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Everton v Arsenal team news: Lacazette in for Aubameyang, Smith Rowe absent

Everton take on Arsenal in the final Premier League match of Gameweek 15, with Fantasy interest mostly centred around the visitor’s backline.

Kick-off is at 20:00 GMT.

The Toffees, who are winless in their last eight Premier League matches, make two changes to their starting XI, with Yerry Mina (£4.9m) and Anthony Gordon (£4.5m) replacing Lucas Digne (£5.1m) – who is not among the substitutes – and Salomon Rondon (£6.0m).

As a result, Ben Godfrey (£4.8m) is expected to fill in at left-back in Rafa Benitez’s 4-2-3-1 formation.

For Arsenal, Emile Smith Rowe (£6.1m) misses out completely, with Mikel Arteta revealing over the weekend that the England international is dealing with a minor injury, and that it was a factor in his substitution in the 3-2 defeat to Manchester United last Thursday.

Bukayo Saka (£6.2m) starts in his place, with Kieran Tierney (£4.7m), Granit Xhaka (£4.8m) and Alexandre Lacazette (£8.3m) also coming in for Nuno Tavares (£4.3m), Mohamed Elneny (£4.4m) and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (£9.7m), all of whom drop to the bench.

GAMEWEEK 15 LINE-UPS

Everton XI: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Mina, Godfrey, Allan, Doucoure, Townsend, Gray, Gordon, Richarlison

Subs: Begovic, Kenny, Holgate, Delph, Iwobi, Tosun, Gomes, Gbamin, Branthwaite

Arsenal XI: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tierney, Partey, Xhaka, Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli, Lacazette

Subs: Okonkwo, Holding, Cedric, Tavares, Lokonga, Elneny, Pepe, Nketiah, Aubameyang

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  1. TorresMagic™
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    • 14 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Early thoughts on this lot?

    Ramsdale (Foster)
    James TAA Cancelo Alonso* Livra
    Salah Son* Foden Jota ESR*
    Antonio Toney* Davis*

    2 FTs 0.5 in bank

    a) Toney + Davis > King + Dennis
    b) Toney + ESR >Broja + B.Silva
    c) Toney + ESR > Watford fwd + Bowen
    d) Toney + Son > Ronaldo + Fred (up to 5m)
    e) Toney + Son + Alonso > Ronaldo + Bowen + 4.2 def (-4)
    f) something else

    Cheers in advance

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      c

      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Sell Son instead?

        1. Bobby Digital
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Would Fred be a sub in d)?

          1. TorresMagic™
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            • 14 Years
            2 years, 4 months ago

            He's hard to ignore atm but guess I could put up with the bench points.

        2. fish&chips
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          I've taken a risk and done C (but mbuemo out) as I was going to be priced out and i also have son. Son is looking sharp and his fixtures aren't bad. Worth holding IMO.

          1. TorresMagic™
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            • 14 Years
            2 years, 4 months ago

            Not if Covid is a thing for him.
            It's a mess yet again.

            1. fish&chips
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              2 years, 4 months ago

              Just saw. Whoops... looks like I might be relying in Jimenez off the bench then

    2. More Cowbell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Can you do Toney, ESR >. Watford fwd + Bilva?

      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Good old 0.1 short.

    3. SoulShakinTex
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Toney+ESR > Dennis+BSilva just out of reach? I think I’d still go C.

      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        That's the template move but a downgrade elsewhere could get me Bilva.

        1. SoulShakinTex
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Son might solve that for you now…

          1. TorresMagic™
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            • 14 Years
            2 years, 4 months ago

            Yeah, might just get a Watford forward for now & get Toney out of my team before he passes it onto others there.

    4. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Cheers all.

      1. Sergeant Slaughter
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        B

  2. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    If the spurs rumours are to be true,will the game get postponed?
    Didn’t arsenal have a similar problem vs Brentford at the start of the season?

    1. pablo discobar
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Posted on last page

      Premier League rules state that matches should go ahead if a club has 14 available players, including a goalkeeper.

      Before the 2020-21 season began, it was outlined to clubs that Under 23s who had played first-team games should be included as part of the 14 in a bid to avoid postponing matches.

      1. pablo discobar
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        But premier league can make it up as they go along. It potentially means next 2 spurs games go

      2. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        If they postpone the game, they surely have to postpone the leic spurs game too

      3. Riverside Red
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Glad they've clarified the rules...24 years too late for Boro, Juninho, Ravanelli , etc.

    2. Amartey Partey
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I'd say if true there is a very good chance it would get postponed. 6 Spurs players out is a lot and they might be worried it could spread further.

      1. pablo discobar
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        If it's this new varient could mean mass postponements- you can bet spurs won't be the only club

    3. More Cowbell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Have any credible sources mentioned this outbreak yet?

      1. Kryptonite666
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Alasdair Gold is Tier 1 for Spurs. https://twitter.com/AlasdairGold

        There is def an outbreak. Explains Emerson and Gil being out of the squad last week.

        1. More Cowbell
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Thanks.

    4. Lord of Ings
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Seems pretty serious
      Game should be postponed IMO..
      but wasn’t arsenal in a similar situation vs Brentford in gameweek 1?

  3. TorresMagic™
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    • 14 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    LMS safety score looks like being 40

    https://www.livefpl.net/LMS

    Just over 1200 survivors after 135 fell over.

    Will reopen entry tomorrow for those who pass/match the 15 safety scores.

    1. Lord of Ings
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Can anyone enter LMS?
      If they’ve a score above 40?

      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        40 or above covers this GW.
        Still need to cover the previous 14.

        https://torresmagic.webs.com/lmsupdate.htm

    2. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      ah dang - out with 37.
      not quite the deep run to the last weeks of last season.

      what a bummer.

      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Sorry mate, maybe next season.
        Kane owners without Bilva, the bulk of the cull when Son did the job.

      2. Dammit_182
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Just checked and I would have been out GW1. No Bruno and captained mane. I got 65 which was about 40 - 50 points down on a lot of players. Nothing like ‘going against the crowd’

        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          Dammit.

          1. Dammit_182
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 4 months ago

            Haha. There is always next year…

    3. Danno - Emre Canada
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Finally I’m through without sweating. This week might be a different game mind

  4. RAMZES666
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Did Gallagher to Bowen this week. Sa not ideal but will ship him out after 2 weeks.

    Sa
    TAA Cancelo James Rudiger
    Salah Jota Foden Bowen
    Vardy King

    Foster Watkins Livra McArthur

    1. Big_Andy_GAWA
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Looks decent!!

  5. The Train Driver
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Have the exact funds ESR > Bowen.

    Do it?

    1. Lilac Breasted Roller
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I'd keep ESR. We'll hear more pre-presser

    2. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Thinking the same transfer. Will do it pending news on ESR

  6. More Cowbell
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Are there any other Man U assets worth a shout or just ronaldo at this point?

    1. pablo discobar
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Dalot is 4.4

    2. SouthCoastSaint
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Think Rashford and Fred could turn some heads

      1. Big_Andy_GAWA
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        DDG is the only one I'd have genuine interest in getting at this time, although there's be the worry that Henderson might get a game during the festive run of games...

    3. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      One of the fullbacks maybe, let's see who plays in Europe

    4. Boberella
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Dalot looked great value for 4.4. Will see if he looks like getting regular games

      1. More Cowbell
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Indeed, deffo a watchlist candidate

  7. Big_Andy_GAWA
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    FPL site banjaxxed...!? 😮

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Something has gone horribly wrong with it, my squad looks terrible and my OR is appaling.

      1. Dammit_182
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Haha. It’s happened to me too!!

  8. Babit1967
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone got a problem with this wildcard draft?

    De gea 4.0
    Taa Cancelo James Tierney Livramento
    Salah Foden Mount Jota Gray
    Watkins King Antonio

    1. Big_Andy_GAWA
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      You still have your Wildcard!? 😮

    2. AD105
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Not sure about De Gea or Tierney, would be very tempted by Ronaldo if you can find a way - rest is solid

    3. XX SMICER XX
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      That team will cause some benching headaches!

    4. MikeS
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Ditch Tierney for dier or regi (covid pending)

  9. Sheffield Wednesday
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Looking at best free move for up to the early January fixtures:
    a) Allan > Bowen
    b) Smith-Rowe > Bernardo
    c) Vardy > Ronaldo
    d) ?

    Sánchez (Steele)
    James TAA Rüdiger Cancelo (Johnson*)
    Salah Jota Gallagher Smith-Rowe* (Allan)
    Vardy Antonio Dennis
    1FT £2.5M

    1. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

    2. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Alternative is Smith-Rowe Vardy > Bowen Ronaldo -4

    3. XX SMICER XX
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I would wait for further news on ESR injury before ditching him.

      1. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Even without the injury I figure Bernardo and Bowen have better fixtures and form. But Spurs Covid may mean I need to replace a Brighton keeper depending on postponement news.

  10. Amartey Partey
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Rumored that Son, Davies, Gil, Emerson, Moura, Romero are the 6 players that have covid. Who knows.

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Must have been the goal celebrations from last week seeing Kane is ok.

      1. Boberella
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        🙂

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Unlucky for Gil's owner

      1. Amartey Partey
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah. I was just about to buy him too!

    3. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Last time Son tested positive I sold him for a hit then he scored that weekend.

      I'd be waiting for fully officially announcements about anything this time around.

      1. Fulchester's New Centr…
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Yes, hasn't Sonny supposedly tested positive more than once when it was nothing.

    4. MikeS
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Game should go ahead then with that lot positive

    5. Dammit_182
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      The players were positive on lat flows and will all have PCR’s tomorrow….hopefully Silva and Ronaldo’s prices behave tonight!

  11. bruuuno
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    A. Kane Raphinha > Ronaldo Bowen
    B. Kane Raphinha Toney > Ronaldo Antonio Odegaard. (-4 but better bench cover)

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Odegaard?

    2. Fish up a tree
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

      Don’t get Ode as it will only end in tears

    3. AD105
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

  12. AD105
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Not planning to pull the trigger until later in the week, but do you reckon this is worth a -4?

    Raph & Toney > Bernardo & Dennis/King

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      If you think Raph slows down, easily.

    2. SoulShakinTex
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Yes. Pulled the plug on Raph two weeks early, and got me Jota. Have left me a tad unflexible now though, see below.

  13. SoulShakinTex
    • 2 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Will obviously wait for Spurs update now, but:

    Sanchez/Steele
    TAA/James/Cancelo/Reg*/Livra*
    Salah/Jota/Saka*/Gallagher*/Gilmour*
    Vardy*/Watkins/Antonio*

    2FT, 0,2 itb. Where to free up funds to upgrade midfield to Bowen/Bernardo/Mount? Would ideally like to keep Vardy one more week and not burn FT.

    Any ideas? Cheers!

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I read your post but Vardy not worth keeping as his sale is needed to get in your other targets.
      Vardy and Gilmour to Dennis/Broja and Bilva work?

      1. SoulShakinTex
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Cheers. That was initial plan, but hard to sell Vardy before Newcastle game. Would leave me 2,2 to upgrade Saka and Gallagher later on, though.

    2. AD105
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Saka goes for me

      1. SoulShakinTex
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Cheers. Could swap him for Bowen if I did it before any price rise.

        1. AD105
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          I’d be tempted to do that and hold the other transfer til later in the week

          1. SoulShakinTex
            • 2 Years
            2 years, 4 months ago

            Looks like Bernardo is the one rising tonight, though…

  14. bruuuno
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    A. Kane Raphinha > Ronaldo Bowen
    B. Kane Raphinha Toney > Ronaldo Bernardo King (-4)

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Much better. B.

  15. The Mandalorian
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    We know await Norwich Covid results and the potential impact on their United game.

    Ronaldo transfer on hold.

    1. The Mandalorian
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      *now

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      There is an outbreak at Norwich too now?

      1. Zimo
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        No it's cuz they played Norwich last.

      2. The Mandalorian
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Spurs could have infected the Norwich players.

  16. FDMS All Starz
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Not sure how to use my FTs, help

    (2FTs & 0itb)
    Sanchez
    TAA - Cancelo - James - Alonso
    Salah - Son - Jota - Foden
    Antonio - Toney

    ((Foster - ESR - Manquillo - Davis))

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Alonso and Davis to Davies/Dalot and Dennis?

    2. AD105
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Toney goes for sure, maybe to a Watford forward, then up to you whether you hold ESR and your free transfer or go for a Bernardo/Mount/Bowen, though you already have Foden and Antonio tbf

  17. RobinKerr1987
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Looking to trade Toney out, and toying with ditching Gallagher too. Which is the better pairing to bring into my team with my 2FTs?

    A. King and B.Silva (0.8m remaining)
    B. Watkins and Bowen (0.1m remaining)

    Team currently is as follows:

    Mendy (Begovic)
    Cancelo, TAA, Alonso (Livra, Johnson)
    Salah, Son, Jota, ESR (Gallagher*)
    Antonio, Dennis (Toney*)

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      A

    2. TLF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      B

  18. MikeS
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    If spurs game is off what are people who own Sanchez and Steele doing? I might take a -4 for ddg

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Maupay owners will be devasted.

    2. More Cowbell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Ffs hadn’t even tho gut about that!

      1. MikeS
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Hopefully it will go ahead, but if not I think a -4 might be worth it for ddg maybe

    3. Sheffield Wednesday
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Dunno, same problem

  19. Bobby Digital
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    So is Jota the next best thing after Son? Son covid puts a spanner in my WC plans.

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Firmino says no.

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I had suspected son covid last week, he got a day and half of school till negative PCR test so turned out ok

    3. Grande Tubarão
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      He’s the best thing regardless of Son. If both were 9m I know which I’d be rushing in

  20. More Cowbell
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    If Son was fit, would he be featuring in the europa game on Thurs?

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Not if I were the manager

    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Probably as on equal points.

    3. pablo discobar
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      They have to win to qualify

    4. Fish up a tree
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      They have to win it so yes

    5. Grande Tubarão
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Yes, they have to win to go through - if they go through they could realistically win it given the level of competition and it would be the biggest achievement in the history of the club. Has to play

  21. Meme2011
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Got exact money for
    Son & Hwang to Bowen & Ronaldo
    Should I do it tonight??

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Only Monday... could always go Fred and ANtonio instead

  22. Hits from the Bong
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    What, son has COVID ?

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Rumoured to be one of half a dozen at Spurs

    2. MikeS
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Check the news.. 6 spurs players do

  23. The Frenchie
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Keep Cornet or Smith-Rowe to get Bernardo? Both are indicate 75% chance of playing.. I need to decide tonight as Bernardo price is rising.

    Thanks

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Do you own Son?

      1. The Frenchie
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        No

        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          2 years, 4 months ago

          I own ESR(new owner) and may just sell seeing it's a groin injury. Great game vs S'ton to go though.

  24. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Priced out of Kane to Ronaldo if Ronaldo goes up in price tonight - would you get move done or wait and take -4 later in week?

    1. Fish up a tree
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      I would do it but there’s always the risk with players playing midweek although Ronaldo will probably be rested

  25. MidTableFantasy
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone know what's going on with ESR? Injury?

    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Groin injury.

    2. MikeS
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 4 months ago

      Groin strain

      1. MikeS
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 4 months ago

        Well "tight groin" could be back imminently or could be longer.. don't know at this point

  26. AdamJ91
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Maybe being slightly knee jerk here & having the exact funds is making it hard to ignore but thoughts on this?

    Ramsdale, Mbeumo, Son & Vardy > Bachmann, Foden, B.Silva & Ronaldo (-8)?

  27. New Post
  28. FantasyHero
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Worth doing kane to ronaldo for a hit?

  29. FantasyHero
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Bernardo or mount?

    Is mount nailed? Missed majority of the season.

  30. Pepeye
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 4 months ago

    Bilva, Rodri & Cancelo now guaranteed for Wolves game. Not travelling to Leipzig