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Why do some players ‘troll’ us in FPL?

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Here, former champion Simon March looks at the players with infamous reputations in FPL.

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If you’ve played FPL for long enough, there’s a good chance that there is at least one player who, despite them seeming to perform well most of the time, and definitely for your rivals, they never quite seem to do it for you. The classic phrase in FPL circles is ‘I’ve been burned by them in the past’ and it’s a widely accepted justification to label that player ‘a troll’ and subsequently avoid them like the plague.

The problem is, most of the players who we individually label ‘trolls’ also somehow manage to be among the highest-scoring players in the game, if not for the whole season, then for parts of it at least. To write them off completely means we’re also writing off our chances of gaining those points.

So why, when we consider a player, do some of us see trolls while others see assets? Is it a bias and, if so, how do we overcome it? These questions will be the focus of this article.

Beware of Trolls

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Top of mind right now when it comes to this type of player is Manchester City’s Riyad Mahrez (£7.8m) who, due to his alleged ‘troll-like’ behaviour in the past (appearing to be a really good option before immediately losing all form or being unexpectedly dropped from the team altogether), was overlooked by many as an option ahead of City’s first of two recent Double Gameweeks. Unfortunately for those managers, Mahrez went on to score 40 points in his next four Gameweeks. Fortunately for those who did avoid him, he then got benched completely in Gameweek 24. So maybe they had a point.

But Mahrez is far from the only player with this reputation, Chelsea’s Reece James (£5.8m) is another contemporary FPL asset whose inevitable hauls appear to require monk-like patience and surgical precision in order to hit. Even Eden Hazard, one of the best FPL assets in recent memory, was tagged by some with the ‘troll’ label. 

For me, if you’re interested, that player was former Arsenal, Man City and West Ham United midfielder Samir Nasri, who I owned countless times throughout my FPL career, yet I somehow never managed to get as much as an assist out of him. All of these players are or were, statistically at least, good FPL assets. So why do they end up trolling us?

It’s our fault

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To some extent, the reason we label FPL players as trolls is down to us. Our personal experience of the world is only a fraction of what is actually going on, yet it tends to disproportionately influence how we perceive it. 

The same applies to FPL and, consequently, since we cannot own all the FPL players all of the time, our perceptions of FPL assets will be based heavily on our own personal experiences with them. If we owned a player and they frustrated us by blanking, we may well view that player as a ‘troll’. Since personal experience is usually a more powerful influence on our beliefs than objective data, we might be reluctant to ever own that player again, even if the stats suggest that they are a good asset and that we were just unfortunate at the time.

Of course, this works both ways and we might put undue faith in players who we did happen to own in their better moments. It’s for this exact reason that I have to often physically restrain myself from transferring in Aston Villa’s Danny Ings (£6.4m) because, if Ings actually scored in general at the level that he has somehow managed to score when I’ve owned him in FPL, he’d be talked about alongside the like of Lionel Messi and Gerd Muller. I think most of us have one or two of these ‘favourites’ for whom our soft spots aren’t quite accurate reflections of reality.

Finally, we have to factor in the possibility that, sometimes, we jump on players who we were simply wrong to put our faith in in the first place. Lots of players can go on a run of scoring points and it’s up to us to determine whether or not this is sustainable. If we transfer in a player who is somehow finishing every chance they take, for example, there’s a good chance that their run won’t continue and we’ll be disappointed. It’s unfair to label these players ‘trolls’ when, in reality, we’ve mostly trolled ourselves.

No, it’s their fault

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Certain players are, however, objectively more prone to troll-like behaviour, though this still doesn’t mean they’re necessarily bad FPL assets.

A key characteristic of FPL trolls is a tendency to score in an inconsistent or erratic manner and there is a strong likelihood that they also play in a team with a high number of fixtures, various alternative options in their squad and a tendency to rotate.

If you want to get points from these types of players, you almost have no option but to keep them in your team and persist with them through the blanks and the benchings until they do eventually score. Then you have to hope that, when they do come, those scores will be worth your patience. 

Sometimes they are. A player who scores a huge haul every few Gameweeks but blanks in the others is often as good, in pure point-scoring terms, as a player who consistently racks up smaller scores more regularly.

It really comes down to what you are willing to stomach and, if you prefer a greater level of consistency in your squad, you’re probably better off avoiding players with these particular characteristics.

Summary

Because our personal experiences are hugely influential on the way we perceive things, we are prone to judging FPL players disproportionately based on our own histories with them. Consequently, we tend to feel trolled by, or sometimes overly enamoured with, certain players based on whether we owned them in their worst or best moments.

Either perspective is probably somewhat divorced from objective reality and, therefore, allowing it to guide our FPL decisions can backfire in all sorts of negative ways. As always, it’s a good idea to sense-check our gut decisions against a more impartial data source wherever possible.

That said, it’s not all in our heads and some players genuinely do demonstrate troll-like behaviour, especially those who tend to score erratically or in short, unsustainable bursts. We may need to demonstrate greater patience in order to get the best out of the former and greater rigour in our analysis if we want to spot, and perhaps avoid, the latter.

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  1. EL tridente
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    1ft left – already done KDB to Salah. What to do?

    A) Kane and Shaw to Darwin and TAA for -4
    B) Mitro and Trippier to Cunha and Robbo for -4
    C) Mitro and Shaw to Cunha and Van Dijk for -4
    D) Shaw to Tarkowski

    Will most likely WC in GW27.

    1. Legohair
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A

      1. Microcuts
        • 13 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Definitely A, i'm considering it for a -8....

        1. I like to party
          • 8 Years
          1 year, 2 months ago

          You've not seen Darwin shoot or Liverpool defend then I assume?

          1. Microcuts
            • 13 Years
            1 year, 2 months ago

            What can I say? I'm a glutton for punishment.

    2. Cojones of Destiny
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      D

  2. Legohair
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Which one?

    A. KDB&Shaw to Salah&Tarkowski(free)
    B. A+ Kane to Darwin(-4)

    1. Cojones of Destiny
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A

  3. Mr.K
    • 10 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Any solid defenders playing this week?

    I'm sitting on a defence line of Tarkowski - Trippier - Botman - Perraud - Bueno and am looking to transfer Botman to get 11 players that are actually playing this week, but I'm having a very hard time finding good candidates. So far TAA would seem like the best option but I can't afford him (plus he's obviously a pretty big risk as well and I'm saying this as a Liverpool fan). Arsenal defensive form hasn't been great, same with Chelsea and even ManCity. Even Newcastle has been performing on the level that I'd be looking to drop the double-def based on results as well, but who to get instead?

    Tottenham? Budget is 6.6M and another alternative might be to upgrade Almiron to a 7.4M mid, but I'd prefer the defensive upgrade if there's a good one.

    1. Our Tiny Windows
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Peresic?

    2. Dammit_182
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      You could just get another Everton one? I believe they will play right through these blank game weeks coming up and you get 2 games out of them this week. At home they seem a force.

    3. Cojones of Destiny
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Dawson/Kilman/Emerson

    4. Bavarian
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      VVD

    5. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Upgrade Almiron as the priority for GW25. Bigger ceiling for points for a mid over defender. Botman can wait to be sorted next week or after.

    6. Mr.K
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I realized I was being dumb, and actually need to take a hit and upgrade both Almiron and Botman. I think I'll go with Martinelli and Emerson. Wolves or Everton would be ok options price-wise, but I don't think either of the teams are good enough that I want to double up on them. VVD has the same risks as TAA but less of a chance for the rewards. And The Penman is probably right, I don't think I want to invest big bucks on defense.

      Thanks all for the suggestions!

  4. Dammit_182
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Morning all, I’m on a FH and really struggling with the 11th player in. Happy to play a single game week player but I’m struggling. Any thoughts?

    Sa (Forster)

    TAA, VVD, Tarcowsci (mykelenko, kilman)

    Salah, odegaard, saka, Bowen (?)

    Haaland, Nketia (?)

    got 12.5 ITB and can squeeze a bit more out of defence if needed. I’m currently on Mahrez but welcome any other thoughts!

    1. notlob legin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      In my opinion it has to be Darwin - lose VVD

      1. Dammit_182
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Cheers bud. That could well be the missing piece of the puzzle!

      2. The Mentaculus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Agreed

  5. The-Red-1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Kane or Darwin for a -4?

    1. Our Tiny Windows
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Darwin

  6. Cojones of Destiny
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Which option looking ahead:
    a. Salah + Darwin (Lose Rash)
    b. Salah + Watkins (Lose Mitoma, save FT in 26 and keep Rash, get Mitoma/March in 27)

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      B don't lose Rashford

  7. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    A Hold Félix and get TAA for Shaw playing 11 for hit
    B Hold Shaw on bench and get Darwin- means 10 starters for hit

    1. Cojones of Destiny
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      tough, probz A

  8. AC/DC AFC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    To Liverpool or not?

    I think navigating the blanks is the real driver this weekend.

    https://twitter.com/CORF_FPL/status/1628303525108232193?t=vowEyoea2Knt88wxFopHiQ&s=19

    1. ted mcnure
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      This is it, and in reply to Gunnerss below..I´m really tempted to roll a transfer rather than go Liverpool crazy..
      (H)aaland this gw.

    2. Gon Freecss
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Very helpful, thank you!

    3. CONNERS
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      My personal opinion is that their attack is a buy, their defence is an avoid.

      Salah the main priority, the rest will most likely share minutes.

  9. Letsgo!
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Do u tbink both saka and martinelli will start both dgw games?

    1. Fitzy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Saka has started every game, including the last DGW ones. Doubt that changes.

    2. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Yes.

    3. _Gunner
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Both will start yes

  10. Letsgo!
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Anyone like me nt taking any liv players?

  11. Bury94
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Martinez, KDB, Kane -> TAA, Salah, Darwin (-4)

    As crazy as that sounds, it would be quite fun...

    1. Fitzy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Doesn't even sound crazy

    2. Letsgo!
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I wont sell kane vs chelsea. Plus u are tripling up liv assets, i can only say goodluck

    3. OptimusBlack
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Noo

      1. OptimusBlack
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Keep Kane

  12. Matty172
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Any tips on chip strategy for those without a FH left?
    Currently winging it week by week for now!

    1. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Try to make some plans 4-6 GWs ahead otherwise you might get in trouble. But don't worry about having a bad GW28 - rather maximise your score in the doubles either side of it

      1. Arteta
        • 8 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Solid advice.

    2. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      FA Cup quarter final weekend is traditionally the big blank.

      Worse weeks coming up than this one...

    3. Shultan
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Focus on teams playing in both GW28 & doubling in GW29 like Chelsea

    4. ted mcnure
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Same. WC before a big DGW then BB, if you still have those chips, and as you say, wing it. Don´t worry about blank weeks..

    5. Charlie Price
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Join the club. It may seem like stating the obvious but all you can do is use your free transfers wisely and if you have to take hits to achieve a team of 11 then always look at replacing non playing players with those who have fixtures. I myself am taking a -8 this week I think but I will be taking out blanking players & replacing them with DGW players. That way the appearance points will hopefully cover the hits cost.

      1. Matty172
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Thanks all, great advice!

  13. Strchld
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Toney, Shaw and Botman out
    Darwin, TAA and Tarkowski in for -4? Yay or nay? Won't have Salah.

  14. OptimusBlack
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Already use my 2 FT
    Ramsdale ( Ward)
    Tarko Akè ( Patterson)
    Ødegaard Saka Salah©
    Kane Haaland Mitro
    0.1 m itb
    (Tripper Mee Rashford Mitoma)
    Would u do any transfers with -4

    1. Gon Freecss
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Have a very similar team. Waiting for news on Mitro. If he's 100% out, what would be your plan to field 11?

      1. OptimusBlack
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Would do another transfer with -4 and get 10 players

  15. Scots Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Kane to Darwin worth -4?

    1. OptimusBlack
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Nope

    2. Bury94
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Depends what you do with the money

    3. notlob legin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I'm doing exactly that as it'll leave me the money to bring Toney in for his double

  16. FPLMACKEM
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Kepa
    Tarkowski, White, Patterson
    KDB, Saka, Bruno, Andreas
    Haaland, Nketiah, Toney

    Ward, Trippier, Rashford, Shaw

    1ft 0.5 it

    Is this worth a -8?

    KDB, Bruno and Shaw to Salah, Gakpo and TAA?

  17. Arteta
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Liverpool have to splash the cash on players like Gvardiol, Bellingham, Kvaratskhelia, Nunes or Caicedo in the summer, if they'd like to compete for the titles again.

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      they'll need to qualify top 4 to do that.

      Interestingly it is histocially often Liverpool or Manchester United challenging at the top, rather than both at the same time.

    2. CABAYE4
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      One quality CM and that team will be fighting for the league next season.

  18. AC/DC AFC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Anyhow...

    may as well wait for the outcome of Manchester United v Barcelona to decide which of their players to switch around.

  19. Shultan
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Genuinely can't decide how to play my chips FH/WC/BB. My team not set up well for anything

    No DGW players for 27
    6 players for BGW 28
    7 DGW players in 29

    Kepa/ward
    White/tark/shaw/bot/trip
    Salah/ode/mahrez/andrea/rash
    Haaland/kane/nketiah

    1. CABAYE4
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      You’ve got a good team.

      Personally I’d largely ignore GW27. If Leeds beat Fulham in the cup you’ll have a good team for GW28 and then you can choose to FH/WC in GW29.

  20. The Mighty Whites
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    2FT, 2.5 ITB, thoughts?

    Kepa
    Akanji* / White / Patterson*
    KDB* / Martinelli / Andreas
    Haaland / Mitrovic* / Nketiah

    Subs: Ward / Rashford / Fernandes / Shaw / Trippier.

    1. UnitednationsXI
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Kdb > Salah
      Shaw > Taa or Mart > Saka?

      1. The Mighty Whites
        • 9 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Wouldn’t be able to raise 11 then, assuming Mitro is out, Akanji doesn’t start, and Patterson doesn’t play

  21. _Ninja_
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Best move here?

    A. Bruno -> Salah
    B. Bruno//Nketiah -> Saka/Nunez -4

    Ederson
    White Bruno Tark
    Odegaard Mahrez Andreas
    Haaland Kane Toney

    Kepa Shaw Rashford Fernandes Trippier

    1. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Sorry Toney is Nketiah

    2. Shultan
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Just A

    3. UnitednationsXI
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Bruno / Def > Salah + Taa?

    4. Salah_Fingers
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A

  22. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Really confused on how much I want Saka (for Martenelli). Which combo would you prefer for next few gw's. Already have Salah

    A: TAA + Martenelli + Kane
    B: Tark + Saka + Kane (-4)
    C: TAA + Saka + Darwin (-8)

    1. Solly The Seagull
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A if you have Salah. B or C if not

      1. UnitednationsXI
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Already have Salah.

        I can see the appeal with all of them. Saka's EO will be very high in gw25 with cpt, he is a good cpt choice in gw26 and gw28

  23. CrouchDown
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    When are FA cup replays? If Fulham draw with Leeds does that mean we won’t know if Liverpool have a blank in 28

    1. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I'm not 100% sure (hopefully someone else can confirm) but I don't think there are replays this round. Straight to ET/pens

    2. Tonyawesome69
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      No replay in the 5th round. Liverpool blank if Fulham beat Leeds

    3. Silver_and_Gold
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      There's a replay in case of a draw. The following mid-week

      1. Silver_and_Gold
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Correction - no replays 🙂 ET and penalties. Sorry for messing up

        1. CrouchDown
          • 11 Years
          1 year, 2 months ago

          No worries - glad it’s being settled next week

    4. CrouchDown
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Some varied responses lol

      1. Silver_and_Gold
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        "(...)However, for the 2022/2023 edition of the FA Cup replays are returning for the third and fourth round. The fifth round will continue to have extra-time and penalties and there will not be replays at this stage of the tournament.(...)"

  24. Kantelele
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Which WHU def is best option ?

    1. Stranger Mings
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I went Emerson for value

      1. Kantelele
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        because of price ?

    2. CrouchDown
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Emerson but don’t be surprised to see Cresswell start the odd game

      1. Kantelele
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        consider Ogbonna,Emerson,Kehrer,Coufal

        1. CrouchDown
          • 11 Years
          1 year, 2 months ago

          I don’t think any of those are nailed

          Aguerd the only safe one

      2. Stranger Mings
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Yes as thought couldn’t go wrong at 4 but maybe if can afford it go ones kantelle said

  25. Kantelele
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    consider Ogbonna,Kehrer,Coufal,Emerson

  26. Slitherene
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Best defender under 4.3 barring WOL & EVE?

  27. Glitterfart
    • 1 Year
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Already used my two free transfers to get in Tark and Salah, now have 6 dgw players.

    Do I spend 8 points to do:
    Kane+Cucurella > Darwin+TAA

    Not convinced by Liverpool defensively (obviously), so leaning towards not taking the hit