Opinion

The Burning Question: How much stock should we put in pre-season?

With a busy summer of pre-season friendlies behind us, Fantasy managers have been given plenty of hints on potential formations and starting XIs for Gameweek 1.

Manchester United’s summer schedule has afforded a fair indication as to where Memphis Depay and Wayne Rooney will be deployed. There’s also form to consider, with Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling demonstrating plenty of pace and menace over the summer, while Christian Benteke signalled his intent with a debut strike for Liverpool ahead of their opener with Stoke.

With all this in mind, we ask the “Burning Question”: how much stock should we put in pre-season?

Simon March (FPL winner 2014/15) says…
Pre-season is a better indicator of some things than others. For example, it can offer guidance on a manager’s favoured line-ups and formations, which, as we get closer to the season start, tend to become less experimental and a more reliable view of how that team will actually play. Of course, there are several potential agitators to even this information, such as the player fatigue that follows international tournaments or the open transfer window. These need to be taken into account when judging the reliability of what we see in pre-season.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that not all pre-season matches are created equal. There’s a big difference between exhibition clashes on a tour and more competitive matches such as the Europa League qualifiers or the Community Shield. The latter type of fixture is, we would assume, a manifestation of what a manager perceives to be his best available XI, playing in their best formation and, therefore, should be better indicators of what to expect going forwards.

The reliability of pre-season performances as a barometer of player form is even more difficult to assess. This is partly because of the fleeting nature of form itself but, also, because a player’s performances cannot be viewed in isolation. For example, Raheem Sterling scoring a brace in a recent friendly sounds encouraging, until you see that the opposition was the Vietnam XI. There’s a danger that we only look at part of the information and become subject to that old enemy of Fantasy managers; confirmation bias. Again, the quality of the opposition and the competitiveness of the fixture are key considerations.

Given the apparent unreliability of much of what it demonstrates, it’s tempting to write-off pre-season form altogether but I don’t think it is always entirely misleading. Where it seems to fail us most is when it comes to ‘bargain-hunting’ (I’m looking at you Mauro Boselli and Danny Graham) but, even during the main season, it is the form of budget players that tends to be the most transient. Where I think pre-season displays can be somewhat more indicative is when it’s being demonstrated by a previously proven FPL performer, preferably against solid opposition. Last season, for example, Aaron Ramsey followed-up a strong pre-season with two goals in his first couple of fixtures.

Overall, pre-season form offers a small set of mostly unreliable data and, for those reasons, should not be the principle influence on our selection. But that doesn’t mean it’s totally meaningless. Rather it’s a matter of viewing the overall context, picking out the more reliable indicators and using these, and only these, to inform our choices.

D1sable says…
For me, there are two important things to take from pre-season. The first concerns a player’s level of fitness. Has he had the minutes to be at his best? Is he likely to start the season after summer exploits? These can surely give an indication if the player is likely to start, which surely is the single most important factor in Fantasy Football.

Secondly, how are the team lining up? Is their new signing being shifted up into the front three? Is he taking a share of set pieces? These can give indications of potential for sure, though, on the other hand, if a full squad isn’t available for selection, it can also be a little misleading, so some research is recommended before diving in.

Aside from these two points, I genuinely think pre-season form matters very little, given that so many opponents are far from the calibre you’d expect to find in the Premier League.

Applebonkers says…
Pre-season is all we have for a month so, admit it or not, it chauffeurs our attentions from player to player. Wigan’s Mauro Boselli is the obvious example of a player to shine in pre-season but fall flat in the Premier League. Arguably, Jozy Altidore’s international hat-trick for USA four days before the season started carries the most guilt.

So the only time “form” plays any part now is as part of the word “formation”. With four new managers, an obscene amount of summer signings and a trio of promoted sides added to the mix, there are lots of unknowns, which the final friendly specifically provides some insight into. That insight should be limited to starting place and starting position, though. Past knowledge of the player and future hunches should do the rest.

Jonty says…
Pre-season is littered with traps, with squad players shining brightly on a Tuesday night against Gravesend, Burton Albion or the best XI Vietnam can muster, only to be dropped when the season gets underway and they have to face proper Premier League opposition.

I gain little knowledge from a player scoring against minnows in a friendly but that is not to say pre-season is not without its uses. The schedule of friendlies can be useful to clarify existing ideas about players. With a good summer under his belt, I go into 2015/16 with high hopes that Mesut Ozil will do well. Pre-season has shown me that he has the manager’s support and is delivering against some top sides, as well as some lesser ones.

In contrast, I’m still unsure as to whether Wayne Rooney, Memphis Depay or Juan Mata will be the best Manchester United option and the summer matches haven’t helped either. The Red Devils have looked brilliant and laboured in equal measure of late, which has offered me little guidance. I’ll most likely go for Rooney as a seasoned performer.

Each year I tend to stick with players in my Gameweek 1 squad who have delivered for me in previous years and have favourable fixtures, such as Rooney. A good or poor pre-season performance can help with such decisions, but rarely do they dictate them.

Evs says…
Fantasy managers need to carry out some pre-season research, particularly to understand where or when a new signing will fit into already established teams. I often use the last match prior to the season getting underway as a good indicator, as most coaches tend to give their starting team a trial run before the big kick off.

Obviously we need to be careful of a big or expensive signing and jumping to conclusions that he may take the place of an already-established player. A cracking example of this was Filipe Luis last year, who failed to make an impact for Chelsea in the Premier League.

New signings can always be a gamble based on summer form. For every Michu, the Swansea midfielder who carried his form into the Premier League, there is a Mauro Boselli, who has become synonymous for failed pre-season punting.

Mark says…
I always love to at least try to put some emphasis on pre-season form. I think this is natural because, having gone to the trouble of tracking player progress for behind-closed-doors training matches and Tuesday night trips to Exeter, I want some kind of pay-off for my efforts. I want to take a punt on a player with strong pre-season form to justify my toils in maintaining lists of teamsheets, goals and assists when others, including some notable players, are reclined by a pool.

In reality, history has taught me that putting too much stock in that striker who scores a glut of summer goals is dangerous.

Having said that, with fitness analysts at play in every club, there’s no doubt that Premier League managers have their players tracked meticulously during this spell. The minutes spent on the pitch are logged and analysed and only 11 players who have proved their fitness will cross the line in Gameweek 1. With this in mind, we have to take notice and use the information gleaned as a guide to our own decisions.

For me, two players stand out and their performances in pre-season has convinced me that I have to take their application to my squad seriously – they are Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling. Both look fired up and, quite literally, “up to speed” to the point that I believe they will terrorise defenders from the get-go.

Would I have had the confidence in them to select them without studying pre-season progress? Maybe, but like many things with Fantasy Football, having more information, having another angle and viewpoint, is just enough to tip a decision and resolve a dilemma.

Demi says…
I don’t think pre-season should have much influence on who we pick based on their goal scoring exploits. However, it’s always nice when a player you were already considering notches a couple over the summer just to reaffirm your belief. In reality, there shouldn’t be a great deal read into it, because pre-season is mainly used to get players’ fitness up and give manager’s an idea of who’s going to feature prominently in their first team plans. It obviously isn’t played with the same intensity as a competitive match and the goals scored during summer friendlies aren’t cherished or remembered by the players/clubs once the campaign kicks off.

Pre-season can be very important to get a feel of players starting positions, and the formations that managers are likely to stick with for the start of the campaign. It can also be a decent indicator of which fringe/youth players could enter our thoughts for the budget positions in the squad at some point in the season if their are injuries to the first XI at any point in the season.

Ryan says…
I take very little from pre-season matches. The whole point of summer friendlies is for the entire squad to gain match fitness and be up to speed for the campaign ahead. Form should be taken with a large grain of salt because we cannot expect either team in a friendly to playing at 100%.

We can perhaps get a gauge on likely first team players. Some managers have played their pre-season fixtures with an obvious first and second team. This might give a strong indication as to who the manager considers to be first choice. I think it’s clear who Louis Van Gaal considers as first choice for Manchester United based on the two-team set-up he employed in the USA tour, for example.

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  1. KLOPPTOMANIA
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Need a steer! Good to go or work reqd?!

    Ruddy, butland
    Ivan, Kos, Huth, Francis, O'Shea
    Haz, ramsey, wally, Sinclair, Ritchie,
    Rooney, Pelle, Deeney

    1. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      not really keen on o'shea as he may not start.don't like wally and ramsey. are you planning to rotate ritchie + deeney?

      1. KLOPPTOMANIA
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Prob play Richie all thins being equal

    2. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I think you can do without Jed Steer tbh. He's not listed this year anyway!

      🙂

      Looks good but I would swap O'Shea for Coates

      1. Wings Fan
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Although that will give you an identical back 7 to me!

      2. KLOPPTOMANIA
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        😀

  2. mranonymous
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    If you could only have 1, Pelle v Mane?

    1. Les Bleus
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mane

    2. vidage8
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mane.

    3. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mane.

    4. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mane

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        M

    5. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I settled on Pellé as Mane is likely to be assisting him.

  3. Les Bleus
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Repost
    In your opinion:

    A) Sakho + Benteke
    or
    B) Kane + Deeney

    Thank you.

    1. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A

      1. Les Bleus
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thank you.

  4. Braydos
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Wanyama best 4.5 mid or are there other options?

    1. Coaly
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Best, but takes up a Soton spot

      You might want Cedric Mane Pelle at some point

      1. Braydos
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks, ATM I already have Cedric and Mane so would be wise to leave a spot open in case

  5. Azzy
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Ivanovic & 6.5 MID
    or
    Azpi & Mane

    1. Braydos
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Azpi and Mane

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Math isn't right

  6. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Thoughts on my current team

    Ruddy - Had him last time norwich were in the prem, bug get quite a few save points and about 9 clean sheets this season imo. rotates nice with butland

    Butland - New no.1 at stoke , rotates nice with ruddy, should get save points and the odd clean sheet.

    Cedric - nice fixtures, really attacking defender and even though southampton have lost quite a few players [again] in the summer still think they can do well. have cedric > lescott penned in for a later date

    Huth - Again good fixtures , good attacking threat with a ok chance of clean sheet. hopefully ranieri will carry on leicesters end of season form

    A.Williams - Solid player, should get a few baps when swansea get clean sheets, which i often. only goal threat lets him down but that doesn't bother me

    PVA - Nice fixtures with a good attacking threat and decent chance of a cleanie. will be downgrade to the nailed on 4.5 [coates/kaboul] when free transfers become available and bank the change

    Francis - Not else much i fancied in the 4.5 range. but rotates nice with the rest of my defence. hopfully can replicate attacking returns from last season with some clean sheets.

    Hazard - Captain material, very good attacking returns.penalties in his locker and gets more gametime then costa

    Mane - Good fixtures, plays advance in midfield and has an eye for goal. if he fails shall upgrade to 8.5m mid if he fails

    Chadli - Ok fixtures, stats last season where really good and hopefully can continue his goals/assists with his advanced wing role

    Henderson - Nailed on, set pieces and will get forward every now and again. not the best fixtures on the road but looks likely to do well at home

    Westwood - still not settled on my bench fodder mid.also looking at fletcher/bentaleb/anita/wanyama

    Aguero - Captain choice, explosive in any game but does struggle with injuries and in doubt for gw1. has pens in his locker and a real eye for goal

    Giroud - My choice of arsenal attacker as the mid is a minefield. goals for last season with his mins is excellent. should/may be nailed on and usually at the end of arsenal goals

    Sakho - Impressed last season, scored quite a few for his mins.may be displaced by a new striker but should be good for the a couple of gameweeks [hopefully 2 + 3]

    0.5 in the bank

    Thanks

    1. flippetyflop
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nice, I wish all RMT's were as thorough.

    2. Connor's Calling
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      all very logical. Pretty balanced. Should start fine

    3. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I like it

      Personally I would rather Benteke than Giroud, and try get another heavy hitting mid in there, perhaps upgrade Chadli to an 8.5m MID somehow

      Otherwise it looks nice, 4 of the same 5 defenders here

    4. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      thanks for the replies

  7. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Jaff, went to a restaurant which had a deconstructed Jaffa Cake. It made the think of you.

    1. Jaffalicious! #SomosCubanos
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Deconstructed?! 😮

      How can a Jaffa cake be a Jaffa cakes if it's been deconstructed?! 😆

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Chocolate mousse on a sponge kind of pastry and orange sorbet. Delicious.

        1. Mull
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Savages!

        2. Jaffalicious! #SomosCubanos
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Disgraceful! As long as it tasted good it's fine 😀

  8. DV8R
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    So Hennessey likely to play in goal ahead of McCarthy?

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      That is tight.

    2. Tiamani Warrior
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      no idea - let me know if you find out!

  9. sinik
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Ritchie had 47 goals and 49 assists in the last 4 club seasons (15 and 18 last season). 😯

    1. Acquafresca
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This is the Premier League.

      1. Les Bleus
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This.

      2. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        yes but he's 6m..even 10 and 10 is overly paying back his cost...

        1. Les Bleus
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yes but there is no assurance that he will get 10 and 10. This is the premier league. (I do have him in my team though).

        2. CABAYE4
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          10 and 10 is hugely optimistic for a promoted side non-striker.

          1. sinik
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            yeah but I mean that or thereabouts even still would be more than enough to make him underpriced

            at 6m, easy swap to a 7m if you'd like

        3. Numb
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          No chance of that imo - those are Gareth Bale type numbers

          1. sinik
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            at 6m in a offensively stacked 343 I'm willing to gamble though, not like he's expensive

            1. Numb
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Yeah, I have him in another game but he's a bit cheaper in that one

        4. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Trippier has a million assists.

        5. Swift
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Only Aguero, Hazard, and Silva managed to get 10/10. I would be amazed if he could score similarly to Sigurdsson, a similar best case scenario, with 7/10. Not trying to deter you, just those numbers aren't to be expected, especially with tougher opponents.

          1. sinik
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            very true and I'm not being stupidly optimistic, just saying I have this to urge me on to pay only 6m in a offensively stacked 343, so I'm willing to gamble

            1. Swift
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I've considered him as well and I think he's worth a punt as a 4th/5th midfielder. He's probably a player I'll be looking to downgrade to (from Walcott, etc.) when looking to free up funds for Aguero. That said, he's a wait and see for me. I went with Wilson because he's easier on the budget and shares the same fixtures/attacking potential.

              1. sinik
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                are you going 343 or 352? what's your mid looking like?

                1. Swift
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  343
                  Hazard - Walcott - Ozil - Mane - Westwood

                  1. sinik
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    care to explain the Westwood love? seen him elsewhere too..just a guaranteed 2-3 points with chance for more? that's usually what I look for in a 5th mid (also avoid the possibility of dropping)

                    and also the Mane love? haven't watched Soton in pre-season, been solid?

                    1. Swift
                      • 8 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      Sure. Westwood has logged the most preseason minutes for Villa, so I think he's good for those two point games. He takes some set pieces and his trackrecord on FF has been pretty good.

                      I think Mane is really explosive. I missed out on his best run of form last year and he seems to be a starter this year. He plays behind the striker and was always a goal/assist threat when he played last year. Very quick player and very direct.

                      1. sinik
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        wow didn't know Westwood was on some set pieces! that's a game changer..hopefully it's not just pre-season tinkering..

                        I've contemplate Mane in place of one of Ozil/Rambo or Walcott which would free up some more money for my goalkeeper combo..hmm

                      2. Swift
                        • 8 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Yup. That's what I read here and I confirmed it with a Villa fan on another forum I use. Really, it is anyone's guess with the raft of new players they have brought in, but I'll go with that intel.

                        I think Mane is worth a go, but an Arsenal midfielder is still a must. Mane has great fixtures and I think he'll score well.

      3. Nascimento
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This is the sort of insight that should be members only information.

        1. sinik
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          was that a reply fail or just a sarcastic jibe? 😉

          1. Nascimento
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Sarcastic jibe

            1. sinik
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              cheers for the honesty

              1. Nascimento
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Sarcastic at Azpilifresca. Not your good self. Your info was genuinely useful.

                1. sinik
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  ah, fair enough 🙂

    2. Bolivian Seaman
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This is Sparta

    3. Leaf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      The new Messi

    4. Tiamani Warrior
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I think if he plays 90mins every game and only gets 5 goals 5 assists he is still a solid pick at 6m

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        he's cheap as chips and if it doesn't pan out, grab someone like Chadli instead

  10. Kudo Warrior
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Bottomed: Is Boruc 1st choice?

  11. Coaly
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anya or Westwood as 5th mid for 4.5?

    1. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Neither

    2. CABAYE4
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Westwood

  12. Connor's Calling
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    So...how important is defense anyway?? Could get a mega front 7 if i tear mine apart...
    Thinking being that:
    i) if there are a lack of early cleansheets/goals from big defenders then prices shouldnt move much
    ii) I ALWAYS end up downgrading my premium defenders to fit the next big thing in after a week or so!
    iii) Chelsea and Ars (only defenders i'm bothered about having) have mixed/tough opening fixtures (defensively)

    Ruddy
    Huth Coats Francis
    Sterling Rambo Haz Mane
    Rooney Kane Benteke

    [Rudd, Taylor, Oxford, Benteleb]

    1. CABAYE4
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      You could easily end up with 1 defender on any given gameweek and he plays for Bournemouth.

      1. Connor's Calling
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        ha ha....and he was the one i didnt fancy...

        it's clearly super risky and might require an early wildcard...but so might not owning Sanchez and Aguero...

        I'd be fairly confident of picking 3 x 4.5 defenders that will at least start the season....

        1. CABAYE4
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I see the attraction, but downgrading one of your front 3 to a Wilson/Deeney type would allow you to upgrade your defence hugely.

          1. Connor's Calling
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            But i worry about promoted side's ability to score goals. Can often be tough for players who've spent a long time in the lower leagues (Deeney, Wilson, Ritchie) to hit the ground running. Austin was an example of where it worked...but i'm still not sure.

            If i downgraded one of Benteke or Kane...think it'd be for Sakho - who's got a yr under his belt.

    2. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      In fairness this could work

  13. What Else
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Lads, your help would be greatly appreciated

    Ruddy/Butland

    Azpi, Bellerin, Huth, Targett, Francis
    Cesc, Wally, Ozil, Henderson, Wanyama
    Rooney, Benteke, Kane

    Thoughts? Would like to fit Haz in there but he's do damn expensive!

  14. Sooda
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    RMT please?

    Schemeichel- Fuchs, Cedric, Mertesacker - Mahrez, Mane, Sterling, Hazard, Ritchie - Kane, Rooney

    Subs- Myhill, Deeney, Van Aanholt, Amavi

    What do you guys think? I think my defence is a bit pricey, think I shoould downgrade one or two 5.0 to 4.5's (Francis and Huth?) And reinvest the 1 Mill

    Any advice appreciated

  15. Your Mum's Athletic
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    RMT Giggity:

    Pants Hennessey

    Ivanovic Mert Williams Huth Targett

    Hazard Sterling Cazorla Henderson Anya

    Rooney Benteke Deeney

    1. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Anya? Is he nailed?

      I would prefer Milner instead of hendo.

      I have had deeney in my team for the last 3 weeks but tecently changed to Wilson and now thinking sakho. It's tough.

      Like the rest though.

      1. Your Mum's Athletic
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Think he is nailed yes, definitely the attacking of any 4.5m. Hendo on pens over Milner, if Tekkers is on pens, Hendo goes.I'd have Sakho if I could afford the extra 1m but alas cannot. giggity

        1. super zlatan
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          What's your take on sakho?

          Worth squeezing 1mil from my team to upgrade Wilson?

          1. Your Mum's Athletic
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            West Ham in pre-season have been pretty poor, everything going through Payet who has looked good but not anyone around him finishing his creativity. I wouldn't weaken your team for him

  16. cricketmad787
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Gday guys

    RMT

    Schmeicel
    Azpilicueta-Cedric-Wisdom-O'Shea
    Hazard-Sterling-Ozil-Mane
    Rooney-Pelle

    Butland-Ighalo-Ki-Jenkinson

  17. Latch86
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    First post this season... rmt?

    Courtois
    Cedric / Mangala / Mertesacker
    Walcott / Sterling / Hazard / Henderson
    Rooney / Benteke / Wilson

    Subs: Hennesy / Francis / Baker / Wanyama

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      good in some parts

      baker needs to become a 4.5m IMO

    2. cricketmad787
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I like the fact that you've got Chelsea, Soton, Arsenal and City coverage at the back.

  18. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Team is more or less. Only the Arsenal midfield conundrum left - Ozil/Ramsey/Cazorla.

    🙂

    1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      do you think hendo will keep pens? or is benteke going to nab them?

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        tough call, hendo..

        1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          i think so too

      2. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        highly, highly doubt Hendo keeps pens, makes no sense.

        1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          he was supposed to be on them over balotelli last season and balo is an amazing pen taker. that didn't make sense to people at the time

          1. sinik
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Balo was nothing else though. He was a distraction. Benteke is a proven PL striker and they just spent 32m on him, you don't think they'd want to give him pens to be able to maintain that goalscoring form at all times just so a deep-lying/box-to-box mid can have them?

            1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              they didn't do it with sturridge or suarez

              1. sinik
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                well that's because Stevie Me was there..Suarez was on them when Stevie Me was off 😉

                1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  hendo is the new captain. can see him keeping them as the new stevie me

                  1. sinik
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    I could see it either way and I find Rodgers to be a bit of a dullard at times because I think giving them to Benteke (who took them at Villa) is a no-brainer

    2. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Most ppl faced with the same dilemma.

      Not fancy finding 0.5 and getting Walcott?

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        have .5 banked, just don't feel like getting burnt by him again

        1. super zlatan
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          If I had to pick between those three I would go Rambo.
          In fact I still might myself.

    3. fantasyfanatic2016
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ozil

    4. Your Mum's Athletic
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cazorla

    5. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ramsey. Don't be boring.

    6. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ramsey.

    7. Bolivian Seaman
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ozil

    8. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No Walcott?

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        not for me

  19. B.Edwards1999
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A) Kane and Deeney
    B) Benteke and Mitrovic/Sakho

    1. C_G
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      teks and sakho

      1. fantasyfanatic2016
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        B and sakho

    2. Sooda
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Benteke defo fit to start?

      Ive got A and Rooney as my 3 strikers...

  20. Sepp Blattered
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Which front 3 for first 4 GW?

    A) Rooney, Costa, Sakho

    B) Rooney, Benteke, Pelle

  21. Lizard Lips
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone doubling up on Ramsey and Walcott?

    1. C_G
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      nah im good

    2. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Considered this but really want mane.

      1. C_G
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        this

      2. Lizard Lips
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Is Mane better than Ramsey? Seems unlikely to me.

        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          No, but he's a better pick than Walcott.

        2. Bolivian Seaman
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          If he carries on like last season he will be very close

        3. C_G
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          well technically now, but mane is playing with a lot less support. simple. also he gives 110% and is less likely to get injured.

        4. Ludo
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yes imo.

          1. Lizard Lips
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            How's your team set up Ludo?

    3. Lizard Lips
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm top 5k 3 on a trot. You'd be wise to follow me...

      1. Lizard Lips
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Though I never been 270!! Well played Zlatan!!

        1. super zlatan
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Cheers claw. 😉

      2. Bolivian Seaman
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Go go gadget Vanity

        1. Lizard Lips
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Only messing bro.

        2. Lizard Lips
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Good response tho!

          1. Bolivian Seaman
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            😛

    4. Lizard Lips
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Funny how things change. Last season people were all over Rambo over Mane when he was £2m more expensive, now nearly the same price and people dropping their knickers for Mane over the mighty Rambo.

      1. C_G
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        agreed, but rambo wasn't alongside such a quality, distributed mid either, just too tough to separate and predict

        1. Lizard Lips
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          True. I'm a big fan of Mane but the gut says Rambo, seems to always be creating and think Arsenal are going to score for fun. Saints didn't look that good to me last season bah the Villa meltdown!

      2. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        price bias, it's rampant.

        1. Lizard Lips
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yeah. Rambo had like 3 times the owners that Mane did end of last season and was £2.2m more to own! Now roughly equal price and ownership!!

          1. sinik
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            even funnier that last season Mane didn't as have much competition technically, now he has JRod to think about as well

    5. sinik
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      right now on Walcott on Ozil but tempted by Sly

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Walcott and*

  22. fantasyfanatic2016
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Big question:
    Will Gomez play ahead of Moreno?????

    1. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Little answer:
      No!!!!!

      1. fantasyfanatic2016
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers mate. Would prefer him instead of Clyne but already sitting on targett

      2. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I wouldn't be too sure.

    2. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sometimes

    3. Holy See
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Maybe.

    4. fantasyfanatic2016
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Such a good option. Anyone taking a gamble on him?

    5. Your Mum's Athletic
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Think he will start GW1 then who knows, 1 mistake and he's definitely out for Moreno

    6. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Yes

    7. Swift
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Short term is a yes, I think. Long term, I'd just wait and see.

  23. The Sarjeant
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Ludo -

    Think I will go Walcott > Cazorla at the end of the UFPL deadline.

    1. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Same here. Ozil is also a particularly good bet for UFPL - he's a key passing/big chance creating machine - regardless of whether or not anyone finishes them, he'll still get the points for it.

      1. The Sarjeant
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cazorla's up there too! Plus he'll score more (double the points for goals than assists) and penalties too. Really rate him in the game. Just I didn't want two Arsenal midfielders in it.

  24. Franktomet
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    RMT:

    Curtois / Krul

    Valencia / Bellerin / Clyne / Collins / RyanBennet

    Hazard / Walcott / Sterling / Henderson / Sinclair

    Rooney / Pelle / Ighalo

    1. Maxim Tsigalko
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Will Valencia definitely play? Collins and Bennet probably won't unless injury occurs, midfields decent, don't know anything about ighalo but front lines a bit light weight IMO

  25. CERVELO
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Done.

    Ruddy - Butland
    Azpi - Cedric - Huth - Alderwield - Francis
    Haz - Ozil - Sterling - Milner - Mane
    Wilson - Tekkers - Pelle

    Think that's good rotation options and strong starting 11 for gw1 - I've had Depay in all week but I'm not convinced he going to light it up. Thoughts??

    1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      he may not be nailed on at the beginning so best to look elsewhere for now

  26. Shah G
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Open league everyone is welcome - 60229-306458 - Thanx..

  27. januzki
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    First RMT and hopefully the last... or maybe not. 😉

    Butland Hennessey
    Azpi Mert Cedric Huth Saylor
    Hazard Özil Depay Mane Fletcher
    Rooney Benteke Sakho

    0.0m in the bank.
    What do you think? Good to go?

    1. garretts83
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Looks pretty solid to me...

    2. garretts83
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not too sure on Fletcher getting a ton of points, but if you need a 4.5, not much out there...Of course most are going with Wanyama.

      1. januzki
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers! Yeah, don't expect a lot from Fletcher either. I actually had Wanyama at first, but might need other player from Soton at some point. Already have two (Mane, Cedric). Not a lot between Fletcher and Wanyama, I think.

  28. garretts83
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Are Hazard and Kun really "must haves", or just "good to haves"......or just one or the other?

    The wealth can be spread so much without one, especially both of them.

    Thoughts?

    1. Bolivian Seaman
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      They are must haves, because there aren't any other players who are awesome all the year around

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This has been fiscussed to death. Doolittle would probably cry by now if he saw this.
      Not an answerable question.

      1. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Has he gone into hiding?

        1. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          9-5 man. Only posts when getting paid.

          1. Ryan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            lol

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Plenty of ways to play FPL. If they score well and are captained then it makes it harder for non owners.

    4. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      They aren't must have's because I think its extremely hard to have both of them. It'd be a good idea to have one though considering they are likely to be the top scorers injury permitting.

  29. AVIELD949
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Azpi + Chadli + 0.5m

    Or

    Bellerin + Mane

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Who else do you have from Southampton if not Mané?

      1. AVIELD949
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Just Cedric

        Team is:
        Ruddy / Butland
        Bellerin / Francis / Huth / Cedric / Gomez
        Hazard / Ozil / Sterling / Mane / Fletcher
        Rooney / Benteke / Sakho

        1. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I'd go for Saints and Spurs and drop Tekkers personally.

    2. garretts83
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Both are good options. Azpi might be slightly more nailed than Bellerin, but even he looks fairly nailed on too. More up to how Chadli and Mane perform in the opening weeks IMO

  30. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    So, do I go for Koscielny and no money in the bank or Mertesaker and £0.5m ITB?

    1. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mertesacker.

    2. garretts83
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mert

    3. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Thanks lads, that's who I have at the moment.