The Dugout Discussion – Monday

Nine down, one to go as Swansea welcome Hull to the Liberty and hand us some Monday night football to sink our teeth into. Michael Laudrup’s side have offered Fantasy managers a strong source of points at both ends of the pitch in front of their own fans – three of the last four home games have produced a clean sheet and three goals or more for the Welsh outfit:

Jonjo Shelvey’s 14-point haul in the previous Gameweek saw the former Liverpool man earn himself over 161,000 new owners prior to the weekend deadline, though with Curtis Davies back on board after serving a one-match suspension, the Tigers will be hoping to turn in a resilient display.

The big news is that Michu is fit and available to lead the line for the hosts after recovering from ankle and knee problems. He replaces Alvaro Vazquez up top in one of three changes by Laudrup, as Gerhard Tremmel and Nathan Dyer come in for Michel Vorm and Alex Pozuelo. Robbie Brady drops out for the Tigers after a series of disappointing displays since returning from injury.

As always, our Dugout Discussion chatroom remains open right through to the final whistle.

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SuperOsçarBaby
10 years, 5 months ago
just 4 points from voldermolt? i expect more!!
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1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
  10 years, 5 months ago
  he could have been off, so ill takem to the bank thansk very much
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2. Wild Rover
  10 years, 5 months ago
  He was absolute shite.. worst delivery ever. Hit the first defender with three successive corners at one point and the assist should have been ruled. You should feel lucky!
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  1. Wild Rover
    10 years, 5 months ago
    *ruled out
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  2. SuperOsçarBaby
    10 years, 5 months ago
    at least he's on set pieces 😉
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Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
10 years, 5 months ago
i shouldn't get rid of amalfitano for a hit because he is dropping, right?
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1. Chris_White
  10 years, 5 months ago
  correct
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kalmoffit
10 years, 5 months ago
I want both. I can have only one. Silva or Walcott?
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1. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Silva.
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2. Chris_White
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Silva
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3. SuperOsçarBaby
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Wally
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  1. kalmoffit
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Damn, this is difficult. If Silva wasn't about to drop I couldn't afford him, and the problem would have gone away. Leaning towards Walcott though, as I took a 4pt hit to buy Silva just before he got injured.
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rozzo
10 years, 5 months ago
This might sound stupid but how nailed on is lukaku? Close to 100%? I noticed the commentators noting how much running lukaku does, will tiredness become a factor? Surely martinez isnt going to give jelavic a start is he but no one saw the bendtner suprise
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1. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  He is bound to get a rest at some point. Not now though.
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Bubz
10 years, 5 months ago
Anybody else hoping RVP's injury flairs up again so Rooney can boss Villa all on his own?
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1. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Yep!
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2. Parm
  10 years, 5 months ago
  I'm hoping the duo kick start their partnership soon, 1 1/2 years together and we haven't seen as much chemistry between them as was expected upon RVP's arrival.
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3. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
  10 years, 5 months ago
  yes , hard to see what rvp will do to rooneys point scoring potential
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Parm
10 years, 5 months ago
Do I start Brady(STO) over Whittingham(WBA)?

IF Brady starts i'd fancy him to outscore Whittingham, but that's a big if....
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1. Chris_White
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Whitts
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2. SuperOsçarBaby
  10 years, 5 months ago
  whittingham all day long
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3. Colonel Shoe 肝池
  10 years, 5 months ago
  its a big if parm, id start whits
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4. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
  10 years, 5 months ago
  whitney
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5. Parm
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Cheers all.
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6. droginexile
  10 years, 5 months ago
  reckon brady was dropped tonight as bruce wanted to keep things tight away, he will start at home to Stoke surely. A game hull should be looking to win not just hoping not to lose
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Bielsa's Blue Bucket
10 years, 5 months ago
Should I just do Flanagan -- Distin and Brady -- Redmond now for free or wait to see how CL goes regarding injuries?
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1. droginexile
  10 years, 5 months ago
  wait, silva and giroud both dropping tonight....
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Barry Woj
10 years, 5 months ago
GWR updated. 74 = 16k.
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enrico.palazzo
10 years, 5 months ago
A good week, but i think i need to sort out a few players, any advice?

Myhill (Boruc)

Burner - Terry - Mert
Ozil - Ramsay - Ravel - Coutinho
Lukaku - Suarez - Aguero

Brady, chico, clyne

0.5 INB 2 FT

Very glad i saved my FT as this needs some sorting out, Is clyne due back soon?
I think i want to do Boruc > Howard, any advice how to do it, happy to take a hit

thanks!
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1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
  10 years, 5 months ago
  why not do clyne to distin and bench mert
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  1. enrico.palazzo
    10 years, 5 months ago
    need more keeper options, but not a bad idea
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Woy of the Wovers
10 years, 5 months ago
So, weekly average up 3. My score +8. Weekly rank +400k. Thin margins this week.
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1. copps
  10 years, 5 months ago
  in the top 10k 1 point can seperate 1000 people. its crazy.
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  1. Woy of the Wovers
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Surely not.
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FACUPARSE
10 years, 5 months ago
If Vlaar doesn't start are the majority of Rooney owners captaining him? Baker, Herd, Lowton and Clark in defence is abysmal
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1. SuperOsçarBaby
  10 years, 5 months ago
  I'd captain Aguerooooo, easy opponent this gw
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  1. FACUPARSE
    10 years, 5 months ago
    If we go by current form i'd captain any Palace against Chelsea (Stoke :lol:)
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2. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
  10 years, 5 months ago
  we may not know by sat morn if he is or isn't playing
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Colonel Shoe 肝池
10 years, 5 months ago
holy crap, my gw rank went from 300k to 150k due to 6 points

it really was a narrow normal distribution curve this week
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1. Venom Snake
  10 years, 5 months ago
  I went from 800k to 170k
  380k overall, slowly but surely!
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  1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    10 years, 5 months ago
    aye its a marathon not a sprint and all that 😎
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Venom Snake
10 years, 5 months ago
Team for GW 16;

Howard
Chester - B. Turner - Ridgewell
Nasri - Oscar - Ozil - RavMo
Lukaku(c) - Rooney(vc) - Suarez

---- Barkley - Vlaar - Chico

Someone give me some good news on oscar please.
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1. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Oscar is married to his childhood sweetheart, Ludmila, who is of Japanese descent.They regularly show their relationship via Instagram.
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  1. SuperOsçarBaby
    10 years, 5 months ago
    ruled out this gw?
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  2. Venom Snake
    10 years, 5 months ago
    That's beautiful
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jonnybhoy
10 years, 5 months ago
League points updated
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1. copps
  10 years, 5 months ago
  not all leagues are, they are done at different times
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  1. jonnybhoy
    10 years, 5 months ago
    league points, not the actual leagues
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Gimli son of Gloin
10 years, 5 months ago
Best midfielder, 7.9 to spend?
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1. Kostja
  10 years, 5 months ago
  im looking at Mirallas until Jan, but I have been wrong on most things this season. Ramsay is probably the obvious answer
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  1. Woy of the Wovers
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Ramsey IS the answer. Mirallas is a solid 1pter.
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2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
  10 years, 5 months ago
  hmm hardly anyone in that 6-8 bracket ...... whats the rest of the team like
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3. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Schurrle for a short term punt.
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Ludo
10 years, 5 months ago
Up 530k places in the space of a week - that's more like it! 😀
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Elniñorules
10 years, 5 months ago
Overall Rank updated

Avg 40
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1. Woy of the Wovers
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Average score is useless now.
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Punty
10 years, 5 months ago
Sterling very good option soon, getting confidence and nice fixtures after christmas, im gonna swap coutinho for him. Will outscore most mids under 8 if he keeps place
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Somalion
10 years, 5 months ago
With Ravel playing Sunderland and Brady playing Stoke I may not bother bringing someone in for Stevie G just yet (it would be for a hit anyways...)
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1. bmb100
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Brady looks to have lost his place
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  1. Somalion
    10 years, 5 months ago
    So it seemed although I suspect he has had on going injury issues and was given the rest.
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2. droginexile
  10 years, 5 months ago
  the RMT tool on here tells me to bench walcott and play morrison this week. Il probly bench brady now though and play the other two
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Cheeseoid
10 years, 5 months ago
Ha ha. Broken into the top 20k for the first time this season
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1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
  10 years, 5 months ago
  wow, miles above me, kudos
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  1. Cheeseoid
    10 years, 5 months ago
    It has taken 10 weeks of green arrows from a shoddy start
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2. chandramouli
  10 years, 5 months ago
  same here, ranked 18k... all thanks to chico flores..
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  1. Cheeseoid
    10 years, 5 months ago
    In Chico we trust (apart from next week)
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Pedram
10 years, 5 months ago
Play GJ or Ravel next week ?
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1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Rav, i'm selling my pool defender, see below
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r0nh
10 years, 5 months ago
59 points & a red arrow?!

F**k off FPL 👿
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1. Arctic monkeys
  10 years, 5 months ago
  59 pts and a green one 😀
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2. copps
  10 years, 5 months ago
  this season is really weird. a top 300/400k gameweek rank can mean a drop in overall rank, i dont remember that happening so often
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  1. Cheeseoid
    10 years, 5 months ago
    I think this large distribution of baps is to blame. Everyone is getting higher points this season because of it
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  2. Smarty Pants
    10 years, 5 months ago
    this is because of the crazy Suarez captaincy rates up top
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3. Woy of the Wovers
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Small green for me with same score. Guessing your red is minor loss which is as good as no move.
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Bielsa's Blue Bucket
10 years, 5 months ago
Sorry for the repost lads.

Flanagan -- Distin and Brady -- Redmond for free worth it now or wait till the CL in case of injuries?

Thanks and good night 🙂
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Voodoo
10 years, 5 months ago
Guys, who's my best replacement for Vidic:

A) Coleman
B) Distin (save cash)
C) jaglieka
D) Evans
E) Debuchy

Here's my defence now:
Howard, Turner, Clyne, Terry, Vidic, Collins
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1. jonnybhoy
  10 years, 5 months ago
  c
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Twisted Saltergater
10 years, 5 months ago
René Meulensteen's Fulham

Early days, but René looks like he may favour a 4-3-3, opting for the solidity of Parker, Sidwell and Karagounis in midfield. Against Villa, Fulham played with width; both Riise and Riether averaging a higher position on the pitch than Sidwell and Parker in the middle. Up top, Berbatov has a free role and is allowed to drop deep to collect the ball, while Kacanaklic and Dejagah give him options with inside forward runs and offer pace in behind. Both wingers took up a more advanced position than Berbatov on average, .

http://espnfc.com/uk/en/gamecast/367345/gamecast.html?soccernet=true&cc=5739

My pick (and for those looking for a Brady replacement) is:

Dejagah

- priced 5.1m (starting price 5.5m)
- just back from injury, started the last 2, averaging 4 PPG.

Kacanaklic comes in at a more wallet friendly 4.6m but may be competing for pitch time with Damien Duff.
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1. Kostja
  10 years, 5 months ago
  lovely, something to keep an eye on for sure
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2. Woy of the Wovers
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Couple of games in maybe but for Xmas break. The other options are Berbatov and Sidwell but it would be a brave manager to get Berbatov.
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  1. Twisted Saltergater
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Indeed. I originally was looking at Sidwell as Sky Sports had him playing in the hole behing Berbatov, but looking at the average positions, Rene played quite an orthodox 433, perhaps matching up with Villa man for man.
    
    Dejagah has a 24.5 ICT index over the last 2 gameweeks (that's the only sample I can take). But it is bettered only by the usual suspects. 😉
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3. 7shadesofsmoke
  10 years, 5 months ago
  GW18 for me. Thanks mate!
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  1. Twisted Saltergater
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Yeah, me too! Was wondering if I should bring him in now as I have Ramsey, Walcott, Hazard and Nasri and expect some rotation soon.
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t4thomas
10 years, 5 months ago
Please can someone with a sub 100K rank give me some advice on this little lot:

mignolet, lewis
mertesacker, johnson, distin, fonte, chester
hazard, ramsey, sessegnon. de guzman, jedinak
suarez, aguero, rooney
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1. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Oops.
  
  speroni... not mignolet
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2. jonnybhoy
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Mig to Howard
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  1. jonnybhoy
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Or if you can't afford that since you have Speroni get Coleman for Johnson
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    1. t4thomas
      10 years, 5 months ago
      0M... I think I am 0.1M short.
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3. copps
  10 years, 5 months ago
  only problems i see is sess, de guzman and jedinak. double liv defence is a bit risky with their fixtures and defensive form.
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  1. t4thomas
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Yes, made a mistake. July have g.johnson.
    
    Speroni in goal.
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4. Barry Woj
  10 years, 5 months ago
  anything in the bank? I don't like Sess, De Guz or Jedinak. FTs or not?
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  1. t4thomas
    10 years, 5 months ago
    No FT. 0M.
    
    I don't mind waiting a week... Just stuck on general direction.
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    1. Barry Woj
      10 years, 5 months ago
      Need another good midfielder in there I think, the more expensive the better. Fonte and De Guz can free up some cash to work your way towards a heavier hitter.
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      1. t4thomas
        10 years, 5 months ago
        Thanks.
        
        It is genuinely appreciated.
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5. Somalion
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Ah see you have excluded me since I'm not below 100L. All I can say is that the defence is okay, too muck Liverpool. The midfield is a disaster.
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  1. t4thomas
    10 years, 5 months ago
    Lol. Please comment... Just being controversial.
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    1. Somalion
      10 years, 5 months ago
      Sess, De Guzman and Jedinak need to go. As does Glen Johnson.
      
      Bring in a cheap 5th mid such as Brady/Morrison/Howson/Fer/Anyone in the price range for Jedinak.
      
      Glen Johnson -> Gabbidon.
      
      Sess -> Someone better, you should have the money now to swap to Hazard/Oscar/Yaya/Ozil.
      
      Then De Guzman can be fixed with the remaining money.
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      1. t4thomas
        10 years, 5 months ago
        Thank you.
        
        It's much appreciated.
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        Somalion
        10 years, 5 months ago
        My pleasure!
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6. t4thomas
  10 years, 5 months ago
  So, sess, de guzman and jedinak... Too?
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McSauce
10 years, 5 months ago
How did michu look tonight???
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1. enrico.palazzo
  10 years, 5 months ago
  not very good. Still looked slow and injured
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2. Bubz
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Rubbish
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Total Foot 5 - romario 11
10 years, 5 months ago
Evenin; Gerrard update, anyne know w/ certain degree of certainty when gerrard is bak?

saw in this website injury news that exected bak
15/12/2013?
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1. Punty
  10 years, 5 months ago
  6 weeks
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2. Somalion
  10 years, 5 months ago
  At most 6 weeks so sometime in January.
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  1. Total Foot 5 - romario 11
    10 years, 5 months ago
    thx. Need to drop him for Oscar. any news on OScar back this gw?
    or have to wait tull fri..
    
    other wories is Migs and Remy nad want to keep it at most a hit -4.
    should i do which f these:
    
    1--gerrard > oscar, mirallas,oviedo,redmond,silva,wally
    2--remy > rooney or lukaku
    3--migs > howard
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    1. Somalion
      10 years, 5 months ago
      Hmmmmmmmm
      
      Migs > Howard is grand but you might find they concede this week anyway.
      
      Remy has a nice fixture, I wouldn't lose just yet.
      
      Stevie G > Oscar or Silva (or Hazard if you have the money.)
      
      But keep an eye on here, not sure if Oscar is back yet, Silva looking like he may return soon though.
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      1. Total Foot 5 - romario 11
        10 years, 5 months ago
        yep got haz.
        these wer the ones i was thinking. just posted it on site.
        
        1--FT remy > Rooney
        2--FT remy > lukaka
        3--FT gerrard > Oscar,Wally,Silva,Redmond,or Fer
        
        4--Hit -4 option 1 or 2, + Colback (5th mid) > Oviedo
        5--Hit -4 option 1 or 2, + Clyne > Distin
        6--Hit -4 option 1 or 2, + Migs > Howard
        
        7--Hit -8 option 1 or 2, + Two options of above, mayb 3 & 5
        
        Migs - Boruc
        Terry - Williams - Ward - Clyne - Baker
        Haz - Ramsey - Gerrard - Ravel - Colbak
        Suarez - Kun - Remy
        1ft 3.9 ITB
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        Total Foot 5 - romario 11
        10 years, 5 months ago
        thx
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Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
10 years, 5 months ago
still undecided on [c] for the weekend

rooney - up against a poor defense, could be on pens and fk's if rvp is rested/injured again
suarez - in form , will have pens and fk's but could struggle against spurs but could also run dawson ragged all game
hazard - up against palace which is a favourable fixture. may have pens if lampard if not playing. may also be rotated by jose. could struggle against pulis' defensive strengths
aguero - up against inform opposition but has a great record at home this season. also on pens
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1. droginexile
  10 years, 5 months ago
  You could probably include Lukaku ths week as well, Fulham dont play away, everton are flying and lukaku can pull assists out of his ass
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Uncle Gamst
10 years, 5 months ago
Rooney or Lukaku for Giroud?

Do it now before price changes or take the hit and wait until CL matches over as I presume Giroud, RvP and Rooney will play and things might become clearer?
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1. jonnybhoy
  10 years, 5 months ago
  Lukaku
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