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The Burning Question – Who is the Rooney Replacement?

With Wayne Rooney suspended and Aaron Ramsey sidelined due to a hamstring injury, the fall-out across the Fantasy games has resulted in significant sales over the last few days. As Fantasy managers assess their options in midfield and up front, we turn to our contributors and roll out a couple of Burning Questions to deal with our current dilemmas.

First up, we address the situation surrounding United’s new skipper. Despite being moved into a more withdrawn role, Rooney remained amongst the most popular strikers across the Fantasy games and still posed an attacking threat for Louis van Gaal’s side, but after earning a red card and subsequent three-match ban for a cynical challenge on West Ham’s Stewart Downing, his ownership is in free-fall.

Now set to sit on the sidelines until the Gameweek 10 Manchester derby, we ask the Burning Question – Who is the Rooney Replacement?

Mark says…
Wayne Rooney’s right to claim a spot in my squad was already under scrutiny once it became clear that he’d be deployed behind a front pairing of Robin van Persie and Radamel Falcao. When he scored after four minutes of Saturday’s match, my concerns were immediately calmed and, in all honesty, he showed enough in the first half of that match to reassure me that he’s still going to be a major factor for United and a key Fantasy asset. Having said that, the goals and assists at United are inevitably going to be shared out amongst a cast of talent and I always had my eye on either City’s strikers or the blossoming Graziano Pelle. The suspension made up my mind and, coupled with Aaron Ramsey’s injury, brought my Wildcard into play. Subsequently, funds aren’t an issue and I’m going straight for Sergio Aguero.

City’s schedule and Manuel Pellegrini’s emphasis on attack and killing teams off with sheer goal power convinces me that I need a City player. While I’m a huge fan of David Silva, I’m not yet convinced he can keep pace with the strikers. Out of those, Aguero is undoubtedly the most secure and productive. Yes, there are concerns on his fitness and durability but, given his meagre 10% ownership and therefore his ability to propel me up the ranks if he explodes, I’m going to take that risk.

That will be too rich for some and too much of a gamble – and understandably so. In which case, Pelle has to be the target. His underlying stats indicate we’ve a heavy-hitter on our hands, valued in the mid-price bracket. The only caveat is that Southampton are currently enjoying an extraordinary run of opponents and that their schedule will stiffen. In the short-term, however, I can’t see past the Italian – I’m going to settle on my high-roller gamble on Aguero but I’m well aware that Pelle could make me regret that decision.

Tom Fenley says…
Diego Costa is the only obvious forward to have so far this season, so it’s the other two spots in our teams that will be seeing much rotation. These two places currently only have a limited number of candidates, foremost amongst them Sergio Aguero, Graziano Pelle and Danny Welbeck. On Saturday I transferred Rooney out and bought in Pelle but it will depend on your squad – Pelle was the straightforward option for me, on top form, with better short term fixtures than Welbeck, and Edin Dzeko is hanging on in my team, ruling Aguero out for the time being.

The long-term question becomes whether you go for Aguero or not. Some City cover looks sensible, and although Dzeko won’t return the 13 points he scored against Hull every week, it would have taken a hit to get Aguero in for him. The issue with the Argentine is always the same – his fitness and tendency to get injured. With an important Champions League clash in midweek, I thought I could take the risk and wait to bring him in. However, if it’s possible for you to bring Aguero in for Rooney with no points deduction then I would be strongly considering it as he is clearly an excellent option. I’m also keeping an eye on the form of David Silva, who could become the City option that provides the best value.

The Rooney decision comes down to Aguero and a mid-priced striker, or two of the latter. At the moment, having Welbeck and Pelle would allow me to upgrade Sigurdsson to Silva, for example, and perhaps also include Leighton Baines at the back – a tempting prospect. The best like-for-like Rooney replacement is Aguero but the other option is to improve the squad as a whole – a route that could provide more value than investing so heavily in a second big-hitter up front.

In the past I would have gone down the Aguero route, but due to how my squad has developed I’ve had to go for two mid-hitters, at least for now, and hang on to the hope that Aguero doesn’t score too highly.

Jonty says…
In terms of goal attempts and shots in the box there are three standout candidates to replace Wayne Rooney. Chelsea’s Diego Costa should be in your side already, but if for some reason his eight goals in six matches have passed you by, he needs to be at the top of any list of replacements. For most, though, Costa will already be a fixture of your side and Manchester City’s Sergio Aguero and Southampton’s Graziano Pelle are the next two to consider. Pelle already has four goals and an assist and frees up more than 2.0 in funds to invest elsewhere. Plus, Southampton’s forthcoming fixtures are superb, with Sunderland and Stoke visiting St Mary’s after this weekend’s trip to Tottenham. Aguero also has four goals, which is remarkable considering he has only had four starts. If his hamstrings last the week, he is surely guaranteed to reward those who drafted him in.

D1sable says…
This really depends on how much you’re looking to spend. Aside from Diego Costa, no one player in the heavy-hitting bracket has really stood out so far, and with substantially cheaper forwards currently performing just as well, I think there is a good argument to save some cash in this area for now and spread the wealth elsewhere.

Taking form into account and looking ahead at fixtures over the next six to seven Gameweeks, I think there are a couple of stand-out value options in Graziano Pelle and Danny Welbeck. If you’re looking to spend a little more, though, I think Romelu Lukaku has the schedule (mun, AVL, bur, SWA, sun WHM) to perform in the coming weeks, although the Everton striker is notoriously inconsistent and his points are hard to predict, which is hardly ideal in Fantasy terms.

If you’re hell-bent on bringing in a big-hitter for Rooney and you have some spare cash then surely the marquee signing is Sergio Aguero. The fixtures look good and, let’s be honest, the guy scores in the majority of matches in which he features – it’s just whether you trust the Argentine to stay fit long enough to justify his acquisition.

Applebonkers says…
I think you have to at least browse Gameweek 8’s fixtures here, where teams like Arsenal and Everton see their fixtures flip for the better. If you fancy a midfield or defensive upgrade from those sides then now is a great time to shop for cheaper Rooney replacements to fund them. Maybe you’re eyeing up Baines, in which case Lidl currently sells nice Sakhos whilst Aldi are doing a penalty takers for 5.5-and-under deal on Berahino and Nugent. If you’re contemplating a big-hitting Arsenal midfielder, then you can find Ulloa in Iceland, Enner Valencia in Asda, Pelle and Dzeko in Tesco and Lukaku in Sainsbury’s. All look well priced.

If you’re happy with the rest of your team then two expensive options in Waitrose stand out (it would be four but I think I spotted ‘best before end 2013’ printed on Van Persie and Falcao). Sergio Aguero and the returning Daniel Sturridge both have excellent CVs but neither is perfect. Aguero’s muscles are facing a busy schedule which includes five away matches in the next eight. Whilst Sturridge’s fixtures are superb, I have a nagging fear that Mario Balotelli is the kryptonite of strike partners – Aguero only managed three Premier League goals with the Italian on the pitch, for example. I’m currently fighting that fear – if successful, it’s Sturridge. If not, I’ll go for Aguero. With both I’d keep hold of the receipt though!

Spencer says…
Going into Gameweek 6, my front three consisted of Costa, Pelle, and Rooney. I’ve replaced Rooney with Liverpool’s Mario Balotelli – perhaps a bit left-field, but the Merseyside club’s fixtures are still looking good (WBA, qpr, HUL, new), and with the Italian firing shots off with increased frequency, I think it’s a punt worth taking. Also, Sturridge returning soon can only increase his points potential. Alternatively, Danny Welbeck was on my radar as Arsenal have a good run of fixtures after the Chelsea match and he appears to have settled into the team well.

Ryan says….
Costa will be in most teams right now and in all likelihood your other striker is probably someone from the mid-priced range. I think it is particularly important to consider the balance of your forward line when scoping for a Rooney replacement.

Team balance is important when it comes to jumping on the next big thing. If Costa was your only big-hitter and your other two strikers were in the mid-priced range it would be seriously difficult to bring in a big hitter if they suddenly hit form and became a ‘must have’. Major surgery would be required to find the 5.0 or so you’d need to upgrade your mid-priced asset to the likes of Sturridge or Aguero. This would likely require multiple points hits, putting you on the back foot. For this reason I believe the best player to bring in would be a big-hitter with proven ability and a kind run of fixtures.

Who, then, is the best Rooney replacement? Sturridge is currently unfit so that immediately rules him out as a viable option, though even if he were to suddenly return to fitness, it would be a risk with Liverpool’s current woes in front of goal. I would also rule out Van Persie and Falcao due to tough upcoming fixtures and the fact you could end up picking the wrong one. Both are competing with each other for goals, though Van Persie seems to have the edge at the moment.

With City’s upcoming fixtures, Aguero stands out as the best pick – last season he scored 17 goals in 23 appearances with a strike rate of a goal every 93 minutes; the highest in the league. He also had a chance every 18.4 minutes last season – a higher rate than any regular starter apart from Luis Suarez. Aguero has the pedigree, the form and the fixtures to continue producing. With Dzeko and Jovetic competing for the other striker spot, Aguero is the main goalscorer at City and the perfect Rooney replacement.

7shadesofsmoke says….
As the red mist descended on Manchester United’s Wayne Rooney, across the city, dressed in the sky blue of his rivals, sat the perfect on-paper replacement (with hamstrings on ice). City’s star turn, Sergio Aguero, has the form, fixtures and pedigree to make him not just an able replacement for Rooney, but an upgrade to a sleeker, more advanced model. Of course, the sport edition carries greater risk of a blow out – but then, a returning Daniel Sturridge and almost omnipresent Diego Costa come packaged with the same hazard warning. Aguero trumps the popular premium options for minutes per chance (19.4) and minutes per touch in the box (10) this season, while his finishing has never been in question. For those looking for more of a punt, Mario Balotelli’s astonishing 15.8 minutes per chance and great fixtures could mark him a fine differential if he manages to lace his shooting boots.

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  1. Fader
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    One thing Id say about Downing...

    Majority of his points have came because he is playing a central role due to the Nolan injury

    Nolan back now and Big Sam loves Nolan so may find himself back on the wing

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Well, you are wrong, there.

      1. Fader
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Sorry, wrong about what?

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          See just below. He has been given a free rein, actually.

          Nolan will not affect that.

          1. Fader
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            He is playing a role centrally.... where Nolan plays .....

      2. The Hound
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        So do u think downing will carry on playing centrally or score similar from the wing?

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          See just above. You guys are all obsessed about Position, when you should be watching positional play.

          1. The Hound
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Ohh I've got him in earlier for eriksen to make room for aguero. Looking for reassurance because I was dead against him before.

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Well, he is playing out of his skin, fwiw.

              1. The Hound
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                It was the next two fixtures that did it for me also.

            2. Fader
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              We have QPR so no danger there. He will score points there.

              Sakho is a better option of a west ham player. Cheap, hard working and 4 goals in 4

    2. Cars and Mané
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Downing points in the three games on the wing = 14
      Three games central = 15

      His stats aren't drastically different either from memory

      1. Cars and Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Just had a look. More creative central, more goal threat on the wing.

        In any case, why change a winning formula when downing is doing so well centrally?

        1. Fader
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Normally no they wouldn't change a good thing.

          But Sam LOVES Nolan to the point He'd play him over anyone lol

      2. Fader
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Naive!

        We have only looked a good attacking team in the last 3 games. all 3 Downing has played central.

        Goals in previous 3 to this - 5
        Goals him in central role - 6

        6 goals Vs Liverpool, Man United and Hull. Downing is a far better scorer points wise central. If that changes he won't keep scoring points.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Well, you are watching a different set of matches to me, mate.

          1. Fader
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Seems it. I have a season ticket too

        2. Cars and Mané
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          If you've only looked good in those three games, which coincide with downing's new position, why change?

          He also scored his only goal of the season on the wing.

          1. Fader
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Don't get me wrong. I hope he stays there. Sam is just abit of a dinosaur..

            look at Liverpool result... attacking, no fear, exciting... so man united? change to a more "solid" formation... first 20mins we were awful!

          2. Cars and Mané
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            In any case, your next two are QPR and Burnley. Not a bad two week punt no matter where he plays.

            1. Fader
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              agreed

        3. Guy Demel's SH
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          We didnt look attacking in the Spurs or Palace match?

          The only game we've been rubbish in was Southampton, and luckily I was on holiday so missed it 🙂

  2. Evans
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is there a tool or site that's says the average number of pens per team ?

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      There are not enough penalties to make it significant.

      1. Woy of the Wovers
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Doos knows his stats.

  3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Shameless Repost. 😉

    "Doosra's Backs - Bonus Burglars". NEW REVISED EDITION.

    http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/my-stats-tables/view/5599/

    Vote early - vote often.

    1. Warning Hazard ahead
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Two questions Doos, remember I'm fairly new to this 😉

      1. What is CBI?

      2. What does voting for tables achieve?

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        1. Clearances, Blocks and Interceptions.

        2. http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/public-stats-tables/?sort-by=votes&tag=&username=&page=1

        - sort by "Votes"! 😉

        1. Warning Hazard ahead
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Ah, thank you kind man!

          Wow, a whole new world has been opened up to me. I see what you meant about a snappier name on the last page 😉

  4. pundit of punts
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Mbemba and Moreno to start tonight?

    1. The Hound
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Got a feeling Moreno may be rested. Hope not cos I own him.

      1. pundit of punts
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Can't really decide if I should sub in him for a 3 pointer. Whoscored.com has him starting and they are usually spot on.

        1. The Hound
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I've just got doubts because Enrique must surely play at some point. 50/50 whether to ship for 3 points I'd say. Haven't u got a 2pointer in your midfield that u could change formation?

          1. pundit of punts
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Nope. Shipped Brahimi for Sterling. Got Fabregas who stays and rest of my mids haven't played yet.

            1. The Hound
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Risk the trade then I say, I subbed costa 2points in the hope praet who is doubtful plays. I really have no idea if he will or not :/

              1. pundit of punts
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                I'll do some digging and take a call. Thanks. 🙂

            2. Walsh
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              I wouldn't bother with that trade. I can't see Basel blanking at home anyway.

              1. The Hound
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                He's an attacking threat defender though...

                1. Walsh
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Understood. Could have a bit of a gamble and start him I suppose, but not something I'd want to risk on day 2. A blank would be tough.

                2. Walsh
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  *not starting, I meant.

    2. Whazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Moreno wasn't in the expected line-up I saw on here earlier

      1. pundit of punts
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Got a link?

        Was it the one that Berbinho's Forehead posted yesterday? He later said that the lineup was wrong.

        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Can't find it sorry

  5. Twisted Melon
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Dier and Krul > Taylor and Fabianski for - 4 hit?

    1. Ser Football 42
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not for a hit no

  6. Doctor X
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Did a comparison on Puncheon vs Moses vs Downing on Squawka.com. It's a very tough call.

    1) Puncheon over Downing with a better attacking score:
    ....27.5 vs 26.1

    2) Downing over Puncheon with superior pass completion, key passes and chances created:
    ....82%, 2.8, 3.3 vs 71%, 1.8, 2.4

    3) Puncheon over Downing with more shots:
    ...2.2 vs 2.0 but Downing with better shot accuracy on 75%.

    4) The only thing Moses excels in is overall passing and shots inside the box:
    ...84% pass completion and 1.1 shots in the box.

    Hope this was helpful?! TBH it just confused me a little more. (Bottomed last page, reposting for a discussion)

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Hehehe! 😉 Nicely done! 😀

    2. Mr. Grv
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      When in doubt always wait a gw. 😀

    3. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like the look of Puncheon the best. Largely that's down to judging by eye, as the statistics are a very close run thing.

      All three have set pieces, though Downing shares them with Noble, and Puncheon and Moses have more of a monopoly. In terms of creativity, I think that Downing is the best passer/crosser of the ball, and should get the most assists of the three. Puncheon is second best in that respect, then Moses.

      Moses is a player I really like to watch, but I don't think he has enough consistency or quality in his end product, despite the amount of time he spends in the opposition box. Puncheon edges it, for me, because he has the perfect mix - gets into goalscoring positions more often than Downing, has the finishing ability that Moses sometimes lacks, and still a very good corner taker and all round creative player.

  7. lion78
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hello need some advice please, Im 50 points behind 1st place in my league and need to get rid off Ramsey and Rooney. Ive already taken a -4 hit do I take another or play the wildcard?

    1. grapesland
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sounds messy, probably WC ok

    2. The Hound
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If uve already taken -4 and still got roon and ram then 100% play your wc. I'm intrigued how uve already gone -4 and still got them though!?

      1. lion78
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks all for the advice, as for my stiuation im an amateur and made some bad mistakes.

    3. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      WC if you've taken the hit and not got rid of either of those.

  8. eish
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    is mane nailed on?

    1. La Roja
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yep

    2. Andrew
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No you're thinking of Jesus

    3. Willis.
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gucci Maneeeee

  9. La Roja
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How's this looking gents?

    Forster

    Chester Baines Pva (Clyne Hutton)

    Hazard ADM Siggy(vc) Tadic (king)

    Costa Welbz Falcao(c)

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      😕

    2. Andrew
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      When I first saw this I thought you were calling Tadic the king lol.

      Nice team

    3. Az
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'd be looking to get Chester out

  10. Pringle
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Regarding ownership:

    Some of you in here are using ownership as an argument whether you should own a certain player, and also why you should captain player A with high ownership over player B with low ownership because if player B fails you will drop in ranking. That makes absolutely no statistical sense. What should be the focus is the expected points of each player which is completely independent of the ownership.
    If you cap player B and he fails you will drop in ranking, but if you cap player B and he succeeds you will increase equally meaning that in the long run the ownership factor does not belong in the equation.

    Maybe a bit captain obvious here but it seems like some players are missing a certain statistical approach to the game which is what it is all about really.

    1. grapesland
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Couldnt agree more, but think most of the serious gamers are with you on that

      1. Pringle
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Yes true. But I see a lot of comments like "the high ownership will hurt you" coming from what I believe is serious gamers also.

      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Not at all. Many, many seem confused about this.

      3. money face bandwagon
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        is precisely the serious gamers that will consider ownership.

      1. Pringle
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        😀

    2. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      100% agree.

    3. Billy Gilmore
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It's a case of risk vs reward. If it backfires you lose out the nearly everyone.

      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        As he says though, long term it evens out. It's the same as doubling/tripling on a defence - it makes for highs and lows but overall your points total will be the same as if you spread the risk over three similar players from different teams.

        1. Pringle
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Exactly

        2. Billy Gilmore
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Only if it works out. Regularly choosing the riskier choice if far more likely to end in bitter disappointment than rousing success. I agree on the most part about whichever one you think will score higher, but I automatically enhance the score prediction of the likes of Costa to account for this risk.

          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            'Riskier' in what sense though? If you're captaining the player with the highest points potential each week then you're minimising risk from a points dropped perspective. That's more important than worrying about whether or not you're part of the majority.

            1. Billy Gilmore
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              The inherent risk that this is not an easily predictable game. Yes, that as the highest chance of winning but also easily the highest chance of going horribly, horribly wrong. You only have to look at Yaya and Ramsey last season to see how quickly things can go awry.

              Triggerlips is probably the best example, one of the most risk averse players on here. Also one of the best and most consistent.

              I'm not saying ignore points potential (that would be completely stupid) but I think with the obvious variability of players' points, there are many occasions where the best course is to minimise risk.

              1. GreenWindmill
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                I understand what you're saying but as long as your judgment isn't way off then your 'independent' captaincy options over the course of the season shouldn't see you lose ground. It depends on the quality of your predictions really.

    4. Willis.
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      You're ignoring the risk element here

      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He's not, he's saying it's balanced out by the reward element.

        1. Willis.
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Nope. He's asserting that one should only look at a player's expected return when choosing between captaincy options, which is an incredibly naive way of playing the game.

          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            It really isn't - it's playing it from a cold analytical angle. If you set out to maximise your own returns then whatever everyone else is doing is just background noise.

          2. applebonkers
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            at the end of the season they don't multiply your score by the percentage ownership of all your captains

            1. Willis.
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              It's not your score that matters though, is it? It's your rank, which is relative to how other managers perform. You'd be incredibly naive to not factor in how other managers play the game when making decisions.

              1. GreenWindmill
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                For that argument to make any sense then score and rank would have to be completely independent. (They're not so it doesn't 😉 )

                1. Willis.
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  I never said they were. It still doesn't disprove anything.

                  1. GreenWindmill
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    You didn't say they were but that's the only situation in which your statement would hold meaning.

                    "It's not your score that matters" Your score is the only thing that matters.

              2. Pringle
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                You have completely misunderstood statistics. For real.

                1. Willis.
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  I'm an actuary you ignoramus

          3. Pringle
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Totally disagree about that being naive. It is the way of playing the game with the highest expected value which you should do in all risk/reward games. E.g. poker.

            1. Willis.
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Rubbish. Your goal is to maximise expected returns AND minimise risk. This is the best way of playing the game.

              1. Pringle
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                That does not compute. Why should you choose the safer alternative if the riskier alternative will pay off in the long term?

                1. Willis.
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  What does the long-term have to do with anything? We're looking at this from a week-by-week basis. Some weeks you should take risks, yes. But some weeks you should play it safe and go with the majority. Blindly captaining the player with the expected returns week-in week-out will not guarantee success.

                  1. Pringle
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    "What does the long-term have to do with anything?"

                    It has everything to do with it. That is how you assess all things with uncertain outcome. Think that you run the games 10000 times and then decide what is your best decision.

                    "Some weeks you should take risks, yes. But some weeks you should play it safe and go with the majority"

                    I agree. All based on what players you think has the highest expected outcome. Nothing else.

                    "Blindly captaining the player with the expected returns week-in week-out will not guarantee success."

                    I have never said that it guarantees you success over a season. But if you play this game forever (which is how you should look at it) you will end up on top if you use this approach.

                    1. Willis.
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 8 months ago

                      You do realise that realised returns are not equal to expected returns right?

                      I'd much rather captain a player with a slightly lower expected return and a considerably lower risk than a player with the highest expected return any day of the week.

                      But hey, you know what? Why don't you go and captain the player with the highest projected points from the RMT every week while I go and captain Costa some weeks, Aguero in the other and Di Maria inthe few weeks in between. How does that sound? 🙂

                    2. Willis.
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 8 months ago

                      Oh, and I'm a Bayesian. I don't waste my time with ignorant frequentists. 🙂

                      1. Pringle
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 8 months ago

                        Really? I was heavy into Bayesian updating a while ago. Makes sense but it depends imo 😉

                      2. Pringle
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 8 months ago

                        Reply below.

      2. Pringle
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        If you base your decision on the fear of dropping in ranking rather than picking up small expected value advantages (+EV in poker terms) you have failed as FPL manager imo.

        1. Willis.
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Your ignorance humours me.

          1. Pringle
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            What do you mean?

    5. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      yep, i made this point on friday that even if you drop more in the rankings with 1 less point you're still on exactly the same amount of points and will pass more people with 1 extra point.

      don't let fear drive you

    6. Mr Pink
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It is a funny issue, because captaining/choosing the high ownership player, is the risk averse approach. On the other hand, people are saying that you shouldn't play a defender facing one of your attackers, i.e. go for the high risk/high reward instead of hedging your bets.

      I agree with you in that you should always go for the highest expected points.

    7. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      How was this argument not hulked?

      Awesome stuff lads, love it.

  11. drughi
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    ramsey >

    A) Fabregas ( Play in a team that are rolling and seem to be involved in everything)
    B) Silva ( Dont have any city players and silva is pretty cheap option into city attack)
    C) Tadic ( on set pieces and great fixtures)

    best option in your mind ?

    1. Andrew
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      a

  12. Mr. Grv
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Im thinking of taking rafeal in team instead of rose for this FT other defenders are shawcross iva cylne vlaar.

    I play 3 with at defence and i think rafeal is a good attacking threat.

    Thinking of iva shaww n rafeal 😛

    Please talk some sense into me :v

    1. Ash_195
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Rafael is good...but the rest of manu defence will not help securing a CS....try Bertrand!!1

      1. Mr. Grv
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        ok dude but i like taking risks 😀 so im gonna play rafael

  13. Ash_195
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rooney>>>> pelle

    1. Andrew
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes, yes, yes

  14. AAC
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Bego
    Wilson Clyne Taylor
    Siggy DiMaria Silva Fab Sterling
    Pelle Costa

    Guzan, Naismith, Duff, Wisdom

    I have 2.3 ITB, and 1 FT.

    Keep FT or do something?
    Upgrade Naismith perhaps? Upgrade defence?

  15. Royale-with-Cheese
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hey guys,

    Who would you bench from this lot: Baines(man), Rafael (EVE), Moreno (WBA) and Clyne (tot)? 80% sure I'll bench Rafael, but would dig some input.

    Cheers

    1. La Roja
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Clyne

    2. AAC
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'd bench Moreno.

      Baines & Rafael, well it'll be an open game and both will prob contribute.

      Clyne i'm backing Southampton to keep a clean sheet based on their good form.

      1. Royale-with-Cheese
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        If I don't play Moreno vs West Brom at home, I might as well not even have him in my team.

      2. Royale-with-Cheese
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Although I probably shouldn't have him in my team anyway.

        1. Ser Football 42
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah he had one good GW the rest he hasn't done too much

    3. Mr. Grv
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      i d play raffy bainy and clyne ..
      i dunno wats the hype this guys talk about moreno

  16. Your Mum's Athletic
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Watching Aguero for the first 65odd minutes yesterday, when the commentator goes 'Aguero is down here' or 'Aguero might need treatment', re-winding the severity of those challenges, they were really minimal and hardly much contact. If there is even a mildly hard tackle then i reckon he gets injured/taken off which has been the case this season and the last.

    For 12.1 million you want a guaranteed starter surely? He does the damage when he's actually on the field you say? Well we all know that the City forwards will all share game-time with each other and the points spread around so looking at the PPG you get the following:

    Jovetic - 5.7
    Aguero - 5.0
    Dzeko 4.0

    Compare that with popular strikers at the moment, you have:

    Costa - 8.0 😯
    Ulloa - 6.3
    Pelle - 6.2
    Welbeck 3.6

    The point I'm trying to make that going with a Pelle or a Ulloa or even a Dzeko as a Rooney replacement is more beneficial than going with Aguero, the amount of money left means you can get your Baines and your Ivanovic and get more bang for your buck elsewhere, rather than biting your nails everytime a tackle is incoming on Aguero...

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      +1

      For this week anyway.

    2. Mr. Grv
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      i have augero from the start of the season .
      i feel secure when i have him and costa no worries at front when u two best strikers and ulloa 😀

    3. grapesland
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      There is also the argument that City just dont look the force of last season as a team. I sense there is some kind of disharmony in the group, dont know if it is down to Yayas issues or something else, but I dont like it.

      1. Mr. Grv
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        u mean he didnt get a birthday cake ???

        1. grapesland
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          That would be the tabloid version, but guess there is more to it than that

    4. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      if not 100% guarenteed i still think he's a safe starter, if he gets injured he gets injured and you transfer him out. yeah the 1 point captain will hurt if he gets injured early so that's a genuine threat which other strikers probably don't really possess.
      i do think lukaku is a viable cheaper alternative to add to your list, if anything the slight taboo over lukaku these days makes him more appealing to me

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        The way Chelsea are playing Costa really is the "go to guy" for captain. Like Suarez was last year. And I think there are enough backup / VC options in other players that most of us own anyway.

        I can't see myself spending 12m on a player and not captaining him.

        It might change after this week though...I hope not though.

        1. applebonkers
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          costa is reminding me of rvp 2 seasons ago a bit. he was a hugely reliable captain as he always seemed to find something, but when you took a step back at the end of the season there was a real lack of multiple attacking returns. costa has only hurt non owners once this season really. fortunately either the injury doubt or the fixture or him simply being more of an unknown prospect meant no armbands were really thrown his way at everton.

          i'm not saying this will happen to costa. a lot of my pre-season fears are bearing fruit though. a lack of assists and pass bonus to help him get bps when he isnt scoring more than 1 goal. his intensity is very suarez like though, he seems to play every game like it's his last and not scoring a goal will ruin his week. i don't feel that with many other strikers these days, and it's a great asset to have

          1. Ludo
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Agreed. Costa is looking more of an incredibly consistent, weekly goalscorer with a few really big hauls (like RVP) than an explosive player like Suarez - who was so likely to get huge scores against weak opposition that you'd have to be a bit mad not to captain him. We're already seeing that his assists are likely to come from rebounds rather than anything else, and he really is rubbish in the BPS - he seems just about the only player in the league who needs more than one goal to get any bonus.

    5. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I get your point, but it's an incredibly small sample size. Aguero came off the bench in the first two games, and in his first three starts, City struggled to get going offensively. Stoke shut them out, then they had Arsenal away and Chelsea at home - about as tough as it gets for a team from an attacking perspective. Last weekend they got 4 at Hull, though, and Aguero picked up an 8 pointer. With their coming fixtures, I think that will be much more like par for the course.

    6. AWESOME-O
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I honestly think there are enough value players to make Aguero easy to accommodate at his price (I still have him flanked with Costa & Welbeck along with the template midfield 4 of Siggy, Sterling, ADM & Fab and Ivanovic, Bertrand & Chambers in defence).

      If he gets injured, he's an easy transfer out to any other striker. When he's fit, he's a must IMO as he's basically a Suarez mk2. He's consistent and could explode at any point.

      Yes he may get some rotation, but he only needs 5 mins on the pitch as a sub to score which he has proven several times.

      Ulloa and Pelle could be flash in the pans for all we know. Aguero is proven and world class and it's still possible to have a very strong team with him and Costa as your main strikers.

      Plus captaincy comes into this. I'd feel safer captaining him over any other striker apart from Costa.

  17. applebonkers
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    a post which got lost (i love that saying) at the bottom of a previous page. di maria captain this gw? if coleman is still out then why not! his average position progression last 3 matches is interesting too

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not today, thank you. 🙂

    2. Doctor X
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nice shout.

      Toss up between the two Argentinians for me this week then.

    3. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      you don't think Hibbert can handle ADM?

      1. applebonkers
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        only in mr north west contest

      2. Billy Gilmore
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Could do it in his sleep 😉

  18. Whazza
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Who rotates well with Naylor & Moore?

    1. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      They don't rotate too badly by themselves...

      1. Ludo
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        West Ham and Villa look decent from a quick look.

        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Thanks

  19. Nibbsy
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Tadic & Aguero or ADM/Silva & Pelle?

    No other City or United players currently.

    1. Fader
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      ADM/Silva/Pelle

  20. Fader
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Jedinak + Welbeck

    or

    Chadli + Sakho

    1. SAS
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A easily

    2. Ser Football 42
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A no question about it

  21. BobB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Downing is a great pick for the next few weeks

    1. The Hound
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Hope so!

  22. Fader
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Amalfitano is a nice pick too with no Kouyate

    1. Fader
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Wish I could have 4 strikers. I want to get Sakho in : (

      1. Debauchy
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Sakho looking hungry for sure. WHU playing far more attacking brand this season.
        I brought him in as a punt for Rooney - May even keep on my WC next week ?

  23. SAS
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RMT for this weekend please :). 1FT
    Forster
    Wilson / Clyne / Ivanovic
    Fabregas / ADM / Siggy / Sterling /
    Costa / Aguero / Naismith

    Elliot; Cattermole / duff / Wisdom »

  24. eish
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/christian_eriksen/126/126/61/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/dusan_tadic/126/126/7763/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/victor_moses/126/126/936/44/p|premier_league/2014/2015/nacer_chadli/126/126/7085/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/sadio_man%C3%A9/126/126/3272/0/p#total_score/attack_score/pass_completion/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/goals_scored/total_shots/shot_accuracy/successful_take_ons_%/successful_take_ons#90

    check out his comparison of eriksen tadic chadli moses and mane the results are crazy!!

    1. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Downing?

  25. Az
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Any fellow pelle, Bertrand and tadic owners here?

    2 weeks ago I owned 0 southampton players now I own 3. Madness

    1. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      just in time for their 1-0 loss at spurs. excellent timing 😉

      1. Az
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I fully expect that, but planned for the future 😉

        I'll still cry when it happens though

        1. applebonkers
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          and i'll cry the week after when pelle and tadic score

    2. Ser Football 42
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not madness. They are player setting the points atm

    3. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Pelle, Clyne and Tadic here 🙂 Had Clyne and Tadic from 1st GW, added Pelle last GW

  26. eish
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    i think im gonna go for a sadio mane punt

  27. BDMC5
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rooney to pelle even if you have dosh to get aguero?

  28. Andrew
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Quick poll guys :-

    Rooney >

    A. Dzeko for free
    B. Aguero for 4pt hit

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A, imo.

    2. Whattheheck!
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Pelle/Wellbeck for free

      1. Andrew
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Already have Pelle

  29. don parcheesi
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    In the same spirit as @Your Mum's Athletic thinking on the last page, I just swapped Rooney & Ramsey with Pelle & Di Maria. Sick of tinkering, 2FT, lost money this week already, low risk, and 3.6 in the bank for flexibility (want to keep the WC this year).

    Done.

    1. Az
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Good transfers

      Who's your other striker?

  30. GreennRed
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Ramsey's price gonna be locked at 8.9m until the red flag is removed?

    1. Sess!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No, he'll drop at least one more time before he comes back.

      1. Debauchy
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Will he drop before Saturday iyo Vamos ?
        Want to bench him and avoid a hit - WC next week