Scout Notes

Salah delivers timely away haul in Double Gameweek of contrasting fortunes

West Ham United 0-2 Liverpool

  • Goals: Mohamed Salah (£12.5m), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.2m)
  • Assists: Divock Origi (£5.2m), Salah
  • Bonus: Salah x3, Oxlade-Chamberlain x2, Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.6m) x1

Liverpool rounded off a predictably successful Double Gameweek 24 with a win over West Ham United on Wednesday night, a result that sent the Reds 19 points clear at the top of the Premier League.

Victories over Wolves and the Hammers added up to a fairly productive Gameweek for most of Liverpool’s Fantasy assets, too.

Of the 12 players who Jurgen Klopp used in his starting XIs at Molineux and the London Stadium, ten of them avoided a blank in at least one of the fixtures.

The exceptions were Georginio Wijnaldum (£5.4m) and, of course, Sadio Mane (£12.3m).

The injured Senegalese winger missed out on this latest success over David Moyes’ side and his sum contribution to the Double Gameweek 24 effort was a miserable one point, to the chagrin of his many owners and especially those who used the Triple Captain chip on him.

Mohamed Salah‘s (£12.5m) Gameweek 24 total of 16 points would have further rubbed salt into the wounds, such was the coin-toss nature of the captaincy decision for many FPL managers ahead of last Tuesday’s deadline.

The usual retrospective narratives will be applied in some quarters (Salah had the advantage of being on penalties, which gave him the edge etc) but it’s hard to legislate for a muscle strain picked up by Mane after half an hour in Wolverhampton, particularly as he had previously avoided any sort of meaningful injury in the whole of 2019/20.

Who knows what damage he could have inflicted on a limited West Ham side had he been fit enough to feature? And who could have predicted Salah would bank his highest FPL score in an away fixture since December 2018 in the same Gameweek?

We may not see Mane before the February winter break, with Klopp having said on Tuesday that the Senegal international would “probably not” play against Southampton in Gameweek 25.

There was no further comment from the Liverpool boss in his post-match press conference, unfortunately, with Klopp’s only injury update concerning Divock Origi (£5.2m), who limped off after 68 minutes in east London.

Klopp said:

Always when a player has to come off it’s a concern, especially when you play again three days later. But he told me it was cramps and let’s hope that it is like this and he should be ready again.

The win over West Ham was another exercise in patience for Liverpool fans and Fantasy managers alike, with the Reds encountering yet another team who were content on sitting back and soaking up pressure from Klopp’s side.

The Hammers, again operating with a five-man defence, largely did a satisfactory job for the first half an hour and Salah’s 34th-minute penalty was the visitors’ first shot on target.

Up until that point, Liverpool had got most of their joy when targeting teenage debutant Jeremy Ngakia (£4.0m) down West Ham’s right flank: Andrew Robertson (£7.0m) couldn’t quite finish off a Salah pass with the angle narrowing and soon after whipped an inviting ball across the six-yard box having again got behind the young right-back.

The breakthrough came when Issa Diop (£4.4m) clumsily felled Origi close to goal, allowing Salah the opportunity to score what was only his second away league goal on the season.

Liverpool’s deadlock-breaking strike forced West Ham out a little more and that played into the league leaders’ hands shortly after the interval, with Salah feeding Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.2m) to score the Reds’ second on the break.

There could have been further returns for the Egyptian in the final 20 minutes, with Salah nodding a Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.6m) cross wide and then smashing the post with a curling effort from just outside the box.

After the injury concerns of autumn 2019, Salah looks back to his old self: energetic, dangerous and reassuringly profligate.

Roberto Firmino (£9.6m) couldn’t add to his goal at Molineux but came mightily close, forcing Lukasz Fabianski (£4.9m) into a superb low save just after half-time.

A superb piece of trickery on the West Ham byline went unrewarded a quarter of an hour later, with the Brazil international undermining his nimble footwork when slicing his shot well wide.

Liverpool’s defence recorded their seventh clean sheet in eight matches, meanwhile, although there were scares along the way.

Alisson (£6.1m) twice made smart stops from Declan Rice (£4.7m) in the second half, also thwarting a bobbling effort from Robert Snodgrass (£5.2m).

Manuel Lanzini‘s (£6.2m) scuffed attempt and Angelo Ogbonna‘s (£4.5m) off-target header ought to have tested the Liverpool shot-stopper, while Alexander-Arnold was inches away from ruining the visitors’ shut-out when crashing a clearance off his goalkeeper’s upright late on.

The luck that had arguably deserted the Reds’ backline in the first 15 Gameweeks of the season seems to be back, although Alisson and Joe Gomez’s (£5.2m) returns to the starting XI have also been huge factors in the increase in clean sheets.

Reflecting on a less-than-vintage display, Klopp said:

It was not a brilliant performance against a side which is insecure in the moment in the situation they are in. But for us on the other side, it makes it really difficult because a very important pattern in football is counter the counter. But for that the other team needs to have counters, and winning the ball back and then using the space. But we started pretty much each attack with a ball from a centre-half against nine or 10 or 11. 

I wish we would have done better but I take it like it is because if it would be easy to win this amount of games and have this number of points, so many other teams would have done it. It’s just really incredibly difficult.

The difficulty tonight was to get the rhythm, keep the rhythm and to stay concentrated. I think the biggest chances we gave them.

As we mentioned in our frisk of the Premier League fixture list, any Double Gameweek 24 punts on West Ham assets were surely short-term moves, given the unfavourable matches ahead.

Moyes’ troops look neither solid enough at the back nor sufficiently potent in attack to encourage investment at present, although the return of Fabianski is a huge positive and the influential Michail Antonio (£6.9m) may well have been spared this encounter in order to save him for the more winnable match against Brighton on Saturday.

Speaking ahead of the match, Moyes said of Antonio’s absence:

He’s still feeling his hamstring a little bit and obviously we need him back but we can’t take any more risks, so he misses out tonight.

The Hammers at least had a go at their visitors in the second half and had kept them at bay in the opening 30 minutes, with Moyes highlighting the positives in his post-match presser:

I thought the players did a good job defensively. Especially giving a debut to a young right-back as well. Look, we were playing against a really good team, we made opportunities, more in the second half and gave us some chances.

Overall pleased with the performance up against a tough team, we are a bit limited to what we can do as well so we made the most of what we could.

I think the players will feel that in lots of things tonight it was positive. Tactically organised, disciplined when they had to be and some of the defenders stood up to good challenges tonight. Organisational wise I thought they dealt well with things that Liverpool caused them.

Any thoughts that Ngakia could become a regular £4.0m starting defender were slightly dampened by Moyes, who said:

I wanted to give Zabaleta a breather, he’s played a lot of games and we need to look after him with the games coming up as well.

Moyes added that new signing Tomas Soucek would come into his thoughts for Gameweek 25, saying that the midfielder had “had a winter break so hopefully he is fresh and ready to go”.

West Ham United XI (5-4-1): Fabianski; Ngakia, Diop, Ogbonna, Cresswell, Masuaku; Noble, Rice, Snodgrass, Lanzini (Fornals 69′); Haller.

Liverpool XI (4-3-3): Alisson; Alexander-Arnold (Keita 78′), Van Dijk, Gomez, Robertson; Oxlade-Chamberlain (Jones 85′), Henderson, Wijnaldum; Firmino, Salah, Origi (Fabinho 69′).

Members Analysis

As part of our Members Articles Unlocked week, the analysis below – normally behind the paywall – is available for non-subscribers to read.

The average position maps above (West Ham left, Liverpool right) show just how advanced Robertson was in the visitors’ set-up, with the Scottish left-back (number 26) further forward than any of the Hammers’ starters.

Origi (number 27) took up Mane’s left-wing role, with both he and Salah (number 11) often pushing on in advance of the roaming Firmino (number 9).

Salah topped the table for goal attempts, with only Firmino able to match his seven penalty box touches on Wednesday.

The Egyptian racked up six shots against Wolves, too, taking his total to 11 in Gameweek 24 alone – although only one of those, his penalty against West Ham, was deemed a big chance.

Sebastien Haller (£7.0m) didn’t register a single goal attempt against Liverpool or Leicester, with his combined expected goal involvement (xGI) of 0.10 underlining just how starved of service he has been in Gameweek 24.

Salah’s cause on the Bonus Points System was helped no end by the fact that the two key passes he supplied led to big chances.

Alexander-Arnold chipped in with two key passes, as well, helping him to a bonus point: no FPL defender has more of those than the Liverpool right-back this season.

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  1. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    WC team, any thoughts appreciated

    Dubravka (McCarthy)
    O'Connell,TAA,Robbo (Lascelles,Stephens)
    Salah,KDB,Grealish,Fleck (Traore)
    Auba(C),Jiminez,Deeney

    0.9ITB

    Dubravka+McCarthy as they rotate perfectly.

    Cheers!

    1. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      I’m guessing your planning Deeney > Ings with the spare cash?

      Think Id go Ings from the go and if your not confident with him bench him this week for Lascelles.
      Saves a transfer.

    2. Gudjohnsen
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Look good.

      Still not sure about Deeney but rest looks good.

      1. AndyisaGooden
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        I like the Deeney shout but is a bit short term

  2. Strchld
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Mane owners, are we benching him and hoping he is going to miss just Southampton game?
    Have 2FT, so could also downgrade Mane and upgrade Kiko or Kelly to Robbo.

    1. Tonyawesome69
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      benching him

    2. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      I’ve only got one transfer.
      Undecided.
      1. Mane > Traore or Mooy then Greenwood > Aubamayang wk 26
      2. Both transfers above for -4 but would mean I bench Mooy or Traore
      3. Save.

      With 2 FT’s like yourself I’d be tempted to switch straight to double defence.

    3. n14mul
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Currently in the mind to take a hit mane and DCL to traore and Auba

  3. Saint Tim
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    GW28 - please can someone clarify for me which games are on and which teams will now have blanks? Thanks!

    1. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      2 games off.
      Man City v Arsenal
      Aston Villa v Sheffield United

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        Is villa utd definitely off. Read somewhere it could be moved later on in the same gw

        1. The 12th Man
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 4 months ago

          Not seen this. You could be right.
          I suppose no games have been confirmed as cancelled yet. We do know who plays in the final though and those games will have to be rescheduled.
          I hope your right, will help me out a lot.

          1. Ajax Hamsterdam
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 4 months ago

            Me too haha

        2. Dichio24
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 4 months ago

          Yes. Sheff Utd playing in the FA cup that midweek

  4. Tonyawesome69
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Morning all,

    Not sure what to do with this team. *highlighted some players who I think should transfer out. Keeping Mane as I have had him since GW1

    1ft 1.5itb
    Ryan* pope
    Evans* TAA dunk* lundstram rico
    Grealish KDB mane salah traore
    vardy ings connolly*

  5. laGan1n1
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Epic GW!

    119 pts, GW rank 357

    1. Old Man
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Woof! Superb.

      1. laGan1n1
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        tnx man 🙂

    2. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      This is epic yes we'll done !!!

    3. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Hot Dog

    4. beric
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Smashing

    5. SweepaKeepa
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Well played.

  6. Jam0sh
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Hello guys. What would you do here?

    Ryan
    TAA, Lundstram, Kelly
    Salah, KDB, Traore, MANE
    Vardy, DCL, Abraham

    subs: Button --- Soyoncu, Rico, Cantwell --- 1 FT, 0.2 ITB

    A) Mane -> Son
    B) Mane and Abraham -> Son and Firmino (-4)
    C) Something else, what?

  7. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Am in top 3500 and not used at all being ranked so high. Haven't taken a hit all season . I have mane and Abraham. Shall I just ditch mane and hope Abraham plays ( have read Chelsea might line him up even if he has to play under pain barrier ) or take a hit and sell both ( auba and traore would be the plan ) . Problem is, a hit at this stage will definitely get me out of the 5k even before a ball being kicked. Or is it best just to play my game without worrying about my rank.

    Could really do with some help 🙂

    Thank you

    1. beric
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Ignore your rank and do what feels right. I would sell tammy for ings or jimenez peraonally

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        And keep mane ? Cheers

    2. Old Man
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Don't let the tail wag the dog - if you really feel to take a hit then do it, or do you feel that becuase you haven't taken a hit so far it would be a blemish on your season? Sometimes you have to go back 1 step to make 2 steps forward.
      Nevertheless you need to ask yourself can you wait for week - is your bench deep enough to make do this week? A minor drop at this stage is not a catastrophe.

      1. Old Man
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        Beric's suggestions are sound too - make any transfer a sensible long term term one.

        1. Ajax Hamsterdam
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 4 months ago

          Cheers old man

    3. Jam0sh
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      If you keep Tammy and he's out, who would you play instead?

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        Cantwell who is a doubt

    4. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Thanks all really appreciate it 🙂

  8. Zladan
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    25 gameweeks in and I’ve finally dropped to 2nd place. It looked like I had an unassailable lead but I now find myself 4 points behind the new leader.

    The coin flip of a Salah v Mane TC didn’t work out for me, but worked a charm for my rival... and could be season defining.

    The power of the chips cannot be underestimated.

    1. Old Man
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      You were very unlucky. Plenty of time yet.

      1. Zladan
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        That’s what I keep telling myself. It was unfortunate though. Onwards! blanks and doubles to navigate and capitalise on still

  9. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Never been so sure about my captain.

    So get ready for a Salah blank against Southampton.

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      🙂

    2. Bavarian
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Sure he will, I'm c'ing him too...

  10. Johnny Drama
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Waking up with 109p for my team and a jump from 257k to 55k OR.

    Happy times 🙂

  11. Champions League Varane
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Wildcard
    Which looks better?

    1.
    Dubravka McCarthy
    TAA J.Gomez Bertrand Lascelles O’Connell
    Salah KDB Grealish Traore Bruno (when he is confirmed)
    Auba Jiminez Ings

    2.
    Henderson Pope
    TAA VVD Lascelles Stephens O’Connell/Lund
    Salah KDB Grealish Traore Fleck
    Aguero Jiménez Ings

    1. Old Man
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      2
      Bruno will need time to settle, so wait and see. Look at this goals in the Italian league .... tougher than Portugal.

  12. beric
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Think ill bench mane and do cantwell to mooy. No decent options that play 28 are spring out at me.

    Pope
    Taa lascelles lundstrum
    Salah(c) kdb traore mooy
    Vardy ings jimenez

    Kelly, holgate, mane

    Any thoughts?

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Great plan

      1. beric
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        Thanks man

  13. Arteta
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    I totally understand you'd want even more from Mo and he had the chances to do so but in the end it's really okay. He became the highest scorer of this DGW (alongside Henderson) and that was the ultimate goal of everyone.
    It used to be a coin toss with Sadio, do you remember? And he got us 45 points more. Be thankful for once.

    1. beric
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Im very thankful thanks

    2. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      People feel entitled. I don't even own Salah yet I'm happy with my score. FPL is largely luck anyway.

      1. cheekumz
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        ridiculous, FPL is not largely luck... there is an element of luck. Isolated Gameweek perfomance has larger elements of luck.... and of course winning the whole thing or even getting close to it is largely luck... but performing well over the course of a season is certainly not LARGELY luck.

  14. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Hadn't rashford been injured, I wouldn't even have Salah in my team. I would have tc mane . Fine margins ...

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Yep, it's luck whether people want to admit it or not. If Mane plays yesterday he hauls as well.

      1. The 12th Man
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        Most definitely. Could easily have been Salah or Trent that went off in the first game.

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 4 months ago

          Exactly. No master stroke from anyone this week.

          1. mik-hail-tal
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 4 months ago

            Sure that's all true but it was never a coinflip. Salah is on pens and anyone who took Mane TC while owning Salah could've avoided it IMHO

            Super unlucky though.

    2. TheDragon
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      This game is 100% skill when I get points and 100% luck when I don’t.

  15. Stoic
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Martial owners what are you doing ?
    I have Mane, Kelly, Cantwell to deal first. No confidence in Martial rn

    1. Eleven Hag
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      With Bruno in, there cud be more service

  16. n14mul
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Not sure I could bench 12m for the next 3gw. Suppose it depends on if your chasing or not....I am chasing

    1. n14mul
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Reply fail. Beric post

  17. Henryyy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Who would you play?

    A Rico (AVL)
    B Soy (CHE)

    1. n14mul
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Rico for me

  18. Dont give a fuchs
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Whats your auto pick team?

    I did mine just now and it is

    Pope - Foster
    Azpi - Stephens - VVD - Gomez - Digne
    Doucoure - Noble - Mahrez - Jorginho - Fleck
    Wood - Jesus - Jimenez

    ITB - 12.2M

    1. beric
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      I really cba to delete my team and find out, let alone type it all out

      1. mik-hail-tal
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        haha

  19. Hazardous1983
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    which 2 to start from

    soyuncu
    rico
    lundstram
    kelly

    1. The Fed
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      I am in the same situation. Currently on rico and lund, but I am unsure whether to start lund as he could be dropped.

  20. EL tridente
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Who to start?
    A) Rico
    B) Ings

    1. n14mul
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Same thing for me currently on rico

    2. Hazardous1983
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Ings

  21. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Did Mahrez have another knock yesterday?

    1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Finally updated and the flag is removed

  22. LewanGOALski
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    which 2 would you start out of those 4?

    A) Lundstram (cry)
    B) Rico (AVL)
    C) Cantwell (new)
    D) Ings (liv)

  23. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Friendly reminder that Alisson gave everyone a 8 game head start and now nobody has more clean sheets than him.

    Different gravy.

    1. n14mul
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Very true but not sure he is worth taking up a Liverpool slot in your team

  24. Hazardous1983
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    best mane replacement for 1 week. will wildcard next week

    1. TheDragon
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Salah

      1. Hazardous1983
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        I own him already.

        1. TheDragon
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 4 months ago

          I’m struggling with the same thing - there really aren’t any clearly appealing 1 week punts this week.

          Son maybe, even though they’ve got City

    2. n14mul
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      To find a midfielder replacement is tough. Suppose you could go sterling or mahrez. Or like my self go mid price and strengthen elsewhere

    3. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      H Wilson

  25. Lav
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    2 FT £0.2m itb. Wild card or just make two moves?

    Guaita / 4.0
    TAA / Lund / Soy / Holgate / 4.0
    Salah / Mane / KDB / Grealish / Cantwell
    Vardy / Jimenez / Ings

    1. TheDragon
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Why would you wildcard? Definitely don’t wildcard

      1. Old Man
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 4 months ago

        Absolutely this!

    2. JasonG123
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      We have the same team except you have Guita and I have McCarthy. You also have 2FT. Wilcard is the furthest thing from my mind, crazy crazy decision to WC...

  26. Hazardous1983
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    what to do with this

    mccarthy (button)
    rico kelly trent (lund,soyuncu)
    mane grealish kdb salah maddison
    vardy ings (greenwood)

    0.3m in bank

  27. Sc007
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Start Traoré or alli?

    1. Gudjohnsen
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Alli

  28. JasonG123
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    McCarthy (McGovern)
    TAA Lundstram Holgate (Rico Williams)
    Salah KDB Grealish Traore (Cantwell)
    Vardy Jimenez Ings

    0FT, 5.8m ITB. Anything worth a hit?

  29. Jam0sh
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Thoughts about Son as Mane replacement?

    1. TheDragon
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      Think I’m going to do it

      No obvious good options for this GW and after that Son looks good.

  30. DAZZ
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 months ago

    Is robertson worth the extra .4 over VVD? Im contemplating?

    1) Robbo + Stephens
    2) VVD + Bertrand

    1. Old Man
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 months ago

      I'm not sure he is. VVD less likely to be rested.