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Predicting Performance of the Promoted Sides

Promoted teams are generally cheap resources and sometimes viable options as either the 11th choice player in our starting line up or a useable bench guy.

In order to return good Fantasy points the team either has to have a decent chance of playing well in defence (like Middlesbrough and Burnley last season) or have some attacking capabilities (like Bournemouth and Leicester two in the seasons after their promotion).

I decided to look back at the last five seasons of promoted teams to see what impact the Premier League had on their impressive Championship statistics.

Historical Data

SeasonTeamChampionshipPremier LeagueDifferencePL
GFGAGFGAGFGAPosition
15/16 to 16/17BUR72353955-332016th
15/16 to 16/17MID63312753-362219th
15/16 to 16/17HUL69353780-324518th
14/15 to 15/16BOU98454567-532216th
14/15 to 15/16WAT91504050-51013th
14/15 to 15/16NOR88483967-491919th
13/14 to 14/15LEI83434655-371214th
13/14 to 14/15BUR72372853-441619th
13/14 to 14/15QPR60444273-182920th
12/13 to 13/14CAR72453274-402920th
12/13 to 13/14HUL61523853-23116th
12/13 to 13/14CP73623348-40-1411th
11/12 to 12/13REA69414373-263219th
11/12 to 12/13SOU85464960-361414th
11/12 to 12/13WHU81484553-36510th
Average76443961-371716th

Attacking Performance

What we can derive from the above data is that on average a team will experience a drop in goals scored by around 37. Another way to interpret the data would to look at the percentage that their goals scored reduces, which turns out to be 51% of their prior number.

Applying both of these conclusions to the 2016/17 Championship promoted teams we get the following results:

Championship

Goals Scored

Reduce by 37Apply 51%Average
NEW85484346
BHA74373838
HUD56192924

Now that we have an expectation as to how each team will perform this season, we can determine how this will translate in terms of their fantasy prospects.

Newcastle’s projected goals scored of 46 compares well with Swansea and West Brom from last season.

We know that there were some viable Fantasy players from both of those teams, from midfield there was Gylfi Sigurdsson (4.8 ppm) and Phillips (4.3ppm) and Llorente (4.4 ppm) from the striker bracket. West Brom’s strikers however, were not a good source for Fantasy points.

So we can be cautiously optimistic that Newcastle assets such as midfielder and set piece specialist Matt Ritchie and striker Dwight Gayle can be viable Fantasy assets.

Brighton’s projected goals scored of 38 compares well with Burnley, who were not a good source of attacking Fantasy points last season. As an example, of the players that were there from the start of the season the best record in midfield belongs to Steven Defour with 2.8 ppm. Up front Andre Gray and SamVokes managed 3.4ppm and 3.3ppm respectively. Remember how we were all so optimistic about Gray this time last year?

So confidence in the Brighton attack has to be somewhat tempered, meaning the likes of Anthony Knockaert, Pascal Groß and Glenn Murray need a “Buyer Beware” sticker attached to them.

I’m still optimistic with Groß’s role as their #10, but maybe a wait and see approach is a better course of action to start the season.

As for Huddersfield. Oh dear, 24 goals doesn’t look good at all.

The closest comparison from last season is Middlesbrough with 27 goals. As a ‘Boro fan myself, I can attest that we were not a good source of Fantasy production. Again, this time last year there was optimism for the creative talents of Gaston Ramirez and the top flight experience of Alvaro Negredo, neither of whom turned out to be worthy Fantasy assets.

It therefore seems likely that the current enthusiasm, within the FFS community comments and rate my teams, for the likes of midfielder Tom Ince and striker Steve Mounie is unfounded.

Defensive performance

From the data analysis we can expect the number of goals conceded to increase by either 17 or by about 38%. Applying these assumptions to the promoted teams’ prior season stats we get the following results

Championship

Goals Conceded

Increase by 17Apply 38%Average
NEW40575556
BHA40575556
HUD58758077

Both Newcastle and Brighton had the same defensive record so we can assume they will have comparable results to each other in the Premier League too.

Their projected goals conceded of 56 compares closely with Burnley and Stoke from last season and only marginally higher than Boro.

Burnley’s Heaton (4.3 ppm) and Stoke’s Butland(4 ppm)/Grant (3.8ppm) all provided good PPM last season, with Heaton being top of all keepers that played the majority of games.

This certainly gives us hope that either Magpies stopper Rob Elliot or Seagulls keeper Mathew Ryan can prove to be solid options in goal this year. With 4.0 priced Elliot already having a 15% ownership it appears that many have already seen his potential, albeit as their backup keeper.

As for the defenders, the returns from Burnley were; Michael Keane (3.2 ppm), Ben Mee (2.8 ppm) and Matt Lowton (2.5 ppm), from Stoke the returns were ErikPieters (2.9 ppm) and Ryan Shawcross (2.7 ppm).

We can therefore assume that both Newcastle and Brighton defenders will provide similar returns and could be adequate £4.5 defenders when used in a two or three way rotation.

So that brings the likes of Newcastle’s Florian Lejeune and Brighton duo Lewis Dunk and Markus Suttner into contention. It may take a couple of games into the season to figure out who the chosen defenders are for each side, but once that is known, you can take your pick.

For Huddersfield’s defense the picture looks a lot less appealing. The projected goals conceded is 77 (about two per game) and is comparable with Hull’s 80 conceded from last season. Hull’s first clean sheet last season came in Gameeek 23, surprisingly a 0-0 draw away at Manchester United, followed in Gameweek23 by a 2-0 victory at home to Liverpool. Wonders will never cease.

It’s safe to say that clean sheets should be a scarcity and for that reason I would suggest that their defense should not be considered from the start. If there are signs of significant improvements or they face an exceptional run of easy games, then it may warrant a short term inclusion, but with a significant risk.

75 Comments Post a Comment
  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Thanks for this - certainly made me rethink my Ince move.

    1. tattywelshie
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah I got put off by Huddersfield's poor attacking stats. Richie is the one im going for from the promoted teams 🙂

    2. kennethrhcp
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      i'm still gambling Ince... I usually like a punt on a promoted forward but none take my fancy this year

    3. Whats the Mata?
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Huddersfield looked good in an attacking sense in preseason! 13 goals

    4. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Great angle. Good article.

  2. VFORVANDETA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Andre Gray better pick than Jay Rod?

    1. kennethrhcp
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      yes imo

    2. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      is he nailed?

    3. Lanzini girls just want to …
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      They are both pretty bad

  3. IWR
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    A) Cedric / Heaton
    B) Bertrand / Fabianski

    1. VFORVANDETA
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. Turbolag
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      A

    3. Lanzini girls just want to …
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      A

  4. FFPro
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    "It therefore seems likely that the current enthusiasm, within the FFS community comments and rate my teams, for the likes of midfielder Tom Ince and striker Steve Mounie is unfounded."

    They are both new signings, using stats from when they weren't in the team to rule them out as options seems wrong. They will add goals.

    1. The Butch
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      This

    2. jumpinjeffflash
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Totally agree. Mounie was in a different league (literally!).

    3. firetog
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Time will tell, you're imply that the previously promoted teams didn't also recruit replacements of perceived better quality that the guys that got them promoted. Eg: Negredo was good premiership pedigree, but the service to him was non existent.

      1. jumpinjeffflash
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        But Negredo only scored 9 times in 32 league games for Man City, so he wasn't any good even in a team that DID give him service....

        1. AK ⭐
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          Slightly misleading.

          He played around 1726 mins in that season and got 9 goals. That's a goal every 190 mins. Isn't as bad as it looks when you see the appearances.

  5. Emiliano Sala
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Suttner nailed? Or there's some doubt?

    1. L S P
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      nailed

  6. IWR
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Solid read. I'm staying away from the new sides to start the season.

  7. Garfield1001
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on Danilo? Feel he could be absolute gold.

    Is he too much of a risk? I appreciate that Mendy may take his place but I'm only concerned with first 3 weeks

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      He'll start GW1, after that, I'm not sure.

    2. IWR
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      I'm too worried about rotation.

    3. Bird Raymond
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Definitely worth it for a 3 week punt. I'm doing it.

    4. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      I'm getting him for the first three games then swap once Mandy is back

  8. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Too risky going without spurs attack for 3-4 gws?

    KDB - mane - zaha - Ritchie- Carroll

    Lukaku - Jesus - gabbidini

    Reply
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    1. Outlier
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Not too risky, this looks good

  9. SilkySkills
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Can't help but feel nervous about leaving out Aguero - surely he starts and is on pens?

    1. The Butch
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Nope

    2. kennethrhcp
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      put him in... more regrets not having him if he does well them than having him & doing poorly (go with gut)

  10. Pep says
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Good stuff. There's a great piece on this in the FFMag that would make you want to avoid promoted teams altogether.

    'in a nutshell, over the past 10 season of promoted teams;

    Teams score 37% less goal

    Concede 65% more goals

    Top scorers score 50% less goals

    Top assisters have 56% less assists'

  11. FALCAO & MOU
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    I would like to see your bikini photoshoots. Do you have problems with your guy down there when you do them, how do the models look at it if at all it happens?

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Wrong internet tab, mate 😆

      1. FALCAO & MOU
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Hey, Firetog does bikini photoshoots.

    2. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Lol

      1. FALCAO & MOU
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        I like your name, I would make it 'Ball Bag and a Rope'.

    3. firetog
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      It's a hard life..... http://www.firetog.com

      1. G-Whizz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        but someone's gotta do it 😉

  12. Twisted Saltergater
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Can't believe Lukaku vs Aguero has flipped 180 in the past two seasons.

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Sorry, wrong post..

  13. stachman
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Suddenly my Atsu punt has lost it's shine... Maybe better to trim def and put faith in Ritchie...

    1. Outlier
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Atsu has done well pre-season but I wouldn't read too much into that. Ritchie is the safe bet and looks fairly attractive with Newcastle's opening fixtures

  14. Whazza
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Who the hell is Matt Elliot

    1. firetog
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      I didn't include any first names in the draft submission, FFS added them as part of their editing.

    2. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Can't see a mention of a Matt Elliot in the article maybe this might help 😆

      https://www.google.co.uk/search?newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=Matt+Elliot&oq=Matt+Elliot&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0i46k1j46l2j0l3.3347.3347.0.10145.3.2.0.0.0.0.81.153.2.2.0....0...1.2.64.psy-ab..1.2.153.6..35i39k1.5wpDIW0WpBM

  15. troller
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Suggestions please sure wildcard after gw3

    Elliot
    Cedric jones suttner
    Willian kdb salah rlc/carroll
    Kane lukaku lacazette

  16. Pep says
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Also the only reason Palace conceded less goals during their promoted season was because they hired Tony Pulis after 10 weeks and hardly conceded any goals after that.

    Like you say, promoted teams defenders should not be used to seek out clean sheets

  17. FPL ZB
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Glad I have Atsu, Suttner and Mounie. Could be a disaster.

    That said, is Tammy Abraham not effectively a promoted footballer?

    1. L S P
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      yes, he is effectively a promoted footballer

  18. Ini
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    This is a very good. Thank you for putting this together and sharing.

  19. 007 [RoboKlopp]
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Thank you, it's a very good article.

  20. Oven Glover
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    That's a significant difference in goals scored. Says a lot. Cheers for this 🙂

  21. alfoir
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    A Ryan-Elliot £4.5m-£4.0m rotation pair in the sticks offers a surprisingly good run up to Christmas. Week one you've a choice of Spurs or City at home which isn't ideal, but from week two onward:

    lei/hud, WHU, WBA, STO, NEW, LIV/ars, EVE, CRY, SOU, BOU, STO, WAT, CRY, LIV/che, LEI, EVE, BUR, WAT.

  22. President Giggs
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    How the hell did Huddersfield get promoted based on those numbers?

    1. hannibalos
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      By winning two play-off games in penalties!!

      They went through to promotion by scoring only 1 goal in two games!!!

      1. hannibalos
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        And that one goal was not even scored by them. It was an og, LOL

    2. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      They had a lot of narrow victories (mostly 2-1) and a few heavy defeats.
      Finished 5th, then gained promotion via the play-offs.
      The first team to be promoted with a negative goal difference.

  23. Feyzi
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    This is remarkable and realistic and unless a 4.0 defender or 4.5 midfielder emerges, drifts me into finding alternatives for my team.. except for Lejeune who I am happy to have drafted...

  24. L S P
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    This is great - thanks for doing this.

    Happy to ride with Suttner/Elliot as backups for a bit and see if a MID emerges.

  25. BC1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Great article, thanks.

  26. Mitchacho
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Benteke captain 😉

  27. Forza
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Interesting. It's also worth mentioning that Championship teams play 46 games rather than 38, so goals at both ends will decrease a bit because of that.

    1. firetog
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Very good point. I still think that due to comparing like for like, meaning, all stats are based on the same delta, 46 versus 38 games, the resulting trends should still hold true.

  28. prgmtctchr
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Fancy yourself to create a team worthy of relegation?

    Join the Fewest Points Wins league: 197614-652726

    Use all £100m from Week 1, no transfers or chips allowed after the season begins. Win by scoring the fewest total points by the end of the season (i.e., last place team who follows the aforementioned rules wins). There was a league for this the past few years but it hasn't renewed as of this posting.

    All are welcome to join and spread the word!

    1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Kane ..First name on the team sheet

    2. zazkad
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Sounds like a great idea!

      Anyone know how I can create a second team? or will i need a new email address etc

  29. Bialystrzelec
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    I think this could be my final team. I'd be glad to hear your comments (I'm aware that Trippier and Gayle might not be ready for GW1)

    Foster/Elliot Alonso/Trippier/Cedric/Mee/Dunk
    DeBruyne/Alli/Salah/Phillips/Carroll
    Kane/Gabbiadini/Gayle

    Thanks!

  30. Outlier
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Very good post that will no doubt push those on the fence away from the promoted sides. The only footnote I would add is on Newcastle, who were in the Premier League two seasons ago and now have a manager with serious Premier League experience. Will they fare better than other newly promoted sides on average? It will come down to how much they have improved since they went down, and the morale and current manager will have a big impact on that. Their opening fixtures certainly make it tempting to take a gamble, Ritchie would be the best option and with set pieces and pens looks attractive