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FPL Noob: Is an Eye Test necessary before buying a player?

My wife, who rarely watches a match, is destroying me in FPL. Yes it’s embarrassing. Yes I’m pulling my hair out. No she doesn’t have any sympathy.

The worst part? She doesn’t even watch the games.

Honestly it’s a sore one right now, but it does raise an interesting question: should you bring in a player if you haven’t watched them play?

Most of us would say no. Maybe it has to do with gut feelings. For me, seeing a player in action is absolutely essential before I will consider bringing him into my team.

But is that logical? The Eye Test is the reason nobody wanted Harry Kane for some time, even though he had the third-highest overall points tally for forwards in the league and Spurs’ fixtures were looking nice. Many FPL managers don’t see the energy, intensity, or drive when they watch him play. The same could be said for Salah before his hat trick. The eye tests, in these cases, seem to be trumping the numbers for a lot of FPL managers.

But numbers never lie.

I’m not writing about my wife’s team because I think it’s a squad you should emulate. I’m writing about her team because I think we can learn from her approach and the fact that she’s been able to work her way up without watching any of her players. It makes you consider the power behind the numbers alone, and how our passion for the game can cloud them.

I live in Arizona, so early weekend games can come on at 4:30 AM – but even if they were on in primetime, my wife wouldn’t watch them. It just doesn’t interest her. However what does interest her is isolating problems and using information to predict the future. That’s why she’s an auditor.

I want to focus on her differential picks. For someone who doesn’t seek out FPL advice, she somehow chooses differential players that perform exceptionally well and find their way into many top 10k teams. Does the fact that she’s an auditor with a Master’s degree in accounting come into play here? It’s possible.

For her, it’s literally all about the numbers.

She brought in Sterling and Fabianski right at the start in Gameweek 1 (Fabianski warming the bench until recently). She picked up Fraser a week later in Gameweek 2. She brought in Alonso in Gameweek 3, then Mitrovic in Gameweek 5. She has been playing Michael Keane since Gameweek 8 and got Doherty into her squad in Gameweek 10. Most recently she picked up Jimenez in Gameweek 13. As of Gameweek 17, she acquired Felipe Anderson, which gave her immediate returns.

As of Gameweek 18, she will still have Sterling, Alonso, Doherty, Fabianski, Keane and of course Anderson in her squad.

She doesn’t spend much time on her team, which could be advice in itself. Her laid-back approach is brutal when she’s beating you, but it’s also eye-opening. She isn’t focused on any gut feelings, any FPL pundit opinions, or any player form she sees with her own eyes. She is literally focused only on numbers that are available.

As I look across the room at her casually tinkering with her team, watching Top Chef, and feeding our son all at the same time, I’m hunched over the dim light of my computer screen for the umpteenth hour surrounded by scribbled stat notes, suffering over the decision to either play Laporte vs Richarlison or Paterson vs Holebas, and agonizing over a trickle of points like a maniac.

Nobody said FPL is fair.

It’s a cruel world, but we can definitely learn from it.

When I look back at the differential picks she made early on and how they played out over the season, it’s hard to convince myself that she got lucky. She not only picked up Fraser in GW2 – she has kept Fraser since GW2. Same thing with Alonso. Sometimes, keeping a player can be just as hard as trading them. For her it seems like there’s no emotional attachment to any players or teams and therefore it comes down to math and numbers.

Instead of struggling because she doesn’t watch the games, she is actually doing well because she doesn’t watch the games.

For me, I think I need to combine the deep, underlying, differential statistics and also look at the broader leaderboards and simple stats in order to improve my team over the rest of the season – if anything, that could be some advice for others outside the top million.

Next season, if I can improve my performance, I can return a bit of focus back into those deep numbers. For now, I need to be willing to experiment with players I haven’t watched extensively so I’m not limiting my squad’s potential.

Does it make sense to start considering the players that we’ve never watched? How important is the eye test, and has it clouded your vision?

What combination of the eye test and data do you aim for?

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  1. Geoff
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Nice article! Thanks for submitting.

    For me, the eye test is somewhat supplementary in that it's not the first place I go. The way I learned to play was, at first, using the data that FPL provides - mostly home and away form, goals and assists, fixtures, etc.

    That then became a focus on FFS data which was more involved, and then I added in a lot more of the eye test. I lived in Canada when I started playing FPL and I didn't have a community of friends playing to draw from except FFS, and watching games on television was tough at the time. I also had the early morning problem.

    The more info we can get to help us make our decisions the better!

    1. Woy of the Wovers
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      The eye test can help but it can also work against you. If you watch a skillful player your unconscious biases could easily attribute value to that player (in an FPL sense) where it doesn't exist. You can then start playing "what if" scenarios in which you credit them with assists or goals they should have got but we're denied by either luck or failings of teammates. In no time, you've bought yourself an FPL dud and will forever bemoan how he always assists the assister.

      For this reason I place far more reliance on the stats. The eye test can be used to support or downgrade the stats but they are generally the best measure for where the points are likely to come from. In contrast, the eye tends to confirm to us what we already believe, or want to believe.

      Stats don't lie. Our minds do.

    2. benched captain
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Thank you for the kind words! I feel like I need to watch a player before bringing them in, but it's completely true that it can often push you in the wrong direction. It's tough, because sometimes the eye test can work out. Recently Kane had a mediocre game but launched a rocket with his weak foot from 30+ yards...when he did that, it was as if he just decided, okay, I'm going to score now, and did it. That's the kind of thing you don't get from stats, and one of the reasons I'm still committing so much of my budget to him. Guys who can change a game like that don't always shine through in the statistics, but you might see them in-game and realize what they can do.

      I understand the struggle to actually have access to the games. Thank you NBC.

  2. Pep Pig
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Interesting read Krispyska. Fair play to letting your wife play 😉

  3. Melania
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Interesting read!

    Personally, I do not rely on the eye-test at all. Unfortunately I do not have as much time to watch the football as I would like. One or two games a week and Match of the Day is all I can normally manage, and I don't think the highlights are sufficient to form a proper opinion around a player.

    I also think you need to view players performance over a number of games to make transfer decisions, judging people after one 'eye-test' can often be misleading, and most of us won't be able to watch all our players and transfer targets each week! The stats help make such decisions instead.

    Having said that, looking at my squad now, I think I've watched a full game at some point this season, of all my players apart from Billing.

    Keep up the good work.

  4. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    It's really all about luck though.

    Your wife could try the same tactics next season and have her team perform like duds.

    Injuries and loss of form are things you can't legislate for. Sometimes you go on a run where every choice you make works out (my ML leader is on one of those runs right now, yet over the last 3 or 4 seasons he's been nowhere) and you seem to get all the autosubs work in your favour.

    Ultimately, unless you have the gift of being able to predict the future all you can do is pick a player and hope he performs to your expectations. Some years you get it right, and finish in the top 1k.

    But most of the time; though, it's a mixed bag.

    1. Maddi Son
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      But if it's all about luck, how do certain players consistently get in the top 10k? If it was just luck you'd expect 10k one year, 2 million the next, 400k the next etc.

      1. @fpl_phenom
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Exactly, im assuming this manager is not doing well and therefore in his eyes it must be all luck or else he will have to admit hes made poor decisions

      2. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Luck plays a bigger part in winning any tournament than people like to acknowledge.

        The goal that Sanè scored to win the City v Liverpool game, on another day it hits the inside of the post and bounces out.

        Stones gets to that goal line clearance a milisecond too late and it's a Liverpool goal instead.

        Great FPL managers make good decisions but they still rely on basic things happening that they have no control over.

        I'm just outside the top 200k and that's because of failed captain decisions more than anything else. I also get ebbs and flows during a season when either everything I do fails or everything I do comes up roses.

        Ultimately, I don't think there's any magic formula to picking a winning team. All the research in the world isn't going to tell you player x is going to hit the post instead of score the week you captain him.

        1. Grimlock
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Yeah I think this really interesting topic...
          What extent does luck play in FPL.
          It must be foolish say it has no impact. But surely the other extreme is also incorrect...

          Maybe a FFS scout article. Quantify the probability that the top managers who get massively high rankings consistently are lucky ???

          I mean there's luck in loads of games. People find strategies to maximize their chances. Just because in FPL you don't actually role any dices, I don't think its much different.

          As the adage goes luck evens out over the season ? City got 100 points last season - that's just quality

    2. Forza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      It's not *all* luck, but luck definitely plays a bigger part than many of us realise. I finished 3035th in 2015, then I finished outside the top 200K for 3 consecutive years, but now I'm 261st. I've played in similar ways throughout that period.

      1. ploskon23
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Luck vs unluck always levels during longer period of time (like a season). Last week I won in my h2h league by one point and this week I lost by one. It is about dealing with information and developing own strategies.

    3. benched captain
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      It's strategy +luck. The way I see it, it's just like gambling; use the information you have to increase your luck.

      1. Kiwivillan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        I base most of my decisions on FPL data. I don't watch games anymore with Villa in Championship and on middle of night mostly NZ time

  5. Laporte In A Storm
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone sticking with Son for MUN?

    1. @fpl_phenom
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Ye I think it would be madness to sell him early given the form hes on

    2. benched captain
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      100% yes, seems like a no brainer since Spurs tried hard to keep him long enough for this game. He's definitely in for me.

  6. SomewhatPleasing
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Interesting article, thanks.

    If it stays this way for next 17, I'd seek a divorce.

    Eye test on full matches over highlights is my main determinator, stats with others popularly bigged up if I haven't see much of them.

  7. Gregor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Nice read, krispyska. My missus used to play in our office league and did quite well just by replacing players who got injured or weren’t doing much with whatever player she could afford who had the most points. All the blokes who watched loads of football couldn’t understand how she was beating them and wrongly assumed I was telling her who to bring in!

    As the author of a few Hot Topics on the eye test, I’m obviously a big fan of it though, I watch as much Premier League football as I can manage and love scouting for players that I might bring in. For me it’s a combination of watching players and checking the stats though. If a player catches my eye and then the stats back it up as well or if I’ve seen somebody posting good stats and then they impress me when I watch the highlights then those are the players that I really want to get in.

  8. thischarmingman
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    I’ve been the same. No real interest in watching - just started playing fpl to have something more in common with my mates who do love to watch. It made it more fun to watch games with them, and also I’ve beaten them a few times - including this year - that adds to the fun! Recently I realized that I do enjoy watching even if not much at stake fpl-wise so I guess it worked 🙂

  9. RedLightning
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 13 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Excellent article, krispyska, but what your and your wife's ORs and how long have you both been playing?
    Are you both in the top 100k, or are you somewhat lower?
    Could you link your teams' seasons histories?

    1. benched captain
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Hey thank you! We are horrible but no problem. Her Team: ID #4527068. My Team: ID #962241

      We have been doing FPL for longer than I'd like to admit, but this is the first season where I've really had the time to seriously get into it. In the past it was mainly something to get more of our friends involved in watching the games. But since NBC started showing PL, I've actually been able to consistently follow it. This the first year I've realized there was such a huge community around FPL and have been getting more and more into it (unfortunately that means I started the season off setting myself up for failure!). Actually Andy from Let's Talk FPL was the first person I watched and took advice from, and from there I discovered FFS which has helped me a lot. I've gone up in OR for seven weeks straight, but honestly I just can't wait for next season.

      1. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Your wife is only 49 points ahead of you.
        Back in GW14, before your recent run of green arrows, the gap was 85 points.
        So you're gradually gaining on her, and should stand a good chance of overtaking her by the end of the season (unless she also decides to take FPL a little more seriously in order to keep ahead of you!).

        The eye test is useful, but can be misleading if not combined with stats and advice gleaned from sites such as FFS and Andy's Let's Talk FPL.
        And if you only select players you have actually seen play then you could be missing out on other good prospects that you haven't seen.
        But now that you have discovered these sites, your team should continue to improve.

        1. benched captain
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Yes things have definitely changed in my favor over the festive period. I was way behind for a very long time, then I took seven hits in seven gameweeks (from GW10 to GW17) to try and re-structure my team, which seems to have worked. Since then I've been steadily gaining - keeping Kane, Son and Salah was a risk that definitely paid off.

          Thanks for the insight, yeah we are both taking it more seriously now, it's quite fun and honestly sifting through stats and fixtures and captaincy options is a good way to relax. This season has been eye-opening, seeing how many people are this interested FPL.

  10. HollywoodXI
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    I feel your pain. I have been in stiff competition with the guy leading my ML for 12 years and he is beating me this season without having watched any football at all. I study form, fixtures, stats, watch games, listen to a million different podcasts facilitated by FPL experts and watch all the pressers / read all the articles and sites available and he’s still beating me. Frustrating. I think there’s definitely some mileage in the concept of overthinking it.

  11. Gothenburgsaints
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Eye test is important but not your own eye test necessarily. In other words, read what other people that watch games write. Use that info with stats to make calls.

    1. Four Hit Wonder
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I got seven green arrows since I stopped reading other people's opinions...

      1. Gothenburgsaints
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Well it is about finding the right people and also being able to use that info to make decisions. If going alone is working for you, keep doing so!

      2. Shuko
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Other peoples opinions are fine, but you just have to make your own decisions, and not jump on every bandwagon and kneejerk. It's a bit too hectic here usually; one week a player is essential and then next week everyone is dumbing him etc. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose by going with your own mind, but playing is more interesting that way.

        1. Gothenburgsaints
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          You simplify too much. The question is whether you best make up your mind with solely secondary data (stats, other people’s eye test, opinions etc) or a combination of secondary and primary data. Here I am not so sure given the biases created with primary data (assuming you only watch 1-2 games per GW). Also, how good is your eye to spot FPL potential? Not sure mine is good enough as compared to some other people.

  12. TAArt
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    I remember playing fantasy football in the telegraph as a kid. I spent hours picking my team. My sister picked a team purely based on names she liked. It was probably Kanu’s best season at Arsenal and she absolutely thrashed me.

  13. Legomané
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Great article krispyska - sounds frustrating 🙂

    I had a little go at Eliteserien fantasy over the summer and found the experience of choosing players with zero eye test liberating to a degree, though it was also eventually what prematurely ended my interest!

    This season of FPL has been tricky for me - I’ve had less time to spend tinkering/statting due to other commitments, and weekend match time has been limited due to growing family, so have been relying a great deal less on the eye test than I would’ve liked. I’d say it’s created a great deal more uncertainty in my own transfer planning than previous seasons, indeed I don’t think I’ve ever saved as many FTs at this stage, partly down to indecisiveness 😮

  14. plapam
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Exact experience here, the wife wondered what my hub bub and torment was all about. She tinkers and completes her team in 5 to 10 minutes. Then just 30 seconds ti pick her captain.
    Imagine just 30 seconds !!!!
    She does excellent on points just by numbers alone. She will no longer take advice like” honey be careful they’re playing Manchester city I wouldn’t really captain them” etc. Many of her decisions baffle me because I take a personal interests but she spanks me some weeks on points and I wonder what I did wrong.
    It is a competition between us and I get irritated when she beats me in points. But I won’t change my torment on Friday night because apparently I love the process.

    1. benched captain
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      It's amazing that we can have such identical experiences.

    2. harvard
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      How does she rely on numbers alone and takes just 5 minutes to sort her team. You can't break down the numbers excellently in 5 minutes.

      1. FPL.team
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Sort by total points. Done.

  15. harvard
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    This is a funny article. I think your underperformance has more to do with it than your wives over performance. If she has someone like Alonso then it can't just be because if numbers as his numbers aren't great. People keeping faith with Alonso is usually because of eye test (I was one of them, sold this week because of price changes). That players she gets return isn't just in stats alone. Stats tell you when someone is performing not when they are likely to perform, Eye test does that.

    I had Salah in my team all the while because while people were selling I was watching him and seeing his position and chances in game. Something that stats might tell you means he is off form.

    Again, stats can be biased. Silly stats made me buy into Huddersfield defense.

    **Stats will tell you that city defense concede few changes but watching the games will tell you that the defense switches off a lot that any chance could possibly be a goal.**

    The point above is what's crucial. Stats are good, but they are interpreted best with the eye test.

    1. harvard
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Though I'll also accept that eye test isn't always necessary and can be deceiving.

      For example, I like deolofeu a lot from his time at Barca so when I watch Watford games I tend to see his performance more than others. This can create a bias.

      Another great thing about eye test is that it tells you the repeatability of a scenario. How much more likely a performance is to be repeated is gauged easily by eye test

  16. Schafsalat
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Interesting article, good read!

    I just started watching PL games because of FPL, never did that before. So when the season started I actually didn't know quite a few of the players in my team, let alone having ever watched them play. Now I like to watch PL games my players are involved in. Looking at my transfers, I'd say I don't rely much on my eye-test though, still happy to transfer in players I'd never watched play (or not paid any attention to them).

  17. Four Hit Wonder
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Eye test can tell you, for example, that Hazard has a role of keeping the ball in the final third but it's always someone else that's responsible for delivering the blow. You can detect a player's role in the team by watching a game.

    That's how people first noticed Kante will start scoring.

    Kane and Salah do look sluggish and disoriented most of the time, and so does Alonso. But that's not what you should be looking at.

    Numbers do lie.

  18. Rider on the Storm
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Lol for the title!

  19. Adiebaby
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Can we interview your wife?
    Whatever she does, we need to know it!

  20. New Viera
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    This eye test made me bring in Traore in my first Wildcard and overlooked Fraser who was flagged but scored his highest points in that GW

    1. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Traore has always been like that.
      Extremely fast, but little end product.

  21. Amateur Pundit Zan
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    I think with both stats and the eye test you need to understand what you are looking at, what it is telling you and therefore how you should apply it to your fantasy team.

    Seeking information from both stats and eye test is ideal, along with input from other trusted sources, as it all helps validate the evidence.

    But it’s the application of that information which is key and how you use the information to help you manage your limited resources (€s, transfers, squad size) on an ongoing basis to maximise points over the season.

    If someone wrote an article that cracked that I would give up the game.