Euro 2012

Matchday One – Day Two – Dugout Discussion

Attention turns to Group B on day two of Euro 2012 with a couple of the tournament favourites in action this evening. The Dutch face Denmark in the five o’clock kick-off, with Germany following on to take on Portugal. There’s a whole host of Fantasy talent on show, then, with big expectations and captain’s armbands aplenty.

Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open to soak up your thoughts as this evening’s lip-smacking ties progress.

The lineups for the early game are in:

Holland: Stekelenburg, Van der Wiel, Heitinga, Vlaar, Willems, Van Bommel, N De Jong, Robben, Sneijder, Afellay, Van Persie

Denmark: Andersen, Kjær, Agger, S Poulsen, Jacobsen, Kvist, Eriksen, Zimling, Krohn-Dehli, Rommedahl, Bendtner

So Ron Vlaar partners Johnny Heitinga in the Dutch back four with Joris Mathijsen missing out having seemingly failed to shake off a hamstring injury. Jetro Willems, at just 18-years-old, becomes the youngest player to feature in the Euro’s – he claims the left-back spot. Ibrahim Afellay gets the nod and is set to line up on the left of an attacking midfield three, with Robin Van Persie taking up the striker’s role ahead of Jan Klass Huntelaar as expected. Vlaar for Mathijsen is the only change to the lineup we predicted earlier in the week, then, while Denmark line up just as we expected – Stephan Andersen gets the nod in goal.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. COMH
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    That 6-0 win over NI not looking so clever after all.

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    1. Shaps
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      Are you saying they should off scored less?

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      1. Carlos Danger
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        yes shaps, yes, that is exactly what he's saying -.-

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  2. Camzy
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    Holland's buildup is too slow.

    De Jong > Strootman at half time.

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    1. COMH
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      Painfully slow. Makes it too easy for Denmark to get bodies behind the ball and stop them.

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    2. RÏɠBY
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      they just look really lazy
      like they're suprised they have to make an effort

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    3. Chazza
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      Or VDV

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      1. Declan-
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        +1 de jong to vdv would be good

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  3. FORCA INTER
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    45min to go

    stop panic 😉

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      Indeed. Im worried about young Afellay getting taken off for another striker though. That is the problem.

      Sneijder is clearly out of form

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      1. The Milkman
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        VDV on for Sneijder!

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    2. Touré De Force
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      I'll have that at half time. All the big hitters quiet.

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    3. FORCA INTER
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      VDV-sneijder
      Huntelaar-RVP

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  4. OPTA FPL
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    Switch Lewan (C) fail !!

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    1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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      to whom u switched?

      BTW it's not over yet...

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    2. Touré De Force
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      😀

      So it begins.

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      1. FORCA INTER
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        haha,indeed

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      2. RÏɠBY
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        haha!

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      3. isacki: full casual
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        Hahaha

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    3. dizFaris
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      Yup, you must wait till Huntelaar coming for RVP and score to say that.. ;p

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  5. COMH
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    van der Wiel and Willems need to get beyond Afellay and Robben and get in behind their defence.

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    1. isacki: full casual
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      Exactly, Holland front four has had almost no support from the fullbacks.

      I think the injuries have given them second rate defenders, to be honest.

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  6. Carlos Danger
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    lol center ref looks a bit like affelay

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  7. dizFaris
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    I can only thank Camzy for making me stick to Shirokov.. Still cant believe you are not woman though..

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    1. Pratik
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      That pic of Ana Ivanovic has been there for the past 2-3 years...Bet that's what got you.

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    2. BONZ
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      how many times have you smacked the salami over Camzy?

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  8. RÏɠBY
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    just realised why it seems soo bizarre
    it's like watching an american soccer league game

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  9. isacki: full casual
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    Holland should have scored twice given the number of chances they created. Denmark's forward play and passing is quality, but both defences are a chaotic mess.

    I think RVP is essential to the side but worry if Marwijk will consider subbing Huntelaar on if there's no goal in the next 20.

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  10. The Milkman
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    De Jong off - Strootman on.
    Sneijder off - VDV on.

    I'd love that!

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      So would I, but its not going to happen

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  11. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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    I think the lack of mobility behind Sneijder is hindering Holland a lot as every time Sneijder tries to come deep the Danish DM snaps him up

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    1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
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      +1. De Jong and van Bommel is so defensive. I'd understand it against Germany or Spain, but would've thought just one of those two would be sufficient against Denmark and Portugal, with a more creative player alongside.

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      1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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        Strootman gives a lot more mobility, Van Bommel and De Jong are being caught in no mans land far too much.

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    2. isacki: full casual
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      Yep I disagree with people saying Sneijder is out of form. He's basically isolated in the centre because he's the only Dutch player to be seen in the middle of the park for yards. Hence Van Persie is being used as a target man because the ball is not being worked through the middle. Van Bommel > VDV and he can push up and support Sneijder, then RVP can get the diagonal balls he loves.

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  12. Coldplay
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    YES!! My Krohn-Delhi punt finally worked. Too bad I didn't captain him.

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    1. beric
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      Well played mate! I see you're top of our Pro league as well.

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      1. Coldplay
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        😉 Thanks to Dzagoev.
        Although I am not a fan of its point system, That needs to improve

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        1. dizFaris
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          Wow, you are such a lucky man..but i must say, having 2 scorer is a genius..not lucky..congrats!! 🙂

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          1. Coldplay
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            Thanks, but I don't have Dzagoev and Krohn-Delhi in the same teams. They are in different teams in different games.

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    2. FORCA INTER
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      nice one 😀

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    3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      you and me all the way mate. You told me to go for it. So happy I listened

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      1. Coldplay
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        Good for you. I am glad I can share my excitement with someone. 😀

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          I am in shock, honestly can't believe it. I nipped out of the room at 0-0, came back in and saw 1-0. Then he popped up on screen and I nearly put my head through the ceiling I jumped that high

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          1. Coldplay
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            Right? I had exaaactly the same reaction

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    4. chilin_dude
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      finally? its the first game

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  13. crystalpalaceRus
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    Cheer up i guess, always got 2 more days to pick a captain

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  14. Chrissy Waddle - 2023/24
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    Redknapps face in HD looks like it's been put together with silly putty.

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    1. suddenorgan
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      lol

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  15. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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    Holland been poor, pace is too slow.

    Get De Jong or Van Bommell off for VDV or Kuyt

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    1. mufc802
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      3 wingers wont work lol. If Kuyt comes on it will be for Affelay. One of De Jong or Van B should come off though.

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    2. isacki: full casual
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      Van Bommel > VDV would be a great sub IMO. No connection between defence and attack at the minute.

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  16. Touré De Force
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    Sneijder is playing ok, don't know why people are saying he's out of form. Could do with a bit of support.

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    1. FORCA INTER
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      he dont play well dude

      2 years ago he was all over the place and one of the best players on planet

      now he is just average player

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      1. dizFaris
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        Affelay cost him..Affelay is not a team player..bring on VDV, and you will see..

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        1. The Milkman
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          Rubbish, Affelay is much more of a team player than VDV. I like both players but what you say makes no sense.

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          1. dizFaris
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            AffeHurm, I dont like the way Affelay play..i watch every barca match, but having him is such a disadvantage..

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      2. Touré De Force
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        A bit better than average now to be fair! Granted, I accept he was one of the best in the world two years ago.

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        1. RÏɠBY
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          your irony bone is broken

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          1. Infinite Sheldon
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            Do you know what irony is? I assume you mean sarcasm but you didn't sound sarcastic

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      3. Infinite Sheldon
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        Are you serious? Average? I'm pretty sure most people think he's at least better than average

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      4. isacki: full casual
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        Inter haven't used him right. I follow them and I've felt very sorry for him at times . Out of position.

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      5. FORCA INTER
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        ok my bad,he is one of my fav players since i suporting inter and i always wanna see him to do well

        he is obviously better than avarage player

        but he isn't same player like he was 2 years ago

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        1. isacki: full casual
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          Fair enough... he has not had the same impact of late. But I don't think he's been given a chance to.

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    2. Carlos Danger
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      +1 set up rvp for best chance of the game

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  17. Menly
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    I was beginning to feel a little smug over the people that had switched their captains to RVP, then I realised there is another half left, and they get 2 other tries at a captain

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      changed mine from Sniejder to Ozil 5 mins before the deadline

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  18. Coldplay
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    The Dutch Coach needs to put VDW on for De Jong. If RVP has to be involved in build-up play, then obviously there is no one to finish, as he is the lone striker. Or mayber bring Hunt in, who will at least be available as a target man.

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    1. The Milkman
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      VDW is already on at right-back.

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      1. The Milkman
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        😉

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      2. Coldplay
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        Oh sorry, I meant VDV

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    2. Elniñorules
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      *vdv

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  19. sotothemightygreek
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    I love Didi Hamann's accent!

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  20. dizFaris
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    Bring out Affelay for VDV..

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    1. The Milkman
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      Not watching the game then? He's been the best player, why would the manager take him off?

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      1. COMH
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        Exactly.

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      2. dizFaris
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        He is notsupporting Sneijder at all, Sneijder doesn't have the freedom at the left side..Affelay would just go for himself..

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        1. Infinite Sheldon
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          Not a clue what you're talking about

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          1. dizFaris
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            I know you are aginst me, but I watch Affelay play quite a lot of times in Barca..he loves to forward which is not a good thing to do when Barca is builiding up the play..

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            1. Infinite Sheldon
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              Hollands build up play has been good. It's the finishing that's the problem

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              1. dizFaris
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                Thats what i'm talking about..affelay must be patience enough..he just like to shoot whenever he got the chance..this is not portugal or chelsea

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          2. The Milkman
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            +1

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    2. Coldplay
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      No, bring on VDV for De Jong. They don't really need him as he is doing nothing. Affelay at least can run and pass.

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      1. dizFaris
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        I prefer that, but i dont think de jong is out unless he got red card.. 🙂

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  21. RÏɠBY
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    haha.. gabby doing her best impersonation on gerrard
    "it's been 10 years since england have beaten a top 10 team.."

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    1. Infinite Sheldon
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      Impersonation?

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      1. RÏɠBY
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        yes

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        1. Infinite Sheldon
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          She is trying to sound like Gerrard?

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  22. COMH
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    Gerrard is just mumbling

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    1. sotothemightygreek
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      Have you ever heard him speak before? He's nearly always like that.

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      1. COMH
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        Usually I can decipher what he is saying. Not today though.

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    2. beric
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      He looked like he was about to start crying

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  23. hellothere23
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    Affelay isn't seeing the ball much 🙁

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  24. LasCebollitas
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    De Jong off, VDV on.

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    1. The Milkman
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      Would be a good move I think!

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      1. LasCebollitas
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        No point playing 2 holders. Sneijder can drop back a little if needs be and come forward when time is right. Dutch HAVE to win this!

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  25. OPTA FPL
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    Affelay useless Robben selfist (as young CR7), RVP plays widely & deeply...

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    1. OPTA FPL
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      *selfish

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      1. Infinite Sheldon
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        He decided to pass when he should have shot when he had that chance

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  26. beric
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    Come on Sneijder 😀

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    1. Coldplay
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      COME ON AFFELAY!!

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      1. beric
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        Off at 59mins

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  27. Riddler
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    Never sure why team's play 2 defensive mids...De Jong & Van Bommel are both enforcerr-types, I'd drop Snijeder back deepr and bring an attacking mid on.

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  28. Eoin
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    I can remember Coldplay, JKisthe1 and few others mentioning they were going to take a punt on Krohn-Dehli. Congratulations lads, fair play.

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    1. Coldplay
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      Thanks, but he was in for Shirkov so it is pretty much balanced.

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        I got both 8)

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        1. Coldplay
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          You sir are a genius then.

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        2. Eoin
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          Thank god I'm not in your FFS Friendly WC group then

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      2. Eoin
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        balanced for now anyways, he's looking very dangerous. Could probe again

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      think only me and Coldplay went through with it. I just bailed my partner out of a Shirokov on the bench sized hole

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      1. Eoin
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        Shirokov on the bench? How did that happen?

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          I have no idea how he pulled it off, think he forgot to confirm it. At least 1 of us started him

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          1. Eoin
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            jeez that's gutting. Won't be too bad a pill to swallow as long you guys get the 3 points I guess

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  29. Fernando Torres
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    How many captain changes can you do per game week?

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    1. Eoin
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      3. You can have four captains

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  30. Jafooli
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    How is RVP playing? Shots on target or likley to get hauled off after 60mins?

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    1. Eoin
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      Both.

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