Opinion

The Burning Question: How much stock should we put in pre-season?

With a busy summer of pre-season friendlies behind us, Fantasy managers have been given plenty of hints on potential formations and starting XIs for Gameweek 1.

Manchester United’s summer schedule has afforded a fair indication as to where Memphis Depay and Wayne Rooney will be deployed. There’s also form to consider, with Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling demonstrating plenty of pace and menace over the summer, while Christian Benteke signalled his intent with a debut strike for Liverpool ahead of their opener with Stoke.

With all this in mind, we ask the “Burning Question”: how much stock should we put in pre-season?

Simon March (FPL winner 2014/15) says…
Pre-season is a better indicator of some things than others. For example, it can offer guidance on a manager’s favoured line-ups and formations, which, as we get closer to the season start, tend to become less experimental and a more reliable view of how that team will actually play. Of course, there are several potential agitators to even this information, such as the player fatigue that follows international tournaments or the open transfer window. These need to be taken into account when judging the reliability of what we see in pre-season.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that not all pre-season matches are created equal. There’s a big difference between exhibition clashes on a tour and more competitive matches such as the Europa League qualifiers or the Community Shield. The latter type of fixture is, we would assume, a manifestation of what a manager perceives to be his best available XI, playing in their best formation and, therefore, should be better indicators of what to expect going forwards.

The reliability of pre-season performances as a barometer of player form is even more difficult to assess. This is partly because of the fleeting nature of form itself but, also, because a player’s performances cannot be viewed in isolation. For example, Raheem Sterling scoring a brace in a recent friendly sounds encouraging, until you see that the opposition was the Vietnam XI. There’s a danger that we only look at part of the information and become subject to that old enemy of Fantasy managers; confirmation bias. Again, the quality of the opposition and the competitiveness of the fixture are key considerations.

Given the apparent unreliability of much of what it demonstrates, it’s tempting to write-off pre-season form altogether but I don’t think it is always entirely misleading. Where it seems to fail us most is when it comes to ‘bargain-hunting’ (I’m looking at you Mauro Boselli and Danny Graham) but, even during the main season, it is the form of budget players that tends to be the most transient. Where I think pre-season displays can be somewhat more indicative is when it’s being demonstrated by a previously proven FPL performer, preferably against solid opposition. Last season, for example, Aaron Ramsey followed-up a strong pre-season with two goals in his first couple of fixtures.

Overall, pre-season form offers a small set of mostly unreliable data and, for those reasons, should not be the principle influence on our selection. But that doesn’t mean it’s totally meaningless. Rather it’s a matter of viewing the overall context, picking out the more reliable indicators and using these, and only these, to inform our choices.

D1sable says…
For me, there are two important things to take from pre-season. The first concerns a player’s level of fitness. Has he had the minutes to be at his best? Is he likely to start the season after summer exploits? These can surely give an indication if the player is likely to start, which surely is the single most important factor in Fantasy Football.

Secondly, how are the team lining up? Is their new signing being shifted up into the front three? Is he taking a share of set pieces? These can give indications of potential for sure, though, on the other hand, if a full squad isn’t available for selection, it can also be a little misleading, so some research is recommended before diving in.

Aside from these two points, I genuinely think pre-season form matters very little, given that so many opponents are far from the calibre you’d expect to find in the Premier League.

Applebonkers says…
Pre-season is all we have for a month so, admit it or not, it chauffeurs our attentions from player to player. Wigan’s Mauro Boselli is the obvious example of a player to shine in pre-season but fall flat in the Premier League. Arguably, Jozy Altidore’s international hat-trick for USA four days before the season started carries the most guilt.

So the only time “form” plays any part now is as part of the word “formation”. With four new managers, an obscene amount of summer signings and a trio of promoted sides added to the mix, there are lots of unknowns, which the final friendly specifically provides some insight into. That insight should be limited to starting place and starting position, though. Past knowledge of the player and future hunches should do the rest.

Jonty says…
Pre-season is littered with traps, with squad players shining brightly on a Tuesday night against Gravesend, Burton Albion or the best XI Vietnam can muster, only to be dropped when the season gets underway and they have to face proper Premier League opposition.

I gain little knowledge from a player scoring against minnows in a friendly but that is not to say pre-season is not without its uses. The schedule of friendlies can be useful to clarify existing ideas about players. With a good summer under his belt, I go into 2015/16 with high hopes that Mesut Ozil will do well. Pre-season has shown me that he has the manager’s support and is delivering against some top sides, as well as some lesser ones.

In contrast, I’m still unsure as to whether Wayne Rooney, Memphis Depay or Juan Mata will be the best Manchester United option and the summer matches haven’t helped either. The Red Devils have looked brilliant and laboured in equal measure of late, which has offered me little guidance. I’ll most likely go for Rooney as a seasoned performer.

Each year I tend to stick with players in my Gameweek 1 squad who have delivered for me in previous years and have favourable fixtures, such as Rooney. A good or poor pre-season performance can help with such decisions, but rarely do they dictate them.

Evs says…
Fantasy managers need to carry out some pre-season research, particularly to understand where or when a new signing will fit into already established teams. I often use the last match prior to the season getting underway as a good indicator, as most coaches tend to give their starting team a trial run before the big kick off.

Obviously we need to be careful of a big or expensive signing and jumping to conclusions that he may take the place of an already-established player. A cracking example of this was Filipe Luis last year, who failed to make an impact for Chelsea in the Premier League.

New signings can always be a gamble based on summer form. For every Michu, the Swansea midfielder who carried his form into the Premier League, there is a Mauro Boselli, who has become synonymous for failed pre-season punting.

Mark says…
I always love to at least try to put some emphasis on pre-season form. I think this is natural because, having gone to the trouble of tracking player progress for behind-closed-doors training matches and Tuesday night trips to Exeter, I want some kind of pay-off for my efforts. I want to take a punt on a player with strong pre-season form to justify my toils in maintaining lists of teamsheets, goals and assists when others, including some notable players, are reclined by a pool.

In reality, history has taught me that putting too much stock in that striker who scores a glut of summer goals is dangerous.

Having said that, with fitness analysts at play in every club, there’s no doubt that Premier League managers have their players tracked meticulously during this spell. The minutes spent on the pitch are logged and analysed and only 11 players who have proved their fitness will cross the line in Gameweek 1. With this in mind, we have to take notice and use the information gleaned as a guide to our own decisions.

For me, two players stand out and their performances in pre-season has convinced me that I have to take their application to my squad seriously – they are Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling. Both look fired up and, quite literally, “up to speed” to the point that I believe they will terrorise defenders from the get-go.

Would I have had the confidence in them to select them without studying pre-season progress? Maybe, but like many things with Fantasy Football, having more information, having another angle and viewpoint, is just enough to tip a decision and resolve a dilemma.

Demi says…
I don’t think pre-season should have much influence on who we pick based on their goal scoring exploits. However, it’s always nice when a player you were already considering notches a couple over the summer just to reaffirm your belief. In reality, there shouldn’t be a great deal read into it, because pre-season is mainly used to get players’ fitness up and give manager’s an idea of who’s going to feature prominently in their first team plans. It obviously isn’t played with the same intensity as a competitive match and the goals scored during summer friendlies aren’t cherished or remembered by the players/clubs once the campaign kicks off.

Pre-season can be very important to get a feel of players starting positions, and the formations that managers are likely to stick with for the start of the campaign. It can also be a decent indicator of which fringe/youth players could enter our thoughts for the budget positions in the squad at some point in the season if their are injuries to the first XI at any point in the season.

Ryan says…
I take very little from pre-season matches. The whole point of summer friendlies is for the entire squad to gain match fitness and be up to speed for the campaign ahead. Form should be taken with a large grain of salt because we cannot expect either team in a friendly to playing at 100%.

We can perhaps get a gauge on likely first team players. Some managers have played their pre-season fixtures with an obvious first and second team. This might give a strong indication as to who the manager considers to be first choice. I think it’s clear who Louis Van Gaal considers as first choice for Manchester United based on the two-team set-up he employed in the USA tour, for example.

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  1. LewanGOALski
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A. Sterling + Pelle
    or
    B. Mane + Benteke

    ??

    1. HenDay
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sterling and pelle

    2. Braydos
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

    3. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    4. 11bigboy11
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

    5. S.Kuqi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

    6. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

      1. super zlatan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        B

  2. Latko Zahovic
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Lost in the page change...

    Please RMT. This feels like the final draft for me 🙂

    Ruddy (Hennessey)
    Azpi - Mertesacker - Cedric (Coates, STaylor)
    Sterling - Hazard - Mane - Walcott (Wanyama)
    Benteke - Rooney - Wilson

    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Good team, near enough to the perfect template you'll find around here

    2. Evasivo
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Could you change Rooney and Wilson for Giroud and Pelle/Kane?

    3. HenDay
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Huth over Coates

  3. jaredwilliams
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Kosc + Cedric

    OR

    Merte + Fonte

    1. Braydos
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Kosc Cedric easy

    2. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      M and F as both nailed and less injury prone

      1. HenDay
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        F not as many Cs this season

  4. t4thomas
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    a) Cazorla OR b) Ramsey?

    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      b

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A) for me. But I do like B) 2nd ...

      1. t4thomas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers Doos.

        Where is Wally on your radar compared to those two?

    3. Skipdipper
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    4. Dhody
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    5. S.Kuqi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

  5. Scotty B
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Can someone please tell me

    A Is Mings just as good an option as Francis?
    B Is Morgan now a better option than Huth with yesterday's news he's fit and raring to go?
    C (Non FPL) who do we think will win the PL golden boot this season?

    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A similar
      b similar
      c Kun

    2. Braydos
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A) Mings seems more nailed than Francis so he is a good option
      B) Wait and see for more news but if Morgan is nailed then I think he is the better option
      C) Aguero

    3. 32chickens
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A)no-check their stats-mings in 'prospect' fpl category for me,francis'step up'
      B)He might be fit but i would still bank on Huth this w/e-beware of the tinkerman ongoing
      C)Kun

  6. Dhody
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    The ULTIMATE conundrum!

    Struggling with choosing 5th midfielder and 3rd forward.

    (A) Sakho + Ritchie
    (B) Sakho + Mahrez
    (C) Pelle + Anya

    Note: only looking at the first 5 GWs

    Any and all inputs welcome.

    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      c

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      (B), imho.

      1. Dhody
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thank you!

  7. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Seriously speaking, is ANY forward worth the money charged, right now?

    Apart from Sakho?

    1. Skipdipper
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Why Sakho?

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheap, in-form, nailed.

        1. Skipdipper
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          So he should be in my team below instead of Wilson?

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Well, Wilson is in mine. But my feet are getting cold. I need a chat with Shipstontrev ...

            1. Skipdipper
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Could you have a quick look at my two choices below for us please? 🙂

    2. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Pelle @ 8.0 .. YES
      Other.. NO

      1. Puyol Pants Up
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        this

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Pellé - speak to me, guys?

          1. Test Eagles
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Great pre-season (6 goals), some against decent opposition, seems nailed with little or no threat. Soton have great opening fixtures and you'd expect them to continue playing attacking football. I like him ... although still unsure whether to start with him or go with Lukaku and swap after Everton's home game against Watford!

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Well - imo - the latter course would be beyond stupid.

            2. 32chickens
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I'm with this

              1. 32chickens
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                as in play Pelle
                not the luakau bit of course tho!!!

    3. Scab
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Kane, Lukaku

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Lukaku is and would be a disaster right at this stage.

        1. Dhody
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Hey Doosra, given your enormous insight into West Ham and FPL in general could I please ask you to to take a look at my query above? It concerns Sakho vs Pelle...

        2. 32chickens
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          just can't see anything going right for Bobby martinez this season
          Maureen has been rattling his cadge ever since the Atsu loan fiasco
          And now Stones.
          I wouldn't back Bobby to fight his way out of a paper bag at the moment.
          And when Bobby's not good Lukaku will suffer

        3. Scab
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Apart for a hammy scare I dont see why he would.

          I understand people dont like his streak of ups and downs hes no captain material but worth 8.0 I think given previous ppm

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Not if you are going to transfer him. Are you?

    4. 11bigboy11
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not really. Which tempts me to play 3-5-2. But then would need to play a 4.5 striker. Which wont get many minutes.

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Why do you bother to worry about the money on the bench? 😕

    5. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Gomis

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yes ... back to him. Thanks.

        1. Home Run Baker
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          And Kane I think

          Kane Gomis Sakho looks sweet to me

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Right. That is a sweet combo ... Pellé?

            1. Home Run Baker
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Pelle great fixtures ... Considering him too.
              Still haven't decided !!

            2. Mahesh_Kumar
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Mane just seems so much more interesting than Pelle. His minutes per goal is extremely good right?

    6. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Aguero and Benteke should be worth their price tags from GW4 onwards.

      The promoted forwards are probably about right at 5.5.

      Lukaku will do well for 8m over the course of the season IMO, with pens in his locker, but fixtures mean we'll have to wait on that one.

      Costa, Rooney, Sturridge, Kane... Potentially. If they live up to past form, but there are certainly a lot of question marks, and a lack of stand outs for the first couple of games!

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks, Ludo.

    7. 32chickens
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I think its a good challenge
      I'd give you 3 worth the money
      sakho
      pelle
      kun

      1. 32chickens
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        yes I have them all and its not as bad a squeeze as i thought

      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yes, I think I like those too. But if Kane/Sakho/Falcao allowed me to swap Mahrez to Mane, what would you say then?

        1. 32chickens
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I have mane in my squad as well as these 3 forwards
          I did think your falcoa keenness was a fishing expedition but you're a wise dog and the charity shield showed me that falcao is jose's chosen one
          The kane one worries me -TOT not clicking just now for me

          Conclusion-watch the Thursday euro matches
          I think Mane is required given history and fixtures

  8. Skipdipper
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    @MOIN and any other analysis welcome but would you say the second is a stronger team?

    Schmeichel Schwarzer
    Gomez Richards Kos Cedric O'SHEA
    RITCHIE Haz Sterling Ramsey DEPAY
    benteke KANE DEENEY

    Or

    Schmeichel Schwarzer
    Gomez Richards Kos Cedric COATES
    MAHREZ Haz Sterling Ramsey MILNER
    benteke ROONEY WILSON

    With £1 ITB perhaps Mane over Milner?

    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A for mine. I think Kane will outscore rooney and depay looks the real deal

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sort your goalies ... I prefer B, but with Kane.

      1. Skipdipper
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers. What's wrong with the goalies?

  9. 11bigboy11
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Mane or Pelle to get more points over first few games?

    1. Dhody
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      THIS.

      1. 11bigboy11
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        What are you on atm?

    2. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      My tip would be Pelle to pick up regular returns and then mane explodes against city away (or some other week you sell him for) with a 20 point haul to make the average about even

      1. 11bigboy11
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I tend to agree. I dont quite get all the mane hype, his random hat trick distorts his stats and draws a lot of attention to him.

  10. jojon440
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Please RMT

    Myhill (McCarthy)

    Clyne, Mertesacker, Azpilicueta (Baker, S Taylor)

    Hazard, Walcott, Henderson, Cazorla (Sinclair)

    Benteke, Rooney, Berahino

    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Horrible defence. Myhill baker McCarthy and Saylor are either short term or not nailed. Its not fun but lose a mid and spend a little extra on getting defenders who actually play

  11. S.Kuqi
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Would appreciate If I could get some feedback about this:

    Which option looks better?

    Option A

    Haz-Walcott-Sterling-MANE-Sinclair
    Rooney-BENTEKE-Sakho

    Option B

    Haz-Walcott-Sterling-MAHREZ-Sinclair
    Rooney-KANE-PELLE

    1. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      CHADLI
      SAKHO PELLE

      1. Siva Mohan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        A from those options

        1. S.Kuqi
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Thanks Siva. I just don't want Chadli nowhere near my team 🙂

    2. Braydos
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

      1. S.Kuqi
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks Braydos

    3. Mattias
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I always look at my transfers and ask whether the move is a step-up, step-down or sideways (i.e like for like)

      For me:

      Mahrez > Mane
      Benteke = Kane
      Sakho = Pelle

      So your best option would be A

      1. S.Kuqi
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers for your reply. I ll stick what I have and ignore all those Benteke haters.

    4. sleecc
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

  12. aabb
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    RMT

    Myhill, Hennessy
    Azpi, merte, cedric, gomez, s.Taylor
    Hazard, Walcott, Sterling, Chadli, Barry
    Rooney, Benteke, Sakho

    ???/10

    1. Braydos
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nice team, maybe another 4.5 defender instead of Gomez as he isn't nailed and you already have S.Taylor. Also get Bentaleb or Wanyama over Barry. 8/10

  13. Kurtinho
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Thoughts highly appreciated 🙂

    Panti
    Azpi - Mert - Francis
    Fab - Wally - Depay - Mane - Ritchie
    Rooney - Benteke

    4.0, Sakho, Jenks, Targett

    Will rotate Ritchie/Sakho + Francis/Jenks first few weeks before WC.

    1. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Me likey a lot.

      Obviously you have great balance as no Hazard, but that is obviously the risk you have to take.

      All I would say is... Caution.

      Ps - I always play 3-4-3 so I would downgrade a midfield players and get another striker.

      1. Kurtinho
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Playing WC in GW4 most likely so I feel it's worth the risk going without. Cheers for the feedback Evs 🙂 happy with this squad.

    2. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I like it a lot! No Hazard frees up funds, and you know the risk there. Good team for an early WC.

      1. Kurtinho
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers mate. This will be very close to my final squad. GW4 wildcard likely.

    3. andyinasia
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Certainly has all the marks of an early WC squad. In which case I might leave out Depay as it might take him a few GWs to gel, and bring in another Saint due to their opening fixtures. Up Targett to Cedric so that Depay can be someone like Chadli.

  14. Evs
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I feel myself getting pulled into the Sterling trap, but he always flatters to decieve.

    Just feel like I'm going to be littered with 2 pointers with a sprinkling of 7s or 8s

    I just dunno...

    1. Scab
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Im avoiding him as well. much more value in midfield for 9 mil and below

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Lol, based on what? He could be a sensation at City

        1. Evs
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          The word 'could' (or not) is my issue.

    2. Najoman86
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Currently the cheapest route in to the City attacking apex.
      Aguero, Silva, Sterling.

      I've got him in my side currently, I can't see City making a stuttering start to this season. Expecting goals and plenty of them from the off.

      No City coverage at all? Or are you going with Silva - or punting on Aguero?

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Zero at the mo, no room - hence my sterling thing.

    3. Kurtinho
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I would wait and see. Fixtures give you a bit of time to assess. Straight in GW4 if he impresses.

    4. jace_nooch
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I hear ya, I had him last season thinking not many in my league would and he let me down a lot. This season, I've had the chance to watch most of his pre season games and even against the big teams he either scored or had assists and even when he doesn't have an assist he has been brought down in the box which would result in an assist in FPL. He looks good and Pelegrini can't do without him because the squad is ageing and looks slow on the counter. City score a lot of goals and with Sterling in the team they will only score more with the likes of Aguero, Yaya and Silva to finish the good work. He is one of the first names on my team sheet this season, but this as in the past can backfire! Good luck

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Very good points, and I couldn't disagree.

        Many thanks.

    5. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      It's all about David Silva in the City midfield.

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yeah, but unless you got 1.5m you can transfer to my squad then I'm stuck !

    6. Mahesh_Kumar
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Silva or bust

  15. Scab
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Is having Rooney so essential?

    I dont see the fuss

    1. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      good Man Utd fixtures.. and not so reliable Man Utd mids.. only way IN is Rooney..

    2. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not essential

    3. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I think he is unless Man U sign another striker. Last time he was up top on his own he did pretty well...

    4. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Stay tuned, there's a Scout 'Burning Question' article being released on that in the next day or so 🙂

      1. Mattias
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Essential for me to start with.

        Read Sky's analysis of Rooney up front vs in midfield...(I assume the Scout article may cover something similar)

        http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15115/9934367/should-wayne-rooney-lead-the-line-for-manchester-united-this-season

      2. Home Run Baker
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Will be a very one-sided article I predict

    5. Watmore do ya want?
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not at all, don't fret

    6. Scab
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I dont doubt he will coem good, but I dont think he is worth 10.5

    7. QPR expects... glory!
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      On a hot streak you jump on for a few weeks until it's over but when he's cold, he's frigid and more likely to lose his temper and give you a 1 pt return

    8. andyinasia
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Unless they buy a galactico striker, he's all they've got, so yes!

  16. n-doggg
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    What do we think on this? Think I'm getting there.

    Butland, schmiechel
    Azpi, mert, oshea, Francis, saylor
    Haz, sterling, Walcott, tadic, Sinclair
    Rooney, pelle, sahko

    Going 3-5-2 GW1. Can I get a rating please

    1. King Henrik
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      7 .. good balance but same problem with my team. Defence looks weak. And I don't like the tadic pick. Pelle to Benteke

      1. n-doggg
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks. Problem is if I get Benteke I'm going to want mane over tadic and need to find the cash!

  17. King Henrik
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Any of you guys going without any United midfielders ?

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      The majority I reckon

      1. King Henrik
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yeah me too . Was convinced on having depay and benteke from the start but now am leaning much towards Sterling and Kane.

    2. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Yes, as I have Rooney.

      But I do feel that Depay could be 'GOLD' !!!

      Always believing...

      1. King Henrik
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        It's either Walcott or Sterling to make way for Memphis and I can't find the balls to drop wally or the junkie so let's hope he doesn't turn Gold yet.

    3. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Will likely get depay after a few weeks depending on how Utd set up. He's the only option

    4. Eze Really?
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Me. I think a 30% chance who you pick will not start.

  18. Wild Rover
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    If you had a spare .5m would you upgrade Bellerin to Kosc or save it for a rainy day?

    1. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I would get Merte, and keep in in your ars* pocket 😉

    2. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Upgrade

    3. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'd get Koscielny, the man is going to a bonus machine this year.

    4. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      upgrade.. Debuchy worries me.. he will grab a easy game in rotation..

    5. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      was thinking the same to keep the 0.5 or use it...but in your case get Kosc..he will be a BAPs magnet this season

    6. Test Eagles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Definitely upgrade ... Koscielny could be the season keeper!!

    7. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Upgrade. Koscielny is about as good a defender for FPL as you can get at 6.0m. An absolute must for me for as long as he remains injury free.

    8. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Keep it for more flexibility in your first transfer after GW1

    9. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cheers gents, bit of a mixed bag 🙂

    10. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Upgrade

  19. Tornado
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone using a chip gw1?

  20. Slumdog Mignolet.
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Would you rather:

    A. Creswell + Shawcross (or another Stoke defender if Shawcross is injured)
    B. Kolarov + Jenkinson

    1. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B for flair

      1. Slumdog Mignolet.
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Sweet that's what I'm on at the moment. Thank you 🙂

  21. Moin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Choose One:

    1) Keep Cedric and Keep 0.5 itb for future transfer

    2) Get Fonte In.

    3) Get Shaw/P.Jones In.

    1. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Shaw.. Saints fixtures are not better..

      1. Moin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I thought Their fixtures were great

    2. Watmore do ya want?
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Option 1 I think. I don't trust United defence and unless Fonte starts bringing home mountains of attacking returns it probs isn't worth. Keep the 0.5

    3. Rider on the Storm
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1
      Southhampton are in perfect shape due to european matches

    4. S.Kuqi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      3. Shaw

    5. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1

    6. FPLzebub
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1. You obviously don't know which option is the best so go with the one with a guaranteed upside (0.5M ITB). Flexibility is key.

  22. super zlatan
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    My head hurts. And I'm done tinkering.

    Think I'm happy with this.

    Rutland
    Azpi. Bellerin. Huth. Francis. Taylor
    Haz. Walcott. Sterling. Mane. Wanyama
    Rooney. Benteke. Wilson.

    Thoughts?

    1. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Perfect.

      Is Francis 4.5m ?

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        But I prefer Merte to Bell

        1. super zlatan
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I could upgrade Bellerin to kosc by changing Butland to Rudd?

          Francis is 4.5

          1. Evs
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Nah, don't do that.

    2. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nice team!

      Although I would prefer Kosc instead of Azpi and Fonte/Shaw instead of Bellerin

    3. Slumdog Mignolet.
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Very nice, so it's looking like Bellerin nailed on? I'd rather have him but I'm just scared he won't be nailed!

    4. n-doggg
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Bourns new striker signing not put Wilson at risk?

      1. andyinasia
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        TWO new strikers - I asked a few minutes ago but got no response. Will try again when a new shift comes online.

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I think both are midfielders aren't they? Tomlin mostly played behind Bamford in the #10 role or wide last season. Gradel is more of a winger than anything else. I think Wilson is safe enough, I'm worried about my boy Atsu now though. 😕

  23. COYS Down Under
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Optimum amount to spend on defenders:
    A) 24m
    B) 25m
    C) 26m

    1. Slumdog Mignolet.
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I've spend 28.5 😀

    2. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I have spend (Without GKs) 25m

    3. S.Kuqi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

    4. Rider on the Storm
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      25

    5. Joggers Nipple
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      currenly on 24

  24. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Fletcher or wanyama? Any other 5th mid options for 4.5?

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mutch is there so is Bentaleb

  25. wk999
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Any suggestions please?

    Ruddy (Butland)
    Iva Huth Francis Coates Targett
    Hazard Silva Ozil Depay Mahrez
    Rooney Sakho Deeney

  26. Rider on the Storm
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I think i am nearing my final team :

    Panti
    Mert - Azpi - Cedric
    Haz - Sterling - Walcott - Sinclair
    Bentek - Rooney - Pellé
    bench : Elliot - Francis/Gomez (LIV) - Oxford/STaylor - Wanyama

    any suggestion?

    1. Daniel Exeter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Like this team - bench feels a bit weak. I'd probably have Ozil or Cazorla over Theo. Apart from that no changes.

  27. fastgun2111
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Your thoughts on Ki? is he good enough to be a 4th mid??

  28. jaredwilliams
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    What do people think the ideal cost is for the backline. I have 5.5 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.5 at the moment but not sold!

    1. Daniel Exeter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I have 6, 5.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5.

    2. King Henrik
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      So no Chelsea defence ? Unless you have courtoius

      1. jaredwilliams
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I have courtois

  29. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Pelle or Mane and why. Talk to me.

    1. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm on this.

      Not sure.

      Pelle seems good value in his range of forwards, whilst in MF there are lots of options around the £8m

    2. Daniel Exeter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      My gut is saying Mane - yet I currently still have Pelle.

      Reason being is I don't have the extra 1m to upgrade Hendo > Mane
      And don't feel like downgrading one of my Ars/Chels/City mids.

    3. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mane, scored a lot more points when he played last season (50% goal involvement when on the pitch), and now he's established in the team.

    4. 32chickens
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Both but watch the european match
      Mane-reliable and explosive and fixtures-value v che/ars mid rotation mix
      Pelle-Jrod not fit to start,form-value v equivalents

    5. jace_nooch
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I have both. Mane put together a string of games end of last season and his past shows he can score and assist. Mane's PPG was right up there last season and it was his first in the BPL. Pelle a proven scorer and his pre season has been good. Great fixtures also.

  30. King Henrik
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Henderson Kosc Mings
    Or
    Chadli Merts Cedric

    1. Daniel Exeter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A