Moving Target

Moving Target – Andre Wisdom

Deemed surplus to requirements at Anfield, Liverpool defender Andre Wisdom penned a season-long loan deal with Norwich City last week. Talking to the club’s official website, the 22-year-old insisted that’s he’s in prime shape for a Premier League start:

“I spoke to the manager, and he’s told me what he wants from myself and the team collectively. It’s going to be good and I can’t wait to get started. I’ve maintained a high fitness level because I’ve been on tour with Liverpool, so I’m coming here fit and ready to go. I’m hoping to help the team by contributing on and off the pitch.”

The History

Born in Leeds, Wisdom started out at Bradford City’s youth academy, before making the switch to Liverpool at the age of 14. Having worked his way up the ranks, Wisdom established himself as a regular starter for the Reds’ reserve team at centre-back.

The installation of Brendan Rodgers in the Anfield hot seat led to Wisdom’s promotion to the first team. After earning his senior debut during Liverpool’s 5-2 demolition of Norwich in September 2012, he went on to notch a further 11 starts at right-back that term, serving up one assist in the process.

A lack of starting opportunities on Merseyside prompted Wisdom to spend the 2013/14 season on loan to Championship outfit Derby County. Upon his switch to the Rams in October, he started and finished every league encounter, bagging three assists across 33 outings.

Wisdom teamed up with West Bromwich Albion for the 2014/15 Premier League season, where he enjoyed the security of starts under Alan Irvine, chalking up one assist in 18 appearances. Irvine’s sacking and the subsequent hiring of Tony Pulis engendered a reduction in his playing time, with Wisdom mustering just three more starts that term.

On the international stage, Wisdom has turned out a total of 37 times at youth level, from England U16 to 21, and found the net on three occasions.

The Prospects

Wisdom spent the last year of his youth spell at Liverpool operating at centre-back but has since exclusively been fielded in the right-back berth. Alex Neil’s comments regarding Wisdom’s arrival at Carrow Road suggest he favours him in the latter role:

“I’m delighted as Andre fits our profile in terms of getting hungry players in who want to make their way in the game. He’s also had Premier League experience with a few different clubs, so we’re happy to get it over the line. It will add to the competition for places as he’s a flexible player. In the past he’s played centre-back and right-back. Having added competition to the left-hand side with Robbie Brady, it was important to add something to the right side as well.”

Indeed, Wisdom’s first run-out for the Norfolk club was at right-back: he clocked 30 minutes during a pre-season debut against Brentford at the weekend, emerging from the bench to tee up Cameron Jerome for an emphatic winner.

Wisdom looks set to challenge Steven Whittaker for starts at right-back, with Russell Martin and Sebastien Bassong forming Neil’s first-choice centre-back pairing. With no certainty that Norwich’s latest arrival will be handed a run at the start of the season, few Fantasy managers will be tempted to snap up the 4.5-priced defender from the off.

Across his 2080 minutes of pitch time last season, Wisdom fashioned just three (off-target) attempts at goal, while Whittaker and Martin both served up two goals apiece, albeit in the Championship. Furthermore, Wisdom executed a paltry nine key passes for his team-mates, bagging one assist along the way. Whittaker (five), Martin (five) and Olsson (six) all surpassed that assist haul, with the former ranking fourth for key passes (38) among Norwich’s full roster.

Indeed, with just two assists in 38 appearances in the Premier League to his name, Wisdom offers little in the way of attacking potential. Even if he nails down a starting berth, then, his lack of impact in the final third suggests he may have to rely on clean sheets for points but with the changes to the BPS scoring system favouring the similarly-priced John Ruddy between the sticks, Wisdom’s appeal looks limited. Indeed, given that there are options at the likes of Sunderland and Leicester at the same cost, Norwich’s defenders may struggle to justify any level of investment.

Nonetheless, those Fantasy managers eyeing up the Canaries backline in light of their decent early schedule (CRY, sun, STO, sou, BOU, liv) might be inclined to source a budget rotation partner to exploit their kind home fixtures. On that note, Stoke City alternate well with the Canaries, furnishing us with just five match-ups against last term’s top-six sides leading into the New Year. With the schedule smiling kindly, it’s little wonder that many on the site are eyeing up a Ruddy/Jack Butland cut-price pairing between the posts at a cost of just 9.0, with the prospect of save points, at the least, looking more enticing.

Further Reference

Andre Wisdom Wikipedia Page

Andre Wisdom Transfer Markt Page

Andre Wisdom YouTube Highlights

2,677 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Demí
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Walker off to Real, so looks like Trippier is nailed https://twitter.com/kylewalker2/status/628285171662487553

    1. The Royal Robin
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Trippier is a really good shout actually. Very impressive at Burnley last season.

      Spurs can't defend for s&%t though!

    2. Lingardium Leviosa.
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Twitter is down.

      Is this Real Sociedad? Can't believe Madrid are gonna sign another RB

      1. Ludo
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        😆

        1. Lingardium Leviosa.
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          😡 I'm being serious tho

    3. theeribert
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      He's there for the Audi Cup lol. But I guess you were being sarcastic.

      1. Demí
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Oh right. I feel like a prat now

        1. AIRMILES
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          If you're going to keep ahead of the game, it's going to happen from time to time.

    4. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nah, Luka and Gareth are coming back to Spurs innit

  2. King Kohli
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Thought on this team?

    Schmeichel Schwarzer
    Azpi Mert Francis Coates Bassong
    Fab Mata Sterling Cazorla Bentaleb
    Rooney Benteke Pelle

    What do you think about getting Kosc for Azpi and doubling up on Arsenal defence

    1. Arn De Gothia
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      risky but why not

    2. Jar Jar Winks
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      If hazard does well you'll find it hard to bring him in

      1. The Royal Robin
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This.

        Needing Aguero in your team will be enough of a headache to then have to go rearranging for Hazard too.

      2. King Kohli
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Fab + a non performing mid to Hazard + cheapie.

        Same goes for Aguero with Rooney going out

    3. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Pretty nice looking team. Not tempted by Mané, Chadli? Would allow you to upgrade elsewhere.

      1. King Kohli
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Mane tempts me but Pelle provides better balance to my team.

        Not too keen on Chadli.

        Would you double up on Ars defence?

  3. Top 210 Club
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Front 8 of:

    A. Walcott, Hazard, Cazorla, Sterling, sinclair, Rooney, sakho, Wilson
    B. Hazard, Cazorla, Sterling, Maharez, sinclair, Rooney, pelle, vardy

    1. Park the bus
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This kind of post is annoying, just remove the common players on each

      1. Park the bus
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Basically Walcott sakho Wilson or Mahrez Pelle vardy

        1. Jimjam
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          The first one

          1. Top 210 Club
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Thx on that currently

  4. Arn De Gothia
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A) Mane & Igalho
    B) Pelle & Sinclair

    both 8 + 5 mil

  5. smp
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    First of the year:

    Ruddy (Butland)
    Azpilicueta | Clyne | Mertesacker (Mings, Baker)
    Hazard (C) | Sterling | Depay | Chadli (Wanyama)
    Rooney | Benteke | Deeney

    0.5 in the bank.

    Trying to have good balance with representation of the top clubs. Also want a bench that plays.

    Questions:
    1. Am I too invested in Defense?
    2. Any glaring POS picks or missing value players?
    3. I see no easy way to get Aguerro in, and that is a concern. That said, I am trying to convince myself that planning transfers a couple game weeks down the road, especially at the beginning of the season is stupid... (I guess this was not a question...)

    Thoughts appreciated...

    1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Relying on Deeney week in week out?

      As a Liverpool fan, I don't think Clyne is worth it. I'd say risk it with Gomez.

      Pretty solid team, only issue really is having Deeney as a 7th attacker rather than a potential 8th.

      1. smp
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks Rodallegabomb. I was not sure I'd be using Deeney every week. Was thinking there would be weeks where Wanyama comes in, and other weeks perhaps Mings. A good point though...need to consider juggling a bit to improve on him for a better backup last attacker.

  6. asquishypotato
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Draftfantasyfootball, anyone used it, what's the user module like?

  7. Super Silva Haze
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Thoughts on Pedro's price of he does come to United .. 10m I think he will be.

    1. d1sable
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      9m at most i reckon

    2. yemzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      9m

    3. Jar Jar Winks
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      9m

    4. The Royal Robin
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      £9.5

    5. Lingardium Leviosa.
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Should be 8-8.5

      Hardly kicked a ball last season at barca

      1. SUAREZ_MESSI_COUTINHO
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        50 games last season. ( including sub appearances ) .

    6. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      8.5M

    7. QPR expects... glory!
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      8.5 same as Mata and Depay

  8. d1sable
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    Joe Gomez could be a wildcard tempter if he plays first 3

    1. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      WHM/mun/NOR/AVL would be his next four fixtures at that point... Can see him being stuck on many a bench for the first half of the season as a result!

  9. tristanabc
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Sorry lost on last page and added an extra option to complicate things even more...

    A)
    Butland Ruddy
    Azpi Mert Cedric Francis Holebas
    Hazard Walcott Sterling Sinclair RITCHIE
    Benteke ROONEY SAKHO

    B)
    Butland Ruddy
    Azpi Mert Cedric Francis Holebas
    Hazard Walcott Sterling Sinclair MAHREZ
    Benteke KANE PELLE

    C)
    Butland Ruddy
    Azpi Mert Cedric Francis Holebas
    Hazard Walcott Sterling Sinclair MANE
    Benteke KANE WILSON

  10. clownbot2000
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone know where to obtain stats of Hazard's pts pre and post Christmas? As if to prove my theory he is a slow starter.
    Anyone know where to obtain stats of the no. of clean sheets (MUN/ARS/CHE) pre & post Christmas? To prove my theory that club's back fours take a few weeks at the beginning of each season to 'gel'.

    1. Pasqualinho
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Hazard was on 118 points after GW19, so he was about halfway here to his 233 points (a bit over)
      After GW10 he was on 54 - so it kind of supports your theory about a slow start, but not overly conclusive.

      1. clownbot2000
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        thanks buddy

  11. You've got red on you.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Already have Haz, Depay, Sterling, Rooney...who joins them?

    a) Walcott, Sakho and Deeney

    b) Ritchie, Sakho and Benteke

    c) 7m mid (Hendo/Chadli/Milner), Benteke and Deeney

  12. Aarono23
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Who i the best 4.5m defender for Stoke?

    1. Aarono23
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Posted before completing/correcting.

      Who do people think the best stoke 4.5m defender will be. Muniesa?

      Currently have Schmeichal in goal, Coates and Francis as other 4.5m defenders so after one more that isn't Leicester.

    2. Gregor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Wollscheid .

  13. The Mighty Whites
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Cedric or Alderweireld?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cedric

    2. The Royal Robin
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cedric.

      RB > CB

      and cheaper.

      1. The Mighty Whites
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Same price, mate.

        1. Woy of the Wovers
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Better defense.

          1. The Mighty Whites
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            You prefer Cedric too, Roy? Bit of a yellow card magnet is my only worry.

    3. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cedric, but I'd want to wait to see how the new look defence performs.

      1. The Mighty Whites
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Which 5.0 DF have you got?

  14. Gregor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Mings or Francis?

    Cathcart or Prodl?

    1. tristanabc
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Francis and Holebas

    2. Aarono23
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Return the favour. I would go Francis to start with. Seems to be the preference on here in general as well. Don't know much about Watford but did previously have Prodl in one version of my team.

      1. Gregor
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        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks.

  15. seancole07
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Hi,
    Courtois (Rudd)
    Jagielka Clyne Fonte (Pudil) (O'Shea)
    Hazard Bolasie Henderson Payet (Morrison)
    Lukaku Costa Benteke

    Any opinions? Much appreciated.

    1. Gregor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Everton's fixtures after GW1 are bloody horrendous. If you're gonna get a £4m keeper, make it a Palace one.

  16. BillyTheFish
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Stekelenburg

    Darmian - Cahill - Koscielny - Clyne - S Taylor

    Ozil - Mane - Sterling - Oscar - Sinclair

    Rooney - Benteke - Defoe

    People keep saying spending too much on defence is a bad thing, do you reckon I should downgrade?

    I'm pretty happy with the balance - Hazardless of course but will probably wildcard after 6 or 7 games anyway once we know the lay of the land..

    1. AIRMILES
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm spending a lot on defence, so I say don't listen to them.

      Not sure about Oscar though.

    2. Jar Jar Winks
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      too much in defence

    3. theeribert
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I would downgrade Oscar and upgrade Defoe, and your defense is good enough to play with a 4-3-3.

  17. The Royal Robin
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Lots of people with Defoe, why?

    1. Demí
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sunderland with good fixtures. People see him as safer, with Deeney and Wilson both being new. Don't agree with it myself, but think that's the logic

    2. Jar Jar Winks
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      leading the line for sunderland, has fixtures and better players around him now

      1. The Royal Robin
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Fair enough, what's his pre-season been like?

        1. Jar Jar Winks
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          scored a few, plus he is proven in the league where as wilson and deeney are not.

    3. Gregor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cheap, nice fixtures, bit of pedigree, scored a couple of goals in pre season.

  18. Trilogist
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Cech + Kane

    vs

    Schmeichel + Rooney

    Whats does everyone think?

    1. Jar Jar Winks
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      rooney

  19. Bojaninho
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Evening lads, any massive criticisms of the below?

    Ruddy/Butland

    Azpi,Kos,Mings,sunderland def,Targett

    Fab,Ramsey,Silva,Affelay,Wanyama

    Kane,Rooney,Benteke

    0 left itb, raise cash quite easily with downgrading.

    Thoughts?

    1. Daniel Levy- Not the Chairm…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Affelay as a 4th mid is not good. Would do Silva-->Sterling and then upgrade him to Lens.

    2. Top 210 Club
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Needs a hazard, Ivanovic or kun

  20. BananaNose Maldonado
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I'm sure this has been covered:

    Most nailed on SUN defender early in the season:

    A) Coates

    B) Kaboul

    C) O'Shea

  21. GoRedz
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Is there a 4.5 nailed West Ham defender ?

    1. Lingardium Leviosa.
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Don't think so

  22. The Royal Robin
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Coates.

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      🙂

  23. HP.
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    DRAFT LEAGUE: who has the best team?

    Courtois Henessey
    Kosc Cedric Huth Kaboul Saylor
    Silva Walcott Caz Fab Mata
    Kane Sakho Deeney

    -----------------------------------------------------

    Cech Schwarzer
    Ivan Clyne Oshea Ward Targett
    Hazard Depay Siggy(alexis will come in when he's back) Ritchie Anya
    Pelle Benteke Deeney

    ----------------------------------------------------

    Mignolet Rudd
    Azpi Darmian Alderweireld Baines Baker
    Depay Cabaye Wanyama Coutinho Eriksen
    Lukaku Giroud Costa

    ---------------------------------------------------

    Cech Henessey
    Kolarov Cahill Williams Trippier Targett
    Firmino Cabaye Depay Sterling Walcott
    Wilson Rooney Berahino

    1. GoRedz
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      too many deeneys

      1. Woy of the Wovers
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Couple of Wallies

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      What are the rules of the draft?

      1. HP.
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        We have been playing for 3 seasons now. you keep your team from last season and can add any new players. Once you get a player then no one else can get that player unless you take him out. Some players 1 or more person got in the same week therefore both can keep the player.

    3. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I like the 2nd team especially with Alexis and Hazard.

    4. AAAAA
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      They're all decent, only the last one is crap compared to the others.

    5. Chenku╰☆╮
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      2nd one.

  24. Daniel Levy- Not the Chairm…
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Play two:
    A) Coates
    B) Huth
    C) Chadli

    1. theeribert
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Huth and Chadli

    2. 4vets
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Eh? B & C

    3. Gregor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B and C.

  25. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Get Kolarov.

    That's the best advice I can give.

    1. 4vets
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Only a trout would say that.

      1. The Generalator
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        lolz

  26. yemzinho
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A) Pelle and Ritchie
    or
    B) Mane and Wilson

    1. Jimjam
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm on B

    2. Chenku╰☆╮
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      b

  27. Bailey
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Whats the highest RMT score you guys have been getting?

    1. 4vets
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      3.9

      I need to buy another player.

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Possible to get 333 or so.
      Plenty around 310-315

    3. The Royal Robin
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      8, many teams ago. Haven't been anywhere near since. 😀

  28. Shanty Toon
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Lukaku owners, are you captaining him on GW1?

    1. Punty
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nah having him in my team is big enough gamble

  29. Pablitto
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Any Schweinsteiger love on here?

    1. The Generalator
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I know right, not much. I can see him doing well and value going up.
      But I'm not taking the risk sadly

    2. Insert your own Joe Kinnear
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I love a good pig climber but in FFS,no

      1. Pablitto
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        for 7.0M could be a prety good assist machine... dont you think?

        1. Insert your own Joe Kinnear
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          injury prone and may play as the shield. I could be wrong but as many yellow cards as assists?

    3. theeribert
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I was planning on getting him but he looked very Busquets-y during preseason.

      1. Insert your own Joe Kinnear
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        rolling round on the floor in mock agony?

        1. theeribert
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          That does sound like an accurate description. I was going for "staying near the backline and not making too many runs up front" tho.

  30. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Hazard, Walcott, Sterling, Mane, Rooney

    do i really need Benteke?

    1. Robe Wan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Yep

    2. jernej93
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Milner

    3. Top 210 Club
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No just a bandwagon imo

    4. andy85wsm
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No

      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        He's the only player I don't have that scares me

        but getting Kun is so much easier without him and I can go back to Rutland and get a 5.0 5th mid

    5. The Train Driver
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Don't think he'll even start gw1...