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Attractive price boosts Tielemans’ appeal

Leicester City’s permanent signing of Youri Tielemans (£6.5m) continues to boost interest in their assets for the start of the 2019/20 season.

Fantasy Premier League managers had already been considering Jamie Vardy (£9.0m) and James Maddison (£7.0m) so far in the summer, but the cheaper Tielemans will now rival those two – as well as new singing Ayoze Perez (£6.5m) – for inclusion in our squads.

In this latest Scout Report article, we will analyse the Belgian’s exploits during his loan spell at Leicester last season and assess his potential for the 2019/20 campaign.

Later today, we will have a more in-depth look at Tielemans’ numbers and how they stand up to Maddison’s in particular in an article for Fantasy Football Scout members.

The History and Statistics

Tielemans has been the subject of interest from Europe’s top clubs for some years

Tielemans has been one of the most promising midfield prospects of European football in recent years.

Still only 22-years-old, the Belgian has already made over 250 senior appearances across his country’s top flight as well as Ligue 1 and, as of February 2019, the Premier League too.

Between 2013 and 2017, Tielemans was at Anderlecht, where he scored 35 goals in 185 appearances in all competitions.

His last campaign in Belgium saw him net five times in 15 European appearances.

That’s what drew attention to him from the bigger clubs on the continent and earned him a move to AS Monaco.

Tielemans did not have quite so much success in Ligue 1, scoring just five times in 47 league matches for Monaco.

However, that didn’t stop him hitting the ground running when he arrived in Leicester back in January of this year.

It took Tielemans just three games to get his first attacking return for the Foxes, providing an assist in a 2-1 win over Brighton in Gameweek 28.

That started an incredible run of reliability for the Belgian international as he went on to involve himself in eight goals in the next nine Gameweeks.

In fact, between his debut in Gameweek 26 and the end of the campaign, only Vardy (12) secured more attacking returns than Tielemans (eight).

Three of those were his own goals, with a further five coming from four regular assists and one of the Fantasy variety, a deflected cross to Wes Morgan (£4.5m) against Burnley in Gameweek 31.

During that time, Maddison was the next most central figure to Leicester’s FPL developments, scoring twice and assisting three times (five goal involvements).

That was three fewer than Tielemans despite playing 27 more minutes than him between Gameweeks 26 and 38.

So the question moving forward into the new campaign is whether or not the Belgian can continue to outperform Maddison, given that he already offers a £0.5m saving.

A closer inspection of the underlying statistics shows an interesting story, revealing that it’s not an open and shut case when we compare Tielemans against his now-permanent colleagues towards the back end of last season.

Player Mins per shot Mins per shot in the box Mins per shot on target Mins per chance created
James Maddison 31.9 124.2 111.8 26
Harvey Barnes 25.8 34.8 114.4 57.2
Jamie Vardy 29.8 33.4 64.8 64.8
Youri Tielemans 35.2 155.9 90.9 68.2

We discuss Perez’s underlying numbers, meanwhile, in a piece written shortly after his move from Newcastle.

The Prospects

Tielemans’ underlying statistics compared to his Leicester colleagues were not quite as impressive as first expected

As you can see from the table above, Tielemans did not come out on top for any of the attacking statistics we used to compare him against his key team-mates.

Maddison created more chances than any Leicester player between Gameweeks 26 and 38, averaging one every 26 minutes.

The fact that he has almost complete control of corners and free-kicks will have played a big part in this.

Next up was Harvey Barnes (£6.0m), who fashioned one every 57.2 minutes.

Even centre-forward Vardy averaged a better minutes per chance created than Tielemans’ 68.2.

That’s not to say that the Belgian was not an important part of the team though. In fact, no Leicester player created more big chances than Tielemans during his time at the club last season.

Recording a total of six, the same number as Ricardo Pereira (£6.0m), meant that the Belgian averaged a big chance created every 181 minutes.

When studying the goal threat, we can see again that Maddison was shooting more often than Tielemans too, as was Barnes and, not surprisingly, Vardy.

The Foxes’ talismanic striker was obviously top for minutes per shot in the box (33.4) too and, out of these four key team-mates, Tielemans actually came out worse in that department, averaging a shot in the box every 155.9 minutes.

Tielemans may have to work hard to sustain his form from the end of 2018/19 in the new campaign

Perhaps it’s possible then that such a run as he produced at the end of last season, in which he secured eight attacking returns in nine Gameweeks, is somewhat unsustainable at the start of 2019/20.

What these pieces of information mean for Tielemans’ expected goals (xG) is something we will have to save for our upcoming Members-only article.

How his underlying translates into xG, and those of his colleagues will give us the full picture of what use Tielemans will be to Fantasy managers this season.

As that data is a big part of our Membership package, only those signed up for the 2019/20 campaign will be able to read our analysis of it, coming later today.

While Tielemans doesn’t hold up as favourably as we’d hoped when it comes to the raw underlying statistics, there are, of course, plenty of positives about the player.

In particular, he seems to have advantages over Maddison and Barnes in terms of security of place in the team.

For the majority of Tielemans’ time at Leicester, he was stationed in a central midfield pairing of a four-man bank, enjoying consistent time in the same role.

However, while he was in that role, Brendan Rodgers experimented with different roles for the fifth midfield man.

Sometimes Maddison was deployed as a number 10 behind Vardy in a 4-4-1-1, while at others, Wilfried Ndidi sat behind the midfield in a 4-1-4-1.

Furthermore, Maddison was also moved into several positions within the midfield four at times, either in the middle with Tielemans, or in the place of Barnes on the left flank of it.

Either way, compared to those two midfield team-mates, Tielemans held his position while the others shifted around him.

That is certainly to his credit as it would have almost certainly contributed to his consistent return of FPL points compared to Maddison and Barnes.

Crucially, the £6.5m price-tag is the key appeal of Tielemans though.

The £0.5m over Barnes is worth paying given that he is considerably more assured of a start than the Englishman, while he still offers a £0.5m saving against Maddison, who he outscored in his time at Leicester in 2018/19.

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602 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Alli 3',17',64�…
      3 months, 5 days ago

      Kane and Bilva or sterling and Mili?

      1. Bumbaclot
        • 8 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Kane and milli

        1. Bumbaclot
          • 8 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          Kane and Silva *

    • Kimmich
      • 3 Years
      3 months, 5 days ago

      Ryan
      VVD - Coleman - Laporte
      Salah - KdB - Siggy - Pulisic - Gross
      Vardy - King

      Button - Fredericks - Kelly - Wickham

      Realise Pulisic and Gross are risks but trying to avoid as many double ups at the start as possible. Price points make it easy to jump on someone as well.

    • Bumbaclot
      • 8 Years
      3 months, 5 days ago

      A. VVD/delofeu

      Or

      B. TAA/DCL

      Thanks

      1. liverpool01
        • 1 Year
        3 months, 5 days ago

        A

      2. FPL-Gutten
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        B

      3. CROCosta
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        3 months, 5 days ago

        B

    • Baked baines
      • 4 Years
      3 months, 5 days ago

      How’s this 1st draft looking guys? Any obvious changes to be made?

      Ryan

      TAA Ake AWB Robbo Digne

      Zaha Salah

      Wilson Vardy Kane

      1. Bumbaclot
        • 8 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        I don’t like the 2 mids thing and also can’t see your bench. So 2/10

      2. The_Fish
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Why do you have AWB?

        1. Nomar
          • 9 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          Why, is he not allowed to have him?

      3. Baked baines
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Bench is fodder

        Button Hayden Dendonker Obiang

      4. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        what happened to you midfield?
        Sacrifice Kane and 1 premium defender to bulk up midfield

      5. scubasmithy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        ditch Kane, Wilson,AWB

        Bring in some quality in midfield - Sterling/KDB/Siggy

        King up front is a no brainer, jota/Jimenez/DCL all good value also

    • b91jh
      • 2 Years
      3 months, 5 days ago

      At the sub-premium price range, would u prefer KDB or Vardy?

      1. mcmd11
        • 3 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Vardy

      2. Wiseman Resistant ⚽⚠
        • 7 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        KDB. Its not comparable

        1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
          • 4 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          this

        2. scubasmithy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          this also

      3. Nomar
        • 9 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Depends who replaces each of them, though.

        For example, If you have Sterling instead of KdB so then you pick Vardy instead of, say, Aguero then fair enough.

    • mcmd11
      • 3 Years
      3 months, 5 days ago

      Robo or TAA? why?

      1. The_Fish
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Both, they're awesome.

      2. liverpool01
        • 1 Year
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Taa on set pieces, more likely to get assists and goals

      3. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        TAA for me, fell in love last season 🙂

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          I've got both. If I absolutely have to squeeze 0.5 from somewhere, Robbo can > VVD.

    • Wiseman Resistant ⚽⚠
      • 7 Years
      3 months, 5 days ago

      Perez or Tielmans or both ?

      Also is Pulisic nailed ?

      1. Jarvish Scott Talent
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Perez/Teilemans needs pre-season assessment. They are the same price so pointless deciding now.
        I don't think it will take long for Pulisic to be nailed - may be eased in initially though.

        1. Jarvish Scott Talent
          • 4 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          Both is an interesting option though, and not one I have seen many suggest.

          1. Wiseman Resistant ⚽⚠
            • 7 Years
            3 months, 5 days ago

            I will have both of them, they are super cheap

            1. Jarvish Scott Talent
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              True - though I do have slight reservations about having the likely 3rd and 4th most productive attacking players from a team that is likely to finish mid-table in my starting 11.

        2. Wiseman Resistant ⚽⚠
          • 7 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          I think Pulisic must be nailed. They payed a lot for him

      2. Netley Lucas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Tielemans for now, settled and consistently good.

        He should be.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          I've got both for now. They're just such great value. Will monitor pre-season though, to see if both start and are sufficiently offensive.

      3. Pukki Party
        • 2 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Tielemans

    • OFord
        3 months, 5 days ago

        Thoughts on my current squad?

        Alisson
        Coleman VVD Mendy Vertonghen
        Salah KDB Zaha Maddison
        Kane King

        Not sold on Mendy but definitely want a way into that City defence. Could find .5m from somewhere for Laporte... Maybe swap Zaha for Brooks?

        First year on this site so would appreciate some pointers! lost my work league last year... that can't happen again

      • KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        What do we think folks?

        Kepa
        VVD, TAA, Zinchenko
        KDB, Salah, Zaha, Tielemans, Yarmolenko
        King, Adams

        Button, Christensen, Kelly, Barnes

        2ITB which will likely upgrade Christensen and Yarmolenko but waiting on preseason to find out more

        1. mcmd11
          • 3 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          Pretty good. Maybe try to upgrade KDB to Sterling. Not sure if Adams is nailed.

          1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
            • 4 Years
            3 months, 5 days ago

            Can get in Sterling fairly easily but I think KDB at that price is a steal if playing consistently!
            Adams is to keep it exciting... likely that will be GW1 transfer out 🙂

      • mcmd11
        • 3 Years
        3 months, 5 days ago

        thoughts on this team?

        Ryan (Button)
        VVD Digne Robo Laporte (Kelly)
        Salah Sterling Sigi Maddison (Dendoncker)
        Deulofeu King (Greenwood)

        Cheers

        1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
          • 4 Years
          3 months, 5 days ago

          7.5/10

          Not sold on Deulofeu and better options instead of Siggy at that price IMO

          1. scubasmithy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            3 months, 5 days ago

            Who do you rate higher than siggy at that price? I'd say he is pick of the bunch at 8.0

            1. Alli 3',17',64�…
                3 months, 5 days ago

                Bilva

                1. scubasmithy
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  lol, fair enough, I may be picking them both alongside Salah and Sterling, but still think early on Siggy is the better option of the two of them. Evertons fixtures are great

                  1. Alli 3',17',64�…
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      Yea probably and Bilvas position not certain or minutes tbh but just a cheap way into city and he most likely will perform. He was a bit of a thorn in my side at certain times last season

                  2. Lord Tachanka
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 2 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    Bilva has a bad habit of blanking in games where city score 5 or 6.

                    He can be good but I think Siggy is the better option in price and Sterling/KdB/Kun/Defence are all better uses of a City slot.

          2. Markus
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            3 months, 5 days ago

            Does anyone know any betting sites that has odds on total team goals or total clean sheets (or even most clean sheets) across the season? Spreadex is good for individual player goalscoring market estimates but don't know if any bookmakers do season team bets as would be helpful to understand where the market anticipates these things from a fantasy perspective...

            1. Skull And Gnomes 9
              • 2 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              Good bookies comparison site.
              https://www.oddschecker.com/

          3. Assist me a river
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            3 months, 5 days ago

            1 to 10? What do you guys think?

            Alison
            Van Dijk - Laporte - Talyor (burnley)
            Tielemans - Salah - Siggy - Brooks - Zaha
            Aguero - Jota

            Button, Targett, Dunk, Wickham

            1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              7/10

              Sterling over Aguero for me, with VAR coming in this could very well change
              Better options than Brooks at that price

              1. Assist me a river
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 3 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                The VAR thing is deffo a factor!

                Which player would you transfer Brooks for?

            2. scubasmithy
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              Decent team.... I prefer Sterling to Aguero and King to Brooks... can you afford to switch them round?

            3. GanonTEK
              • 6 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              Pretty great. Taylor the only one I'd have question marks over. Like many others, I think Allison is a waste of a liverpool spot.

          4. Kante FC
            • 2 Years
            3 months, 5 days ago

            Thoughts?

            Ederson (Button)

            Robbo - TAA - VVD - Digne - Coleman

            KDB - Siggi - Maddison (Dendoncker - Stephens)

            Kane - Vardy (Greenwood)

            1. scubasmithy
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              Good team, but with no Sterling or Salah will be lots of hiding behind the sofa. But you can't have them all

            2. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              No Liverpool mid?
              Double everton defence could backfire

            3. Netley Lucas
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              The value of that back 6 appears sound, not sure you've nailed the value of good captaincy further forward though, big sofa?

            4. Alli 3',17',64�…
                3 months, 5 days ago

                Ditch one of the Everton defenders for someone like azpil?

            5. scubasmithy
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              Ok ,I'm going round in circles, but effectively have 2 versions of my draft - I cannot be persuaded to invest heavily up front.... here are my options - which one do you prefer?

              Draft 1 (my current preference)

              Ryan
              Robertson, vvd, Coleman, Walker
              Salah, Sterling, SIGGY, BILVA
              King, DEULOFEU

              Bench is fodder with only a 4.5 mid likely to play

              Draft 2 (the KDB one)
              Ryan
              Robertson, vvd, Coleman, Walker
              Salah, Sterling, KDB, 7.0 (Zaha/Maddison/tielemans etc,,,)
              King, DCL

              Bench similar, although if I got a 6.5 mid I'd have a 4.5 defender along with a 4.5 mid to come off my bench

              1. scubasmithy
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 3 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                also Walker may be Mendy or Zinchenko in draft 1 or possibly LaPorte in draft 2 if I get a 6.5 mid and don't upgrade my bench

            6. Miguel Sanchez
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              3 months, 5 days ago

              Between these three for final two places:

              A) Aguero and Perez (have Tielemans)
              B) Sterling and Deulofeu/Jota
              C) KDB and Vardy

              If C then will perma captain Salah first 5 gws.

              Thanks

              1. scubasmithy
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 3 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                B or C, tough call

                1. Miguel Sanchez
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  It is. C might make my life easier with only one captain option.

              2. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
                • 4 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                hmmm C just for me

              3. Winston.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                currently on B

            7. Alli 3',17',64�…
                3 months, 5 days ago

                I really hope Costa comes back that will be epic for Wolves and the entire premier league. Great player he is, Chelsea losing him was a massive mistake

              • avfc82
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                West Ham news...

                A new shirt number for Chicha - 9.

                Also, Yarmolenko is the new no 7.

                Travelling squad for Asia Trophy...

                Goalkeepers: Fabianski, Martin, Roberto
                Defenders: Cresswell, Diop, Fredericks, Johnson, Ogbonna, Reid, Zabaleta
                Midfielders: Lanzini, Cullen, Diangana, Noble, Obiang, Rice, Sanchez, Snodgrass, Wilshere
                Forwards: Antonio, Chicharito, F. Anderson, Yarmolenko

                1. Jarvish Scott Talent
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  Wilshere - forgot completely about him! Likely to be a threat to some in the starting 11?

                  1. avfc82
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    If he can stay fit... although there is a lot of competition with Fornals to come in.

                2. AnzhiBabakin (AKA: FC Akhma…
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  Whilst I'm no fan I can see Chica staying and possibly being an option now. I'd rather they spend on someone good of course

                3. Kimmich
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  Chicharito
                  Yarmolemko - Lanzini/Fornals - Anderson
                  Rice - Noble
                  Cresswell - Diop - Balbuena - Fredericks
                  Fabianski

                  Just an example team but a striker away from being up there with Leicester and Wolves.

              • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                Id be totally OK with man Utd buying lemina - very decent CM (when fit)

                Not for FPL obvs tho

                1. Andy_Social
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  Saints reject? Sloppy seconds if they can't afford a kid who's played a dozen PL games? My, how the mighty have fallen.

              • Skull And Gnomes 9
                • 2 Years
                3 months, 5 days ago

                Foxes 300/1 for the league.
                They couldn't, could they?

                1. Jarvish Scott Talent
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 5 days ago

                  About a 1 in 301 chance I reckon.

                  1. Skull And Gnomes 9
                    • 2 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    😆 You nevery know !!

                    1. Alli 3',17',64�…
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        No chance it’s not like that happened before 😀

                  2. Andy_Social
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 7 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    Wasn't it 5000/1 last time. Now that I'd put a quid on.

                    1. Alli 3',17',64�…
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        I think 1000/1 wasn’t it?

                        1. Andy_Social
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 7 Years
                          3 months, 5 days ago

                          I'll take it 😉

                      • Skull And Gnomes 9
                        • 2 Years
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        I believe it was in that ball park and there were a few Fox fans with a tenner E/W and the like. Lucky booglers!

                        Bookies have wisened up now, though Blades and Canaries are 2500/1 and you can even get 2000/1 on the Cherries. 🙂

                          1. Andy_Social
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 7 Years
                            3 months, 5 days ago

                            Aha! I remember stuff like that. Now, where did I put me glasses?

                  3. martyhan
                    • 6 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    Thoughts on this please
                    Lloris ( button)
                    Vvd robbo Laporte coleman (Kelly)
                    Salah kdb Townsend Perez (dendoncker)
                    King Kane (Wickham)

                    1. scubasmithy
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 3 Years
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      not keen on LLoris bur otherwise nice, no Sterling is a worry

                  4. avfc82
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 9 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    That Zimmermann news is a blow for Norwich. Godfrey likely to replace him alongside Klose.

                    1. AnzhiBabakin (AKA: FC Akhma…
                      • 3 Years
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      What happened?

                      1. avfc82
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        Knee injury, out for 4-6 weeks.

                    2. Skalla
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 2 Years
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      So guess that is another blow for my no Salah team...

                  5. Stimps
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 6 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    A) KDB, Fraser, Wilson
                    B) Sterling, King, Deulofeu

                    1. liverpool01
                      • 1 Year
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      B

                    2. scubasmithy
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 3 Years
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      a = 2 mids and a striker
                      b = 2 strikers and a mid

                      So who are the other players involved?

                  6. Brosstan
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 5 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    Can you add in Barnes and Perez in the comparison article that coming up later?

                  7. Ole Trafford
                    • 6 Years
                    3 months, 5 days ago

                    Posted this last night. Looking at cheap three way rotations in defence.

                    Assuming Kelly is looking likely to play for the first few games you can save quite a bit. Makes 352 look a good option in this case. For example:

                    Pope
                    Robertson, VVD, Smith
                    Salah, Sterling, Siggy, Zaha, Perez
                    Wilson, King

                    4m, Dunk, Kelly, Greenwood

                    What are people’s thoughts on this team?

                    1. Andy_Social
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 7 Years
                      3 months, 5 days ago

                      You're relying on BOU to start with a bang. If they don't you'll have a lot of catching up to do. Kelly is unlikely to start.

                      1. Ole Trafford
                        • 6 Years
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        I’d be trying to avail of the first two fixtures anyway for sure. Wilson could then become Jiminez/Abraham etc come Gw3 would be my thinking.

                      2. Ole Trafford
                        • 6 Years
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        Andy with Sakho and Tomkins currently injured CPL only have 4 listed defenders fit. Is there someone from the midfield list more likely to play in defence ahead of Kelly?

                        1. Andy_Social
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 7 Years
                          3 months, 5 days ago

                          If both of them don't recover and Palace don't buy or loan in anyone, he starts. Got a month to go but right now I don't fancy the odds.
                          Dunk rotates quite well with a Burnley 4.5 for a bit, other than GW4 (I have Dendonk to step up in emergencies).

                          1. Ole Trafford
                            • 6 Years
                            3 months, 5 days ago

                            Thank you.

                    2. Real Socialad
                        3 months, 5 days ago

                        Not a fan of Pope in goal. Really not sure who will play in goal for Burnley this season (or if they'll keep many clean sheets) so I'd try and change that. The rotation seems fine and the 5-2 up front makes more sense than the 4-3 as Perez is probably better than getting in DCL or someone similar in the forward position

                        1. Ole Trafford
                          • 6 Years
                          3 months, 5 days ago

                          Pope can be any other 4.5gk but with Hart and Heaton being rumoured with other clubs it would seem he is likely to be first choice but pre season will show us more.

                        2. Andy_Social
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 7 Years
                          3 months, 5 days ago

                          Pope's fine. He will be the #1 for Burnley, and I'd have more confidence in him than bandwagon Ryan.
                          Smith's a third Cherry, hence my comment about over-reliance on them, albeit with their kind 1st 2 GWs.

                          1. Real Socialad
                              3 months, 5 days ago

                              Maybe he is the best option at 4.5 but I don't think it's a good idea to have a 4.5 keeper as your only keeper. I think its worth trying to find the budget to get a 5.0 keeper

                            • Ole Trafford
                              • 6 Years
                              3 months, 5 days ago

                              Yeah thanks Andy I agree with what you are saying. I suppose I’d normally go form over fixture but with nothing to go off at the moment I’m going with fixtures. I just see the 3 promoted teams struggling massively.

                        3. Alli 3',17',64�…
                            3 months, 5 days ago

                            Who’s Smith?
                            Areas u need to look at are:
                            Smith
                            Perez
                            Wilson/King

                            Do Wilson > Jimenez and then look at upgrading smith

                            I wouldn’t rotate it never works well

                            1. Ole Trafford
                              • 6 Years
                              3 months, 5 days ago

                              What’s your thinking with Perez/Wilson/King? All 3 are veg good options imo?

                              As I mentioned above Wilson to Jiminez could be on the cards for gw3.

                              Adam Smith of Bournemouth. 4.5/4.5/4 rotation in defence. Frees up some cash.

                              1. Alli 3',17',64�…
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  Bournemouth are atrocious in defence, and two Bournemouth forwards no ty. Fraser and one forward is the right idea imo. The forwards could work out tbh but no Bournemouth defence

                          • Kizza_10
                            • 5 Years
                            3 months, 5 days ago

                            How do you think she looks likes with 3 big hitters, Granted the bench is weak but I’m willing to gamble in the opening few game weeks. Do you think this is viable. Any advice is welcome.

                            Ryan
                            Wan B Robertson Walker VVD Coleman
                            Tielemans Salah Sterling Moutinho
                            Kane

                            Subs, button, donkey, wickham, greenwood

                          • FantasyFootballFanatic
                            • 3 Years
                            3 months, 5 days ago

                            Thoughts on this first draft?

                            Alisson (Button)
                            VVD Zinchenko Stevens (Gibson Kelly)
                            Salah Sterling Sig Mili (Dendoncker)
                            Jimenez Tammy (when he is put into the game) King

                            Huge emphasis on penalty takers as I think there will be lots more than last season due to the introduction of VAR.

                            1. Real Socialad
                                3 months, 5 days ago

                                If you really want penalty takers then you should probably have Noble as your 5th mid. Defence looks a bit weak (personally I don't think Zinchenko is reliable enough) and a Sheff United defender as your 3rd defender with no rotation is ballsy to the max

                              • scubasmithy
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 3 Years
                                3 months, 5 days ago

                                I don't think its a forgone conclusion that there will be more penalties.

                                If you look at combined data or Bunndesliga, La Liga and Serie A....
                                Season Before VAR introduced - total penalties awarded 348
                                Season after VAR introduced - total penalties awarded 347

                            2. LangerznMash
                              • 3 Years
                              3 months, 5 days ago

                              Don't get why there is so much love for King, currently the template forward on here.
                              There is an equal amount of cons as there are pros to owning him.
                              With Callum Wilson back, King gets pushed into a supporting role either out wide or to the number 10 position. He is not effective here, only averages 3 assists per season. If he was listed as a midfield on FPL then yeah I would consider him. He only ever thrives playing centre forward. Only 1 goal in last 6 matches (no assists either). No guarantee he is #1 penalty taker, wouldn't be surprises to see Wilson 1st choice. Bournemouth's GW3-5 is ManCity, Leicester and Everton... could be 3 blanks.
                              I think people are so desperate to find that 6.5m forward to fit the template 352 system that it is causing King to appear more attractive than he really is.

                              1. Alli 3',17',64�…
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  Yea it really bugs me that I cant afford Wilson. For 6.5 king is great price but he is not Wilson and has no where bears Wilson’s potential. Wilson can legit be getting the odd hatti or even 4 in one game last season? King ain’t going to be getting that..

                                • Andy_Social
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 7 Years
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  At 6.5 he'll do for 2 GWs without upsetting the rest of the team.

                                • CROCosta
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 1 Year
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  Lack of other apealing forwards in that range is the reason - Jota having bad fixtures, Delofeu as well, Murray is trash, Burnley fwd line a big question mark but unassouming, only real other option I can see is Calvert-Lewin or spending extra cash and going for Wilson/Vardy/Jimenez.
                                  He is clearly the best option due to great fixtures at this specific price point for forwards which is why most people are going for him (me included as a sole striker in my 4-5-1 team)

                                  1. LangerznMash
                                    • 3 Years
                                    3 months, 5 days ago

                                    That's my point, due to lack of forwards in this 'essential range', people are looking at King with rose tinted glasses.
                                    Everyone trying to uses the optimal strategy (https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2019/07/08/player-value-and-the-most-efficient-use-of-the-fpl-budget/?hc_page=1&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_20416745 ) but this isn't optimal if the players you force into it aren't themselves value for money.
                                    You need to adjust the strategy slightly to fit in a better forward choice.

                                • Brosstan
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 5 Years
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  Leicester and everton are crap defensively.

                              2. mcmd11
                                • 3 Years
                                3 months, 5 days ago

                                Any 4m defender that could start? Newly promoted sides?

                                1. Andy_Social
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 7 Years
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  no

                                2. LangerznMash
                                  • 3 Years
                                  3 months, 5 days ago

                                  If Ben Gibson gets a transfer to Villa then maybe him.

                              3. Rohirrims
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 3 Years
                                3 months, 5 days ago

                                Like this lot quite a bit:-

                                Button - Pope
                                Robertson - Laporte - Digne - Dawson - Diop
                                Salah - Sterling - Tielemans - Hojbjerg - Dendoncker
                                Aubameyang - King - Wickham

                                Default of 4-4-2 with options of 5-3-2, 5-4-1 and 4-5-1.

                                Wickham could be any of the 4.5's if they are likely starters. Could go Cathcart or Femenia over Dawson to upgrade Button to Ryan.

                              4. Kimmich
                                • 3 Years
                                3 months, 5 days ago

                                Opinions on this Aguero team?

                                Ryan
                                VVD - Digne - Zinchenko (Balbuena - Kelly)
                                Salah - Siggy - Zaha - Perez - Anderson
                                Aguero - Jiménez (Wickham)

                                Zinchenko can become Walker and Digne Coleman if he doesn’t look like starting.

                                1. Real Socialad
                                    3 months, 5 days ago

                                    Looks good. Any way of upgrading someone in your mid to KDB? If there is then I think you have a great team

                                    1. Kimmich
                                      • 3 Years
                                      3 months, 5 days ago

                                      Could probably squeeze him in with trimming Digne - Coleman, Anderson - JWP/Trossard and Siggy becoming KdB.

                                      1. scubasmithy
                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                        • 3 Years
                                        3 months, 5 days ago

                                        Jiminez to King or DCL probably worth it for first few weeks due to fixtures, you could then keep siggy and upgrade Perez or Zaha to KDB including trimming above