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Dugout Discussion November 20

Liverpool v Arsenal team news: Tsimikas starts as Robertson misses out

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Seven down, one to go: the final Premier League match of the day sees Liverpool play host to Arsenal at a rain-soaked Anfield.

Kick-off on Merseyside is at 17:30 GMT.

The Reds scored three goals home and away against Arsenal last season and have found the net on 28 occasions in their last eight home league meetings with the Gunners.

Mohamed Salah personally has six goals and four assists in eight fixtures against Arsenal since joining Liverpool in 2017, averaging 8.13 points per match.

The Egyptian is part of an unchanged front three this evening, taking his place alongside Diogo Jota and Sadio Mane.

Jurgen Klopp has been forced into two alterations elsewhere, however, with captain Jordan Henderson only fit enough to make the bench and Andrew Robertson absent entirely.

Thiago Alcantara and Konstantinos Tsimikas come in to replace them.

Mikel Arteta’s only change from the 1-0 win over Watford in Gameweek 11 is a predictable one: Thomas Partey returns from a muscle injury at the expense of Ainsley Maitland-Niles.

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is also fit enough to feature despite some cryptic comments from his manager in Friday’s pre-match press conference.

GAMEWEEK 12 LINE-UPS

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Thiago, Fabinho, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Salah, Jota, Mane.

Subs: Kelleher, Konate, Beck, Bradley, Phillips, Morton, Henderson, Minamino, Gordon.

Arsenal XI: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tavares, Saka, Sambi Lokonga, Partey, Smith Rowe, Lacazette, Aubameyang.

Subs: Leno, Tierney, Cedric Soares, Holding, Elneny, Maitland-Niles, Pepe, Odegaard, Martinelli.

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  1. Hy liverpool
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Watford 4
    Stevie 1st win
    Liverpool great performance

    A freakin great daay!!

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    1. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      The sad part would be sacking ole

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      1. Patron
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Nah, the lad is there until they are relegated

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    2. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      So you're cheering on Villa now?

      Villa fans by and large hate Liverpool.

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  2. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Right since I don’t have TAA the closest thing I can do is getting James Chillwell.
    Should I pull the trigger? Will be priced out tonight.
    A)Antonio + livramento—> James + jimenez(-4)

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    1. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      you know what people are going to say to you, forget everyone else for the time being and just get TAA

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      1. Botman and Robben
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        +1

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      2. dr. Phil
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah you really have to get him

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      3. Mozumbus
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        This

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  3. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Early days but what would you look to do here please? 0mitb. 1ft. Thanks

    A....dias to chilwell

    B.....mbeumo and Antonio to jota and pukki  - 4 (exact cash)

    C.....save ft

    Ramsdale
    Taa James cancelo dias (livra)
    Salah foden raphinha mbeumo (normann)
    Kane King (antonio)

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    1. EmreCan Hustle
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      B

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    2. DARE TO BISCAN
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      S

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      1. DARE TO BISCAN
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        *A

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        1. Flynny
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Cheers...

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          1. DARE TO BISCAN
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            ... you're welcome.

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  4. Patron
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Does one really can be punished by selling foken Pukki and Toney on a WC? Dear Lord…

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  5. Steve The Spud
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Give ole time

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    1. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Agree

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  6. Atimis
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Which one would you go for?

    1. Havertz Livra to Gallagher/ESR TAA - 442
    2. Havertz Mbeumo Livra to 4.4 BSilva TAA -4 - 442
    3. Havertz Mbeumo to Jota BSilva - 352
    4. Havertz Mbeumo to Foden Gallagher - 352

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    1. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      first one but I'd be wary of Gallagher's minutes possibly being managed

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      1. Atimis
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Was there something about that or just fixtures congestion?

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        1. F4L
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          nah just congestion and with Palace having a strong squad now (maybe Vieira gives Olise/Eze a chance in the 10 role). But tbh loads of players will miss out on minutes for a while now

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          1. Atimis
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            Yeah, I guess I have to go 4 at the back with TAA now so have limited options comes down to Gallagher vs BSilva -4, ofc having City mid would be more exciting but dunno if it’s worth it

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            1. Ze_Austin
              • 5 Years
              2 years, 5 months ago

              Not with Bilva, no

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  7. Tomerick
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    One of my highlights of this season was giving a tip on Twitter to a guy to pick Gallagher and he argued that Thiago was a better pick.

    The icing on the cake is that I haven’t owned Gallagher all season myself. Need to trust my gut more.

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  8. Dybala10
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    What to do with vardy?

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    1. nolard
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      keep - nice fixtures, and he will be at the center of what leicester produce

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      1. Lucky Z
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Not to promising when foxes produce 0

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    2. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      keep for Watford, hope he doesn't get benched for Southampton

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    3. Gross Blank Point
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Playing him the next few weeks.
      He really should have scored with that header today.
      Depends on Kane and CR7 as well, but I've gone without them all season, no rush to bring them in unless there's a drastic change in their form

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      1. nolard
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        yes, the lack of alternatives also makes it easier to keep

        will keep an eye on lukaku

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  9. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Pick one
    1)Trent + pukki/Hwang
    2)Jimenez + Reece James
    Already have Chillwell.

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    1. dr. Phil
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      The one with trent.

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    2. Mozumbus
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      1, can't afford no TAA

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    3. Alonso The Great Midfielder
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      a

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  10. Paqueta Rice
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Is this madness. 2ft so -8

    Livra, Benrahma, Antonio and Ronaldo
    To
    Cancelo, Jota, Kane and 4.6

    Changing formation

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  11. Deulofail
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Criminal to bench Chilwell against United?

    Trent Cancelo James
    Son Foden Raphinha Gallagher Raphinha
    Jesus Jimenez

    Foster | Chilwell, Edouard, Livramento

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    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Raphina = ESR

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    2. Lord of Ings
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      That is some team.
      And I guess you’ll have to bench chillwell (It’s him or Jesus)

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      1. Botman and Robben
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        No Mo

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        1. Lord of Ings
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          I missed that haha
          No wonder the rest of it looks so balanced

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    3. panda07
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Criminal is having two Raphinhas

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    4. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Where's Elneny?

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      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Can't have them all, unfortunately. Wish he was classified as the forward that he is

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    5. Zimo
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah bench Gallagher

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      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Damn I bought Gallagher 10 minutes ago

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    6. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Gallagher or jimmy.
      Jesus if he plays 90 vs psg

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      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Right, thanks, gotta hope for midweek clues 🙂

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    7. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      see how Raph looks tomorrow, but he'd probably be the one to bench imo

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    8. panda07
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Tough benching decision, you probably have it right

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    9. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Tough bench choice. I'd bench Gallagher probably but won't be happy about it. No Salah?

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      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Looking to sell Raphinha and Jimmy for Ronaldo/Kane and fodder, or Raphiha, Jimmy and Edouard for Ronaldo/Kane, Bowen/Benteke and fodder. No space for Salah in these plans

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    10. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      You need to focus more on captaincy with this team. Chase future points rather than worry about the little things, you seem to be micromanaging each week. Look at the macro

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  12. Pablitto
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    -4 hit:
    Livra + Fodden to TAA + 7.2 mid...
    Have Mo Son Sarr Sissoko...

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  13. Lets Talk About 19 Baby
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Due to rubbish rank, decided not put the captaincy on Salah. Watching the game, could of been so much worse. Let’s see if Kane turns up 2moro. No goals, penalty miss & yellow card, incoming the way my season is going.

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    1. Bennerman
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I took that same risk, in my case with Son as skipper. Feels like it's even just now as to whether it's worked or not. Spose the good news is that we know it wasn't a disaster ie massive Salah score

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  14. F4L
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    ASM with 7 shots today, why was he changed to a striker 🙁

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    1. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I watched that game... He was playing everywhere literally a winger CAM striker, amazing.

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      1. F4L
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        yeah he should thrive if Howe sticks to playing attacking football, just hard to justify as a striker

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  15. Piggs Boson
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Salah has only blanked once in 12 GWs. His consistency is disgusting.

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    1. Qaiss
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Him and Henry are in their own league for PL greatness

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    2. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      FPL managers only want one thing...

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  16. Scots Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Likelihood of Cancelo outscoring 8 points?

    (C)ancelo in need of reassurance.

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    1. Goodfeathers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Decent chance I’d say. Definitely due a goal

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  17. Cruicky
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    felt bad benching Rudiger for Livramento. Then seen the highlights - McCarthy should be saving both those goals.

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    1. Bennerman
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      And still felt bad, presumably

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    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      And then you realize Leicester had almost no goal threat and Rudiger was the better pick all along...

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  18. Chilli Heatwave
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Score check?

    On 75 1 to play which I think is ok but so many goal scored this week, interested how everyone else got on.

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    1. Scots Gooner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      45. (C)ancelo, Son, Foden to go.

      Meh.

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    2. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      69 with Kane to go

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    3. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      60 with Cancelo and Son to go

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    4. Sailboats
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      74 with son to play

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    5. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      56 with Son, Foden, Cancelo, Dias.

      Currently on a red arrow...

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    6. Qaiss
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      70 with Cancelo, Raphinha and Meslier to go.

      Really need Leeds to keep em out. Not expecting much though.

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    7. Ze_Austin
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      52 with Son, Cancelo, Jesus and Foden (or Gallagher's 5 points off the bench) to go

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    8. Art Vandelay
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      70 with Cancelo, Kane and Foden to go.

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    9. how now brown cow
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      75 with 2 to go.

      Antonio and Benrahma blanking is irritating.

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    10. Bennerman
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Such a lie about how interested you are and how ok that is

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    11. lugs
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      37. Son(c), Foden, Cancelo, Regulion to go, having no Chelsea defense is killing me this week

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    12. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      60 with Kane(C), Raph and Dias.

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    13. SouthCoastSaint
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      You think is ok…. Oh get out of town tella

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    14. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      55 with Foden Son Cancelo to go

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    15. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      61 Foden & Cancelo

      No Trent

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  19. ZeBestee
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    How many points do we expect Kane to get tomorrow?

    1) 2
    2) 6-9
    3) 12-16

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    1. Scots Gooner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I'll go 2.

      Not expecting fireworks.

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    2. Art Vandelay
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      2.5)

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      1. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        2.5 doesn't make sense unless he assists twice, which is a bit illogical with Kane.

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    3. how now brown cow
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      1

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    4. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Points or goals?

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      1. AzzaroMax99
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        15+ goals xD

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      2. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Lol, I captained.

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    5. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      1

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  20. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Hi...do we know how long firmino is out for?

    Seen it suggested mid December. But also klopp seemed to suggest it may not be that long....

    Don't want to bring in jota only for formino to be back sooner rather than later......thanks

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    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      No idea. But I think mid December. Jota is getting to the point now though where he's just first choice regardless. He's a good pickup.

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      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers

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      2. zes
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah exactly this, I think he starts ahead of firmino anyway. Afcon is after that too so he’ll be nailed while Salah and Mane are away. Can’t see him leaving my team before late January at the earliest

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  21. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Is Trent or James more essential?

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    1. AzzaroMax99
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Trent

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    2. Art Vandelay
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I think that might be one of those "contradiction in terms"

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    3. DARE TO BISCAN
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      There aren't levels of essential. You either are, or aren't.

      TAA is priority. Looking to add James for big back 4

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  22. Art Vandelay
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Early, I know but..

    Mbeumo or Jota - 4 for next week.

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    1. AzzaroMax99
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Jota

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      1. Art Vandelay
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        That is what I m thinking. Gonna want him anyway and the sooner I get him the more time without Firmino.

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    2. pundit of punts
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Same dilemma

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      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        My only way to do jota is

        mbeumo and Antonio to jota and pukki - 4

        I'm not sure....

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  23. AzzaroMax99
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    I was on 21 pts (-4) from 6 players.
    Taa, Salah(C) & Jota - 39 pts.

    Nice!!

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  24. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Any reason not to Toney/Brownhill >> Jota/Davis tonight? 2FT and 0.9m..exact funds

    Ramsdale
    Taa Cancelo James -- Duffy Liv
    Salah Foden Raph Mbeumo -- Brownhill
    Antonio Kane Toney

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    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I'd wait. Consider dumping Antonio instead... That gives you funds to upgrade Duffy.

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      1. UnitednationsXI
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Prefer Antonio over Toney. Getting a stronger 4th/5th def messes up with structure

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  25. Scholes Out For Summer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    How did Antonio look tonight? Tempted to ship before City Brighton Chelsea

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    1. Bennerman
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I've never seen him looking so lovely. I've never seen him shine so bright.

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      1. Bennerman
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        No, hang on, that was someone else. Forget it

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  26. SouthCoastSaint
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    57 with raph son and Dias to go

    Likely average on here

    Did well with bench points though: Jimenez and semedo here for 15!

    Stinks that I kept semedo so long for him to finally deliver against West Ham…

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  27. pundit of punts
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Armstrong + Mbeumo ➡ Jota + Locadia for -4 sounds good? Gives me -

    Ramsdale
    TAA - Cancelo - James
    Salah - Son - Foden - Jota - ESR
    Vardy - Hwang

    Foster - Livramento - Locadia - Manquillo

    Leaves me enough in the bank to do Vardy ➡ Lukaku in gw 14.

    Thoughts? 🙂

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  28. Philosopher's Stones
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Is going beyond the 1m mark you say, freck this game and just have fun? Asking for a friend 😛

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  29. The Mighty Hippo
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Would you do Grealish + Vardy to Mane + Benteke?

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  30. Lucky Z
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Which one with 2 FTs?

    A. White + Ronaldo => TAA + Jesus
    B. White + Ronaldo + Gray => TAA + Dennis + Jota -4 (allows me to do Vardy => Kane)
    C. Rudiger + Ronaldo + Gray => TAA + Dennis + Son -4

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