Opinion

This Much We Know – Gameweek 8

Contrasting fortunes and styles for the Premier League’s big teams, but the Manchester City juggernaut shows no sign of slowing down.

Elsewhere, there’s a sighting of the lesser spotted “viable budget striker”. Here’s my Gameweek 8 takeaway.

We should cherish a predictable Lukaku

Poor old Romelu Lukaku. Once much maligned for blanking in the “easy” games before punishing his doubters with high scores against the bigger teams, now we berate him for following the form book more deferentially by failing to score away to a Liverpool side which has, after all, only conceded one league goal at home all season.

And this accommodating pattern was amply foreshadowed last season when seventeen of his twenty-five strikes for Everton came against opponents in the bottom half of the table, in addition to four goals against ninth placed Bournemouth.

Manchester United mustered just two shots in the box during the bore draw at Anfield (compared to a previous average of eleven) with only a single attempt – through Lukaku – on target (compared to a previous average of nearly seven).

Even his biggest critics, though, would acknowledge that Lukaku was not entirely to blame for firing blanks last Saturday, as another footballing certainty was played out: Jose Mourinho is a spoiler away to the top sides.

Mourinho was never going to surprise us

For those holding on to Lukaku, it’s worth noting that United face all four of their remaining (traditional) top six rivals in the next eight Gameweeks, with more promising fixtures away to Huddersfield and Watford and home to Newcastle and Brighton to appeal to the those who like to view the glass as half full.

Defensively, though, shouldn’t we now be viewing every fixture as a good one for the Red Devils? With an astonishing seven clean sheets in eight league games and having already shown the nous to frustrate Liverpool’s (intermittently) electrifying strike force, we should surely have no fears in starting United’s defensive assets in every match, with the exception of Manchester City’s visit in Gameweek 16.

Almost a third of Phil Jones’ owners learnt that lesson the hard way after benching him this weekend, following hard on the heels of Bailly-gate last weekend, when Jones defied pre-match speculation as to his availability to record a six-pointer in the absence of his more popular Ivorian centre-half partner.

We can’t say we haven’t been warned about Mourinho’s game plan against the bigger sides. United have only scored a solitary goal in their last six matches against their top six rivals and trips to Stamford Bridge and the Emirates, together with the need to contain the potency of Spurs and, in particular, Manchester City, could well lead more of the ‘pragmatic’ approach viewers endured at the weekend.

Great news for anyone owning their defenders; less so for their strikers.

Kane the new Troll-kaku

Just over 42% of the game owns Harry Kane but we still don’t know which way to turn. A breathtaking September silenced (for a time) any suggestions that the Spurs striker and double Golden Boot winner was anything other than the definition of essential.

But one doubt remained, lurking deep below, like the clown prince Pennywise waiting for its victims.

Kane has already shown he can get in among the goals at Wembley for Spurs in Europe and for his country. Yet in the league, his barren home run now extends to four matches against the sort of circus defences (Chelsea aside) which usually invite their opponents to roll up, roll up and have as many shots as they fancy.

Many of Kane’s underlying statistics (goal attempts, shots on target, minutes per attempt) are actually better at Wembley than away from home, but there’s no hiding from the fact that his key statistics (expected goal involvement, big chances and, crucially, goals) favour away days.

With trips to Arsenal (a traditionally goal-happy fixture) and a locked-down United after this Sunday’s match against Liverpool, many had homed in on the visit of Crystal Palace in Gameweek Eleven as the oasis of goals in a desert of shut-outs. But with so many other scoring options (mainly at Manchester City), September’s must-have could be flushed down the sewer again very quickly in October.

“Essential” Davies is on the blink

If Kane has shown a capacity to frustrate, spare a thought for those of us who own Ben Davies. The full-back had seemingly made himself indispensable with three hauls of fourteen points or more and statistics to rival Marcos Alonso’s last season. Sadly, those were interspersed with blanks and, even more unforgivingly, two absences from games in which his team-mates kept clean sheets.

On both occasions, boss Maurico Pochettino has cited minor knocks or illness, but these excuses have done little to placate the FPL masses, who feel that 5.9 is way too much cash to tie up in a player who, infuriatingly, seems destined to miss precisely the ‘easy’ games which we expect him to excel in.

As mentioned, only the Gameweek 11 showdown with Crystal Palace seems to fall into that category and, with Danny Rose edging his way back into contention, the doom-mongers are already predicting that Davies could miss yet another lucrative home fixture.

The perfect storm for the perfect team

Sometimes, the underlying statistics merely confirm what the eye can plainly see. Manchester City’s twenty nine goals is over double that of every other team bar Spurs and United and City are comfortably the first team to hit three figures in goal attempts, with their 102 efforts coming in just eight matches.

What makes the sky most beautifully blue currently – aside from watching Kevin De Bruyne tear defences apart with an elegance to warrant bonus points for “just being a class act” – is how consistently and evenly the players are sharing what is potentially the biggest points pie in FPL history.

On Saturday, Stoke’s two deflected strikes doubled the number of goals City had conceded all season and kept the Citizens’ defenders out of the points for once, leaving Mark, among others, cursing filling a valuable spot with Nicolas Otamendi and contemplating joining the 170,000 who have already transferred out the Argentine.

Further upfield, though, it was carnage as usual, even without miracle man Sergio Aguero. Four of the top six FPL midfielders and two of the top four FPL strikers ply their trade at the Etihad. That’s an unprecedented dominance which even the old axis of Steven Gerrard, Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge couldn’t dream of matching in their pomp.

And all this achieved from six players who have, on average, played less than three-quarters (73.75%) of the available game time.

Records are there to be broken

It is no longer a question of whether we should perhaps have a Manchester City attacker or even two, but of whether we can squeeze three into our squads whilst this purple patch continues. We were right to fear rotation and to wag our fingers and warn that points would be shared. What we did not – could not possibly –anticipate was that there would be so many points on offer.

City have one of the most favourable fixture lists over the next seven matches, before an intriguing visit to Old Trafford, and they begin this run with a visit from a Burnley side which has allowed their opponents more shots than any other team in the league.

City’s last three home games have seen their visitors’ nets bulge five times (twice) and seven times and the statisticians have already checked the record books to check the highest margin of victory in the the Premier League (United’s 9-0 demolition of Ipswich in 1995).

Could this be the season, or even the week, that we see that record fall?

Cue 0-0 and a colossal display from Nick Pope…

A scoring Swan at last

With a scoring record which only bettered that of Crystal Palace, Swansea City were hardly on our attacking radars before the weekend. Some had wrestled with the dilemma of whether to go for Tammy Abraham as their third striker or for a wasteful Joselu, who was at least playing for a more creative side, but Paul Clement’s men were largely overlooked.

A brace for Abraham seems to have settled the budget striker debate and has brought the Swansea man into our thoughts as a third forward of genuine potential. His four goals is, after all, level with Alexandre Lacazette and only two behind, Kane, the City pair and Alvaro Morata.

His suitors, though, could do worse than find a rotation buddy for the Swansea forward. His next three away fixtures (Arsenal, Burnley and Chelsea) look far more challenging that his next three home games (Leicester, Brighton and Bournemouth) and a quick comparison of his underlying statistics confirm that – unlike Kane – Abraham prefers home comforts. Four shots on target to one, five big chances to none and, most importantly, three goals to one tells its own story of the cheap striker of choice.

2,109 Comments Post a Comment
  1. R.C
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Who to Captain?

    Jesus or Morata

    1. tricky80
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      People say he doesn't get minutes but Jesus definitely gets bonus, I'd go Jesus every time against Burnley even at the risk of rotation.

    2. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Lukaku. Morata has average stats. Everyone mesmerized by hat trick against laughable Stoke defence that had key injuries

      1. R.C
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        I dont even Lukaku, not worth my money when Morata offers better ROI.

        Also, Morata slightly better than Kaku.

        1. R.C
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          I dont even have*

    3. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Only thing is the slight risk that aguero starts. It is definitely a strong possibility. Aguero captain same dilemma. If you have sterling it may be the safer bet. Then again kane....Nah city at the minute

      1. R.C
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        So Morata?

  2. tricky80
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Right now, do you get rid of a fully fit Alli against a dodgy Liverpool defence or misfiring Hazard at home to Watford?

    Can go Alli and Monreal to Alonso and Coutinho for no cost....

    1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Why is Liverpools defense dodgy?

  3. FantasyFootballSprout
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Kane and Choupo-Moting > Morata and Sterling?

    Got the exact money and I’m not planning on captaining Kane over the next 6 fixtures as there are better options.

    1. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Who is the better option in GW11? I don't see one myself.

      1. FantasyFootballSprout
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Jesus/Aguero.

        I don’t rate Arsenal at all

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          Which one though? You can read Pep's mind about who will start, can you?

          Saying "I think City will score plenty" is not the same as "I can confidently captain a City player".

  4. Syd.
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    I am beginning to think that Aguero still hasn’t fully recovered and him being on the bench is just City playing mind games with the opposition. I hope I am wrong

    1. Rik Waller
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Interesting theory. What are the mind games hoping to achieve?

      1. Team Bobcat
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        The only thing I can think of is to keep those playing on their toes.

        I think his cause in attack is weakened from last year with the selling of Iheanacho and the fact no striker was bought the challenge jesus and aguero. I do therefore believe those two are safe.

        Its the midfield positions where blood and tears are shed. I think aguero was used as a sub this last two games in order to give his midfielders playing time. I wouldnt be surprised if both jesus and aguero start this weekend. But on the other hand its burnley. Who needs resting?? Obvious answer to that is Jesus. Played for brazil in inteenationals. Rushed home for saturdays games and played close to the full 90 tonight. Man needs a rest.....

        AGUERO STARTS

    2. @fpl_phenom
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      A manager wouldn’t put an unfit player on the bench for a mind game

      1. Team Bobcat
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        This I think is true ^

        But he didn't bring him on even when 5up against stoke, its pep we are talking about not any auld manager....

    3. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      This is exactly my worry also. I hope you are wrong. Then again pep would have hardly named aguero on the bench if that was the case....unless of course to remind those playing who is waiting in the wings... never know with pep. He gives the impression sometimes that he doesn't know what he is doing. Far from it!!

    4. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Not so much mind games but maybe only for emergencies (if City are chasing). The fact that he hasn't even been subbed-on in 2 games does suggest that he's not fully fit.

  5. Salah’s Sonnet
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    3 x Repost
    Anyone liking the look of this potential team i'm looking to get?

    Elliot
    Naughton - Jones - Maguire - Ward
    Sterling - Eriksen - D.Silva
    Morata - Kane - Jesus
    _____________________________
    Krul: RLC, Carroll, Mbemba

    Leaves 1.0 in the bank for potential Jesus > Aguero move.

    Any takers?

  6. AFC49
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    In which order would you get rid?

    A.) Cedric
    B.) Davies
    C.) Kolasinac

    1. Akeem
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      B A C

    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      B
      C
      A

    3. Coaly
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      CBA

  7. Akeem
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Would you do:
    (I've got Silva)

    A) Ramsey ---> Sterling
    B) Mkhi ------> Sterling
    C) Lacazette ---> Morata
    D) Lacazette --> Kun
    E) Lacazette --> Jesus

    1. the snazzy viking
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      D

      1. the snazzy viking
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        actually on second thought A

    2. AFC49
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      A

    3. Akeem
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      cheers

    4. Smudger’s Dirty Dozen
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      A...or D for a punt...

  8. Rinseboy
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    who to bench this weekend from

    RLC Gros Atsu?!

    RLC and monitor?

    1. Akeem
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      RLC

      1. Rinseboy
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        thanks any reason?!

        1. Akeem
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          I'd play Atsu out of those 3 next GW....out of the other two RLC didn't play last week when they finally won so I'd rate him as doubtful to start

          1. ☻ Jon Snow ☻
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 8 months ago

            Because he was unable to play against the club who owns him??

  9. Deulofail
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Just realised that I've made 7 transfers this season, and NONE of them have been good.

    GW3: Iwobi > Cork (my best transfer)
    GW4: KDB > Mkhi (money ITB till GW7)
    GW5: Bertrand > Mendy
    GW5: Lacazette > Vardy
    GW7: Mendy > Azpi
    GW7: Mkhi > Sanchez
    GW7: Jesus > Morata (-4)

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Some horrendous transfers 😆

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        I know!

        ....in hindsight, right? 😀

  10. GrilledSteeze
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    With 0.0 ITB and -4 after could do

    Valencia > Jones
    Vardy > Aguero

    Currently only City coverage is Sterling

    Thoughts?

  11. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Any Champions League injuries?

    1. Fred54
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Just lots of headaches and itchy fingers.

  12. Smurf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone having trouble loading the scoutcast?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Tried with no issue.

  13. CloudSky
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    This the week that Loftus Cheekinho scores.

    1. Rik Waller
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      I'm debating starting him. Gonna feature in my team in the next few game weeks for sure

      1. CloudSky
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Im currently on verge of starting him over Rich. Loved what I saw against Arsenal but reckon Conte will go back to basics and keep it defensive.

    2. the snazzy viking
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Will probably score on my bench

      Though I only need a fake Davies injury or a Jesus rest for him to start

      1. CloudSky
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Im in the same place. Shivering in horror of 2 of my starters not playing and getting Ward off the bench in a 5:0 mauling.

    3. Akeem
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      never change a winning team? (he didn't play vs CHE)

      1. CloudSky
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Been their best player though this season.

  14. McNulty
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Zero minutes for Aguero in the Champions League.

    Is that good or bad?

    HOT TOPIC

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Hulk this.

    2. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Good. For Aguero.

      Does it impact jesus?

      Probably not.

      1. the snazzy viking
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        This

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Not great, could easily be saved unless City are losing.

  15. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    What would you do with this sack of sh*t?

    Elliot Krul

    Jones Cedric Naughton Francis Mbemba

    Ritchie salah Silva Brady Carroll

    Kane Lukaku Jesus

    Got a couple M in the bank... Can upgrade Ritchie or Brady to Zaha maybe?

    1. Patch
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Actually think your team looks alrite...at least you can say half your team matches my potential WC

  16. jimmy.floyd
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Sterling or Silva?

    1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      I like sterling silver. But in fpl I'd go for Silva. Feels nailed.

    2. R.C
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Basically risk sekking or risk averse

    3. F4L
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      just get both

  17. AFC49
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Davies > Jones?

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      It's gaining traction for me.

    2. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Davie 13 pointer incming.

    3. John t penguin
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Locker

  18. Scotty B
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Play Fabianski or Elliot this week?

    1. VFORVANDETA
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Elliot

  19. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Missed the Davies ship. Glad it's sinking.

    1. the snazzy viking
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      all Davies owners to drown confirmed

  20. Team Cruel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    If I was on WC right now...

    De Gea (Elliot)
    Otamendi - Jones - Daniels (Mee - Naughton)
    Eriksen - Salah - Sterling - Richarlison (Carroll)
    Aguero - Morata - Abraham

    1m ITB.

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Light up top.

      1. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Alternatively keep Lukaku for this GW and sell for Kun next week.

      2. Patch
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        When do you plan to WC, seeing as you have a few injured...

    2. F4L
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      not sure id want Eriksen going forward

      1. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        I'm getting him after United. Could have a field day vs Palace and Arsenal.

  21. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Who would you captain this week?

    Jesus (potentially starting on bench)

    Hazard

    Kane

    Thanks

    1. VFORVANDETA
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Hazard

  22. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Safe to do Davies to Jones tonight or is the latter available for tomorrow's game?

    1. Flynny
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      He is available tomo night but not sure has featured too much in europe...

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Might as well wait. Cheers.

      2. John t penguin
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Think he has been suspended to date

    2. George James
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      On this aswell berb as really want Jones and don’t want to kiss the drop however Davies starts for me Sunday and good chance of attacking reruns

  23. Rinseboy
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    start Gros or RLC this is driving me mad this week.!

    1. George James
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Gross

    2. AFC49
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Groß

    3. VFORVANDETA
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Gros

  24. George James
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Starting 11 and captain ok?

    Elliot
    Cedric Stones Azpil Bavies
    Hazard Silva Richarlison
    Kane(c)Jesus Vardy

    Pereria Carroll RLC Humeneir

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Jesus or hazard (c) for me

  25. VFORVANDETA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Davies or Kola to Jones?

    1. George James
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Kola

    2. Garth Marenghi
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Wait, what?
      Why drop Davies?

      1. VFORVANDETA
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Rose says hi.

        1. Garth Marenghi
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          Nooooooooooo

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Davies
      At least kola is nailed and eve SWA is better than LIV mun

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        For short term
        For long term rose will be annoying for us ( Bavies owners)

        1. VFORVANDETA
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          Thanks.

  26. Smudger’s Dirty Dozen
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Best transfer option for -4?

    A Bertrand/Ritchie to Marriapa/Sterling
    or
    B Bertrand/Ritchie to Cresswell/Zaha

    Or Kaku to Jesus for free?

    1. VFORVANDETA
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      B

  27. F4L
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Back line currently Davies Cedric Jones

    Willing to take hits, who to replace Davies with, up to 6 mil budget (not Otamend).

    1. VFORVANDETA
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Luiz?

      1. F4L
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        not sure about Chelsea's defence with Kante out. will consider though

    2. George James
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Why so keen to get rid mate?

      1. F4L
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        don't see any decent returns forthcoming. Rose back (albeit not fully fit) has to be a concern as well

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Ota or keep then Ward

  28. Hy liverpool
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 8 months ago

    Two questions

    A.Davies to Jones or Alonso ?!!
    B.And is it worth a hit iyo?

    1. Red Dagger ✪
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Davies and No.

    2. Red Dagger ✪
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Oh sorry misunderstood. To Jones yes.

    3. F4L
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Davies to Jones for a hit could be worthwhile in the long run, id do it

    4. MTPockets
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Alonso's been pretty a frustrating 7m spend tbh. May want to wait until run from gw14.

    5. FredrikH
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Current team is:
      Elliot Foster*
      Davies* Hegazi Jones (Rosenior* Mbemba*)
      Eriksen Salah Sterling Carroll (Chalobah*)
      Vardy Kane Lukaku

      2FT 0.3 itb. What would you do here. Everything I try feels sideways. Suggestions?

      1. klegend
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Foster to fabianski

    6. klegend
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Hi,

      If I take a hit this week tonight , then I decide to wild card, what will happen with that -4 ??

      Thanks

      1. FredrikH
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        You dont get -4

        1. klegend
          • 12 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          Thanks

      2. John t penguin
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        I will convince them to give you it back