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Nottm Forest v Spurs team news: Perisic and Gibbs-White start

Gameweek 4 of Fantasy Premier League (FPL) concludes this afternoon, with Nottingham Forest v Tottenham Hotspur getting underway at 16:30 BST.

Spurs are unchanged from their win over Wolverhampton Wanderers in Gameweek 3.

That means Ivan Perisic once again lines up at left wing-back, with Dejan Kulusevski, Son Heung-min and Harry Kane in attack.

Antonio Conte is without Cristian Romero and Oliver Skipp, plus Lucas Moura and Bryan Gil.

As for the hosts, Steve Cooper makes two changes to his starting XI, with Ryan Yates and new signing Morgan Gibbs-White replacing Orel Mangala – who is not in the squad – and Taiwo Awoniyi.

Elsewhere, budget midfielder Jack Colback returns for the first time since Gameweek 1 following an illness. Moussa Niakhate and Omar Richards, however, are long-term absentees.


GAMEWEEK 4 LINE-UPS

Nottingham Forest XI: Henderson, Worrall, Cook, McKenna, Williams, Yates, O’Brien, Toffolo, Gibbs-White, Lingard, Johnson

Subs: Hennessey, Biancone, Colback, Awoniyi, Surridge, Mighten, Kouyate, Freuler, Dennis

Tottenham Hotspur XI: Lloris, Sanchez, Dier, Davies, Royal, Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Perisic, Kulusevski, Son, Kane

Subs: Forster, Doherty, Richarlison, Sessegnon, Spence, Tanganga, Sarr, Lenglet, Bissouma

Haaland Foden


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  1. Jet5605
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Evening all, 2 FT and 0.4 ITB

    A - Kulu & Murphy > Gross & Rodrigo
    B - Kulu & Henry > Rodrigo & Trippier
    C - Other suggestion?

    Ramsdale
    TAA - Cancelo - James - Perisic - Henry
    Salah - Martinelli - Kulu
    Haaland - Jesus

    Ward - Andreas - Murphy - Plange

  2. BOOM XHAKALACA
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Is downgrading Salah to Diaz to upgrade elsewhere a crazy talk?

    1. Mambino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      No

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Yes

        1. Mambino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          Not with he extra WC - being aggressive early will be key this season

    2. Jet5605
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I downgraded Salah last season and dropped 100k places in a few weeks.

    3. Paqueta Rice
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I mean, he was poor for the second half of last season and so far at the start of this season by his standards. He is going to score well but enough to justify 13m anymore I’m not sure. I’m going to hold awhile longer

    4. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Nope it's something I'm considering

    5. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Yes

    6. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      At this stag, define "crazy"

      1. Philosopher's Stones
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Nothings crazy if it gets you more points

  3. All For One
    • 5 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Mendy
    Saliba, Taa, Walker, Cucurella
    Andreas, Martinelli, Salah, Diaz
    Jesus, Haaland

    Forster, Trippier, Greenwood, Murphy

    0FT

    A) Greenwood to Toney -4
    B) Hold

    A or B guys?

    1. Stimps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I'd say go for Toney. Possible players getting benched (rested) there like Walker, Martinelli, Cucc, Haaland. Decent bench essential imo

      1. All For One
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Cool thank you for the reply.

  4. Weasel Boy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Thinking Kulu + Zinc to Diaz + Perisic for free?

    1. Mambino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      probably would but finely balanced

      1. Weasel Boy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Thanks

        1. Mambino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          If Perisic was nailed it would be a no brainer - it's the possiblilty of managed minutes that makes it finely balanced. Even so though - he can be explosive

    2. banskt
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Good moves in my opinion. Trippier instead of Perisic and then they are great moves.

      1. Weasel Boy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Thanks.
        Already have Pope though

        1. banskt
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          Then, its only Kulu to Diaz in my opinion. Wait and see on Zinchenko. Move to Gabriel / Saliba may be.

          But, at the end of the day, its your decision whether you are happy with Perisic / Conte.

    3. chocolove
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Sideway from kulu to diaz

  5. FOO FIGHTER
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Playing my WC in GW1 is panning out exactly the way I wanted it to.

    If it was not for the unfortunate Darwin red card in GW2, I would be cruising.

    My team structure is setup for making navigation between players in and out simple by not having to make a transfer funded by another player I might want to keep, also to try avoiding hits.

    The only decision now is 2 players which majority own, whether to keep both, let one go or let both go.

    Overall I am very chuffed with my decision making so far 🙂

    1. chocolove
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Tldr

    2. DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Throw him a fish

    3. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      did you take a hit for Saliba gw4, who you then benched?

    4. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      What is your or atm?

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Won't share rank because in ain't that good?

    5. Mambino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Good for you

    6. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Oh 68(-4) and green arrows this GW plus a healthy looking rank at this point.

      1. Mambino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        a healthy looking rank is highly subjective - can we have some specifics?

    7. Haalander
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I think you should definitely start up a YouTube channel to give hints and tips to us mere mortals who haven’t a clue how to play this game. I don’t know how I’d get through the week without your great and deep analysis of the game.

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Mitro's xg was super analysis

        1. Haalander
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          Damn I think I missed that one I must check for it!

          1. Dynamic Duos
            • 10 Years
            1 year, 8 months ago

            Hahaha 🙂

      2. Mambino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        still trying figure out whether this guy is troll

        1. Haalander
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          Same here. For his own sake I actually hope he is trolling

    8. Maddamotha
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      You’re an absolute genius. I believe you will fight for the #1 spot this year.

      1. Haalander
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        This year? I think we’re all wasting our time for the coming seasons while up against a legend like this

        1. Mambino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          same

  6. Miguel Sanchez
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Kulusevski is decent and will tick over but can’t escape the feeling that Luis Diaz is a better option at that price.

    Any thoughts on this potential move?

    1. chocolove
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Double up. Let Salah go

  7. waltzingmatildas
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Ait-Nouri to Perisic for a hit?

    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Not sure it’s worth a hit?
      AN could start midweek and they play a wounded Bournemouth

    2. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I like Ait Nourri but he is never nailed not sure why?

  8. XX SMICER XX
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    What’s best?
    A. Cancelo & Jesus
    B. Stones & Kane

    1. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      A.

  9. Iceball
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Salah or Haaland captain?

    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Salah plays 90
      Haaland maybe rotated

    2. Over Midwicket
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Haalz.

    3. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Salah

    4. banskt
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Salah.

    5. Haalander
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Same here I’m between both. I’ll be keeping a close eye and trying to read pep’s mind in the presser

  10. Paqueta Rice
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Any chance Zanka stays in the bees starting XI while Ajmer and Pinnock are injured?

  11. Admiral Benson
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Ramsdale & Trippier to Sanchez & Perisic for free? Yay or nay?

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Nay

    2. banskt
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Nay.

      Trippier better than Perisic. (Trippier nailed, on set pieces, playing for a top 6 team with excellent fixtures)
      Ramsdale better than Raya. (playing for a top 4 team, excellent fixtures)

      The above is in my opinion. Clearly, you think otherwise. So, I am curious why would you think so.

      1. Botman and Robben
        • 7 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Too bad Trippier didn't take that last free kick.

        1. Admiral Benson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          I’m sure he was struggling with that injury. Didn’t take that free kick and played really deep in last 20 mins

      2. Admiral Benson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        It was Sanchez I was after rather than Raya. Think Arsenal defence (especially Rams) has a mistake in them

  12. Valar(Keith)
    • 14 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    I can't quite figure out what to do this week. Got 2 Fts but a great 11 and 0 in the bank

    Sanchez
    TAA Cancelo James Saliba
    Salah Gross Martinelli
    Haaland Toney Jesus

    Ward Zaha Andreas Neco

    If Zaha is out i can use my transfer on him but there's noone i would want who would replace any of my starting xi this week.
    Cancelo is someone is like to downgrade but he has NFO this week. Should i just burn it?

    Alternatively could go crazy with Perisic and Diaz in for Cancelo and Zaha

    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      If Zaha is out downgrade him to 4.5m. Means you have lots in the bank and 2FT next week to play with

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        I honestly dunno what id do with all that cash. I've maxed spending on defense with premiums and I'm happy with my forward line and my mid is fine too. Zaha to a 4.5 would let me upgrade gross to Diaz next week but I'm not sure i want to lose gross either

        May just do something stupid like ward to Iversen or something to save 0.1 lol. Or maybe Zaha to aaronson and neco to Perisic and go all out with a great bench. Weird season this is with all this cash and nowhere to spend it haha

    2. Haalander
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I know it’s not good to do but you could burn the transfer the team looks good to me and Zaha hopefully is t long term. I made the mistake of using a transfer for the sake of not burning one and ended up making my team worse so I’d hold of I were you

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        I know those is logical. But burning a transfer feels like such a waste. It's the one rule in fpl ive always hated

        1. Haalander
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          But feel your team is quite strong and definitely wait for the news to see how long Zaha is out. He’s defo playing well and in form. Be a shame to take him out when palace fixtures are shortly going to turn

          1. Valar(Keith)
            • 14 Years
            1 year, 8 months ago

            Yup. Will wait till the press conferences. If he is fit il just swap ward for Iversen so i feel i used my transfer lol

    3. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I would not rule out a simple sideways move for Bernardo in place of Zaha

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        That actually makes sense for a one week punt. Cheers. Can always double transfer my way out of it the next week too

    4. Admiral Benson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Team looks great. Take a short term punt to remove Zaha. You can always get him back in a few weeks

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Cheers. May just drop Cancelo and get Diaz and Perisic in. I'd probably want fofana in for Cancelo soon anyway and this could be a stop gap until then

    5. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Thanks all. Will wait until deadline day and make a decision. Cheers

  13. SH1M1
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Last year there were no Forwards to choose from, now it feels like we have plenty !

  14. g40steve
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Diaz & Sterling or Diaz & Kulu?

    1. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Losing Bailey & Salah

    2. Mambino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Money no option then Sterling - I'm keeping a close eye on him and might even trade Salah for him

      1. g40steve
        • 6 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Yes dropping Walker to Veltman to find.

        1. g40steve
          • 6 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          Raya,
          Veltman, James, Saliba, Trent.
          Martinelli, Diaz, Sterling, KDB
          Hauland, Jesus

          Ward, Andreas, Neco, Taylor

    3. Haalander
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Diaz and Sterling for me

  15. Botman and Robben
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    2FT and 0.5ITB. A or B?

    A. Cancelo + Archer -> Toney + Saliba
    B. Cancelo + Archer -> Mitrovic + Walker

    Sanchez
    TAA Cancelo James
    Salah Diaz Martinelli Rodrigo Andreas
    Haaland Jesus

    Ward Trippier N.Williams Archer
    -----------------------------------

    1. royals forever
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      B

    2. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      A

  16. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Moves likely to be done gw6 but appreciate early thoughts. Who to downgrade for allowing Toney up front and switch to 343

    A cancelo to 4.5
    B maddison to Aaronson.

    If I do A, maddison could become diaz kulu or foden

    Cheers

    1. Haalander
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Big call to get rid of cancello. But if you were to downgrade to say dunk or any 4.5 you do have two scoring points potentials vs one

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Cheers

  17. Call Me Old Fashioned
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Sanchez
    Trent Robbo Cancelo
    Salah Martinelli Aaronson Andreas
    Haaland Jesus Toney

    Ward Trippier DaSilva Neco

    1FT, 0.8 in bank

    1 - Robbo to Saliba/Perisic/Gabriel
    2 - Robbo and Aaronson to Saliba and Luiz Diaz (-4)
    3 - Aaronson to Gross
    4 - Robbo to James
    5 - Save FT

    1. royals forever
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      4

  18. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Your help is needed please

    Which player should I downgrade to enable me to do Kane > Haaland

    Ramsdale Ward

    TAA James Walker Cucurella Williams

    Salah Saka Diaz Gross Peirera

    Jesus Greenwood

    0.1 ITB

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Saka to da silva

    2. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I would keep Kane this gw

    3. Mambino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I don't think you should do that move but if you must then wait for Kane's inevitable rise back to 11.5 and do Ramsdale to Raya - you don't even need to wait for the pay rise but there should be one coming

    4. Scots Gooner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Cucu to Fofana?

    5. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Kane or Haaland is always going to be a conundrum when Kane is a better cap option in the end.

      Owning both plus Salah weakens your team.

    6. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Walker to Veltman Brighton cover

  19. Vazza
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Just deleted my FPL team. Can't be any happier. 🙂

    1. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Might join ya

      1. Vazza
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        You'd be surprised how many meaningful things you could accomplish if it wasn't for FPL.

        1. el polako
          • 6 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          Imagine 8 million people trying each day for few hours discover new sources of renewable energy.

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 8 months ago

            The truth!

          2. Vazza
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 8 months ago

            Here's to a new beginning. 🙂

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              • 4 Years
              1 year, 8 months ago

              You should have rather just logged off and forgotten about your team and only log on when the new season starts.

    2. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Thinking of doing the same, but wish I had the courage to actually go through with it

      1. Vazza
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Set yourself free and embrace life mate.

    3. Don Rogers FC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I’m going fallow next season, just to see.

    4. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      It's nice to hear that it made you happy and if you feel like you really had to do it, it's definitely the right decision. You're probably gonna enjoy watching the football more from now on without worrying how your players are doing.

      1. Vazza
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Thanks mate.

  20. THFC4LIFE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    8m gameweek rank, down to 3.8m OR

    Worst start I’ve ever had

    1. snow pea in repose
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      3 quick gws in a row, a chance to make some strides

      1. snow pea in repose
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        I suppose that would be 2

  21. KeanosMagic
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Which midfielder up to 5.7 to have as first bench?

    Gross currently, but if I'm benching, with just going DaSilva and save 1.1 m?

  22. el polako
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Raphinha is really enjoying himself at Barca.

    1. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      One of those guys who'd have enjoyed himself anywhere he went

    2. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Better at Leeds

    3. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Barcelona hit the jackpot with him. Raphinha is twice the player Antony is for nearly half the price.

  23. Philosopher's Stones
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Best option:

    A: quit the game
    B: keep playing anyways

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      A

  24. Casualspotted
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    I assume Perisic start vs WHU, then rest vs Fulham. If he starts vs WHU im selling him for Fofana probably

  25. Gandalf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    What to do with Salah, Kane, Haaland threemium?

    A. Kane > Mitrovic/Toney, and DaSilva > Diaz

    B. Same moves as A, but Haaland rather than Kane

    C. Downgrade Salah

    D. Keep all 3

    1. Haalander
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      In the same boat myself. I know Kane scored twice but watching the game today think he drifts too deep where as Haaland is a pure stoked as is Jesus mitro etc. I’m inclined to say A and Kane to mitro. A

  26. Muscout
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    2 FT what to do?

    Sanchez
    TAA Robbo Cancelo James Perisic
    Salah Mart Rodrigo
    Haaland Jesus

    Ward Andreas Bailey Archer

  27. windowview
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Captain Haaland next GW or an Arsenal player, as they have Villa?

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      Jesus, but Salah if you have him?

      1. windowview
        • 8 Years
        1 year, 8 months ago

        Don't feel that Newcastle will roll over tho

        1. Haalander
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 8 months ago

          They won’t roll over I agree but Bruno G and possibly tripps not involved might swing the pendulum towards salah. Let’s see in the pressers

  28. sirmorbach
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    Please:

    Alisson (Ward)
    TAA, Cancelo, Trippier, Saliba (Neco)
    Salah, Bowen, Martinelli, Rodrigo (Andreas)
    Haaland, Jesus (Archer)

    A. Bowen to Zaha/Gundo/Gross/Kulu
    B. Bowen to Gross, Archer to Mitrovic (- 4)
    C. Alisson to Sánchez, Bowen to Díaz (- 4)

    Leaning towards B because of rotation risks.

  29. Stimps
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    1.7itb

    Sanchez
    TAA Cancelo Cucarella
    Salah Martinelli Rodrigo Andreas
    Haaland Toney Jesus

    Ward Bailey Trippier Neco

    A) Save FT
    B) Bailey to Gross (bench Andreas)
    C) Cucurella to James / Perisic
    D) Other suggestions?

  30. Randaxus
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 8 months ago

    79 points not bad.

    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      About time

    2. Don Rogers FC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 8 months ago

      I’m content with 73. So yea, not bad.