Opinion

The Burning Question – How to solve the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

3,515 Comments Post a Comment
  1. TOBY1
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Ok Ritchie or Iwobi?

    1. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Ritchie

    2. Keno
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Ritchie all day

    3. Banana Shaqiri - HMD, PUP
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Maybe Iwobi early on, but is a massive punt

    4. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Ritchie

    5. TOBY1
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Thanks all - any better options at 6 or less?

  2. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Ok, second time lucky

    Live Scoutcast getting underway at 9:30pm
    Link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3mHwK50swk

    1. Evil Greg
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      watching the game together lads?

      1. Syd.
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Live from a Hot Tub

  3. AJ24
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Bottomed..

    Foster, Elliot
    Ake, Bailly, Stephens, Lejuene, Long
    KDB, Alli, Fabregas, T Caroll, JWP
    Lukaku, Firmino, Jesus

    RMT please and be absolutely BRUTAL..

    1. The Tinkerman
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      You spelt Carroll incorrectly. You absolute MORON. -1/10

      1. AJ24
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks for that pal..

        1. The Tinkerman
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 10 months ago

          Anytime. For real though, nice team. Considered Scott Dann as a 5.0 in place of Ake? Goal threat and nice fixtures.

    2. arndff_
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Very good team

  4. ADucksBehind
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    What are the better 4.5m rotation pairings?

    Looking at Simpson / Delaney

    1. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      WBA and Burnley....Mee/Hegazi maybe

    2. 404_FC
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      mee / francis

    3. Salarrivederci
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Burnley rotate way better with Palace

  5. Keno
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Pogba has looked pretty garbage.

    1. Tasty Jerk
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      £100Million garbage? 🙂

  6. COTTERILL96
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    A) Foster/ KDB Fraser/ Kane
    B) DDG/ eriksen 7.0/ Jesus

    1. COTTERILL96
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Or any other way to spread the money

    2. arndff_
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      A

    3. Man Getting Hit By Football
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      A. I have all of them.

    4. 404_FC
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      a

  7. Karan14
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    All those trolling United right now do you really think any other of the Top 6 clubs would have been in a better position against this Madrid team right now?
    They will run over any PL club as of now!

    1. F4L
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      not being funny, but I think City would beat this Real tonight

      1. Karan14
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        They can't.

        1. ★Kuntheman★
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 10 months ago

          I wouldn't put it past us. We'd definitely put on a better showing than United have.

          I know it was a friendly, but Real's team ain't too different from the one we thrashed

          1. Karan14
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 10 months ago

            Hopefully you come across them in a competitive match this time in CL!

            We'll see then.

        2. fedolefan
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 10 months ago

          lol

    2. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Arsenal...no
      Chelsea ....yes
      Liverpool...no
      City ...yes
      Spurs ....no

      1. Karan14
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Chelsea?

        They couldn't even beat Arsenal without Kosc, Mustafi, Sanchez & Ozil.

    3. TOBY1
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      City beat them - Pre season so slightly different but wasn't a super weak Real and city had some youth in there too

      1. Karan14
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Even United beat then pre season and Barcelona.

  8. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    De Gea
    Alonso, Bertrand, Ake
    KDB, Eriksen, Fabregas, Carroll
    Lukakau, Kane

    subs Elliot, Mee, Quaner, Hunmeier

    RMT

    1. Unbelievable Jeff!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      You're missing a midfielder!?

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Sorry forgot Atsu

        De Gea
        Alonso, Bertrand, Ake
        KDB, Eriksen, Fabregas, Carroll, Atsu
        Lukakau, Kane

        subs Elliot, Mee, Quaner, Hunmeier

        RMT

    2. EmreCan Hustle
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Like it. Why Ake over Daniels?

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Think he gets more in the opponents goal area and could do well.

    3. 404_FC
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      no pool cover?

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Don't have the cash

        1. 404_FC
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 10 months ago

          eriksen to mane / salah ?

          1. The Polymath
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 10 months ago

            Thinking about that but Eriksen matches them both

  9. Malcolm Tucker for England …
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    fellaini = weird al yankovic

    1. Farke in hell
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      a parody?

  10. Diamondgeezer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Who starts up front for Southampton from game week 1

    1. JJO
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Gabba

      1. Diamondgeezer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks

    2. Rasialdo10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Gabbiadini played in the last preseason game

  11. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    What a miss rashford

  12. Syd.
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Gashford............

  13. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Poor mans Macheda

  14. 404_FC
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Foster, Elliot
    TAA, Lowe, Francis, Mee, Hunemeier
    KDB, Salah, Willian, TCaroll, RLC
    Lukaku, Kane, Jesus

    would go with 4-3-3 or 3-4-3

    is this to weak def?

  15. Alexis Nonsense
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Who's most nailed:

    Cedric

    Stephens

    Yoshida

    1. 404_FC
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Yoshida

    2. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Yoshida.

    3. Alexis Nonsense
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Cheers

  16. rdamjan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    oh Mkhi! This is his year.

  17. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Parent club?

  18. Scotty B
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Cedric or Dawson?
    Will have no Southampton or no WBA depending on who i don't get

    1. Rasialdo10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Cedric

  19. COTTERILL96
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Willian or Fabregas?

    1. Scotty B
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Wills

    2. Diamondgeezer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Fabregas's assist record was great despite less game time last year

    3. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      I woukd choose Fabs if he was nailed

      1. twisterteo
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Zaha

  20. A Betting Man
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Mkhitaryan has looked much better than Pogba in this game. Pogba is certainly more nailed, but to be honest I'm now thinking of avoiding both.

  21. Paulie Walnuts
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    I just bathed in cherry tomatoes...

  22. Jakarta
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Zidane = Hitman

  23. the snazzy viking
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Barnsley were 3-0 up against Morcambe, but the Shrimps have now equalised it's 3-3 !!

    1. owls on the up
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      What a shame 😉

    2. km79
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Oh goodness Mee

  24. Deftone79
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    15 Mill dilemma:
    KDB + 5M defender?
    Luiz/Kolasinac + Salah

    Ake, Bertrand, Mee
    Alli, William, Matic, Loftus
    Gab, Kane, Lukaku

    1. owls on the up
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      A- you need some city attack

  25. chaboi1998
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Thoughts?

    A) PVA + Atsu
    B) Mee + Ritchie

    1. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      B

  26. Syd.
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Rashford needs to practice them free kicks

    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      He has been. Kane thought him everything he knows.

    2. Forza Papac
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Tried the Ronaldo technique

  27. Jake.l_8
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    If Siggi were at Everton would he be a good option?

    1. Licky
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Too expensive to be a good option in my opinion.

    2. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      only if he on set pieces and penalties do....he gets a lot of assists from set-plays, without them I wouldn't consider him

  28. Lovejoy
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Abraham + Toby or Bavies/5.5 + JRod??

  29. el polako
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Cheeky Mikhi

  30. AYEW KI-EDEN MEE
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 10 months ago

    Why's Rashford on set pieces? He's abysmal at them. Poor technique

    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Living off the bad goalkeeping vs Celta Vigo last season.

      1. AYEW KI-EDEN MEE
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Surely Mkhi should be on them?