Opinion

The Burning Question: How much stock should we put in pre-season?

With a busy summer of pre-season friendlies behind us, Fantasy managers have been given plenty of hints on potential formations and starting XIs for Gameweek 1.

Manchester United’s summer schedule has afforded a fair indication as to where Memphis Depay and Wayne Rooney will be deployed. There’s also form to consider, with Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling demonstrating plenty of pace and menace over the summer, while Christian Benteke signalled his intent with a debut strike for Liverpool ahead of their opener with Stoke.

With all this in mind, we ask the “Burning Question”: how much stock should we put in pre-season?

Simon March (FPL winner 2014/15) says…
Pre-season is a better indicator of some things than others. For example, it can offer guidance on a manager’s favoured line-ups and formations, which, as we get closer to the season start, tend to become less experimental and a more reliable view of how that team will actually play. Of course, there are several potential agitators to even this information, such as the player fatigue that follows international tournaments or the open transfer window. These need to be taken into account when judging the reliability of what we see in pre-season.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that not all pre-season matches are created equal. There’s a big difference between exhibition clashes on a tour and more competitive matches such as the Europa League qualifiers or the Community Shield. The latter type of fixture is, we would assume, a manifestation of what a manager perceives to be his best available XI, playing in their best formation and, therefore, should be better indicators of what to expect going forwards.

The reliability of pre-season performances as a barometer of player form is even more difficult to assess. This is partly because of the fleeting nature of form itself but, also, because a player’s performances cannot be viewed in isolation. For example, Raheem Sterling scoring a brace in a recent friendly sounds encouraging, until you see that the opposition was the Vietnam XI. There’s a danger that we only look at part of the information and become subject to that old enemy of Fantasy managers; confirmation bias. Again, the quality of the opposition and the competitiveness of the fixture are key considerations.

Given the apparent unreliability of much of what it demonstrates, it’s tempting to write-off pre-season form altogether but I don’t think it is always entirely misleading. Where it seems to fail us most is when it comes to ‘bargain-hunting’ (I’m looking at you Mauro Boselli and Danny Graham) but, even during the main season, it is the form of budget players that tends to be the most transient. Where I think pre-season displays can be somewhat more indicative is when it’s being demonstrated by a previously proven FPL performer, preferably against solid opposition. Last season, for example, Aaron Ramsey followed-up a strong pre-season with two goals in his first couple of fixtures.

Overall, pre-season form offers a small set of mostly unreliable data and, for those reasons, should not be the principle influence on our selection. But that doesn’t mean it’s totally meaningless. Rather it’s a matter of viewing the overall context, picking out the more reliable indicators and using these, and only these, to inform our choices.

D1sable says…
For me, there are two important things to take from pre-season. The first concerns a player’s level of fitness. Has he had the minutes to be at his best? Is he likely to start the season after summer exploits? These can surely give an indication if the player is likely to start, which surely is the single most important factor in Fantasy Football.

Secondly, how are the team lining up? Is their new signing being shifted up into the front three? Is he taking a share of set pieces? These can give indications of potential for sure, though, on the other hand, if a full squad isn’t available for selection, it can also be a little misleading, so some research is recommended before diving in.

Aside from these two points, I genuinely think pre-season form matters very little, given that so many opponents are far from the calibre you’d expect to find in the Premier League.

Applebonkers says…
Pre-season is all we have for a month so, admit it or not, it chauffeurs our attentions from player to player. Wigan’s Mauro Boselli is the obvious example of a player to shine in pre-season but fall flat in the Premier League. Arguably, Jozy Altidore’s international hat-trick for USA four days before the season started carries the most guilt.

So the only time “form” plays any part now is as part of the word “formation”. With four new managers, an obscene amount of summer signings and a trio of promoted sides added to the mix, there are lots of unknowns, which the final friendly specifically provides some insight into. That insight should be limited to starting place and starting position, though. Past knowledge of the player and future hunches should do the rest.

Jonty says…
Pre-season is littered with traps, with squad players shining brightly on a Tuesday night against Gravesend, Burton Albion or the best XI Vietnam can muster, only to be dropped when the season gets underway and they have to face proper Premier League opposition.

I gain little knowledge from a player scoring against minnows in a friendly but that is not to say pre-season is not without its uses. The schedule of friendlies can be useful to clarify existing ideas about players. With a good summer under his belt, I go into 2015/16 with high hopes that Mesut Ozil will do well. Pre-season has shown me that he has the manager’s support and is delivering against some top sides, as well as some lesser ones.

In contrast, I’m still unsure as to whether Wayne Rooney, Memphis Depay or Juan Mata will be the best Manchester United option and the summer matches haven’t helped either. The Red Devils have looked brilliant and laboured in equal measure of late, which has offered me little guidance. I’ll most likely go for Rooney as a seasoned performer.

Each year I tend to stick with players in my Gameweek 1 squad who have delivered for me in previous years and have favourable fixtures, such as Rooney. A good or poor pre-season performance can help with such decisions, but rarely do they dictate them.

Evs says…
Fantasy managers need to carry out some pre-season research, particularly to understand where or when a new signing will fit into already established teams. I often use the last match prior to the season getting underway as a good indicator, as most coaches tend to give their starting team a trial run before the big kick off.

Obviously we need to be careful of a big or expensive signing and jumping to conclusions that he may take the place of an already-established player. A cracking example of this was Filipe Luis last year, who failed to make an impact for Chelsea in the Premier League.

New signings can always be a gamble based on summer form. For every Michu, the Swansea midfielder who carried his form into the Premier League, there is a Mauro Boselli, who has become synonymous for failed pre-season punting.

Mark says…
I always love to at least try to put some emphasis on pre-season form. I think this is natural because, having gone to the trouble of tracking player progress for behind-closed-doors training matches and Tuesday night trips to Exeter, I want some kind of pay-off for my efforts. I want to take a punt on a player with strong pre-season form to justify my toils in maintaining lists of teamsheets, goals and assists when others, including some notable players, are reclined by a pool.

In reality, history has taught me that putting too much stock in that striker who scores a glut of summer goals is dangerous.

Having said that, with fitness analysts at play in every club, there’s no doubt that Premier League managers have their players tracked meticulously during this spell. The minutes spent on the pitch are logged and analysed and only 11 players who have proved their fitness will cross the line in Gameweek 1. With this in mind, we have to take notice and use the information gleaned as a guide to our own decisions.

For me, two players stand out and their performances in pre-season has convinced me that I have to take their application to my squad seriously – they are Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling. Both look fired up and, quite literally, “up to speed” to the point that I believe they will terrorise defenders from the get-go.

Would I have had the confidence in them to select them without studying pre-season progress? Maybe, but like many things with Fantasy Football, having more information, having another angle and viewpoint, is just enough to tip a decision and resolve a dilemma.

Demi says…
I don’t think pre-season should have much influence on who we pick based on their goal scoring exploits. However, it’s always nice when a player you were already considering notches a couple over the summer just to reaffirm your belief. In reality, there shouldn’t be a great deal read into it, because pre-season is mainly used to get players’ fitness up and give manager’s an idea of who’s going to feature prominently in their first team plans. It obviously isn’t played with the same intensity as a competitive match and the goals scored during summer friendlies aren’t cherished or remembered by the players/clubs once the campaign kicks off.

Pre-season can be very important to get a feel of players starting positions, and the formations that managers are likely to stick with for the start of the campaign. It can also be a decent indicator of which fringe/youth players could enter our thoughts for the budget positions in the squad at some point in the season if their are injuries to the first XI at any point in the season.

Ryan says…
I take very little from pre-season matches. The whole point of summer friendlies is for the entire squad to gain match fitness and be up to speed for the campaign ahead. Form should be taken with a large grain of salt because we cannot expect either team in a friendly to playing at 100%.

We can perhaps get a gauge on likely first team players. Some managers have played their pre-season fixtures with an obvious first and second team. This might give a strong indication as to who the manager considers to be first choice. I think it’s clear who Louis Van Gaal considers as first choice for Manchester United based on the two-team set-up he employed in the USA tour, for example.

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  1. Boydinho
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Distin nailed? If so would you pick him over Bassong

  2. ViperStripes
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Francis or Mings - I know nothing about Bournemouth's Defence, I had it on Mings due to a mid July article on here, but the above article fancies Francis.

    1. The Gambler.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Apparently Francis is a card magnet

    2. Connor's Calling
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Posted a few pages back...Mings is a VERY raw defender. A third of the player Cresswell was when we sold him.

      He is big and quite quick, and can deliver a drilled ball in...but aside from that...i) he's also a card magnet ii) he's awful at positioning (something his pace made up for last year) and iii) he slips over a lot

      8m was, in my view, an incredible amount of money for a promoted team to pay for him

      1. MaxiRobriguez
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Obviously you're an Ipswich fan so will know better, but on the two occasions I saw Mings play last year, he was by far the stand out player on the pitch.

        The two best full backs I've seen in recent years in the Championship are Mings and Trippier. Cresswell although currently probably more favourable, is nowhere near a better player. Like you say, Mings very raw, but very good raw. £8m is a lot but that's Premier League money for you.

        He's in my fantasy team.

  3. Jairzinho
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    It's a great indication for fitness and nailed-onness but I'm trying not to look too much more into it. If a player has clocked up a lot of minutes, chances are, they'll be fit to play and vice versa.

  4. S.Kuqi
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Which one is better option?

    A) Kane & Milner

    B) Benteke & Sterling

    1. LewanGOALski
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B by some decent distance for me

    2. JaydenLFC87
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. GYM JUNKIE
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      will benteke start? 50/50

      1. MaxiRobriguez
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He'll start.

  5. LewanGOALski
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    my current team:

    Cech - Hennessey
    Azpilicueta - Cedric - Huth - Coates - Mings
    Hazard - Sterling - Walcott - Milner - Bentaleb
    Rooney - Pelle - Sakho

    should I:

    A. Walcott & Coates ➡ Ramsey & Williams
    B. Walcott & Pelle ➡ Ramsey & Benteke
    C. leave it like it is

    ??

    1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      C

      Although I'd be tempted to get Chadli over Milner

      1. LewanGOALski
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I am not sold on Chadli at all. Don't really get so much love for him in here tbf…

        Milner vs Hendo is close for me though. May change before the deadline.

  6. whoracle
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Guys, I think I got it 😆

    Cech
    Clyne-Toby-Azpi
    Walcott-Hendo-Fabs-Sterling
    Kane-Sakho-Rooney

    Subs: Hennessey-Huth-Wanyama-Francis

    1. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I really like it. Cesc over Hazard does wonders to your team!

    2. GYM JUNKIE
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      dont see wayne and kane both scoring same game

  7. Syd.
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I never take preseason in when picking my team

    1. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Guess you got Sanchez and Aguero in your squad then?

      1. Syd.
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Bojan

        1. Royal5
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Could be a great pick.

  8. JAC THE CAT
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sky defence

    Schmeichel
    PVA - Elphick - Martin

    Will this carry me through the season?

  9. Back on the horse
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Whoa, this new season came around quick!

    I'm panicking a bit, haven't got much time to sort out a team before sat.

    How is this for a first draft?

    Ruddy Cech
    Fonte Ivanovic Ward Clyne Mings
    Walcott Albrighton Ramsey Milner Sigurdsson
    Benteke Kane Lukaku

    Cheers

    1. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      For a Rooney-less / Aguero-less / Hazard-less team, it looks good! 🙂

    2. Back on the horse
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'm too late aren't I? we are into the RMT thick and fast period 🙂

      1. MaxiRobriguez
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        IMO, too much in defence and not enough in midfield. Probably could drop Lukaku too and reinvest the funds. Not keen on double Arsenal midfield - why not consider Mane, Walcott, Mata etc? Don't get me wrong it's OK but, only OK. 5/10 at best.

  10. ⚛Aeneas⚛
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    No-one fancy Puncheon? He seems to have fairly decent fixtures - probably nailed - 6.00 seems fair after last season?

    1. AlissonWunderland
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      There fixtures are quite tough

    2. GYM JUNKIE
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      bolaise or cabaye imo

    3. Towsor44
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A lot are dubious of his minutes due to other signings at Palace. Don't think nailed is likely

    4. KISSES
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Their fixtures are horrific

    5. ⚛Aeneas⚛
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ohh yea just looked again at their fixtures my bad lol - Thanks for the replies though

  11. sinik
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is the following correct:

    Defenders from worse teams (and cheaper generally) will benefit more from the new BPS system vs last season than defenders from better teams (and more expensive generally).

    1. A La Pelle
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Generally correct.

    2. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think its generally dominant CBs and GKs that gain - Morgan one of the main gainers according to 3rd Turd's Article!

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        do you have a link to that article handy?

  12. BaasB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi everyone,

    My first team in this game and I would very much appreciate feedback or tips on my team and/or GW1 setup.

    Mignolet
    cedric - azpi - clyne
    hazard - sterling - mane - sinclair - henderson
    Rooney - kane

    hennesey - targett - Francis - wilson

    Thx for replies!

    1. MaxiRobriguez
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looks fine to me.

  13. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Great read, cheers fellas.

  14. The Gambler.
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A)

    Butland - Ruddy
    Azpil - Darmian- Koscielny - Gomez - Saylor
    Hazard - Ozil - Sterling - Hendo - Wanyama
    Rooney - PELLE - Wilson

    £0.5m ITB

    Or

    B)
    Butland - Ruddy
    Azpil - Darmian- Koscielny - Gomez - Saylor
    Hazard - Ozil - Sterling - Hendo - Wanyama
    Rooney - BENTEKE - Wilson.

    1. svgcr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Pelle with those fixtures and considering you have Hendo

    2. RÏɠBY
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      as a liverpool fan i can't believe you're keeping sterling
      your keepers are weak
      and ozil?

  15. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    So, which day will pressers be hold?

    1. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Friday

      1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thx.

  16. Lizard Lips
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Whats their starting XIs going to be? Could do with inspiration.

  17. svgcr
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Benteke or Kane? First 5 GWs

    1. Gargamel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kane imo

    2. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kane - first name on my team sheet.

    3. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Tricky. As I'm not 100% convinced tekkers is fit enough for gw1.

      Kane for safety.

      Benteke for fixtures, and potential.

    4. svgcr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers

  18. Pecky
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Kane, Fabregas, Mane
    B) Pelle, Hazard, Milner

    Currently on A but what do you guys think?

    1. MaxiRobriguez
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I've gone Pelle, Mane and neither Haz or Fab so either are fine. Hazard gives you more safety as the vast majority of people will captain him GW1.

  19. Lizard Lips
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone got Walcott and Rambo or is that just me?

    Think Arsenal will score plenty.

    1. svgcr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Have both and Mert

    2. RÏɠBY
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      and win the league 🙂

      1. Lizard Lips
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Wouldn't surprise me. Still got to fancy Chelsea mind you.

    3. GYM JUNKIE
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      ox?

    4. Royal5
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Max one Arsenal mid.

  20. RÏɠBY
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    blimey! all good info and thankyou guys

    and speaking of 'pre-season' where's that chelsea fan.. any news on costa actually playing?

  21. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    The big burning question for me is

    How will Evs cope with the loss of his RvP saftey blanket? Even if that blanket had seen better days

    1. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'm not happy.

      My nights are cold and lonely... 😥

      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        can you see Paradise by the Dashboard Light?

        1. Evs
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          ... Ain't no doubt about it 😉

  22. Heytch
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Mauro Boselli lol

    That guy

    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Greatest FPL pick ever, ain't that right Evs?

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Never a truer word said JK.

    2. Heytch
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Really enjoying this, so much so that I feel compelled to post while mid article

  23. d1sable
    • Has Moderation Rights
    8 years, 9 months ago

    That Simon bloke goes on a bit doesn't he? Anyone would of thought he won FPL or something! 😀

    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      That Tom Fenley fellow is worse 😉

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        ... Especially when he's had a couple of Jaeger Bombs ! 😆

  24. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Think I'm decided......

    Thoughts please

    Rutland
    Ivanovic Kosc Huth Francis Richards
    Hazard Ozil Mane Sinclair Ritchie
    Rooney Sakho Benteke

    1. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very similar to mine except you've gone for Ivanovic over a stronger 4th midfielder. I like it, mate.

    2. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very nice. 🙂

    3. GYM JUNKIE
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      7/10 sakho will be lucky to score against ars. would have theo instead of ozil.

    4. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Strong.

      Perhaps a different 4.5 to Richards. I'm not a fan of Villa defence.

      1. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks all
        Originally had Theo and a 4.0 defender instead of Ozil

  25. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Imagine when Sanchez, Aguero, Costa, and Hazard are all fit 😀

    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cross Costa off that. He'll never be fit

    2. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      My team from last season 🙁

    3. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I have a plan..

      Carlos Sanchez

    4. FISSH
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      too difficult!

    5. RÏɠBY
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      is costa THAT bad.. or is maurine just playing mind games?

  26. Fekir right in Debuchy
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT please, any comments are appreciated.

    Butland

    Toby, Joe Gomez, Cedric

    Sinclair, Walcott, Hazard, Sterling

    Pelle, Benteke, Rooney

    Schwarzer, Milner, Holebas, Saylor

    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ropey defence
      Double Liv attack

    2. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Solid

    3. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      You'll want some more playing defenders. Milner downgrade?

      1. Fekir right in Debuchy
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yea ill look into it. Not really sure who to upgrade, I think Gomez is going to get the nod, Toby seems decent value at 5, and Cedric looks like a great buy for 5 million

        1. Fekir right in Debuchy
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          How about Bellerin, Cedric, Coleman, Gomez, Holebas

          + a 4.5 mid instead of Milner?

          Thanks for the input

  27. AK ⭐
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    For those who aren't leaving much in the bank for Aguero, how do you plan to bring him in and how many transfers you think it will take to get him?

  28. NMTD
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bellerin - Coquelin (sub) - Sakho

    or

    Huth - Henderson - Jerome (sub)

    1. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      First option for me - can't see any future in 3-5-2 with a rotter like Cameron Jerome!

  29. Wild Rover
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Don't believe a word of it... I bet they all have Sterling, Sinclair and Ighalo 😛

  30. waitinginthelonggrass
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Are there any better alternatives to Alderweireld, other than Cedric, for 5.0?

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      PVA

      1. waitinginthelonggrass
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Hmm, I'm more sure about Spuds defence than Sunderland. Food for thought though.