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Dugout Discussion November 20

Liverpool v Arsenal team news: Tsimikas starts as Robertson misses out

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Seven down, one to go: the final Premier League match of the day sees Liverpool play host to Arsenal at a rain-soaked Anfield.

Kick-off on Merseyside is at 17:30 GMT.

The Reds scored three goals home and away against Arsenal last season and have found the net on 28 occasions in their last eight home league meetings with the Gunners.

Mohamed Salah personally has six goals and four assists in eight fixtures against Arsenal since joining Liverpool in 2017, averaging 8.13 points per match.

The Egyptian is part of an unchanged front three this evening, taking his place alongside Diogo Jota and Sadio Mane.

Jurgen Klopp has been forced into two alterations elsewhere, however, with captain Jordan Henderson only fit enough to make the bench and Andrew Robertson absent entirely.

Thiago Alcantara and Konstantinos Tsimikas come in to replace them.

Mikel Arteta’s only change from the 1-0 win over Watford in Gameweek 11 is a predictable one: Thomas Partey returns from a muscle injury at the expense of Ainsley Maitland-Niles.

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is also fit enough to feature despite some cryptic comments from his manager in Friday’s pre-match press conference.

GAMEWEEK 12 LINE-UPS

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Thiago, Fabinho, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Salah, Jota, Mane.

Subs: Kelleher, Konate, Beck, Bradley, Phillips, Morton, Henderson, Minamino, Gordon.

Arsenal XI: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tavares, Saka, Sambi Lokonga, Partey, Smith Rowe, Lacazette, Aubameyang.

Subs: Leno, Tierney, Cedric Soares, Holding, Elneny, Maitland-Niles, Pepe, Odegaard, Martinelli.

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  1. acidicleo
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Guys I have 2 questions....

    A) Best striker upto 6 m
    B) Best striker upto 7.2 m

    This is to fund a Jota move...

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    1. Stranger Mings
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      A) Armstrong or pukki
      B) benteke

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      1. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        I’m selling Armstrong
        Pukki it is!
        Though I’d throw ASM in there

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      2. acidicleo
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Toney to Pukki is a possibility then..

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    2. Scholes Out For Summer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Pukki Hwang or King

      ASM or Benteke

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    3. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Cheap forwards from teams that score a lot:

      Palace (Benteke > Edouard)

      Newcastle (Wilson > ASM > Joelinton)

      Cheap forwards from teams that score sligthy less:

      Norwich (Pukki)

      Southampton (A.Armstrong)

      Watford (King or Dennis)

      Wolves (Jimenez > Hwang)

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  2. Scholes Out For Summer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Did Klopp mention jota’s fitness after the game? He should be fine right?

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    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Said he took real knock and hoped was nothing serious

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    2. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      It hurt me just watching

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  3. Philosopher's Stones
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Just a hypothetical question: what is the cut off rank at which you'll stop giving a "damn" about the game?

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Last

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    2. Scholes Out For Summer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      6M

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    3. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      2nd

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    4. Bennerman
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Personally, will always try to fight the good fight, and know that the luck factor is genuine and quite significant.

      If I send out a good XI each week, fair enough. If they play rubbish, so be it.

      So I will always play the same way, even if doing really bad (like now)

      Also, I put a limit on the damns I give.

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    5. el polako
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Its not about a rank but about a time.
      Usually you stop giving damn about the game straight after bad day for several days and then 48-24hrs before deadline you do care (and dream big) again 😉

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    6. Zimo
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      If the game starts negatively affecting my life. Which it did last year. I took a break. Now I'm back and I don't take it too seriously.

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      1. Bennerman
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Would certainly agree this should never affect you life/wellbeing.

        If football itself is just a game, then what is this silly game within a game?

        Just a bit of fun and interest on the side. That's my two-penn'orth anyway

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        1. Sgt Frank Drebin
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Agree

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        2. Zimo
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Indeed you are correct good sir!

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    7. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I play totally recklessly over 1m, anything inside that is still in it at this stage

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    8. Sgt Frank Drebin
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      No such rank imho you shouldn't look that much into rankings. Just try to make the best decision possible week in and week out given the state of your team, looking too much at rank can really result in emotional decision-making (when you're doing bad and you're angry or when you're doing well and afraid to drop in ranks).

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    9. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I'm playing regardless of rank

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      1. Bennerman
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        I'd stand behind this, for sure.

        As if we're all actually trying to realistically race each other and really care about it, all eight million of us

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  4. Scholes Out For Summer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Who would you use to downgrade here to bring in Jota and Cancelo?

    A) Toney —> King
    B) Antonio —> ASM
    C) Mbeumo —> 4.5M (play 433 most games)

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I don’t hate B but A with Dennis would likely be my pick

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      1. Scholes Out For Summer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Why Dennis over King? Just curious, is it purely the money?

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        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Eye for goal, King always gets hurt eventually. I think Dennis is highly underrated. Fox in the box

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          1. Scholes Out For Summer
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            Ah true, I was swayed towards King because of pens, but that 0.4m difference can let me wait until UCL to pull the trigger on the moves…

            Ranieri is playing his 442 with king and Dennis up top I’m assuming?

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            1. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              2 years, 5 months ago

              Yeah, Sarr took pens today (although failed twice). King had the better chances, Dennis played highest up pitch

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    2. acidicleo
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      norwich has better fixtures than watford.

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      1. Scholes Out For Summer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Dont love the Norwich team. /i think Watford has better quality players

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  5. The Suspended One
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    2 FT, exact money for C
    Have Toney/Mbuemo
    Bench: Gilmour Omo Livra

    A) Gilmour to Gallagher
    B) Gilmour to ESR
    C) Gilmour/Mbuemo for both

    I don’t love Gallagher when Mili is taking all the dead balls. ESR was pants today, but NEW next and he plays well at home. I like the idea of benching Antonio during the tough fixtures, C let’s me do that or rotate Toney.

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    1. Scholes Out For Summer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      B I’d say. I dont love Gallagher with Mili in the team

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      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        30% ownership scares me, although there is certainly a pattern to his hauls

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        1. Scholes Out For Summer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah i did Gallagher to Foden two weeks ago and really regretting it, but looking back I’d do that move still. All of his returns are with Mili out of the team

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  6. C'mon the Fylde
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Is Mbeumo the priority transfer in my team?

    Ramsdale
    Cancelo TAA Chilwell Livramento James
    Mbeumo Son Raphinha Salah
    Wilson

    Foster ESR Toney Davis

    3.6m itb

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I’d roll that unless Foden looks good and makes it though CL.

      Toney may be the better sell, but the double up wasn’t a good idea in hindsight

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      1. C'mon the Fylde
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks

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  7. Sgt Frank Drebin
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    One of the biggest regrets of the season: not getting Gallagher early in the season. Such a talented footballer. Sometimes I wish I followed my intuition more instead of relying on the various models, but I guess in the latter case I will be right more often even if I sometimes miss some great opportunity.

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Literally nobody could have seen this emergence coming

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      1. Sgt Frank Drebin
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        How come? He was really standing out in the first couple games of the season. The way he behaved in the penalty area was exceptional, it was pretty obvious then that he is a top talent. I was mainly discouraged by his previous season at West Brom, but wrongfully so.

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        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          1 game time
          2 his big games have been largely tied to Mili sitting and him scooping corners and fks

          Just saying that we had to see it first to believe

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    2. Scholes Out For Summer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I got Gallagher for 4 GWs, he blanked, sold before City game, guy starts to explode with Mili out the team. I think with McArthur out of the team Gallagher wont do amazing as Mili will be guaranteed to start

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      1. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Interesting observations re: Mili/McArthur

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      2. Sgt Frank Drebin
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        I don't think he's benchable at this point, he's one of their best players, if not the best. But I'm no Vieira either, so can't say what he'll decide.

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    3. Qaiss
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I sold Gallagher in GW8... did bring ESR in for him though.

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    4. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Huge run of blanks in there. You can't say you felt the same way at GW9.

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    5. European Bob
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Wouldn't lose sleep over it, I'm sure we've all made worse decisions this season. Mine would be picking Dias over Cancelo, something I still haven't corrected

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  8. Dammit_182
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    TAA is just the best. That is all.

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Essential

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    2. acidicleo
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      one of the best i wud say.

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      1. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Best because he is absolutely nailed. Can't say the same for any of the City or Chelsea boys.

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    3. demob
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Salah and trent should come pre loaded

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  9. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Currently 5.9
    Is there a possibility Gallagher goes upto 6.2m before the next deadline?

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    1. el polako
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Nah

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    2. acidicleo
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      6.1 i think.

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  10. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    A Armstrong owners keeping or selling ? Thanks

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  11. el polako
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Key takeaway after today is - never bench Chelsea defender.

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Or sell*

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      1. The Suspended One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Actually selling Rudi is a lot better (for my mental health) than having him rooted to the bench.

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    2. Qaiss
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Would you bench Toney this week over Chilwell? I also own James.

      Currently benching Toney but I find it difficult benching penalty takers who play up front unless they’re away to a top side.

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      1. el polako
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah but Chilwell got plum fixture against new whipping boys.

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        1. el polako
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          I benched Rudiger today because expected Leicester to nick one at home.
          Not benching him ever again.

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          1. The Suspended One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            It was a very fluke chance. Just sold him and won’t look back in anger

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            1. The Suspended One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              2 years, 5 months ago

              Tuchel actually deserves credit for the goal, nice training ground move against zone defending

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          2. Goodfeathers
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            Same here. Lesson learned.

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      2. Gross Blank Point
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        I benched Toney and played Rudiger. Last while Rudi has looked real dangerous with his runs through the middle, he's nailed on, and he's great on the end of a set piece.
        Will keep Toney as a bench option or the odd start.

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        1. Qaiss
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah, idk why I even thought of this tbh. I benched Cancelo against United, which was a bad decision. Especially if Ole is there, have to play Chilwell.

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  12. Atimis
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    ESR or Gallagher?

    Recon fixtures are more or less similar, ESR overperforming but playing higher?

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    1. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Prefer ESR

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  13. Babit1967
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Azpi & Mbeumo to James & Gallagher for free is probably a no brainier right?

    Have 2 Brentford so one of them has to go

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    1. el polako
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Do it.

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    2. Il Capitano
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      yup

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    3. Goodfeathers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Good moves

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    4. Sgt Frank Drebin
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I think Azpi to James is sufficient for now, but Mbeumo is a bit of a worry lately

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    5. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Yes from me

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  14. Bury94
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    James over Chilwell yeah? Finally in a position where I can bring one of them in

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    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I'd say so yes

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Yep, MUN conceded 3x as many on their left vs right in the last 4…

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      1. Sun Jihai
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        *chances

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    3. DB_00
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Yh

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    4. CrouchDown
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Coin toss

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  15. DB_00
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Thinking of selling Livramento and playing a permanent back 5. Considering Chilwell/Reguilon

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Lost me at Livra

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      1. DB_00
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        I’m not playing him in most of his next games so I’ll bank the value and move on I think

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      2. Paqueta Rice
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        I’m thinking similar to be fair

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        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Season keeper for me

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    2. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Not keen on back 5 at all

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      1. DB_00
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Think this season is unique as the defenders are killing it this year

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    3. European Bob
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah it's a decent shout. Defence definitely has the most value.

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    4. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      TAA, James, Chilwell, Cancelo and ???

      I’m not sold on Spurs because why would we trust them. (Maybe they end up ok)
      Dias? Rudiger?

      I like a 4.5 to rotate with attackers with bad fixtures and as decent bench cover.
      5 strong seems overkill to me.

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  16. FCSB
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Ramsdale
    TAA Cancelo James Chilwell
    Salah Son Foden Raphinha Gallagher
    Jimenez

    Foster Antonio Livramento Davis

    0FT, 0itb

    Did the early move Mbeumo >> Gallagher to avoid being priced out, feels good. Now for the benching headache all week 😉

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  17. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Probably best to wait on any Jota move

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/diogo-jota-liverpool-injury-klopp-22228165

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    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Cheers

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    2. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      It’s a contusion, bench for CL please

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  18. g40steve
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Worth a hit ?

    Teirney > Trent
    Auba > Jimmy/ASM/Tekkers/Pukki

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  19. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Best havertz replacement?

    A raphinha
    B cornet
    C Gallagher

    I'm on a budget 🙂

    Thanks

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    1. Jässi
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      C

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers

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    2. Goodfeathers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      C

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers

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    3. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Gallagher

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      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks

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    4. Botman and Robben
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      C

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    5. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Well gallagher it is then thanks all and GL!

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    6. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Already have ESR?

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  20. Jässi
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    A) Antonio to Jimenez
    B) Azpi to Chilwell
    C) Both for -4

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    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      B

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    2. Botman and Robben
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      B

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    3. Goodfeathers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      B

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  21. Sgt Frank Drebin
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Isn't King flying under the radar? Historically on 0.5 xG + xA, this season even better, because at almost 0.8 xG+xA (although I think he'll regress a bit), but most importantly he's only 5.6m. Seriously considering bringing him in soon.

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    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Fixtures awful though

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      1. Sgt Frank Drebin
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Only the next 3 though

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  22. Botman and Robben
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    1FT. Roll FT?

    Guaita
    TAA Cancelo James
    Salah Son Foden Gallagher Jota
    Antonio Wilson

    Carson White Livramento Davis

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    1. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah I would

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    2. Il Capitano
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Roll

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  23. Henning
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Thinking of one of those combos to afford
    TAA .
    1. Foden and a 7.3m attacker
    2. Hojbjerg and Vardy

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    1. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      1

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  24. HD7
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Save a trasfer if there are no injuries?

    Ramsdale
    Trent Rudi Chilwell James
    Salah Raph Saka Cornet
    Kane Vardy

    Steele Livra Sissoko Scarlett

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  25. FantasyClub
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Guys is Dennis the best fodder playing striker up to 5.2m?
    Would it not be smarter to have a playing fodder over this festive period instead of a non-playing?

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      I love him

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      1. FantasyClub
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        He’s pretty good isn’t he. I’ve had my eye on him since GW2 to be honest but had other fires to put out. But now I need some funds.

        What you think about this or no?

        Toney ➡️ Dennis
        Antonio ➡️Dennis

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        1. The Suspended One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 5 months ago

          Considering myself but depends on the next move

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          1. FantasyClub
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            The move is to clear funds for Duffy/Livramento ➡️ Chilwell

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          2. FantasyClub
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 5 months ago

            Already have James, TAA & Cancelo

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  26. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Tierney and Haverts to James and Gallagher?

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  27. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Hi....what move would you look to make here please? 1ft. 0 cash. Best to save ft perhaps? Open to suggestions....Thanks

    Ramsdale
    Taa James cancelo dias (livra)
    Salah foden raphinha mbeumo (normann)
    Kane King (antonio)

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    1. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      save

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      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks

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  28. Drogba Legend
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Hanging around 10-20k OR. TAA is my next move

    Dias or Rudiger > TAA

    Have James and Cancelo as well

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    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Nice rank for no TAA

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    2. Botman and Robben
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      Dias

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  29. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Hey guys.

    Which looks the better plan?
    A)Get Gallagher for sarr using FT in gw14
    OR
    B)Get James and 4.4/4.5 for sarr livramento in gw14(-4)
    OR
    C)James and 4.5 for sarr livramento for Free.

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    1. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 5 months ago

      We’re not even up to gw13 and you’re planning hits for gw14?!

      James would be first priority for me.
      Then Gallagher - but not for a hit.

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  30. _Ninja_
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 5 months ago

    Which do you prefer?

    A. Mbeumo to Jota/Foden 352
    B. Marcal to James 442

    Sanchez
    TAA Chilwell Cancelo
    Salah Raphinha ESR Gallagher Mbeumo
    Kane Antonio

    Steele Dennis Livra Marcal

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