Opinion

The Burning Question – Should we consider a four-man defence?

Three at the back – it’s been the tried and trusted Fantasy formation since we were first given a choice in such matters.

Midfielders and forwards score more points, after all, so you’ve got to maximise their presence in your side.

But the rise of the wing-back last season is threatening to prompt a revolution. The poster boy for the movement, Marcos Alonso, romped to 177 points for Chelsea in 2016/17 – more than all but the top four Fantasy Premier League strikers (excluding the out-of-position Josh King).

And with more Premier League managers than ever flirting with the system, there’s a school of thought that increasing numbers of Fantasy defenders are going to score big this campaign.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the second of this season’s Burning Questions: Do we stick to 3-4-3, or give in to the lure of the four-man defence?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion) Says…

There’s no question that 3-4-3 is the standard FPL formation and, given the array of forwards available, I want to continue playing three up front.

Whether it’s worth moving to four in defence is something I’ll look to adapt to when more information suggests that’s the route.

At the moment there are a lot of options in all the positions, so I’m still happy to maximise the number of attackers.

I generally find results to be unpredictable at the start of the season with newly promoted teams often enjoying a honeymoon period. This makes banking on clean sheets as a source of points a risky strategy.

Should certain teams come to the fore with regards to clean sheets, and at least four defenders look clearly underpriced, then I could be persuaded to make the switch to four at the back.

But it’s a crazy, and possibly drab, season if I’m going to five, though.

The other side to defenders that’s worth looking at is the attacking potential. I like my defenders to have some goal threat, but feel three defenders is still enough.

I still view defenders for clean sheets as being the priority and am not keen on a good Gameweek being dependent on my defenders scoring or assisting.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-Up 2016/17) Says…

Depends. Each to their own!

We saw with Marcos Alonso and Kyle Walker last season that the wing-backs provide great value in FPL, and it has reinvigorated the defender position as a glamorous position to pay attention to.

Therefore, given how many attacking wing-backs we have in the league coupled with consistently high-scoring centre-backs such as Gary Cahill, Gareth McAuley and Cesar Azpilicueta, there is merit in considering a four-man defence in FPL.

However, you would have to dig deeper into the statistical evidence to establish the best value formation.

The basic fact remains that you have £100m to spend and I feel the most significant factor when putting a team together is to select the right players period by period and regardless of the formation, and to be flexible in your approach.

Selecting high-value players in one position obviously means allowances have to be made elsewhere, so it is best to put together a balanced team capable of putting big points on the board.

Generally speaking, I have always preferred the 3-4-3 formation but given how many good high-priced attacking players there are, if I was going to change, it would be to a 3-5-2 to allow two big hitters up front.

Having said this, I don’t believe it works long-term to be principled and I try and maintain a squad of 15 that allows for flexibility of formations.

Again, it is more important to have the right set of players than to start with a formation and go from there.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

At the time of writing, I am so tempted to switch to the dark side of a four-man defence, purely because the value you can find by stripping down the attacking unit by two players is mouth-watering.

The potential benefits of stocking up on wing-backs have been constantly lauded on these pages over the past few weeks and have slowly eroded my stoicism to stick to 3-4-3 or 3-5-2.

That third striker position is the deal-breaker, in my mind.

You can obviously go all-out attack with three Rolls-Royce strikers if you don’t mind loading your defence and midfield with the Rangels and Carrolls of the world.

Trade in your Jesus or Morata for the ephemeral charms of Defoe, Benteke or Hernandez and you are looking at a solid, balanced 3-4-3 with points potential all over the pitch and maybe even a half-decent substitute knocking on your door every week asking if there is any chance he can have a run-out.

How tempting, though, to throw caution to the wind and dust the cobwebs off logbooks labelled Crouch, McBurnie or Mousset. You know these cantankerous old beasts may not even get into first gear, but what does that matter when it allows you the coveted Kan-Kaku strike force, two premium midfielders and enough cash left over to replicate Manchester City’s summer spending in defence?

Fantasy Football is all about flexibility and adaptability, and a change of formation could be just the bold move which puts you ahead of the game before Wildcard mania kicks in.

Whether I’m bold enough to make the move myself is something yet to be confirmed.

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

I can definitely see the appeal of a back four.

The triumphant return of the wing-back position after about twenty years in the footballing wilderness has offered the promise of both attacking and defensive returns and a whole new dynamic to factor into our selection.

It’s hard to argue against including the likes of Kieran Trippier or Marcos Alonso. Sure, they’ve had big price hikes this season, but comparable to many midfielders and forwards, they look to offer better value.

Outside of the premium defenders, the trend of wing-backs may also enhance the value of some budget defenders, Lewis Dunk at Brighton being a potential example. This further strengthens the case for focusing on the backline.

For me though, I’m currently still looking at three at the back, with one or two premium options, and then exploiting the value I see among mid-priced midfielders to afford a strong front line.

Defence is, in my opinion, still the best place to conserve budget. The shift for me involves the type of defender I’m going for – it’s now pacy wing-backs over the good ol’ BAP-magnet-dominating centre-halves.

That said, I’m still a little wary.

The trend for wing-backs emerged out of the blue(s) last season and took everyone by surprise.

But football evolves quickly and, this season, teams are certain to adapt, either by teams switching to a wing-back formation themselves, finding ways to counter the threat or by exploiting the spaces that wing-backs can leave defensively.

The days of Alonso and company bombing forward with reckless abandon might not last as long as we hope.

Jonty says…

I’ve heard the arguments for opting for four at the back and they are pretty impressive.

Of those defenders priced at 7.0 or below, 10 achieved scores in excess of 130 FPL points last season. Of these, Chelsea’s Gary Cahill, Marcos Alonso and Cesar Azpilicueta even managed to hit or exceed the 170-point mark.

By contrast, just five similarly-priced midfielders breached the 130-point barrier and none earned more than 149.

The argument in favour of fielding four at the back over 3-4-3 is even greater when considering cheaper strikers, as only Troy Deeney of Watford managed to hit 130 points last time out.

Four at the back makes sense, but I’ve still decided to ignore this compelling evidence and stick to my tried and tested 3-4-3 line up.

A key factor is that I want to minimize the crushing disappointment of waiting in vain for my defenders to keep their clean sheet points. Waiting for a goal to be scored by my player rather than an opponent is much more fun.

Another factor is that flexibility is key early on.

I’m happy to switch to a four at the back formation, but from the off I want more freedom to hop on midfield or striker bandwagons that emerge. Having a squad with two 4.5 midfielders or a non-playing 4.5 striker leaves me with little wiggle room.

Should a playing 4.5 striker emerge, then I’ll consider a switch to four at the back. But until then, I’m happy to wait for a Wilfried Zaha or Charlie Austin goal rather than for the likes of Alonso or Cahill to lose their clean sheet.

Paul Says…

The growing trend for wing-backs could increasingly influence our transfer plans this season – and maybe even force a reassessment of the default 3-4-3 FPL formation.

Chelsea and Spurs’ penchant for three-man defences was followed by Arsenal in the latter stages of 2016/17, while both Manchester clubs and Everton have flirted with the formation this summer.

Essentially, that’s six of last season’s top seven teams potentially playing full-backs further up the pitch.

There’s also the fact that three Chelsea defenders supplied 170+ points in FPL last time.

But let’s not forget that the Blues managed just one clean sheet in their first six fixtures, while Marcos Alonso didn’t start a league match until Gameweek 7.

So initially, at least, I’ll be keeping faith in a three-man backline and adjust accordingly to on-field events as the season unfolds.

Building initial value also plays a part in my thinking here.

Particularly in the early parts of the season, most major bandwagons are typically focused on midfielders and forwards – a clean sheet doesn’t quite turn heads or drive up prices in the same manner that a goal does. I want my money on attackers to begin with.

The opening fixtures for both Southampton and West Brom also favour the tried and trusted approach. Charlie Austin, Manolo Gabbiadini or Jay Rodriguez could be quick to offer value and build on their two-goal showings over the summer.

With two big-hitters alongside in a three-man frontline, I’d prefer to punt on one or two in-form mid-price attackers with favourable fixtures rather than roll the dice on my approach and squad tactics from the off.

Mark Says…

I love the concept of Fantasy managers adapting their own tactics to fit the changes in real-world formations.

Clearly, a three-man defence with wing-backs is being seen as the way forward for many managers and teams in the Premier League, though I’m watchful for a backlash as methods to counter that tactic improve.

In Fantasy terms, I’m not about to move to a back four for Gameweek 1, but I am setting my team up to react and possibly shift once we have more data and information.

However, I fully intend to embrace the trend of investing in big-hitting defenders with my initial squad: I may well opt for both Antonio Valencia and perhaps Marcos Alonso, for example.

For one, they have a very strong opening fixture. But more significantly, they represent an effective way of holding funds that can be easily freed up with a simple downgrade to a team-mate or even a 4.5 alternative.

By downgrading one or even both to lower-priced options, I may just have the cash to move for early attacking bandwagons.

Experience tells me that real value will crop up in midfield. It could be temporary, and in short bursts, so I want a set-up capable of acting quickly when it does.

So 3-4-3 remains for me, but with the funds allocated to allow an easy shift to a 3-5-2 or even a four-man defence should meaningful value crop up in that position.

3,655 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Rubbish
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Kun now highest scorer over first 5 weeks on fffix probability

  2. Captain Roberto
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Is Jesus nailed on?

  3. FPL Maldini
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Which to upgrade?

    A) Fraser --> Zaha

    B) McBurney --> Mounie

    1. GE
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A

    2. Jo72
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A

  4. Jarv97
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Any suggestions on my current team? Thanks

    Cech - Hart

    Kolasinac - Keane - David Luiz - Van Aanholt - Lascelles

    Salah - Zaha - Willian - Winks - Loftus Cheek

    Lukaku - Lacazette - Rooney

    1. Jo72
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Rooney? I guess u should change him

      1. Jarv97
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Got a good feeling about Rooney, otherwise any other suggestions?

  5. ludaslol
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Foster
    Aké Hegazi Cedric
    Allí Willian KDB Pogba Zaha
    Lukaku Jesus

    Elliot, Mitrovic, Mee, Rangel

    Thoughts? Is the D to horrible to even consider or might the midf/strikers make up for it?

  6. GE
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    What about rotating Atsu and T. Carroll as 4th mid? Allows me to upgrade Jesus to Kane.

    Or just stick with Jesus and Ritchie as 4th mid?

    1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Think if you have KDB then no harm in upgrading to Kane - easier to downgrade Kane if he's injured than upgrade if he's on fire

    2. Lebowski85
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      That's a very good idea

  7. Jo72
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Rate my team plz

    Elliot - Boruc
    David Luiz - Reid - Bertand - Mee - Rangel
    Alli - Mane - Willian - Atsu - Gros
    Chicharito - Aguero - Lukaku

    1. Lebowski85
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Swap Luiz for Kola or Bellerin

    2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus might be better bet than Aguero. Gives you a 1m to play with too

  8. Jo72
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Bellerin might not start

    1. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Why?

  9. FPL_DON
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Hegazi gonna play?

    1. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Apparently

      1. FPL_DON
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        cheers!

  10. FantasyMug
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Any advice would really be appreciated...

    Foster (Elliot)
    Alonso/Lindelof/Cedric/(Mee)/(Mariappa)
    KDB/Salah/Ritchie/Fraser/(Carroll)
    Lukaku/Kane/Austin

    1. FPL_DON
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      very similar team! But heard Lindelof not nailed

    2. Jo72
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      If u change Alonso to lets say David Luiz then u might have a better team

      1. nelluckram
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Alonso -> Luiz & Lindelot -> Valencia. Guaranteed to play and basically on the wing. Luiz has some attacking threat still too

  11. Jo72
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    7.0€ is too much for a defender

  12. DeathoftheParty
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Any thoughts please guys? Don't really know if I love it or hate it...

    DDG (elliot)
    Kola, Cedric, Daniels (mee, 4.0)
    Salah, Zaha, Willian, Richie (carrol)
    Kaku, Jesus, Laca

    Many thanks!

    1. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I think Laca will need time to find his feet in the prem.. Jesus?

      1. nelluckram
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Didn't see you already had

  13. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Any solid, nailed 7-7.5 mids? Currently have Willian but getting cold feet. Heard Zaha but not huge fan (honestly not sure why).

    Also is it worth keeping 0.5 in the bank? expecting 2/3 transfers after GW2

    1. Davros
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Lots in that range - take a look at the mid priced mids article

      1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers - thought Arny but not sure about the opening fixtures/Hammers in general

    2. LosBlancos
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Alonso

  14. FPL_DON
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Who do you think will score more?

    A. Jesus

    B. KDB

    1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A

      1. FPL_DON
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Thank you

    2. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      B for me

      1. FPL_DON
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        thanks

    3. Captain Roberto
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Goals or points?

      1. nelluckram
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I assumed points

      2. FPL_DON
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Sorry, should've made it clearer i meant points

  15. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Game of Thrones series 7 episode 4 - Absolute class!

    1. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Wrong website but agreed. Amazing

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        It just had to be said !

  16. Allimortaccivostra
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    RMT 1-10:

    DDG
    Danilo, Bertrand, Daniels, Alex-Arnold.
    Coutinho, KDB, Alli, Ritchie.
    Jesus, Lukaku.

    1. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Good. Going without Kane is so risky though. Maybe Salah instead of Coutinho

    2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Agree with above - also what's your bench like?

      1. Allimortaccivostra
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Rangel, Loftus-Cheek, Mitrovic

        1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Why is Rangel so popular? Would go Ritchie to Carroll and then spend that change on bench

          1. nelluckram
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            No idea. Naughton starting 10/10

  17. Captain Roberto
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Quick question... do West Brom actually have a left back?

    1. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Nyom...right? Brunt also sometimes

      1. Captain Roberto
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah, I wondered about Brunt. Seems to be a jack-of-all-trades who sometimes played left back.

  18. nelluckram
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone else reluctant to pick Ritchie because he trolled a bit 2 years ago?

    1. Freddo
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Yes plus he plays for Newcastle who are a championship team at best.

      All he has going for him is free kicks and pens but so does someone at Palace who costs 1m less.

      1. nelluckram
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Good point. Makes me want Milijowhatever now

        1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Keep switching him in and out - playing as a def so apart from dead ball does he have anything going for him?

          1. nelluckram
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Who's playing as a DEF? Millijo...?

            1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
              • 6 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Yeah I thought so? Might have misread/misunderstood/be imagining things though

              1. nelluckram
                • 8 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                I've never even seen him play. That lessens the appeal. Cheers

                1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
                  • 6 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  FPL Freddie makes a good point below though

                  1. nelluckram
                    • 8 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    Yep

          2. Freddo
            • 6 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            He's 5m, even if he played in MF was you picking him for anything other than free kicks and pens?

            He has nothing going for him other than the dead balls so why does it matter where he plays?

            1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
              • 6 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Fair

            2. nelluckram
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Yeah, true. I've just seen his name a lot on here. Had to find out!

    2. socho
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Completely

  19. Runo
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    What do you people think? Got a couple of split decisions would appreciate your help. (Bracket are planned subs). Thinking long term and fixtures.

    Foster/Fabianski (Elliott)
    Tripper,
    Cedric/Yoshida,
    Daniel/Dawson/Mawson/McAuley
    (Mee, Rangel)

    Alli,
    KDB,
    Redmoud,
    Ince/Ritchie
    (L.Cheek/Carroll)

    Kane
    Gabbiadini
    Lukaku

    1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Foster
      Cedric/Yosh not sure it matters a huge amount - toss a coin and if you're sad at the outcome then pick the other one
      Daniels
      Ritchie I guess>
      Carroll

    2. nelluckram
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I wouldn't go with more than 1 West Brom DEF

      1. Runo
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        What would you go for mate? What is your team currently?

  20. haynes92
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Marks out of 10...

    Foster (Elliot)

    Luiz, Betrand, Danilo, (Lascelles, Rosenior)

    KDB, Willian, Atsu, Milivojevic (Carroll)

    Kane, Lukaku, Jesus

    1. dougy43
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Top side 8 or 9/10

  21. jeolefmo
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    What do you think about this 4-3-3?

    Foster / Elliot

    Alonso / Daniels / Milner / Kolasinac / Hunemeier

    Zaha / Shaqiri / KDB / Carroll / L. Cook

    Kane / Lukaku / Chicharito

    Thanks in advance!

    1. jeolefmo
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      *Not falling for the Firmino / Milner penalty take

  22. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Arsenal s back 5 when all fit please?

    1. Flamini's Black Boots
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Kolasinac
      Monreal
      Koscielny
      Mustafi
      Bellerin

      As much as I'd love to see Holding get the nod if everyone's fit, he won't

      Still think there's a very high possibility that Ox will leave the club

  23. klopptimusprime
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Jesus or Laca (already have KDB)

  24. Oz lotto
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Morning lads! This season has just crept up on me massively as I'm sure it has many of you!

    How is this for a first pop?

    DDG Speroni
    Alonso Bellerin Bertrand Dawson Kaboul
    KDB Mik Ince Fer VLP
    Lukaku Lacazette Rodriguez

    Nil in the bank... thoughts and criticisms?

    1. Schliegs
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Looks good, slightly weak in the mid though.

      I'm also running with Mik and Kaku, do you think it's a safe punt having the both?

      4 at the back?

      Also no spurs could come to get you.

  25. sugarmonster
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Is Francis expected to start for Bou?

    1. Schliegs
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I think he will, has played most pre season

      1. sugarmonster
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Thank you!

  26. Your Mum Zohore
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Rudiger replaced Alonso in yesterday' Community Shield, is the latter a rotation risk now?

    1. dougy43
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Doubt it very much. I think it was purely due to the red card

      1. Your Mum Zohore
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Tactical change then, Alonso was quiet yesterday compared to Cahill and Azpi, think he's worth the extra 0.5?

        1. dougy43
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Gut feeling is yes, but i rate the 1m drop to luiz as stiffer competition for value. I've currently got no chels defenders, if i had one I think luiz would be my pick to release the funds for elsewhere.

          1. Your Mum Zohore
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            great, thanks!

  27. dougy43
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    RMT: Thinking this is how I'll start the season.

    Foster (Elliot)
    Valencia, PVA, Yoshida/Cedric, Holding (Hunemeir)
    KDB, Mkhitaryan, David Silva,(Carroll, Chalobah)
    Lukaku, Jesus, Firmino.

    Thoughts and potential fixes welcome.

  28. KUN_DE_BRU_YNE
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Best 5.5£ mid..which one??
    Suggest please!!
    A)JWP
    B)Fraser
    C)Brady

    1. dougy43
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I like brady and walters this year a lot. C for me but I'm tipping JWP will be the most popular pick here.

  29. haghanim
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    How do you make transfers between players on Draft Fantasy Football? I understand that you cannot make direct transfers, but is there some indirect way (using waivers, free transfers, and the deadlines) of making trades? Cheers

  30. mranonymous
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Do we see Laca being subbed early on a regular basis for Giroud?