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The Great and The Good: TopMarx Extra Time Special

“After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.”

So as it was the international break I was wondering what I could possibly write about to break up the tedium when I stumbled across a mysterious figure know as Top Marx (legendary FPL article writer). He beckoned me over and in a Matrix type moment showed me the Hall of Frame spreadsheet. Shielding my eyes from the shining data and analysis I could barely see him when he said I could have limited access for one of The Great and The Good articles.

Overall Performance

The graph above shows the ranks of the The Great and The Good over the first 8 weeks. The vertical scale is from rank 1 to 1m. The distance between the ranks corresponds to the number of points separating them. For instance there are 136pts between rank 1 and rank 100k and 70pts between 100k and 1m. The graph gives an idea of how difficult it is to move up the ranks as you near the summit. This level of difficulty will increase as we move throughout the season so maybe now is the time to gamble rather than wait until later in the season. As you would expect the majority of the managers have improved their position during the first 8 weeks as more data has become available. Logic would therefore suggest that this should continue but with most of them having good starts and the gap from the top 10k to top spot (currently 94pts) growing every week this will prove considerably more challenging.  Mark has had the most dramatic improvement with huge gains thanks to a large part due to the Hazard captaincy in week 5. Jay has a poor start and although making steady progress is currently 189pts from the no.1 ranked manager. Although he shouldn’t worry too much as Matthew Jones (current live HOF no.1) had an even worse start last season but almost managed a top 10,000 finish.

Transfer success

The table below gives us a view of the transfer success of The Great and The Good based on the data provided via FPL Statistico. This doesn’t reflect that transfers aren’t made with only one fixture in mind and when patience in an underperforming player finally pays off.  It does make interesting reading for our The Great and The Good. Jay has an awful record in his transfers to date and Az has also fared poorly as well. The most effective of the managers has been Andy but Ronka and Mark also have good records so far this season. Mark’s more aggressive moves have been righting his poor decisions at the start of the season, he had Jota and Sanchez (remember them) in his GW1 team.

Captain Picks

So far this season only 5 different players have been handed the armband by our managers. Salah is the most popular having been chosen 45% of the time, followed by Aguero on 41%. Interestingly, they are fairly equal in terms of returns Salah averaging a 16.1 point return when chosen as captain compared to Ageruo’s 16.8 points. If you can’t see Kane’s segment then don’t worry your eyes don’t need testing it was just he failed so spectacularly to deliver (although clearly the writer has got over this).  Perhaps they should look to consider Hazard as a set and forget option, he has only been captained 3 times by The Great and The Good but has delivered each time with 40 points for Mark and 28 points for Ville/David last week. Although I sense that the Aguero/Salah combo will be the default setting over the next run of fixtures.

The Great and The Good vs The Hall of Fame

Finally, we get to the question on everyone’s lips… who are the better group: The Great and The Good or the Hall of Fame? In order to compare the two groups I have taken the best Career Hall of Fame managers not already signed up by The Great and The Good (so Ville Ronka and Jay).  Therefore, The Hall of Fame line up looks intimidatingly like this: Grant Barclay, Matthew Jones, Marlen Rattiner, Owen Walker, Richard Clarke, Paul Gee, Lester Cheng, Kenneth Tang, Rick Beamish, and Bruce Savage. The table below shows the total points and position for each group of managers and the winner is……. The Great and The Good!

They achieve an average points tally of 526.7 and an average rank of 107,646 whilst the Hall of Fame can only manage 126,103 and 519.9 points. In this shock result The Great and The Good are helped by the particular impressive performances of Ville Ronka, Andy, and Torres Magic who are all in the top 20k whilst the Hall of Fame can only manage one with Rattiner at 18k. When having a casual glance at the transfer strategy, the Hall of Fame are clearly biding their time with only 50% of them having used their wildcards. Only Niemi from The Great and The Good had not used his before GW8 amongst that group. However, interestingly the Hall of Fame have made more transfers this season (7.5) versus the The Great and The Good’s 6.8. It will be interesting to see if The Great and The Good remain triumphant by the end of the season.

So what have learnt from this exercise? Well for me, it is even the best can have a bad start so don’t panic, the mountain definitely gets steeper as you reach the peak, an active manager is a good manager and of course The Great and The Good are the Greatest! Back to normal service next week and remember don’t have nightmares.

Top Marx’s Post-Match Interview

“The dressing room has recovered well after losing star player Ville in a controversial move to The Great and The Good, and it’s fantastic to see Marlen stepping up and taking on a more active role. Already he’s showing greater structural flexibility this season compared to his appearance in the Top Five two seasons ago. That year he stuck with a 3-4-3 formation for 30 of the 38 gameweeks. An unwillingness to adapt to a 3-5-2 formation caused him to stagnate – after Gameweek 1 he was in the top 100k but he ended 32,340 overall without making an appearance in the top 10,000.

The importance of deploying a five-man midfield in the 2016/17 season was a crucial part of Jay’s success as he moved up to third in the Career Hall of Fame. He noted that “attacking teams such as Arsenal and Liverpool have been using midfielders – Sanchez and Firmino – as out of position strikers. This means you are essentially playing 3-3-4.”

This year it is Marlen adapting to players offering exceptional value. Recruiting Ings in Gameweek 3 for Bournemouth’s King, helped generate funds for the transfer of Peltier to Alonso. In Gameweek 5 an injury to Palace’s Zaha saw Marlen play a back five of Alonso, Liverpool’s Robertson, City’s Mendy, and Palace duo van Aanholt and Wan-Bissaka.

Evidence of structural flexibility continued with his Gameweek 6 wildcard. An injury to Mendy saw Marlen take advantage of the promise (and incredible value) shown by Wolves players. Former Norwich defender Ryan Bennett together with the out of position Doherty, playing more as winger than a right back, joined £4.0m budget sensation Wan-Bissaka in defence as funds were redistributed throughout the squad. Marlen also questioned the value offered by Salah and, with the fixtures stiffening for Liverpool, the Egyptian made way for Hazard.

A further money saving move of Robertson to teammate Alexander-Arnold meant Marlen had enough funds to upgrade Mkhitaryan to Sterling. Last season’s second highest points scorer has largely gone under the radar; his 5.4% ownership could perhaps be explained by his increase in price and a fear of rotation under manager Guardiola. Nonetheless Gameweek 6 proved a shrewd time to buy the England man as he delivered a goal, two assists, and three bonus points in his next two matches.

Marlen has been bold, brave, and exciting so far this season. Yet he’s also been very sensible – he’s looked at which players are delivering value, he’s looked at fixtures, and he’s shifted formation to take advantage of opportunities. Having played his wildcard, the question is will he now be forced to adopt a more patient approach?

He could fairly easily fit Salah back into his side with only two transfers, but I’m wondering what he will do if Mendy, Alonso, and Robertson all start firing again? Currently there isn’t an obvious bench player amongst his front 8 and, should a number of premium defenders show form, it may be that we see another re-structuring. Obviously this is harder to achieve without a wildcard.

One final transfer of Marlen’s that stood out for me was that of Ings to Jiménez. A seemingly innocuous transfer that I find fascinating. Ings is a player that was highlighted last month by Kenneth Tang: “it will be essential to tap into these players asap, not for building TV, but making your whole team “value for money” as soon as possible.”

Jiménez arguably falls into the same category. In Gameweek 6, when Marlen was on his wildcard, Ings was unable to play against his parent club Liverpool. With matches against Wolves and Chelsea to follow it’s understandable that Jiménez was the preferred option of the two. But if they both offer value for money, why not keep both?

The answer is Mitrovic. Here’s what is so exciting about this season – there is so much value on offer! Marlen made the decision on his wildcard that both Mitrovic and Jiménez offered more value than Ings. That doesn’t necessarily mean Kenneth Tang was wrong, just that he plays the game a different way.

Will this season favour the bold or the patient manager?

Kenneth and new Live Hall of Fame number one Matthew Jones (aka Numb) are both exponents of the patient approach. Matthew admitted in his ‘Meet the Manager’ interview that he may not use his wildcard until Christmas! While Kenneth confesses the “early years [of FPL], only one wildcard was given, which suits my planning appetite even more”.

I’m delighted to have managers with such contrasting approaches in my team and I’m quietly confident that we will be able to catch and overtake The Great and The Good!”

32 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Geoff
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    • 11 Years
    5 years, 6 months ago

    Greyhead and TopMarx together at last!

    Great stuff both

  2. mutatedllama
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 6 months ago

    Transferring out Mane. Worth punting on De Bruyne now he's fit or go with Sterling?

    1. GinjaWhinja
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Chill your beans. At least wait until tonight. Might not even drop if he plays.

    2. Euro Raiders
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Same plan depending on today and how kdb plays.

  3. Bold vs. Patient - which do you prefer?
    TopMarx
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    5 years, 6 months ago

    Thanks Geoff 🙂 I've enjoyed collaborating on this with Greyhead. I like his 'The Great and The Good v Hall of Fame' idea, although not happy about losing Ville 😉

    I've found it interesting to look at Marlen again after a couple of seasons. He was a fairly bold manager two seasons ago although that was the year an extremely bold manager in Peter did exceptionally well. So perhaps he didn't get as much attention as he deserved.

    Thinking about Joe's 'Meet the Manager' videos and how a patient approach is emerging as a trend, it's nice to find a manager who is a bit more aggressive.

    Will his bold approach prove as successful as a patient approach? Although most managers are a mix of both, do you being bold or patient? Do you see yourself as one or the other, and do you think one approach is better than the other?

    And also, a factor which is perhaps overlooked, is it more fun to play when you're being bold?

    1. Numb
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Who is going to interview Joe for his MTM video? Has to be Mark right...?

      1. badgerboy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 6 months ago

        Virg. It'll be like Frost/Nixon.

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 6 months ago

          Correct.

        2. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 6 months ago

          +1

      2. FPL Virgin
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        • 7 Years
        5 years, 6 months ago

        I'm happy to take over the mic.

        1. TopMarx
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          • 11 Years
          5 years, 6 months ago

          I'd pay to watch that. Could it be the first FFS video to be made pay per view?

    2. Greyhead
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      • 5 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Pleasure to collaborate with Top Marx on this one. After seeing Numb’s comeback last season and Mark’s recovery this one I am intrigued to know whether others have experienced similar climbs up the rankings and whether it’s more satisfying than leading from the front? Who are the key diffentials to buy now to start that climb this season? KDB? Felipe Anderson?Groß ? Eriksen? Murphy?

    3. Pacer.
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      I think you need to be adaptable. Bold, patient, doesn't matter, all that matters is making the right decisions, and good luck.

      I have had my patience tested to breaking point this season by finding some uber-patient decisions appear to be the optimum ones, and thankfully they've turned out right (e.g keeping Mendy through his absence made me about 25 points over my other considered options and now he's racked best part of 20 points in two games), but also been rewarded by bold decisions (ditching Salah several weeks back and green arrows every week since).

      These are 50/50s that I could have got wrong in another season. But do demonstrate that there is no single correct approach

    4. the Penman
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      • 12 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      In years gone by, I've been a hit-heavy manager. Tinkerman to the max, chopping and changing furiously. I reckon most of that came from never really having a great start to any season, so always running to catch up.

      This season I've started in the top 10-50k consistently which is proper nosebleed territory for me, and it has helped me slow down, step back, and be more patient. I've rolled a transfer more than once in only 8 opportunities, and have only taken 2 hits, one with 2 FT for 3 transfers and one to get Hazard in to captain once he was back and firing. No regrets either way.

      So, previously I would have said "just go for it, hits repay themselves, have some fun doing it!", I think now I would say "it depends on how you start, and where you get to".

    5. BRKFCTrueRover
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      • 11 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Trying to be more patient this season but that's much easier when you have a good start! But even this week I've made 2ft on Saturday Tomkins and fraser to Mendy and Murphy. Could backfire but needed to do it Saturday or be priced out. Sometimes if a move makes sense to you, just go for it!

    6. FOMFF
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      • 8 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Hindsight has proven patience would have bought me more success this season (although having my best season in 10 years of playing).

      A mantra I picked up from this site in the years I’ve been visiting is form over fixtures and it haunts me on every transfer descision. This season Ive tried to buck a few trends and had mixed results missing some serious hauls from Bilva and Wilson in the past few of weeks but they enabled moves like Hazard.

      Bought in Vardy two weeks ago based on fixtures so shall see how that goes today.

      .......Bit of a ramble buts it’s not even 7am here in Texas. Patience my young padawan.

    7. HNI
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Bold gives higher team value but very few managers play in team value leagues.
      Patience gives your more fpl points. I am into overall rank so no point being bold types

    8. Klein
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      I think we need to balance both
      And this line works in almost all topic of discussion :p

    9. Cok3y5murf
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Is bold another word for impatient? Is aggressive another word for knee-jerky?

      1. Dr. Ante Pavlovic
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 6 months ago

        No

        1. Cok3y5murf
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 6 months ago

          Should be bold vs safe or patient vs impatient really. Don't see how bold vs patient makes sense.

    10. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Bold =/ Impatient, is an important factor to consider. A patient manager has to make decisive decisions occasionally to get ahead/stay ahead of the pack.

    11. FantasyNik123
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Patient when I'm doing well, and Bold when I'm doing poorly. I hate losing, so I go bold to have some fun. And I hate being patient, but it's all good as long as I'm winning.

    12. El Lobito 10
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      There's being bold and then there's just plain reckless or stupid. There is also being too patient.

    13. Grounderz
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Bold has been trying to kill me this season.
      Patience has rewarded me on many occasions this season.

    14. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      You can actually be bold and patient all at the same time.

  4. Numb
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 6 months ago

    Hopefully the cream will rise to the top and my HOF buddies will prevail in the end! 😉

    1. TopMarx
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      • 11 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      I have full faith in my team.

      One line team talk (with apologies to SAF) - "Lads, it's The Great and The Good"

    2. Greyhead
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      • 5 Years
      5 years, 6 months ago

      Let’s hope The Great and The Good continue to prosper. To quote another manager “I will love it if we beat them. Love it”.

  5. It’s gonna Ben Mee
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 6 months ago

    Update damn it

  6. Chidi LaLa
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 6 months ago

    Excellent intro. Great article. Looking forward to the competition.

  7. DMP
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    • 8 Years
    5 years, 6 months ago

    Besides Arnie, who´s the best cheap striker for medium/long term?

    Wilson? King? Mitrovic? Jimenez? Ings?