Scout Notes

Scout Notes – Pre-Season Part One

Liverpool win again as Jurgen Klopp throws Fantasy managers a curveball or two, while Southampton bounce back from a chastening midweek loss in fine style.

Swansea City also save their summer best until last, and Stoke City come from behind to win in Germany, but crowd trouble ends Burnley’s pre-season prematurely.

Here’s the first set of notes from the final pre-season Saturday.

Liverpool 3 Athletic Club 1

Liverpool’s impressive summer ended with another win on the pitch which created all manner of Fantasy confusion off it.

Goals from Roberto Firmino, Ben Woodburn and Dominic Solanke sealed the victory, with the latter pair also providing assists.

But the nature of the first strike was where all the Fantasy trouble began.

Firmino was felled in the area, picked himself up and slotted home the penalty. He’d done the same in the previous match against Atletico Madrid, which raised few eyebrows because regular penalty taker James Milner wasn’t on the pitch.

But Milner was most definitely playing when the Brazilian opened the scoring against Bilbao.

The possibility that Milner may have relinquished spot-kick duites has almighty Fantasy repercussions.

Firmino, available for 8.5 in Fantasy Premier League and a rather more chunky 11.6m in the Sky game, has been a popular pick for first-day sides.

His pre-season had been a low-key affair involving no goals and three assists before he opened his scoring account from the spot in Wednesday’s Atletico match.

Should he become Liverpool’s first-choice penalty taker, his stock will surely rise further from an already solid base of 16.9% FPL ownership.

Milner scored seven penalties out of seven last season, and his reclassifiction from a midfielder for this campaign had him among the early front runners for most-owned FPL defender, despite a hefty 6.5 (9m in Sky) price tag.

But the surprising revival of Alberto Moreno’s Anfield career – he has started and shone in the least two matches – and the arrival of Andrew Robertson from Hull City has created major competition for the left-back slot.

Losing penalty duties would be a disastrous blow to Milner’s Fantasy appeal, as reflected in his now shrug-inducing 5.3% FPL ownership.

And yet Milner started in midfield yesterday, with Jurgen Klopp having this to say post-match:

“Alberto Moreno is 100 percent back, which is very nice after a really difficult year. Andrew Robertson shows all the skills he has, of course he still has to adapt to our way of playing but you can already see what a threat he can be offensively. That means Milly is free for midfield, so without being in the transfer market we have a new midfield player, which is nice.”

Nice indeed. Should FPL defender Milner end up playing out of position this season, it would be a supreme irony given his stellar performances from left-back last year didn’t yield the FPL points they probably deserved because of his previous midfield classification.

But competition for Liverpool midfield places is, of course, very fierce.

Milner will presumably vie for one of the roles in Klopp’s central three playing behind the trio of attackers. He will therefore battle with Emre Can, Jordan Henderson, Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum for a starting role.

Lallana’s injury and the absence of Henderson and Coutinho – through illness and a back problem respectively – cleared the decks for Milner, but it remains to be seen if he can cement a start once competition ramps up, or if Klopp simply reverts his vice captain to left-back to protect his start.

But being taken off penalties – if that’s truly the case – remains a major loss for Milner, not entirely offset by out-of-position promise.

However, Milner himself was quizzed on the spot-kick scenario post-match and when asked if the switch of duties to Firmino had been pre-arranged, he came back with this….

“Not really. He won it and had scored a couple in midweek. I asked him if he was feeling confident and he said yes. We all practise them and I am very confident when he steps up. As long as the ball ends up in the back of the net, that’s the most important thing.”

That would indicate that there has been no “official” re-allocation of Liverpool’s penalties and Milner may well continue to have a say – a thickening plot that leaves us guessing heading into the Gameweek 1 trip to Watford.

Klopp fielded an almost entirely different team for the second-half on Saturday and, as well as Coutinho and Henderson, he was without Daniel Sturridge with a muscle problem picked up against Atletico.

Elsewhere, while Liverpool’s left-back role looks up for grabs for the opening day trip to Watford, Trent Alexander-Arnold, a 4.5 FPL bargain (6.8m in Sky), started on the right against Bilbao and looks the prime candidate to do so again at Vicarage Road. Nathaniel Clyne is almost certain to miss out with a muscle problem.

Liverpool XI: Mignolet; Alexander-Arnold (Flanagan 46), Matip (Gomez 46), Lovren (Klavan 46), Moreno (Robertson 46); Can (Wijnaldum 46), Milner (Ejaria 46), Grujic (Woodburn 46); Salah (Mane 46), Firmino (Kent 46), Origi (Solanke 46).

Southampton 2 Sevilla 0

From the ridiculous to the sublime…after crashing and burning in a 4-0 home loss to FC Augsburg on Wednesday, Southampton bounced back to humble rather more prestigious opponents yesterday.

The Augsburg debacle had some Fantasy managers running for the hills and dumping their Saints assets, although the double-figure FPL ownership on Cedric held relatively firm as their man had taken no part in the beating.

The Portuguese right-back finally returned for the Sevilla match, part of a strong line-up selected by Mauricio Pellegrino that also included Ryan Bertrand, James Ward-Prowse, Dušan Tadić, Nathan Redmond and Manolo Gabbiadini – all of them serious contenders to be in opening-day Fantasy squads in view of Southampton’s fantastic early schedule.

And by ‘early’, that actually means only Manchester United and Liverpool are truly taxing fixtures in the first 12 Gameweeks.

Confidence in both the squad and Fantasy managers’ minds will have been restored by the Sevilla win, with goals coming from defender Jack Stephens and Manolo Gabbiadini.

The much-maligned Italian striker, last season’s run-in troll, played as a lone striker in Pellegrino’s preferred 4-2-3-1 formation and also set up the opener when he flicked on a Ward-Prowse corner. Steven Davis provided the other assist.

Gabbiadini started ahead of Charlie Austin for the first time in pre-season and, at 7.0 in FPL (10.3m in Sky), could be a major mid-priced asset if he can take advantage of those inviting early fixtures.

In fact, the same could be said for the majority of the Saints line-up, with defenders Stephens, Cedric and Maya Yoshida all available for 5.0 in FPL and the set-piece taking midfielder Ward-Prowse costing just 5.5.

Southampton have lacked consistency over the summer – perhaps not surprising as Pellegrino is new to both the job and the country – but their final flourish of pre-season puts their players right back in the Fantasy mix ahead of next Saturday’s visit by Swansea City.

Southampton XI: Forster; Cedric (Flannigan 63), Yoshida (Bednarek 63), Stephens, Bertrand (McQueen 83); Davis, Romeu; Ward-Prowse (Long 73), Tadic, Redmond (Boufal 67); Gabbiadini (Gallagher 83).

Swansea City 4 Sampdoria 0

Southampton’s opening-day opponents signed off for the summer with an impressive mauling of their Serie A visitors.

Leroy Fer opened the scoring when he headed home from a Tom Carroll corner, before an own goal and strikes from Tammy Abraham and Federico Fernandez completed the rout.

Abraham’s goal marked a fine home debut for the Chelsea loanee and would have delighted the 3.6% of FPL managers who are looking to him to be their budget third striker for the early season. Even his withdrawal with a knock won’t have dampened that enthusiasm as his substitution was precautionary.

But it was Carroll who shone the brightest as he set up no less than three of the Swans’ goals.

The former Spurs man is this season’s potential bargain midfield gem, available for just 4.5 in FPL and 7.1m in Sky.

He looks a nailed-on starter in a midfield in which he is exerting a major influence. Add in his dead-ball duties, and there’s a lot to love.

Swansea’s first 10 matches are also generally favourable, with trips to Spurs and Arsenal and a visit from Man United the only major obstacles.

They have been quietly going about their business since an early pre-season loss to Barnet. However, the only two players who have attracted major attention have been Gylfi Sigurdsson (8.4%) – because of who he is and where he’s likely to end up – and Angel Rangel (21.3%) because he’s just so damned cheap at 4.0 (5.8m in Sky).

Abraham and Carroll, however, might change all that by the time they line up at Southampton next weekend.

On Abraham’s knock – manager Paul Clement brought us this post-match….

“Tammy coming off was more a precaution than anything. He felt a bit tight in the groin so rather than risk it, he said he wanted to come off.”

The Swans boss also indicated the striker Fernando Llorente – while ruled out of the Southampton clash – could return for the first home match of the season against Manchester United.

“We want Fernando back as quickly as possible – I am looking forward to having options with Fernando, Tammy, Jordan Ayew and also Oli McBurnie. Luciano Narsingh also came on and did well today. That’s what I want. I would like to have Fernando back for Manchester United, but he will be touch and go.”

Swansea City XI: Fabianski; Naughton (Rangel 88), Fernandez, Mawson, Olsson (Kingsley 77); Britton (Mesa 58), Fer (Fulton 88), Carroll, Routledge; Ayew (McBurnie 85), Abraham (Narsingh 74).

RB Leipzig 1 Stoke City 2

Xherdan Shaqiri was at the heart of Stoke City’s come-from-behind victory at Champions League-bound Leipzig.

The Swiss international’s deliveries set up both Stoke goals – a Mame Diouf header and an own goal.

Mark Hughes again rolled out a 3-4-2-1 formation, with Saido Berahino leading the line and Bojan and Shaqiri working as an attacking pair behind him.

That midfield pair could yet tempt some mid-price interest should they cement starting roles in that set-up. Bojan did depart with an injury, however.

Meanwhile, Diouf was once more employed as a wing-back, at the expense of Glen Johnson, which completely crushes the striker’s already negligible Fantasy appeal while also denting Johnson’s prospects.

However, Geoff Cameron’s potential as a 4.5 defender is alive and well. He started as part of the back three, with fellow defender Erik Pieters (5.0) deployed at left wing-back.

Despite Cameron’s availability in this price bracket, and the promise shown by Bojan and Shaqiri, Stoke’s horrendous early schedule of Everton, Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea in the first six Gameweeks, kills off any initial interest.

Elsewhere, in-form striker Joselu, who had scored four goals in the previous two matches, was an unused sub amid speculation that Newcastle United are showing firm interest in him.

Stoke City XI: Butland; Zouma, Shawcross, Cameron; Diouf (Johnson, 80), Allen, Fletcher, Pieters; Bojan (Ramadan, 63), Shaqiri (Adam, 80); Berahino (Crouch, 73).

Burnley 1 Hannover 96 0 (Match abandoned at half-time)

Crowd trouble in the away fans’ section led to the abandonment of Burnley’s final pre-season match of the summer with the Clarets leading 1-0.

Popular defender Ben Mee – owned by 12.1% of FPL managers – had opened the scoring from a Robbie Brady assist before the match was called off at the interval on the advice of the police.

Brady – a 5.5 midfield option – has now scored three goals and provided a pair of assists over the summer. He appears to have cemented a starting role in time for the season opener with Chelsea.

Elsewhere, Scott Arfield made his first start of pre-season following his Gold Cup duties with Canada, while Ashley Westwood also played from the off in a four-man midfield after recovering from a knock.

Boss Sean Dyche opted to field Andre Gray and Jonathan Walters up front, ahead of striking rivals Sam Vokes and Ashley Barnes, and James Tarkowski’s start alongside Mee at the heart of the defence would suggest that is the Burnley manager’s preferred centre-back combination.

Burnley XI: Heaton; Lowton, Mee, Tarkowski, Ward; Cork, Westwood, Brady, Arfield; Gray, Walters.

Be sure to check out all the summer action in our Pre-Season Guide.

2,200 Comments Post a Comment
  1. CloudSky
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Morning.

  2. Midlands Saint73
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Surely Charlie? 😉

    1. Mikeharbrw
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Dean Austin bandwagon

  3. Chandler Bing
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone going with absolutely no premium (Top 4) defenders?

    1. MJM
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      If Trippier is injured, then yes

      1. Chandler Bing
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Who are your defenders in that case?

        1. MJM
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Cedric, Daniels, Mee, Dummett and Probably PVA as Trippier's replacement

          1. Boydinho
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            So your most expensive defender isn't nailed on

  4. InvertedWinger
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Kane, Alli or both?

    1. Smoky Johnson
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Currently on Mané before Alli. So only Kane.

    2. Chandler Bing
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Only Kane right now

    3. CloudSky
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Only Kane for me for now.

    4. InvertedWinger
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Alli has never left a single of my drafts. Interesting, this

    5. CostaCoffee
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Eriksen

    6. DantheManinaPan
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      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Right now, only Alli - I'll likely be too scared to go without Kane

  5. ACM
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    If Sanchez stays... if he goes, there's room to add Lukaku. And Hernandez can become Gabbie/Austin/Rooney etc.

    Hart

    Luiz Trippier Ake Cedric

    Sanchez Hazard De Bruyne Eriksen Pogba

    Hernandez

    1. CloudSky
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thats a hard no from me. You do know that Haz is injured right?

    2. Top 210 Club
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      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Is this a joke?

    3. bojack
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      That might be the worst team I've seen.

    4. THFC4LIFE
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      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Try again

    5. @persecuted_by_mods
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Not template so wont be liked, Hazard is injured so you can replace with Mane or Alli? Nice to see someone try something a little different, could easily work

        1. ACM
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Wow. I'm aware Sanchez/Hazard situation. They're in to make sure I have the cash for them. Easily changed to cheaper players for first few GWs.

          If Sanchez stays in PL, you seriously telling me that midfield doesn't believe boss once Hazard is back?

      • CostaCoffee
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Not that bad, just people don't like it because it doesn't look like theirs, although Hazard and Trippier are injured (also don't like Hart pick )

      • Differential C (Mark)
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Can't Support this. If Hazard plays in Comm shield then....

    6. Where dahoud at
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Rmt please

      Foster

      Kompany, daniels, bertrand

      De bruyne, willian, salah, jwp

      Kane, lukaku, Gabbiadini

      Bench. Elliot, long, Hünemeier, carroll

      1. Top 210 Club
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        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        7.5

        1. Where dahoud at
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          What wud u change

    7. A.T
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks David, nice roundup

    8. anderson-son-son
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Please help, I'm struggling to commit either way. At the moment I don't have any Spurs coverage, but was going to remedy that one GWK3 with either my wildcard to get Kane, or Mane>Eriksen as a transfer. However, I could work Spurs coverage in if I go with B of the following:

      A)
      DDG/Elliott
      Kola/Cedric/Dawson/Mee/Naughton
      KDB/Mane/Zaha/Ritchie/Redmond
      Luk/Jesus/4.5
      3-5-2

      B)
      Foster/Elliott
      Kola/Cedric/Hegazi/Mee/Naughton
      KDB/Eriksen/Redmond/Ritchie/TC
      Lukaku/Jesus/Firmino
      3-4-3

      So, A or B? I think A is a better all round team personally, but no Spurs could cost me from the off....

      Thanks a lot!

      1. Egg noodle
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        B much better I think.

        1. anderson-son-son
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Cheers, I think I'm going to go with B actually but with Long instead of Naughton, then get Phil Jones instead of Dawson to maintain United defensive coverage. I'm fairly happy to take a punt on Jonesy given he's banned for our Super cup game. Although I'll probaly change my team another 50 times this week......

    9. anderson-son-son
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Gabbiadini started ahead of Dean Austin for the first time in pre-season.
      Dean Austin is 47 now, and was a defender, I would hope he's behind Gabbi in the pecking order...

      1. SEXY SALAH
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Dean Austin lok

        1. SEXY SALAH
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          *lol even! Oh dear

      2. bojack
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        That amused me.

    10. SEXY SALAH
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      That feeling from within when you don't even feel tempted to tinker anymore because you're as content with team as can be.

    11. All Saints Day
      J0E
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      Fantasy Football Scout daily hot topic

      All Saints Day

      Saturday sorted out a few issues for those shopping for Southampton assets ahead of their very kind early run of games (SWA, WHU, hud, WAT,cry).

      It looks like Charlie Austin is set to play second fiddle to Gabbiadini – who scored and assisted.

      Jack Stephens not only looks a secure option but scored as well. Southampton fans tell me his passing play and forward runs are now integral to how the team plays. He looks potentially a secure and better option than Cedric – who once again did little – as he has for his entire career on the south coast – despite those strong underlying stats.

      Ward Prowse too is looking secure in a set up that is considered to be near to how Pellegrini will set his side up in Gameweek 1.

      Which saints are you targeting and why?

      1. anderson-son-son
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Can't afford to risk Gabbi or Austin when there are better options in midfield for a similar price. And I'll still be going Cedric over Stephens because I prefer full backs where I can.

      2. Egg noodle
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Bertrand will be the top scoring defender. Just get him and live carefree.

      3. Ohhh Shola Ameobi
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Bertrand has been in my team since pretty much the get go - I'm now wondering whether I should downgrade to Stephens, as that 0.5 could be very useful elsewhere.

        Think I'll be staying away from their attack, I don't think it's ever had a happy ending for me, and I'm not prepared to risk it with the wealth of other options.

      4. J0E
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        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Jack 'Rio Ferdinand in his prime' Stephens.....Guardiola will be looking at him if he carries on doing this

        https://twitter.com/FFScout_Jonty/status/893931483907465216

      5. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Cedric. Top for successful crosses by a defender last season despite playing fewer games than most.

        Do Southampton have any more preseason games before GW1, Jonty?

        1. Egg noodle
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Nope,all done

        2. J0E
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          • 14 Years
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          That was it - so the assumption is that baring any fitness issues that'll be the GWk 1 side.

          I'm monitoring cedric- my issue with him is that he has had impressive underlying stats since he joined - yet never delivered. I wonder whether like say Navas and all those incredible crossing stats that his attacking threat will come to nothing while the likes of Stephens or Yoshida mop up bonus and offer more threat.

          In addition Bertrand actually delivers on his underlying stats - he costs more but if I was basing my sou def decision on strong attacking underlying stats I'd go for Bertrand.

          I'm minded to take a punt on Stephens - could be a star of the season, rather than a potential star that never shines.

          1. J0E
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            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I will caveat that with that I have a very open mind about Sou and if Cedric delivers then I'll be very keen to have him.

            Having an open mind will be key for me this season - which is bad news for you in terms of wanting a strong opinion on the scoutcast each week. Fence sitting imminent 😉

            1. FPL Virgin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Fair point.

              It would be really helpful, Jonty, if the FFS preseason guide told you how many starts a player has had in the preseason games.

              I'm personally not sure who is nailed in the Southampton defence.

              1. J0E
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                • 14 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                that wouldn't tell you much re saints as Cedric has been away.

                If VVD stays the Southampton fans consensus is that the back 4 will be Bertrand Stephens VVD Cedric...with Yoshida the more likely to miss out.

                But as it seems v v likely VVD will be moving on considering he doesn't want to play and is training alone the it is set to be

                Bertie Stephens Yoshida Cedric

                Follow Lucy on twitter - she retweets lots of good stuff from Southampton itk and local journalists.

                1. FPL Virgin
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Nice tip. Thanks Jonty! 🙂

                2. Still Unsure
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    What's Lucy's handle?

              2. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 7 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                P.S. Get me on the scoutcast. I don't mind giving people the straight yes or no answer they crave.

                I like to call it the straight talking express.

                1. J0E
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                  • 14 Years
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                  Say that in the voice of Alan Partridge back to yourself 😉

                  #accidentalpartridge

                  1. FPL Virgin
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 7 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    I was actually going for John McCain there 😉

                  2. asquishypotato
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    Greater good Jonty, don't let it happen!

                    1. FPL Virgin
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 7 Years
                      6 years, 9 months ago

                      The viewing figures would rocket.

                      1. tets mcgee (Bachmann an Rob…
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 9 months ago

                        i for one would like to see what u look like 🙂

        3. 32chickens
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I think SOT might be in for a fall and be turned over by SWA

          1. bojack
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I've thought this all summer. Fixtures generally are so good though. 3 in 4 at home.

            1. 32chickens
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              SWA turnover
              WH will be happy to play away but have enough of their own difficulties

        4. bojack
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Certainly a defender. Bertrand served me well in 15/16 (I think) so it might be him but equally it might be Stephens.

          Gabbi is tempting at 7.0 as I think that's going to be an important price point in the third striker area with Ihenacho and Chicarito that price as well.

        5. Oscar Slater
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Triple defence! Manager loves a cleanie and if their first 11 fixtures were repeated season long they'd all be Alonso's!

          1. bojack
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            That has big potential to backfire.

            1. Oscar Slater
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Jubilation when it works though!

              I like stacking. If you can pick the team who keep the most cleanses (and Southampton have a serious chance at the start of the season) what's the point in diluting those returns elsewhere?

          2. Egg noodle
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            That's maybe 20 points per clean sheet, and maybe around 5 points per non cleansheet. If they get 4 clean sheets and 1 goal in the first 12, then you have finished with 128 points from 15.5m worth of players in 12 weeks. In SGP terms, that would be a value of 4.2 or something.

            1. Oscar Slater
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              They'll get more. They'll all be 6ppg players by Bonfire night! 😉

          3. Miami Monkey
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Not a horrible idea to be honest. You can get 3x5.0 of them, and then only spend 4.0 on 2 benchers. If you really want to stretch your budget for attack that isn't a bad way to do it. Don't think any other team with 5m defenders is as good defensively, and they have the best fixtures I've ever seen

        6. b✪mber
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Seriously considering Tadic and Bertie, JWP a maybe.

          1. b✪mber
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            (not considering a triple up)

        7. bru10
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          what do you think guys?

          foster/elliot

          dann/trippier/cedric/naughton/mee

          KdB/eriksen/ritchie/ramsey/carroll

          kane/lukaku/jrod

          mane for eriksen?
          willian for ramsey?
          kompany and milivojevic for cedric and ritchie?

          1. Flynny
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I'm away for first few weeks so looking for players I know will play.

            That kinda rules out Cedric who only played 1 pre season...

            Bertie or Stephen's for me...

          2. Birds of Prey
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Mee rotates better with Hegazi than SWA, though I doubt he makes the 8 GWs this works well for.

        8. Differential C (Mark)
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          am on Cedric. Apparently, pellegrino really relies on full backs at Alaves, so im hoping he can a similar thing in the South Coast.

          1. Boydinho
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            This, and that's why i am interested in Femenia @ Watford, looked really good in Alaves with Pellegrino last year.

        9. Emiliano Sala
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Between cedric and yoshida
          Dunno whether cedric will play or not

        10. Miami Monkey
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I'm probably going to get Cedric and Stephens, unless I end up with extra budget.

          I also will get Gabbiadini, unless I decide to Firmino

        11. A.T
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I like the two centre halves but I wonder if a replacement is expected before the end of the window. For that reason I might go with Cedric instead.

        12. stachman
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Just read that Saints agreed terms with Juve over Mario Lemina... Not sure what does it mean in terms of picking order... I'm currently on Yosh and JWP...

          1. A.T
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Isn't he a mid?

            1. stachman
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Yes. Wiki says its central/defensive midfielder

          2. J0E
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            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Likely to be in central mid alongside Romeu...which puts Davis' place under threat.

        13. Ludo
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I agree on the centre backs potentially being better options than Cedric. The issue is we don't know where VVD will end up, and if they'll sign another centre back. We also can't know if Pellegrino prefers Stephens or Yoshida - fan opinions are hardly reliable predictors of what managers will do. Because of that, I'd rather gamble on Cedric's output improving than on one of those two nailing down a spot.

          Gabbiadini is very much in my thoughts. It's not often you get a forward who takes direct free kicks, which is nice, and the fixtures are lovely. He seems the stand-out forward below 8.0 to me, and although Southampton only scored 41 goals last season, their starting central striker (Gabbiadini, Austin, Long or Rodriguez) scored 15 in 38 games. Shane Long was particularly wasteful, and the other three produced 13 goals in 31 matches, which is a decent return. If someone nails down that spot, I think they're an option, and the Italian looks by far the most suited to Pellegrino's style.

          The midfielders haven't shown any pre-season form, with the exception of JWP. He's a good option at the price, but if you want a player who is completely reliant on set pieces for fantasy points, I'm inclined to think you might as well save 1.0 and play Tom Carroll, who is at least guaranteed starts.

          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            This. All this.

          2. Ludo
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Should have been 13 in 29 for Gabbiadini, Austin or Rodriguez as the main man - that's the same rate as 17 goals over 38 games

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              I can't find any evidence at all that Gabbiadini has any significant skills at dead ball striking, or indeed at the whole forward business! 😉

              http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/my-stats-tables/view/7522/

              http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/my-stats-tables/view/939/

              1. Ludo
                • 10 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                I don't think he's a particularly great player, but that's not necessarily a barrier to being useful for fantasy purposes at 7.0 - the opportunity his situation presents is good enough for me at that price.

        14. Feyzi
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          With Trippier out now, I can confidently recruit Bertrand. I can't see Saints scoring too much so the the attack does not appeal to me. But Ward-Prowse seems an interesting one that is on my mind.

        15. Smurf
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Does Stephen's style of play make him more likely to pick up bonus?

        16. Pep says
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I've backed Cedric so much over the past 2 seasons and let me down everytime. Avoiding for now. I was always on Yoshi but Stephens could be the cooler choice.

          Between JWP and Fraser for the 5.5 spot although a change in the allocation of funds could mean I get both for the opening gameweeks and strengthen other ares.

          Gabbi is tempting, I never jumped on his train for the doubles last and was glad I didn't. But those fixtures make him hard to ignore after that pre Season match

          1. Geoff
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            There's one clear winner there 😀

        17. Birds of Prey
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Stephens was also a bonus machine last season 10 in 1500 mins 1 YC, and currently 0.4% ownershp.

        18. saata
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          All discussions around here are about the defenders and the forwards, but the value I think lies in the goalie position.
          The only Saint's player that has been in my team since the opening is Forster and don't see myself changing it.

          Saints are bound for some clean sheets with those fixtures and the sloppy oppositions they face will lead to a lot of saves.

          Also, undoubtedly Forster has always been a quality keeper. He's ranked 5th of total points last season just behind 3 keepers of the top 6 sides who come at 5.5 now and Heaton who has been a sensation. He has earned same amount of points as Cech and just 2 short of De Gea in a Mourinho side.

          Besides, I don't really trust the 4.5m GKs available. All of them either play for defensively unproven side or don't have the fixtures.

        19. Awesom-o
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          With those opening fixtures it's hard to ignore Southampton asserts, 3/4 winnable home games to start the season. Especially if you're planning on wildcarding around GW5.

          With Trippier out and not being convinced on JRod I've tweaked things around to get Stephens and Gabbi in for Trippier and JRod.

        20. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Hi Jonty - see below for why I will be steering clear of the saints attack they don't finish thier chances simple as that.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etybM0me0pU

        21. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          ''I'm monitoring cedric- my issue with him is that he has had impressive underlying stats since he joined - yet never delivered.''

          He creates many many chances (much more that any other Soton defender, better than Alonso, Walker, Valencia ...), just not sure why the chances are not converted by others. I don't think others failing to score from his chances can be described as 'never delivered' because he is doing what is required of him.

          A few goals from him and at 5.0 he will be FPL gold

          1. FFPro
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            The answer to this is that the majority of his crosses are weakly lofted/dinked, not allowing the attacking player to generate power easily.

            This is one of the occasions where those who watch games gain an edge over those who are just looking at the stats.

            Stats are just a guideline, albeit a good one, but they don't always tell the full picture.

            1. Hotdogs for Tea
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              I will watch him closer to see if this is true

            2. Hotdogs for Tea
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              didn't you say this not a few weeks back though 😉

              Trippier Cedric Daniels dunk 4.0 has been my def for awhile now and i doubt it will change.

        22. It’s a Knockaert
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Should I go Cedric or Stephens or ake?

          1. Toked
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Cedric

      6. Oscar Slater
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Was just looking at Bournemouth players and came across this...They lost six and drew two of their eight competitive games in January/February but then had a 5/5/2 record from there on in (losses were against Spus & Chelsea and there were four clean sheets along the way). In that period only the Big Six got more points - and some of them played a game more. Looks like they were starting to really get a hang of things come the Spring time so there might be some real value down there.

        1. Egg noodle
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Good point. Although it doesn't have to spring this time, could be any time

        2. 32chickens
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Correct

        3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Francis was injured in January.

        4. Meltens
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah I wrote a post yesterday about Bournemouth being the poor man's Manchester City, I'm going cherry heavy at the start personally. Well priced and should hopefully improve this season.

        5. Christophe Savage
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          There is value in that squad, that's for sure.

      7. Dr Kenneth Noisewater
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Roughly there?

        Foster - Elliot
        Bertrand - Daniels - Suttner - TAA - 4.0m
        KdB - Pogba - Willian - Ritchie - Carroll
        Kane - Lukaku - Firmino

        1. Top 210 Club
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yep

      8. Tranny Fan
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Any tips on where I can find private Sky Sports leagues with buy-ins. I want to give a few a go this year but don't want to enter the public ones with circa 1000 people entered! I've had a quick search on twitter but not much seems to be on there

        1. FPL Kangaroo
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I have a sky cash league.
          All welcome.
          Only 20 in so far so great chance of actually winning.
          See details in tweet below.

          https://twitter.com/FPLKangaroo/status/884753166251773953

      9. tibollom
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        hows this? Defence too weak?

        Foster Elliot
        Kola simpson daniels mee rangel
        salah kdb willian ritchie caroll
        kaku kane chica/gabbi

      10. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Milner missed a penalty last season.

        1. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          He scored 7 out of 8 pens

      11. @persecuted_by_mods
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Pretty sure Milner missed a pen last year, Dean Forster saved it

          1. bojack
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I thought Dean Schmeichel came close to saving one as well.

        • Count_cooler
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Any thoughts on how to take 0.5 from this squad guys?

          Foster, Elliot
          Valencia, Yoshida, Mee, Trippier, Rangel
          Alli, Salah, Ritchie, Loftus-C, De bruyne
          Lukaku, JRod, Morata

          -0.5ITB

          Cheers!

          1. statenisland
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Lukaku > Jesus

          2. Jim Moriarty
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Valencia to bailly

          3. Christophe Savage
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Change Rangel, he won't play and his high ownership will cause a drop in value. Change to a low owned non player if that's what your after.
            J rod to Abraham?
            Ritchie to gross or jwp
            Trippier if injured to Bournemouth ake or daniels.

            1. Count_cooler
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Do you know how serious the injury is to Trippier?

              1. Christophe Savage
                • 8 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Not sure anyone does yet.

          4. HearMeRoar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Ritchie to JWP?

            Both on set pieces with strong early fixtures. Like-for-like?

          5. MB10
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Salah/JRod to Firmino/Ince

          6. TokyoRisingSun
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Valencia to Kolasinac.

          7. Count_cooler
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Cheers all! Some good options there, much appreciated.

          8. Birds of Prey
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Trippier> Hegazi rotates w/Mee Rangel will be 3.9 shortly
            Morata> Jesus
            Val> Bailly
            Ritchie> Willian IMO GL

        • Gazpilicueta
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          my usual football highlights website seems to have a severe lack of Bournemouth pre-season, and other less high profile teams....

          can anyone here link me to highlights videos or better yet a website where they are regularly uploaded?

          for Bournemouth right now, but also other teams are cool too. thanks in advance

          1. afcbbbb
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            You can watch Bournemouths game today against Napoli on AFCB TV ( Free to sign up )

            1. Gazpilicueta
              • 9 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              thanks dude

              1. afcbbbb
                • 7 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Welcome

        • Kizza_10
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Best 4.5 defender ?

          1. The Iron Tulip
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Francis or Mee possibly?

          2. Toked
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Danny Simpson

        • LloristheHounds
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Rmt

          FOSTER (Elliot)
          Danilo, Stephens, kola (lowe, hudson)
          Willian, KDB, JWP, salah, Ritchie
          KANE, lukaku, (ayew)

          Thoughts?
          Not sure on Stephans.. Will he start?

          1. Vijay
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            As a Saints fan, I'd think so - he was excellent yesterday against Sevilla. He's certainly our best CD after VvD

        • makaveli123
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          David Silva at 8m is tempting, especially with his new haircut

          1. Egg noodle
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I'd pay 9m for that haircut

          2. Syd.
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Yeah that is certainly a neat haircut

          3. The Iron Tulip
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            KDB or no one from the mid for me.

        • THFC4LIFE
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Pick an option. Have KDB

          A. Kane Zaha/Willian Kompany
          B. Jesus Eriksen Trippier

          1. Doylaz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            B if Trippier is fit

          2. Egg noodle
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            A willian

          3. THFC4LIFE
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Anyone else?

          4. MattB
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            B is trip fit

        • The Iron Tulip
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I feel like I may be settled on this team, rotating Francis and Carroll.

          De Gea (Elliot)

          Bertrand - Walker - Kolasinac - Francis (Haidara)

          Willian - Pogba - Alli (Carroll - RLC)

          Lukaku - Jesus - Firmino

          Thoughts?

        • Syd.
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Pretty sure James missed a penalty last season

        • statenisland
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Just done a little shuffling around. Would appreciate some better expert opinions:

          Foster (Elliot)
          Danilo, Cedric, Daniels (4.0, 4.0)
          Willian, Salah, KDB, Zaha, (TC)
          Jesus, Lukaku, Firmino

          1. Doylaz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            2 4.0 defenders will cause you too many problems

          2. CostaCoffee
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I'm afraid you only have 2 playing defenders

            1. afcbbbb
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              3

              1. statenisland
                • 8 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                This

          3. Vijay
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Personally, having watched them both yesterday, I'd take Stephens over Cedric.

        • CostaCoffee
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Should I be trying to get a L'pool player in my team?

          1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            imo yes. Salah. His record when played by his manager (rather than being bought just to stop others getting him by Chelsea) is outstanding

            1. CostaCoffee
              • 10 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Not sure how I will get him in my team

              1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                what's the rest look like? mine is currently:

                Elliott Foster
                Alonso Danilo Hegazi Naughton Schindler
                Salah KDB Pogba Tarroll Kacunga
                Luk Jesus Tammy

                1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Bloody Hell. What's all that? 😀

                  1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    🙂

                    i like it! Danilo is short term and i'm sitting on 0.5 mill.
                    if Siggy is starting week 1 i'll have him vs stoke for 1 week only. if not, Hegazi>Cedric before deadline.

                    you no likey?

                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      6 years, 9 months ago

                      I'm not exactly wild, no ... 😀

                      There are VERY FEW goals in that midfield ... 🙂

                  2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    Naughton/Hegazi/Schindler rotation is acceptable for the ££

          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            ARS : LEI 512 stk 221
            BOU : wba -182 WAT 359
            BRI : MCI -277 lei -151
            BUR : che -804 WBA 62
            CHE : BUR 804 tot -225
            CPL : HUD 48 liv -520
            EVE : STK 460 mci -342
            HUD : cpl -48 NEW -98
            LEI : ars -512 BRI 151
            LIV : wat 328 CPL 520
            MCY : bri 277 EVE 342
            MUN : WHM 260 swa 303
            NEW : TOT -322 hud 98
            SOT : SWA 218 WHM 57
            STK : eve -460 ARS -221
            SWA : sou -218 MUN -303
            TOT : new 322 CHE 225
            WAT : LIV -328 bou -359
            WBA : BOU 182 bur -62
            WHM : mun -260 sou -117

            What do you think? 🙂

            1. CostaCoffee
              • 10 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Ah this will mean a big squad reshuffle

            2. THFC4LIFE
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Wtf is all that

            3. bojack
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Surprised Tottenham's number is so high against Chelsea.

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Chelsea's away rating is only third highest, but their home rating ... 🙂

            4. afcbbbb
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Can someone explain what this means?

              1. Daaf
                • 8 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                These are custom made fixture ratings. Positive is good, negative is bad. CAPS is home, low caps is away. The higher the better -> Chelsea - Burnley is very high, Burnley - Chelsea is very low.

                Hope that helps.

            5. 32chickens
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              I think New will fare much better than wat
              I think swans could turnover sot

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                1.) I am sure of it.
                2.) I doubt that very much indeed. 🙂

        • aydeepee69
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          RMT....
          Foster
          Kolasinac, Luiz, Cedric
          KDB, Alli, Salah, Matic
          Jesus, Lukaku, JRod
          (Elliot, Mee, Hunemeier, Loft-Cheek)

          Still unsure re Jesus & KDB v Kane & KDB (and Alli downgrade)

        • Aussiemilan
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Hey guys Appreciate your input

          A De Gea, coutinho, erikson
          Or
          B Fabianski/foster, mane, de bruyne

          Keeping in mind i already have alli in midfield

          1. Silicon Vialli
            • 6 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            B

        • bojack
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          The form Carroll's in I'm tempted to start him against Southampton.

          Scenes here if he scores.

          1. 32chickens
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I'm with you but i'm starting Tammy above him!