and raise you this...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3OJTZVKZx8

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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          😀

          Another great one...

          I really do well up whenever I listen to that track off ( ) ^

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          1. Hybrid.power
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            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            ( ) and Agaetis Byrjun are the only albums, by anyone, that I can listen to straight through, no matter what I'm feeling

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            1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              ( ) is a really special album for me, it brings back so many memories of when I was younger *sniff* 🙁

              😀

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              1. Hybrid.power
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                • 14 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                When I saw them live a few weeks ago, they played Untitled 6 (E-Bow). I never thought I'd see them play that live and I was just awestruck. It was very emotional!

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BF_cnD9_GQ

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                1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
                  • 12 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  they're one of those bands...nearly every song can leave you awestruck...that's what I loved so much about ( ) when it first came out, I just felt like it was something so incomprehensibly beautiful, you're just sitting there in awe and soaking it all in.

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              2. Hybrid.power
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                • 14 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                Also, Popplagio is the best song to hear live ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYShhTuScLg

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                1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
                  • 12 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  'you sighed along a long fire'

                  I remember trying to work out the lyrics before I realised it was hopelandic 🙂

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                  1. Hybrid.power
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                    • 14 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    LOL! It's the only music I can that you can mumble too and you're not wrong 😛

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      2. Zep
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        If you like them you will love Olafur Arnalds...

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRrX80qdaTI

        This is a good album...

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        1. Hybrid.power
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          You should check out this doumentary, it features Olafur http://vimeo.com/34608191

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          1. Zep
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            Good man, will do...

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        2. organdonor47
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          Lame to fame: Oli was my flat mate up until a few months ago. (Dunno how to do sunglasses). If you like him you should check out the show broadchurch for his soundtrack (shown on itv in the uk i believe)

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          1. Zep
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            11 years, 1 month ago

            Wow that's awesome dude... Thanks, I certainly will check that out...

            8 - ) with no spaces 😎

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    3. the axolotl
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      Favourite band by a distance

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  3. Manani
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRZseZY8-k

    best crowd ever?
    it is like everyone from there can sing well!
    amazing vibe

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  4. COMH
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    11 years, 1 month ago

    Manani, Henry Hill, Chancing Punt. Check out Action Bronson. Albanian rapper from Queens. Sounds like Ghostface and has some good material out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPCQgzA1cnU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ohbKidZLiA

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    1. CHANCING PUNT
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      11 years, 1 month ago

      Heard a little of him, will check out some more.

      Ever listened to Earl Sweatshirt? In particular a track called "Chum"? Give it a go if not.

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    2. Manani
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      11 years, 1 month ago

      does he have any mixtape?
      to be fair, I haven't been listening to hip hop for quite that long, so don't know who Ghostface is 😆

      pretty decent song though. but I prefer Kanye West type soul rap music

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      1. CHANCING PUNT
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Ghostface Killah, of the Wu-Tang. Here's one of his more recent songs, 2006 I think, lyrical but also incredibly entertaining. Complete with Rocky samples.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbSYgSOZHqI

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      2. COMH
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        11 years, 1 month ago

        Ghostface Killah from Wu-Tang

        You'll like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzacv8dtb4

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        1. COMH
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          And this

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BONgL61snlM

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          1. CHANCING PUNT
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Yep, Lupe recently sampled this for a single.

            Caused quite a stir actually. Great music.

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            1. Henry Hill
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              11 years, 1 month ago

              Did you hear Lupe's latest song? He released a song in dedication to a 6 month old baby who was killed in a drive-by shooting in his home city. Deep track, you can read more about the shooting here:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2291995/Jonylah-Watkins-Baby-dies-Chicago-shot-times-attack-father.html

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU775YOAfkw

              Breaking Bad fans might recognise the beat from a famous scene in the show

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              1. CHANCING PUNT
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                11 years, 1 month ago

                I'd read about it, but this is my first time hearing it. Lupe's been purposely out of the limelight as of late (aside from publicly slagging Obama that is).

                He's got a special gift for deep tracks I find, not always about such sad events but songs with a deeper meaning.

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                1. Henry Hill
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                  Lupe's last album was crap, he should do deep tracks like this all the time.

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                  1. CHANCING PUNT
                    • 11 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    Not sure about that!

                    Lasers was, I thought F&L 2 was a return to form. Admittedly not as good as his first two albums mind you.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4TC0E211KI

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                  2. Henry Hill
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                    Sorry Lasers I meant was crap, forgot about F&L 2

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          2. CHANCING PUNT
            • 11 Years
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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VojfkAZZqXA

            De La Soul - Much More.

            "I play the XBox instead of messing with dice..."

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            1. COMH
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              Brilliant track mate. Liking your taste in Hip Hop.

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        2. Manani
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          love it 😀
          slightly too laid back though

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    3. Henry Hill
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      Ya I like Action too Hristo, here's new song of his I like:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHWewXSiQEE

      Really looking forward to Ghostface's new album Twelve Reasons To Die that is dropping April 16th, probably best of the Wu-Tang members solo wise. This is one of the tracks off it that leaked:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtHb0ALkFzo

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      1. CHANCING PUNT
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        I think an album stream for the new record was released earlier today, might be worth checking some Hip-Hop websites for it.

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        1. Henry Hill
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          Na just snippets of all songs think, that and the few tracks that leaked it sounds really promising, Really hope it leaks soon

          http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/listen-to-album-snippets-from-ghostface-killah-and-adrian-younge-s-12-reasons-to-die-news.4996.html

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        2. organdonor47
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          Chancing - seeing as you seem to know your contemporary stuff - any ideas about jay electronica act 2? Kind of given up waiting 🙁

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          1. CHANCING PUNT
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            He's apparently got it done.

            But until Jay-Z gets a marketable single it's going to be on the shelf, that's my understanding of it.

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            1. organdonor47
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              Heard the one about him finishing a few times before huh? Ah well, sure it'll be worth it... Cheers.

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      2. COMH
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        Yeah looking forward to his new album and then his album with MF DOOM.

        Wu album dropping this year also.

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        1. Henry Hill
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          Have got to see the Wu live before I die, who's your favourite member? Probably Method Man for me

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          1. Rafabio
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            Mr Meth for sure, http://youtu.be/bMxXmVVR4wE

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          2. CHANCING PUNT
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            Ghostface. Certainly the most consistent in my opinion. Fishscale, Pretty Toney album, Ironman all personal favourites.

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            1. Rafabio
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              Loved Ironman, Assassination Day!!

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            2. COMH
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              Supreme Clientele is one of the best Wu albums!

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          3. COMH
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            It was Meth until the late 90's then he started sounding different on records. Too clean compared to the older stuff.

            Inspectah Deck or Ghostface for me.

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            1. Henry Hill
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              Tough question to answer as so many of them are unreal - Deck, GZA, RZA, Ghost, Meth, Rae. Ghost probably the best solo wise, Meth seems so brilliant live too.

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              1. CHANCING PUNT
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                A few of them toured in my city last year. I think that's the best we as fans will get now, can't see the remaining members all coming together for a tour.

                Only earlier this week Ghostface was slagging some of the work on 8 Diagrams.

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                1. Henry Hill
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                  They played Glastonbury in 2011, Rae was absent though. Set was great but crowd were poor, they didn't really know the classic tracks and they were probably on too early in the day.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkcA_MuI6OA

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  5. Zep
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    Some brilliant songs being posted here...

    Here's a band that I fell in love with as soon as I heard them...

    If you have 10 minutes to spare, give this a listen... 😉

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcGc-nbLco

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    1. TokyoRed 東京赤
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      Is that new Yes?

      http://youtu.be/nlNantlznCA

      King Crimson must be on your list too then?

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      1. Zep
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        11 years, 1 month ago

        I absolutely love King Crimson as well...

        Epitaph is my favourite...

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  6. TokyoRed 東京赤
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    For the Jazz fans

    http://youtu.be/TebUMhJAKSM

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      😆

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  7. Hybrid.power
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    Anyone hear of The Album Leaf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66yTEr7ZnO4

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  8. RoysCallerAnne
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    This place is gone a bit cerrazzy. I'm very surprised that my favourite chooooon of all time seems to be missing ; Barney's classic "If all the Raindrops were Lemon Drops and Gum Drops."
    It's taken from his seminal debut album, Barney's Favourites (Vol 1) from 1993.
    It was re-released in 2000 as part of his much criticized "Greatest Hits" album.....fans were unhappy that it was relegated to Track 3.
    More worryingly, this classic piece was unceremoniously dumped down to Track 14 for Barney's "Big Surprise" LP, also released in 2000.

    I won't bother with the youtube link because I'm fairly certain you're all pretty embarrassed that this modern day classic has been overlooked in this thread and you're all humming it in your FPL starved tiny minds as we speak.

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    1. Hybrid.power
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      I kind of lost interest in Barney after his third stint in rehab. He just became incomprehensible.

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      1. TokyoRed 東京赤
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        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Vicodin steals another legend.

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    2. Manani
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      too young to have listen to any of those!

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  9. Manani
    • 12 Years
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3C-i3mcPwE

    I really like this rap song too!
    dope beat, slick verse from all the features, and Kendrick just killed it from his last verse.

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  10. CHANCING PUNT
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZKrctSDaw

    Any Jurassic 5 love?

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    1. COMH
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      Definitely mate! This is the track I was thinking of when I saw your post. Classic.

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      1. CHANCING PUNT
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        I too am sick of phony mobsters controlling the dancefloor.

        Really hit the nail on the head with that line!

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      2. COMH
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Their turntablist DJ Nu-Mark is incredible. Check him out on YouTube doing an improvised set with all kinds of equipment.

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        1. CHANCING PUNT
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Just checked it. Brilliant. The original lineup is actually going on a mini UK tour, might be worth checking for tickets if you can.

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    2. Manani
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      this is quality! 😀

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  11. Manani
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    I just wonder, how many times listen does it take for you guys to get all the verses from a rap song?

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    1. COMH
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      I'm a beat junkie. I get the lyrics gradually over time. 😉

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      1. Manani
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        nice to know that I am not the only one 😀
        I think the vibe is more important than anything (hence the important for the flow), and everytime I get something lyrics wise I didn't get before! It is like a new experience everytime 😀

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        1. Egg noodle
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          If I don't understand all the words within 5 plays then I never listen to the song ever again. Yes, its true.

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          1. Manani
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            😆
            how about if you understand the word, but don't know the meaning/reference to it?

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            1. Egg noodle
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              I dont know the meanings of many words anyway because I am not English. But I MUST be able to sing along, thats why I want to know all the words. I dont care if I understand the meaning or not 😀

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              1. Manani
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                😆 fair enough.
                I sometimes look it up if I really like the beat/vibe.

                I am not English too! and I have to say, everytime I look the lyrics up, I learn things that I don't know before!

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    2. CHANCING PUNT
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      Often depends on which region or nation the rap has come from. I never fully understand the dialect or accent of some Southern rappers, mostly because I was brought up on primarily East coast rappers (Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z, Wu-Tang, Guru, Rakim...)

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      1. Manani
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        lupe and J.Cole are some of the few which I can listen what they are rapping in my first listening

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    3. In Like Flynn.
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      62,827,586

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      1. Manani
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        well at least you get all the verses 😆

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    4. Gaz Downright
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      11 years, 1 month ago

      rap song...

      motorcycle car...

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  12. COMH
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Gang Starr - Soliloquy Of Chaos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD-YTMOTlNg

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    1. CHANCING PUNT
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      11 years, 1 month ago

      Real shame Guru passed.

      Still dream of Preemo doing more work with Nas.

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      1. COMH
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah Premo and Nas is the next best thing.

        You heard much Jeru The Damaja?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk1pMRRzKSA

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        1. CHANCING PUNT
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          11 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah I've got me some Jeru.

          The Preemo-Nas combo is a strange one, barring the song "Classic" they've not worked together since Stillmatic over a decade ago. Strange when you think of the early music they've created together.

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  13. CHANCING PUNT
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzokAVkFLyQ

    Nasir. Some of the best storytelling of his career. Really paints a picture the whole way through, love the first few bars especially though.

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    1. Henry Hill
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      11 years, 1 month ago

      Great track from a really underrated album mate, was he really good live the other day? Have a DVD of him live and he seems to run out of breath a lot. Love the end of it where he brings out Jadakiss and Luda for Made You Look remix though

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjh3SvnTfVI

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      1. CHANCING PUNT
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        I have that DVD too, I was a little concerned because he uses his hype man to finish most of his raps. Felt like he stepped it up in front of Luda and Jada mind!

        He was brilliant, really really tops. Live band with DJ Statik Selektah used for certain songs. A lot of Life is Good coverage but went through his old classics too (which is what I was hoping for). Been determined to hear "Get Down" live for years - finally heard it complete with a brilliant piece of trumpet playing.

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        1. Henry Hill
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Thanks for feedback, I was meant to see him with Damian Marley couple years ago but was too broke to go. Really is on my bucket list to see him, love him to bits!

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    2. Scroobius Mac
      • 13 Years
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      Great track. GOAT? Probably second in my books.

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      1. Manani
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        i am complied to ask who is 1st?

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Biggie for me. Pac, Jay-Z and Pun all close though.

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          1. Manani
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            who is Pun?
            I am not very educated on this hip hop thing 😛

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            1. Scroobius Mac
              • 13 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Big Pun. Flow is insane.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiwvPmRTv6M

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              1. Manani
                • 12 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                insane flow indeed!
                thank you for that

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                1. Scroobius Mac
                  • 13 Years
                  11 years, 1 month ago

                  Dead in the middle of Little Italy little did we know
                  that we riddled some middleman who didn't do diddily

                  Just so good.

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                  1. Manani
                    • 12 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    how effortless did he rap that line is beyond my imagination

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                  2. CHANCING PUNT
                    • 11 Years
                    11 years, 1 month ago

                    His breathing really affected his later works I thought, couldn't quite pull off this effortless flow. Such a shame.

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      2. CHANCING PUNT
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        My GOAT now, yeah. Pure longevity has elevated him above Biggie to me. Jay is really tight up there for me too.

        I love the resurrection of Nas, after the failure of Nastradamus and struggling with his mothers death around the time of Stillmatic. As soon as the intro comes into the album you know he's found redemption.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avQioEwD6zI

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Like Hicks in a way critically Biggie was a benefit of his own demise.

          Illmatic is artistically amazing. Combining the flow and to some level polished production with upmost street grit and then as you say returning with Stillmatic I mean you could've released the album with just Ether and it would still be a classic.

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          1. CHANCING PUNT
            • 11 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Its potential vs. reality, Biggie potentially could have dominated rap. But its important to remember sometimes that him and Nas were very close in terms of popularity and critical acclaim at the time - before adding on the 10 albums Nas followed up with.

            The age of these guys still baffles me. Nas was writing Illmatic in his late teenage years.

            In saying that Biggie's verse on Notorious Thugs is amongst my top 10 ever I think.

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            1. COMH
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 1 month ago

              Black Thought from the Roots, Big L and Andre 3000 all up there for me. All lyrically incredible and individual.

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              1. Scroobius Mac
                • 13 Years
                11 years, 1 month ago

                I remember being 16ish and couldn't understand why Eminem put "Andre from Outkast" on his top list in Till I Collapse. Needless to say I understand now. So underrated.

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    3. Manani
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      really good stuff!
      gonna favourite it 😀

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      1. Manani
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        the album aartwork freaks me out a bit 😆

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  14. COMH
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Check this out. Priest/pimp from Chicago affiliated to Rza.

    Nice sample

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRyKsMzlSF0

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    1. Manani
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      can't listen to a word he's rapping 😆

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    2. CHANCING PUNT
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Top stuff!

      A classic Killah Priest, also a Wu-Tang affiliate from back in the day:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdUmkm6wJfM

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      1. COMH
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        One of my favourite tracks. Tekitha is an amazing singer too.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GxvvorKjVY

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  15. Zep
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Mark Lanegan - Carry Home

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDoYWWUw2T8

    Anyone that likes alternative music would do well to get all his stuff...

    One of my favourite artists...

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      1. Zep
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, it's up there...

        In fairness the whole Bubblegum album is brilliant...

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          PJ Harvey too...I love everything she does, saw her live too...she was bloody brilliant

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          1. Zep
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            I love her stuff.. 😀

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      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Watched him at Reading festival last year. Few beers in the sun sitting on the grass watching this, doesn't get much better.

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    3. Billy Ketsu
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      That's great. Lanegan's ace and I love the Gun Club. Kid Congo Powers (C).

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  16. In Like Flynn.
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    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Lukas Podolski in todays NTI 23,419 error or technical adjustment off protection?

    http://totalfpl.com/pricechanges

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    1. Manani
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      probably a reset

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  17. In Like Flynn.
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    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    F**k Sorry, I thought I was on FFS. Please ignore last post, will try another search engine.

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      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      😆

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  18. TokyoRed 東京赤
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    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Spectrum - Sonic Boom's band after Spacemen 3, and the classic How You Satisfy Me

    http://youtu.be/r9yApVj3z84

    And Spacemen 3, Revolution

    http://youtu.be/Xg5D-CqDoI8

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  19. COMH
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Don't forget Killarmy. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars is one of the best Wu albums released.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Weapons_for_Quiet_Wars

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtOxAT3IRY

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  20. Scroobius Mac
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVjibykosCU

    Music hour is it? Discovered this track this week. Massive Akala fan and the other chap is no scratch either. Give it a listen.

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    1. COMH
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      This is quality. Good find.

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    2. Manani
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      don't really like his flow.
      sick beat though

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      1. Scroobius Mac
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Really? The bit about "We used to take civilization to savages, now we take democracy to amateurs, its only for the cameras, we are only cannibals" (paraphrased) is superb.

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        1. Manani
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          too quick, didn't catch that phrase.
          but look at it, that phrase look sick

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  21. COMH
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Another Wu affiliate. He is rapping about his Dad serving in Vietnam. Solid track

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZsGX3B_BY

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Neither of them are the best rapper of all time and any of their other tracks might not even feature on my top 50 but this is my favourite hip-hop track of all time The flow, delivery, concept and content is insane.

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      1. COMH
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        It's unreal mate. The lyrical content and his delivery are incredible. You can hear the emotion in the track aswell.

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Hang on does this version miss off some of Jedi Mind Tricks stuff? Is a minute shorter.

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          1. COMH
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah this is the RA verse only.

            The whole track is great though.

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    2. CHANCING PUNT
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Wow. Great drop.

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    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Zep, have you heard this? Off his newest one

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX7zw5O3S1Y

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  23. Gaz Downright
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    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Redbulls seem to suck this year.

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  24. CHANCING PUNT
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC73fFKl3-M

    The Blast.

    "Hi-Tek on a track like Flo Jo..."

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    1. COMH
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Amazing track. Reflection Eternal is a great album. Bought it the day it came out.

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      1. CHANCING PUNT
        • 11 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Too young man, only in my early 20s so didn't truly appreciate this sort of music until my teenage years. Definitely born into the wrong generation in terms of music! Things beginning to brighten up I suppose...

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        1. COMH
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          You have a good grasp of it so far and you're listening to all the right stuff.

          Mos Def - Black On Both Sides another classic

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  25. COMH
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Don't know if any of you have heard of Mad Skillz? His album From Where??? in 1996 has great production.

    Check this out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7HcyfCNIQ

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  26. Gaz Downright
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    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    Whitecaps hit both posts with a freekick.. christ

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  27. Oi! Shadders!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuvWc3ToDHg

    Beach House
    Myth

    Beautiful

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      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      oh yes

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      1. Oi! Shadders!
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        • 13 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Glad you like it, Unreal.

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  28. COMH
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    One of the best female Hip Hop tracks released. DJ Premier produced

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D_VZ6s__ag

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    1. CHANCING PUNT
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Is this the same Mecca that featured on Feelin It by Jay-Z on RD?

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      1. COMH
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Don't think so mate. Mecca sang a verse on that album, no rapping.

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        1. CHANCING PUNT
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah, its one of my favourite tracks. Just thought she could have been multi talented.

          Think you're right though.

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  29. Manani
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    any modern hip hop songs worth looking out for? (post2010)

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    1. COMH
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah your pal Kanye features on The Game's new track off his new album

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvsgTNPQbT4

      This is another good track off the album

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2b7oJvfZM

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      1. Manani
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        got that album.
        'Ali Bombaye' become my offical pump up track. 😀

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        1. COMH
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          Great track. Check below. Solid.

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      2. COMH
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Even better

        O.C (rapper) and Apollo Brown (Producer) with Trophies, one of the best albums of 2012.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7qRMP3vE9M

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        1. Manani
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 1 month ago

          great stuff!
          nice to hear something new

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      1. Manani
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        artwork a bit disturbing 😆

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    3. Scroobius Mac
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ8TzuqpSQs

      Three of my favourite arists on one tracks - Scroobius Pip, POS, and B Dolan.

      Also check Sage Francis, Kendrick Lamar and Akala.

      More mainstream but I like A$AP Rocky and Mackelmore (ignoring thift shop there are some proper tracks on that album).

      Oh and Killer Mike that album is great.

      Does DZ descend into hip-hop frequently? I may need to stay up longer if so.

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      1. Manani
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        nice, will check them all out 😀

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      2. Get up ya bum
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 1 month ago

        Aesop Rock is where it's at. What's with that dude nearly stealing his name? El-P's new album is sick too, about a year nowold

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    4. Henry Hill
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 1 month ago

      This is the title track off one of my favourite albums so far this year.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZNXLULriqc

      Hristo and Chancing might enjoy this too

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  30. Oi! Shadders!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TImvarF-Z0

    Elliott Smith
    Bottle Up and Explode

    Great song

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