Opinion

The Knee Jerk – Gameweek 11 – Sunday

The feast or famine continues for Harry Kane. Backed by 607,000 new owners and 1.4 million armbands for Gameweek 11, the Spurs striker once again frustrated at Wembley Stadium.

We have, of course, been here before.

Kane has been the top captain pick on just two occasions this season: today against Crystal Palace and back in Gameweek 8 for the home fixture with Bournemouth. He returned two points in both matches.

Indeed, Sunday’s blank was his fifth in six “home” fixtures this season, with a brace and 16 points against Liverpool in Gameweek 9 the only respite.

Ordinarily, we can point to Kane’s numbers as reassurance. However, just two shots, with one effort on target against the Eagles is a modest set of figures – his worst of the campaign so far.

The “unexpected” outcome delivered a most satisfying weekend for the 250,000 who opted for the 15-point Mohamed Salah as their captain, or indeed the 800,000 who trusted one of Alvaro Morata, Sergio Aguero or Gabriel Jesus.

Spurs’ leggy display post Champions League, together with a much-changed teamsheet, clearly hindered Kane’s prospects. Perhaps we should have anticipated as much.

However, there’s no denying that the encounter with Palace ticked all the boxes as a favourable fixture. Roy Hodgson’s men were without a clean sheet, with 12 goals shipped in five away trips before today.

Plus, in Spurs’ last two matches that followed European ties – including an away trip to Madrid – Mauricio Pochettino’s attack had twice fired four goals, with Kane earning a brace in both. There was no talk of fatigue on those occasions.

We can clutch at straws and, yet again, try to decipher some data and theories to feed our future decisions on Kane, but the fact is, he almost defies all logic.

When he scores, he has not been restricted to a single goal in a match since the first of two fixtures in Gameweek 37 last season – a strike in a 2-1 win over Manchester United.

A total of 15 goals have come from eight matches. Over those fixtures, Kane has produced huge FPL scores via two hat-tricks and four braces, with maximum bonus points each and every time.

No other forward can match that level of explosive potential. That’s the reason behind his ownership, and why 1.4 million captained him for Sunday’s clash.

We clearly have a choice. We either show resolve and grit our teeth through the blanks, or risk turning our backs on Kane. The alternative is to allocate 12.8 of our budget on a player and not hand them the armband.

Are we really proposing we can consider that idea for home matches against bottom three sides? It’s an option, but it’s not easy to justify.

So perhaps we dare to go without Kane and back one of two Manchester City strikers seemingly locked in rotation. Or perhaps Morata, who suffered a six-match goal drought before today’s header. Or even Lukaku, who has no goals in his last seven outings.

Our confidence in Salah has grown, but is he really at the level where we can trust him with the armband week after week?

These alternatives are hardly convincing. At least, not yet.

That leaves us back at square one.

For all the frustration and rage that Kane creates, he remains a player that is intimidating to ignore and arguably too expensive not to trust with the captaincy.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

2,774 Comments Post a Comment
  1. mrwinner
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Yay or Nay -

    Bavies + Laca > Dann + Kane for -4 (have exact funds). Kane likely to rise to 12.9 before GW12 and will be unable to get him for Laca if he does.

    1. wulfrunian
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      You can still get someone cheaper than Dann.If Dann is your no1 priority then yes!

      1. mrwinner
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Dann (4.7) and Daniels (4.8) are the two main candidates given their goal threat, current value, nailed-on-ness and forthcoming fixtures. Dann edges it for me despite being a Palace player given that his favourable fixtures extend further than Daniels' to 8 weeks. I will wait for Kane to hit 100.0 before doing it in case people sell this week..

  2. Stimps
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Silva -> Sane (-4)?

    I want to catch the rise/drop too so will need to do it tonight

    1. wulfrunian
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      no

    2. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Not for me...but fill your boots.

      Silva is the magic man at City and I love watching him play.

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Just doesn't translate to fantasy imho

  3. AVFCChris1984
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    How important is Total team value, looking to get rid of cedric (whos' gonna drop) and also want Salah (who's gonna rise) is it worth waiting until after the international break to get them but at the extra cost or get them early and take the risk

    1. QuintonFortune25
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      If for free would do it now but for hits would be more cautious

    2. Rik Waller
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Weigh up the risks. Personally I'm happy to lose 0.2 in price changes but if it's more I'll take the early transfers

  4. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Is this WC team too top heavy?

    If so, what to do?

    Pope / Elliot
    Jones / Mee / Duffy / Moreno / Naughton
    Salah / Sterling / Richalison / Gross / Surman
    Kane / Kun / Morata

    0.1 itb, on WC

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      No, I like it.

      Naughtiness is shite.

      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Naughton.

        1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah he's going to maybe Simpson if he drops.

          1. Hibbo
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Swansea stink of relegation basically.

    2. QuintonFortune25
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      No looks great

    3. wulfrunian
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      What's your view on Lukaku?

      1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I might get him for Kun. He will want to start scoring again and a couple of home matches are set up for that.

        1. wulfrunian
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I am thinking the same but it's tough. Man utd don't convince me and Newcastle probably will park the bus.For now my thought is to stay with Kun.

    4. _figu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I like it a lot

    5. Prøfeßör …
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I like it but I'm not sure it's better than a cheap forward draft. It's basically Morata, Gross and Naughton v
      Azpi, Sane and Niasse.

      1. We Will Klopp you
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        This, I prefer the latter, more value in that. Morata beats Niasse obviously but Azpi and Sane massively trounce Naughton and Gross

        1. We Will Klopp you
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Sorry didn't finish my reply*, and if you assume you'll be captaining Kane & Kun/Kaku the majority of the time then there's defo more value in the latter

      2. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I feel like with that option these is less flexibility.

        1. Prøfeßör …
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I think it's a close decision and there is not much in it. Good thing is you can go from one to the other in 3 transfers.

          If anything there is more flexibility, imo. There will always be the need for a premium defender, Sane/ Sterling can be downgraded to Pogba, Ramsey or even Gross if/ when needed. There are players who play in Niasse's price range.

      3. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I think you could be right.

        Pope / Elliot
        Azpi / Jones / Mee / Duffy / Moreno
        Salah / Sane / Sterling / Richalison / Surman
        Kane / Kun / Niasse

        Looks tasty

    6. Jekori
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      It's the best forward line to get atm, so I won't worry about it. For comparison, this is my 3-5-2 WC team, 0.0 ITB:
      Pope / Speroni
      Jones / Mee / Christensen / Gomez / Francis
      Salah / Sterling / Richarlison / Mahrez / Zaha
      Kane / Kun / Murray

      So it's Morata + Gross/Surman vs Mahrez + Zaha/Murray and i've got a Chelsea defender in (Albeit punty)

  5. Maddamotha
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone doubling up on united defence the next few gws?

    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Good tactic

  6. The Suspended One
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    I can afford to get Francis this week and Moreno after without selling

    I really want Daniels but would need to keep Mbemba and play Ward v Arsenal rather than upgrading if I do.

    Should I get weaker depth or just get Daniels and figure it out later...

    1. 32chickens
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Get daniels

    2. Jekori
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I had the same problem. Budget just too short for Daniels. Francis played last 6 or so, even managed a bonus point despite getting booked. Tbh he didn't look great and Smith may offer some competition but since he played this much, their fixtures are awesome and he is as cheap as a starter gets, i went with Francis.

  7. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Best sci-fi film you've seen?

    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Way too open question

      As far as new ones go I really liked Mother, it's like a sci-fi biblical movie

      1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Have you seen looper? Loved that too.

        So underated.

        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          No, I'll have to check it out

    2. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Shawshank.

      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Joke.

        Does Terminator counts as sci-fi?

        1. Hibbo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Terminator 2*

    3. Arctic monkeys
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Interstellar, Arrival

      1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Seen both. Both excellent.

        Loved interstellar.

    4. KingNidge
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Rise of the footsoldier

      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        What's this madness?

      2. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        My life story basically

        1. Hibbo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          😆

    5. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Not sure I've ever watched one.

    6. Third Eye Vision
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Favourite is Robocop. Alien & Aliens are both amazing.

      Favourite one of recent years was Interstellar.

    7. IRBOX ⚽
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Ex Machina

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Really good one!

    8. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      The passion of the christ.

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Not "anti-science" fiction

  8. QuintonFortune25
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Reckon Daniels is worth the extra 0.4 over Francis or Dunk?

  9. Birdman Transfer
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    What would you do with this team?

    Elliot/Fabianski
    Kolasniac/Otamendi/Ward/Kiko/Gomez
    Salah/Silva/Richarlison/Choupo-Moting/Surman
    Aguero/Morata/Lacazette

    2 FT, £0 ITB

    For a hit, I can pull off:
    Lacazette Kolasniac Otamendi > Lukaku Jones Daniels

    But I'd like to hear any suggestions.

  10. Rik Waller
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Elliot Speroni GK rotation?

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Bet you don't even buy Christmas presents.

  11. Judas
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Given Lukaku's poor performance today, are people still thinking of bringing him in?

    Or, do we just get rashford in?

    Next 3 fixtures are so tasty: NEW, BHA, wat

    1. Arctic monkeys
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Those three sides are actually not that easy.

      1. Judas
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        true. Morata safer?

        1. Arctic monkeys
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I have a front three of Kun Morata Kane and not switching anyone of them to get Lukaku.

    2. I Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Not convinced by United atm. Might go without any of their attackers.

  12. _figu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Well, Kane blanked like he keeps doing when I give him the armband.

    Pope | Elliot
    Otamendi | Jones | Ward | Duffy | Fernandez
    Hazard | Eriksen | Salah | Richarlison | RLC
    Kane | Jesus | *Quaner

    Planning to do Quaner -> Calvert-Lewin but I don't think that's necessary quite yet. Jesus to Lukaku was my plan but starting to second quess myself. Obviously that would have to be funded somehow.

    I have 2 FTs and seriously no idea what to do. Any comments appreciated.

    1. justlikehoney
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Otamendi + Jesus > Daniels + Morata

      Would be the move I'd be looking to make. Rest of your team looks good. Notice this move would leave you with no City attackers so maybe Hazard + Jesus > City Mid + Morata would be a better option.

      1. _figu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I want to keep Hazard 🙂 also considering doubling with Morata.

        I have funds to do Otamendi + Jesus > Daniels + Lukaku as well but I don't like how we look without Pogba.

  13. ItOnlyTook9Years
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    What forward line would you go with on a wildcard?

    1. Differential C (Mark)
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Difficult, as there seems to be no consistent striker right now. With Mane back, Firmino's threst just

      1. Differential C (Mark)
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Increades ten-fold. Maybe Firmino-Vardy-Jesus?

        1. ItOnlyTook9Years
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Interesting, I think I'm on Kane, Morata, Abraham/Murray

          1. Differential C (Mark)
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            Murray a nice diffy pick!
            Maybe Firmino-Murray-Kane?

    2. 32chickens
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Kun ,morata and niasse(look at price and points scored in gws)- frees up pool and citeh mids

    3. justlikehoney
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Kane - Morata - King

      1. Royal5
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        King has withdrawn from National duty

    4. Jekori
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Kane Kün Murray

  14. wulfrunian
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Kola owners what we should do?

    1. ItOnlyTook9Years
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      I'm getting rid, especially with arsenal's fixtures

      1. wulfrunian
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        I believe they have big chances getting clean sheets agaisnt Burnley and Huddersfield don't you?

        1. ItOnlyTook9Years
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          I just don't trust their defence enough to be spending so big on it

          1. wulfrunian
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 5 months ago

            cheers.Respected

  15. Differential C (Mark)
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    I'm planning to get in Salah/Mane, but who should I send off?
    A)Hazard
    B)KdB
    C)Sterling

  16. @ocprodigy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

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    Results, results, results!

    ***** SCORES ON THE DOORS *****

    1st - Jimbo_Smells (78pts) [3pts]
    Top 4% - Jaybeebee (75pts), Swish41 (73pts) [2pts]
    Top 10% - Kalmoffit (68pts), Speedyboyzzz (67pts), DrawnToMecca, Lahi (66pts), A Manager Has No Name (62pts) [1pt]

    with Bregg Zit missing out 61pts!

    FFS Scout Picks and Differentials had an absolute shocker. Scoring a combined total of 40pts, the following were also granted bonus points:

    Bregg Zit, AJ24, Ramboros, Marian Kuna Guero, ZoumasBloomers, IanP1970, G-Whizz, Klopp for the Kops, Daniel Levy, Sanchez, MB10, NKHoughton, Apples...Oranges, Urchin-Blindian, Mince n Tatties, Doosra, Reedy, Coldplay, Sully Sonic, Goalosaurus, Eden Wizard, AA33.

    ***** THE LEAGUE STANDINGS *****

    Cheeky jump ahead here...the league standings!

    1st - Bregg Zit (10pts)
    2nd - A Manager Has No Name (8pts)
    3rd - Skloppy Kops, Apples... Oranges (7pts)

    Spreadsheet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyuz31n7ppeccuu/Scout%20Picks%20Challenge.xlsm?dl=0

  17. Ligdon
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Should i do cout to salah for free or bank the transfer

  18. GXNG
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Any likely double risers?

    1. Jekori
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Salah might. Doubt there will be more with lots of WC being played. Jones one to monitor, especially with Otamendi suspended but everyone in here already has Jones.

  19. Gashead9
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    3 very boring transfers planned for -4 next week, but all 3 have to go, what do you think?
    Foster > Pope
    Davies > Daniels
    Joselu > Niasse

    Pope, Elliot
    Jones, Ota, Daniels, Lowe, Mbemba
    Eriksen, Silva, Salah, Richarlison, Carroll
    Kane, Jesus, Niasse
    2.3 ITB

  20. justlikehoney
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone considering Josh King in the medium price striker bracket? Bournemouth next group of fixtures look really good and it seems pretty nailed on as a starting striker and thought he looked good in their last game against Newcastle. I have Kane, Morata and Jesus currently looking to get rid of the latter due to rotation risk and can upgrade and have another premium player in midfield with the extra funds.

    1. GXNG
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Could get rotated as much as any other Bournemouth striker

      1. justlikehoney
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Has played 9 out of 11 games so far, only missing 12 minutes in those games. Seems like No.1 striker to me, although Howe does like to tinker with his team the only two games King missed this season was due to injury.

    2. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Nope

  21. adam28193
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    players i own who i think could well be sold.. Davies, Eriksen, Jesus, thoughts?

    Can do jesus > Lukaku and play mee, naughton and jones and hold eriksen?

  22. AD2110
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Eriksen & Cedric -> Sane & Jones worth it for -4?

  23. Differential C (Mark)
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Having three City player is exciting, but im not sure Im playing this right.
    Who to get rid of
    A)Sterling
    B)KdB
    C)jesus

    1. _figu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Jesus

  24. The White Pele
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Stones & Vardy > Daniels & Morata ( -4 ) ?
    .

  25. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Elliot Fab
    Moreno Jones Kola Francis Mbemba
    Gross Ritchie Carroll Salah Sterling
    Aguero Morata Kane.

    2 frees 0.1 in the bank
    Who to lose and who to get
    Hit me with something.

    1. _figu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Looks solid. No idea what I'd do. Maybe Kola & Mbemba out for likes of Mee/Duffy/Daniels?

      1. DA Minnion (Former great)
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah I think kola goes to Mee and was thinking maybe Ritchie out for Ricky.

        1. _figu
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 5 months ago

          Yea that'd be good use of FT as well. I have Richarlison, he has done well since I brought him in on my gw8 WC. Think he's better option than Ritchie especially now that Newcastle fixtures get tougher.

  26. dhamphiir
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Which midfider will you sell to get some cash to upgrade team?
    A. Eriksen (Have Kane)
    B. Sterling (Have Aguero; might sell for Lukaku)

    1. 32chickens
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Sell kane

  27. Differential C (Mark)
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone see the game last night?
    How was Morata?

    1. GS456
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Superb header. But still looked clumsy to me. His Form is creeping back in though.

      Looks good from GW14 onwards

    2. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Could have had a couple more. I feel he's very frustrating to own. Not convinced by him at all.

    3. Clintymints
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Great should have scored at least 1 more

    4. justlikehoney
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Had a good game, cracking header for the goal and got in another couple of good situations but didn't convert.

    5. mosmof
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Always involved, led the line well, great finish, missed another chance near the end, should have been played in twice by team-mates. Capable of a 12-15 point haul soon.

  28. GS456
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    No Salah really hurt me.

    Best way to get him looks like

    Jesus > Tammy (have sterling)
    Ritchie > Salah (-4)

    Jesus goal making me think twice haha will wait and ride out the Salah price rise tonight.

    But good moves ??

    Gives me Eriksen, Salah. Sterling, Richarlison in midfield, and I bank 1.7 mill

    1. _figu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Idk about Tammy as an option. Many people here seem to like him. I'm looking Calvert-Lewin/Niasse.

      1. GS456
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Seems to be good enough for his price..

        Glen Murray maybe

  29. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Will be playing 4 at the back more often than not. This back 7 good enough to do so for the next month or so?

    Fabianski - Elliot
    Alonso - Jones - Maguire - Daniels - Ward

  30. TerryVenables
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 5 months ago

    Why was Jones subbed so early?

    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      YC and changed to 4 at back

    2. Clintymints
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Change of shape and tactical. Maybe he had a knock but just looked tactical to me. Wasn't having the best

    3. dhamphiir
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 5 months ago

      Manchester United conceded goal and Jones was likely to get another yellow card.
      Might be tactical change

      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 5 months ago

        Went from 3 to 4 at back