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The Burning Question – Would Bale’s Departure Make Van Persie Essential?

Over the last few months of 2012/13, Gareth Bale’s series of explosive displays had finally afforded Fantasy managers a reliable captaincy alternative to the relentless Robin Van Persie. With a goal or assist in 11 of his final 14 league appearances, the Welshman thrived in a central role behind the lone forward in Andre Villas-Boas’ 4-2-3-1 formation and ended the campaign with 14 sets of double figure hauls, averaging 7.2 points per game in Fantasy Premier League (FPL).

Despite a hefty hike in price across the Fantasy games, Bale was a hugely popular pick when the Player Price Lists were released earlier this summer but with Real Madrid determined to prise him away from the Lane, his ownership has dropped dramatically with only a few days left until the season kicks off. Not only would his departure be a bitter blow to Villas-Boas’ plans for the season ahead, it would also hit Fantasy managers equally hard and leave Van Persie as the standout option in terms of reliability once more.

In our next Burning Question article, we ask a handful of contributors if the Dutchman will be impossible to ignore if Bale legs it to La Liga.

Applebonkers says….
I’m personally without Van Persie as it stands, due to fixture and form concerns more than an issue of price. So on that basis, no. Of course, the great appeal of Van Persie is his ability to score against anyone, but my argument is that a goal in each of the first three matches wouldn’t really hurt a non-owner as it costs 14.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) to acquire the United man.

Braces and hat-tricks are the ones which really punish non-owners, though I’m not sure he has the post-Real Madrid form to trump the opening schedule, with trips to Swansea and Liverpool and a home game versus Chelsea in the first three Gameweeks.

Here’s a stat: since RVP notched three times against Chelsea in 2011, 24 hat-tricks have been scored in the Premier League and only two have come against top half sides (Steven Gerrard v Everton and Romelu Lukaku v United). It’s playing the odds in my opinion, no one is fixture proof, simply various levels of fixture resilience. I have to admit, by Gameweek 4 I’d like him, though.

Andy says….
Coming from the Fantasy manager who went 31 of 38 gameweeks last season without Manchester United and Fantasy Football’s top scorer, and won the Scout Contributor’s league (I will brag while I still can!) in doing so, my answer to this question is probably pretty obvious. To me, the notion of the essential and must-have player is nothing but a fallacy. And that even includes Robin Van Persie.

The Dutch forward is arguably the best player currently plying his trade in the Premier League and will surely earn his crust for whichever Fantasy managers decide to hand over the mammoth price tag he has been handed across the Fantasy games. He’s safe, he’s secure, he’s prolific. He’s not essential though.

I’ve written many words in the past to support this claim but it boils down to the fact that I believe you can find alternative ways to spend your Fantasy budget to equal or greater effect. There’s more inherent “danger” involved in veering away from such Fantasy staples but it doesn’t mean you can’t succeed – a theory my 2012/13 season somehow managed to support.

Essentially, he’s not essential. But if there’s ever a good run of games where I think he’ll be the ideal captain choice, I’ll be the first to invest. Getting that armband choice right – or, more importantly, not getting it wrong when those around you get it right – is one aspect I do place a high priority on.

Tinkerman says…
Bale’s departure would certainly deprive us of an immense Fantasy talent and cause a huge rethink of strategy – especially for those whose draft squads currently rely on the Welshman’s explosive yet consistent returns for their weekly captaincy choice.

That said, I still don’t think Bale leaving necessarily makes Van Persie the only safe captaincy option from the start. Granted, we all know his capabilities but, with a wealth of premium midfielders offering high potential, there are plenty of ways to spend the extra budget you’d save by choosing to overlook the most expensive player in the game.

Managers avoiding Van Persie from the start would, however, leave themselves with a quandary should he prove to be the only reliable and consistent captaincy option after a few weeks. It would mean being forced into either spending points on transfer hits or activating the transfer wildcard early on. The option of initially avoiding Van Persie and bringing him in on a Gameweek 4 wildcard is one that has been discussed much on the boards – at this point, cheaper players who offer strong points potential will no doubt have emerged and will allow us to save money elsewhere in order to free up funds for the Dutchman. Since an early wildcard has proven to be a successful strategy for many managers in recent seasons, I think Bale leaving these shores wouldn’t make owning Van Persie from the start a must.

Ryan says….
The main argument for Van Persie’s essential status is that he would be a nailed-on captaincy option. As this is a new season, however, I am of the opinion that other strong armband candidates will appear as the campaign unfolds. The fact that RVP is so expensive almost compels you to captain him most weeks in order to justify his place in your side. This can act as a mental bias in one’s thought process and brings about a barrier which stops you captaining other potentially stronger options. I think it is best not to be shackled to the Dutchman and be more flexible in your armband picks.

Van Persie may not be ‘essential’ but for the conservative manager, his incredible consistency makes him a reliable captain that will still bring home regular points. It might take some time to identify exactly who the best alternative captains are – until that time, Van Persie is a safe option to get you started.

Mark says…
Essential is a big word. I wouldn’t quite go that far but, for my money, Bale’s seemingly imminent departure has undoubtedly raised Van Persie’s stock.

I was all set to overlook him and opt for the Spurs man but now the landscape has changed and suddenly I’m setting up with the Dutchman as the foundation for my team, with the rest of my selections dropping in around him.

The armband is a major concern. Yes, there will be weekly candidates who emerge but few, if any, can get close to the consistency we saw from Van Persie for long spells last season.

I’m well aware that I’ve clung to him like a security blanket and that my faith in Van Persie has cost me dear in the past but I much prefer the idea of starting the season with him and assessing what value is available elsewhere, rather than be forced to carry out major surgery ahead of Gameweek 4.

Of course the early wildcard is the solution but I want to have the choice, not be forced to play it because Van Persie has delivered a goal a game and is about to embark on a run of favourable fixtures.

The fact is, without Van Persie, I’m going into the season without any cover of the Champions’ attack. While Wayne Rooney flirted with the concept of offering an alternative last season, this time around that option looks unlikely. Unless Wilfred Zaha takes his opportunity or Shinji Kagawa cements the support role over Danny Welback, then it really is Van Persie or nothing.

While there are real concerns that David Moyes will struggle to inspire his team to the heights of previous campaigns, I see too much quality in the United lineup to risk overlooking them as an attacking force.

Essential? Not quite. Highly desirable and worth building your squad around? Right now, I really think so.

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  1. Cluub
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Thoughts on this latest draft?

    Migs, Davis
    Coleman, Yoshida, Y-M, Zabaleta, Brayford
    Oscar, Hazard, Walcott, Mirallas, Whittingham
    Benteke, Lukaku, Stur-Fry

    .5 in bank for GW 2 flexibility

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  2. It’s A Joke
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    I have Terry. Why shouldn't I? I had Cole before. Yes, they are both twats but I'm thinking Fantasy Football - who will likely play both games. Surely Terry will as he's captain Of it was Twatsy Football Terry and Cole would both be strong picks. But it's not.

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    1. Mr.Helmut
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      LOL. But seriously, I believe Carlton Cole will play both games

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      1. Mr.Helmut
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        *Ashley O.o

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    2. Iain Dowies Love Child
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Think I'm going for terry as well - feels so wrong

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    3. applebonkers
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      i wouldn't take much notice of the club captain tag, has got people into trouble before. he should start, he seems fully fit now and if so he's still just about one of their 2 strngest centre backs

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    4. Declan-
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      I think he will play both with Cahill getting the first and Luiz getting the second. Strong pick imo. I'm going for him

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    5. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Good pick 😉

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    6. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Disagree on Terry being likely to play both games.

      The MUN game is a big deal, and they have the squad to rotate. He's no longer young enough to play game after game either.

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Not long until the international break, and he's had a whole summer's break. I'm sure he can start all those games, he's not THAT old 🙂

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    7. It’s A Joke
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Cheers, all. So Terry should be safe yeah?

      Anyway, rate my Twatsy Football team:

      Shezney

      Cole Terry Ferdinand Asshole-Akotou Evra

      Wiltshire Cattermole Ben Arfa Pennant

      Suarez Rooney Bentdner

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  3. Scottys Army
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Barring injurys from tonight

    my team for GW1

    Mignolet

    Ivanovic (VC) Mertesacker Coleman

    Walcott Snodgrass Hazard (C) Routledge

    RVP Altidore Sturridge

    a few punts hope it pays off .....

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    1. Tiki-Taka
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Did you have Altidore before tonight?

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      1. Scottys Army
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        yes

        my sunderland pal said he was unlucky in pre season games and looked really sharp

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        1. It’s A Joke
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 10 months ago

          You won't be calling him 'unlucky' if he doesn't do it in competitive games. You'll just be calling him 'a twat'.

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  4. Fenners
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone else seen joey burtons tweet about benteke getting stretched off?

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    1. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      retracted. funny how easy it is to spook the internet

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  5. the axolotl
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    it's annoying me how many people are saying collins is out like it's a fact, after he's missed a friendly.

    or is there concrete news?

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    1. Demí
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      There isn't, just ignore it

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Either way he's in my team for the long haul. I hope he starts though.

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  6. Les Bleus
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    So who are the real essentials people are getting? Bale isn't one of them at the moment is he?

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    1. Pabster
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Personally, I see Walcott and Hazard as the two main essentials.

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  7. Pen_Pal
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Guys what about Livermore at 4.5 as an option tom huddle at 5 is tempting too. Any takers??

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    1. An Púca
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      maybe> I doubt Bruce will start both a few days after they joined

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  8. jas5sk - Youtube channel
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Downing to Westham reaction: https://twitter.com/BBCSporf/status/367249144672301056/photo/1

    ...I, for one, welcome Downing, aka "discount Gareth Bale", to West Ham.

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    1. Mr.Helmut
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Stewart Downing to be a poor man's Ribery next year

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      1. Fenners
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Not to be ignored in my opinion

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  9. LMNO
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Did Walcott limp off tonight?

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    1. Mr.Helmut
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Reports said his left leg dropped off while he was walking off the pitch

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      1. LMNO
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        good job he plays on the right them isn't it

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    2. ...---...
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Yes. He signalled to the bench and was immediately substituted.

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  10. Boomslang
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Where is Doos? I look at this site 5 times a day minimum and have done since 2007/08 season. I personally rank how busy the site is by how many times i see his name in recent comments column. I'm worried. Not seen it for last two days.....or have I just been unlucky in times i've been on here in last few days?

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    1. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Hehe 😆 Don't worry he was on earlier.

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      1. Crouch Potato!
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Don't laugh at him, he'll be stalking you next! 😉

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        1. Reedy
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 10 months ago

          :alarmed smiley:

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    2. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      hopefully he's chaperoning ravel morrisson and keeping him out of trouble.

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    3. Crouch Potato!
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      I think you should be worried! 😉

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  11. Pen_Pal
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    What's the story with boruc? Is he nailed on??

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  12. Piggs Boson
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Can someone please confirm for me that Walcott's head did indeed fall off at the end of the match?

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    1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Yep. Sh*t happens.

      Hazard also lost an arm.

      Abandon bandwagon asap get ramires/wilshere.

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    2. Pabster
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      It didn't fall all the way off. Just mostly off. There's a risk that if he plays on Saturday it will fall completely off, so I think he'll be rested.

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    3. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      It's OK he looked like he could run it off

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    4. Mr.Helmut
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Yea, I saw that while he was walking to the tunnel, it rolled off his head

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      1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        His head rolled off his head? Wtf.

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        1. Mr.Helmut
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 10 months ago

          Yea it was that scary

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    5. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      yes it did, but the rest of his body was put on ice and they hope to be able to reattach successfully, just like last time

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  13. teddy.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Hey ffeeps,

    For what it's worth here's my current line-up:

    Boruc
    Coleman Brayford Ward
    Hazard(c) Oscar Ramires Walcott
    RVP Sturridge Anelka

    Mannone Snodgrass Luna TaylorS

    How d'ya like them apples!

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    1. Cluub
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Your defense is light and I'm not super keen on Ramires or Anelka, but alright.

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    2. Mull
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Good
      Good, OK, OK
      Good, OK, Bad, Good
      Good, Good, OK

      Bad, Bad, Very Bad, Meh

      Upgrade keepers to Mig and 4m
      I'd want better defenders e.g Cole and Mertesacker/Kos
      Get rid of Ramires ASAP.

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  14. ANTWANN
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Team 2 all day long,

    soldado and giroud will score more than RVP and anelka, would maybe change lampard, not guaranteed a lot of playing time these days, save 1.5 and get snodgrass, then you could improve subs or gk?

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  15. spotfixers
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Any decent 4.5 mid likely to start?

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    1. Declan-
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Jedinak, Lucas and Williams should start. Don't expect more than 2 points though

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    2. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      morrisson and barkley are decent left field shouts. by no means definite starters though

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  16. Feed tha Sheep
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Best 4.5million def

    a. Turner
    b. Collins
    c. Another 4.5 def

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    1. Just One More Thing
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Have both A & B at present and will have to bench one...

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    2. Feed tha Sheep
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Also best 5million def
      a. Toure (have Migs)
      b. Dawson
      c. Coleman
      d. Bassong
      e. Williams

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  17. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Who would you pick out of

    Walcott and Altidore
    Coutinho and Rodriguez
    Sliva and Lambert

    Any help would be appreciated

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    1. Smakies
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      walcott
      coutinho
      lambert

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    2. Just One More Thing
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Wal & Alt

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      1. Just One More Thing
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Or if you mean one from each: Walcott/Coutinho/Silva

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    3. Feed tha Sheep
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      c

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    4. v12w12
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      S and L

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    5. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Walcott and Altidore?

      How's that a fair matchup?

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  18. Lord Flashheart
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Jrod or anelka? Sissoko or Morrison (WBA)

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  19. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    RVP returning to the site of his attempted murder this weekend, do we think he'll rise to the occasion or will he be too haunted by flashbacks?

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    1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Hahaha

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    2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Hs won't be risked with Williams knocking about.

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    3. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      if he scores he should lie down on the pitch and another player draw a chalk murder-scene outline around him. then he gets up and a 3rd player pretends to take a photo of it

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    4. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Haha. Maybe he should don a Cech-style helmet to guard against further attempts on his life.

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    5. Declan-
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      He will score two and make all of the doubters on here get him. I would prefer he did nothing though as I won't have him until week 2. Hopefully I can get him at 13.8 🙂

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  20. v12w12
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone know who rotates well with Norwich?

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    1. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      If memory serves WBA do. Think I was looking at Anelka/Snod rotation at one point...

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      1. v12w12
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers mate.

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      2. Jimmers
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        West Brom rotate with Villa

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    2. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Stoke

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  21. PB-THE-VET
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Can i get a rmt for gw1

    Migs (4mil)

    Terry coleman brayford (chester ward)

    Hazard(c) lampard couthino miralles (thomas)

    RVP Lambert Berbatov

    Plan is terry > collins for gw 2 then lampard to best 9.5(walcott probs)

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  22. The Rock
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    RMT:

    Speroni, McGregor
    Luiz, Zabaleta, Toure, Coleman, Vlaar
    Mata, hazard, Mirallas, Downing, Koren
    RVP, Anelka, Chamakh

    1m in the bank.

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    1. Just One More Thing
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Expensive defence which compromises your front-line; Downing in the middle?;

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    2. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Weirdest gk combination I have see so far. Why not boruc?
      Luiz likely injured
      Downing is likely crap
      And anelka and chamakh together make me want to throw a coin in your hat.

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    3. An Púca
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      will Koren's time be affected by the Spurs pair?

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  23. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    So tempted using those 0.5m Cashley to Terry. Hmmmmm..... I started 5 from 6 seasons with Cashley. Feels like tradition

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      If you think terry will start both I would go terry (and I have).

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    2. Just One More Thing
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      I reckon Terry will get the nod in both, but am going with Cech...

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  24. Mr.Helmut
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Are those reports true that Anelka is going to score 4 goals against Southampton?

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    1. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Each half.

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      1. Mr.Helmut
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks man, I needed to make sure

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    2. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      twitter rumours

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    3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      No. 8.

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  25. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone keep being told they can't post a message because they need to be logged in? At the top right it says I am logged in so what gives?

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    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Yep, keeps showing no replies on the article too... annoying

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        ok thanks, I thought perhaps it was like one of those dodgy fake requests and only on my computer where it was linking somewhere else and when you login someone can see your login details.

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  26. Rui
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Which two Chelsea for the DGW?

    A) Terry
    B) Lamps
    C) Lukaku

    Cheers!

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    1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      A+C imo

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    2. Declan-
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Terry and Lukaku

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    3. Just One More Thing
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      A & C

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    4. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      A & B 😉

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  27. Sulk
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Who would you have for gw1 if you were WCing?

    I've got

    Cech

    Kompany Enrique toure

    Santi wally hazard tonev

    Lukaku benteke giroud

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  28. nevins84
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    Highest scoring 4.5m DEF for DW1

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    1. Sulk
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Peze

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      1. Sulk
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Stupid spell check. Luiz

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        1. nevins84
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 10 months ago

          4.5?

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    2. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      A villa defender after the 0-0 against Chelsea

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    3. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      lucas(3 points)

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      1. Optimus.
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        mis read..collins

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  29. adp1113
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    A) Silva + Dzeko

    B) Mirallas + Sturridge

    C) Coutinho + Lambert

    D) Coutinho + Dzeko

    E) Silvae + Lambert

    HELP!

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    1. Cluub
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      B

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  30. SH1M1
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 10 months ago

    I think i may have asked this question before, but ill ask it again, who will score more points, Lukaku Or Cech ?

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    1. SH1M1
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      *In DGW Obv

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      1. An Púca
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 10 months ago

        Lukaku,,,,fingers crossed!

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    2. PB-THE-VET
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 10 months ago

      Lambard 🙂 from penos

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