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Shouting the Odds: Who the Bookies Back in Gameweek 12

Bookmakers odds can serve as a reality check when selecting your starting 11 and captain. I often use the Ladbrokes site as it’s comprehensive and clearly presented.

In this article, I will be examining the odds to try to pull out implications for our fantasy teams.

Clean Sheet Odds

Let’s start with the clean sheet odds in percentage terms.

Liverpool lead with a 55.6% chance of a clean sheet. Leicester (50%), Chelsea and Manchester City (44.4%), Arsenal (40%), and West Ham (39.2%) follow; all predictable enough. You might be surprised to read that Cardiff (36.4%) are next most likely, although we do know Brighton struggle away. Tottenham only have as much chance (35.7%) as Southampton of keeping it clean, a reminder of the importance of home fixtures. The real probabilities are possibly lower of course, because bookies make a profit.

Of sides we might reasonably consider for playable defenders, Newcastle (28.6%) have the smallest chance of a clean sheet, whilst Brighton keeper Mat Ryan only has a one in three chance of more heroics (come on Mat).

Aaron Wan-Bissaka’s owners have only an 18.2% chance of a clean sheet but this is still above the 17.4% chance that Liverpool had at Arsenal in Gameweek 11.

The odds can question playing expensive defenders in tough fixtures and although attacking potential should be considered, this is often also lower in tough fixtures.

Attacking returns

I use the concept of expected points, which basically adds the returns from each outcome, weighted by their probability. If you have a 50% chance of 2 points and a 50% chance of 6 points then you ‘expect’ 4 points, even though getting exactly 4 is unlikely.

Expected attacking points use the odds for scoring 1, 2 and 3 goals. Two appearance points are assumed, along with 1, 2, and 3 bonus points for 1, 2, and 3 goals respectively. The extra goal and expected clean sheet points for midfielders are also factored in. The potential for assists is not included, which along with a player’s role, is a function of expected team goals.

These odds have Mohamed Salah (12.78 points) then Sadio Mane (10.49) as the best picks. If you have neither, Eden Hazard (8.88) beats Sergio Aguero (8.32) and Raheem Sterling (7.53). The totals are higher than on the RateMyTeam page (in the Member’s area), as they include bonuses and don’t factor in the bookmaker’s profit margin. It doesn’t matter, because the aim is to compare. Whilst RMT slightly favours Hazard over Mane, the odds put Mane higher.

Expected Team Goals data comes from the ‘Team goals’ tab on the Ladbrokes site. As all possibilities are covered, the bookies’ margin can be removed, giving a ‘real’ expectation.

Liverpool’s expected 3.35 goals extend Salah and Mane’s lead. Manchester City (2.49) beats Chelsea (2.31), so there isn’t a clear cut winner between Hazard, Aguero and Sterling.

Who to bench?

Many managers in the Meet the Manager series have advocated a cheap bench. In these cases, your decision is easy; but Gameweek 13 starts a busy period when you’ll likely need better substitutes. It also gives the option of selecting cheap players over expensive players with tough fixtures. Comparing the Any Time Goalscorer odds, David Brooks with a 26.7% chance is level with Richarlison for Gameweek 12 and a better option than Gylfi Sigurdsson (23.8%), Anthony Martial (23.8%) and Paul Pogba (20%).

Do any of these odds surprise you? Are you looking to spread the funds a bit through the festive period?

Do you look at odds, and if you do, which do you look at and find most useful? Which would you like to see me include in the future?

 

21 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Geoff
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 11 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Nice article! I'm a big fan of looking at the odds; I do it weekly just to see if I've missed anything, basically. Also a nice way in draft to help with rotating defenders.

    How do you look at odds and how do they influence your choices? Do you find Clean Sheet odds help? Goalscorer? Anything else?

    How much do you let betting odds into your thinking for your FPL team?

    1. french holiday
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      No

    2. HNI
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Clean sheet odds if both defenders are close in rmt projections

    3. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I glance at G-Whizz's clean sheet odds when I need to make a decision and very informally mix them with my personal thoughts about how involved a player is likely to be in attack and other factors.

      If someone posts odds here, I'll soak in the information, but I don't seek them out. RMT is enough for projections, and then I'll consider the smaller details my self with my own puny and messy calculator in my head.

      1. G-Whizz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers D 🙂

        As you know myself I'll use fixture and clean sheet odds to help here and there 😆

    4. A.T
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      None at all. The amount of money people gamble has no relevance to the outcome of an event.

    5. Triggy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Given that bookies’ odds on sport (where there is a sufficient volume of bets) are [almost] purely a reflection on the expected distribution of betting and aren’t based upon expected outcomes of the sporting event itself, they aren’t the best indicators to use to guide your FPL choices.

      Yes, there is a correlation between bookies’ odds and outcomes but only because the odds are based upon betting patterns and the betting patterns are based upon a combination of gut feel and data and desired outcomes (e.g. Man Utd fans tend to bet on positive Man Utd outcomes and there are a lot of these fans so they skew the odds in favour of low payouts for Man Utd wins, clean sheets, etc.).

      I can see how they can be used if you have little or no knowledge about a match but bluntly, we all know enough and have the resources of various websites, podcasts, etc. that we can make informed decisions without bookies’ odds!

      1. circusmonkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 5 months ago

        Triggy, I don't think there is sufficient volume in these bets to have the effect you suggest. I remember in the pre Internet days the odds for England winning tournaments were way shorter than they should be. Bookies had to cover themselves against the patriotic punt.

        I think it is more likely with these sort of bets that bookies try to encourage a range of bets to reduce exposure to get a steady return across all outcomes. They have to offer realistic prices on all of them to do this.

        1. Now I'm Panicking
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 5 months ago

          This. People who disregard bookies odds completely are in la la land. Plus, if they are so wrong, why isn't everyone taking advantage and becoming millionaires?

    6. seewhyaxe
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      yes the clean sheet odds specifically.

      when both teams are tight, and if it happens that I own defenders from both teams, i'd start the one with better odds of a cs

  2. Deulofail
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Useful information, thanks CircusMonkey. Just one question, does RMT really not factor bonus points into the projections? Surely it does? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote 🙂

    1. circusmonkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      I got that impression because they never go very high but if anyone wants to correct me, they can.

  3. HNI
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Currently around 1600 overall and need some advice of transfer to compete all the way post december with 500 rank

    Team
    Fabianski 4mn
    Alonso Mendy Robertson Doherty cheapie
    Salah Hazard Richarlison Barkley* cheapie
    Kun* Wilson Arnie
    0mn ITB

    1) Save FT hoping Barkley starts but unlikely having played entire Europa match
    2) Kun + cheap mid to Jiminez + Mane -4
    3) Hazard to Mane and then get back Haz for fulham home
    4) Barkley to Murphy as Rich doubtful too so only Doherty bench cover
    I know 1st looks best but dont want to lose opportunity on Mane to rise in ranks like I did vs Cardiff

    1. HNI
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Sorry wrong place.pleaee ignore

  4. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Link for anytime scoring odds?

  5. RoysCallerAnne
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 5 months ago

    Remember, if your rich Uncle is a bookie that drives a Bentley that smells of cigar smoke, then avoid this method of playing FPL completely.
    Rely on your own genius and pontificate accordingly.

    1. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Illiterate happenstance.

  6. MTPockets
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Cheers. I do the same on expected pts - mostly just when trying to decide on benching and not as comprehensive as factoring in bonus..

    • El Lobito 10
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 5 months ago

      Of course. Bookies use sophisticated methods to refine odds.