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Is patience really a virtue in FPL?

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Here, former FPL champion Simon March asks ‘when should we be patient in FPL?’

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Guns ‘n’ Roses frontman Axl Rose once said ”All we need is just a little patience” and, while it remains unclear whether or not he was talking about FPL specifically, it is often said that patience is a fundamental characteristic of a good FPL manager.

While, for the most part, I would echo this sentiment and, indeed, I’d go as far as to say that patience can, when applied correctly, become a ‘secret weapon’ for FPL managers (more on that later), I would also say that patience is not an unequivocal virtue in this context. In fact, patience can easily lead to an FPL manager’s downfall when it is afforded to the wrong players.

So when should we and when shouldn’t we be patient in FPL? This question will be the focus of this article.

PATIENCE

I’ve spoken before on these pages about the benefits of ‘delaying gratification’ when it comes to using transfers and chips and, in my eyes, these principles remain true. Patience becomes more complicated as a concept when it concerns players however, and every FPL manager has, at some point, either kept hold of a player for too long or transferred a player out too early (in fact they’ve almost certainly done both). If we could somehow perfect our timing in these respects, we’d probably be 100 points or more better off each season. Even reducing the impact of our poor timing could make a dramatic difference to ranks come the end of the final Gameweek, that’s how significant a matter it can be.

PATIENCE IS NOT JUST ABOUT POINTS

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In my FPL winner’s interview with Fantasy Football Scout all the way back in 2015, I highlighted the key role that I felt patience had in that success:

“I think all my best decisions involved keeping faith with players a little bit longer than their FPL form at the time perhaps merited. It’s surprising how quickly proven players can become differentials if you remain patient.”

Arsenal’s Gabriel Martinelli (£6.5m) has offered us a recent example of how exercising patience with a proven player can pay off. Martinelli produced seven goals and five assists in his first 17 Gameweeks but failed to produce either a goal or assist from Gameweek 19 to Gameweek 23, apparently also losing his starting place in the Arsenal team. During this time, he was sold by almost 1.4 million managers and he lost £0.3m in value. Martinelli responded in typical FPL fashion by scoring four goals and 32 points in his next three matches.

There is certainly an argument that switching out Martinelli was logically justifiable at the time and there’s a good chance that many who kept him did so mostly because they had bigger problems elsewhere in their squads. Furthermore, reducing this discussion to ‘patient’ and ‘impatient’ behaviours does neglect the wider strategic context in which such a move might have been made, but it is also undeniable that the trend towards getting rid of Martinelli was lent fuel by his run of blanks and, also, it was ultimately a decision that benefitted few of the FPL managers who made it.

Martinelli is a good example of the type of player I was referring to in my 2015 interview: a proven performer with a history of consistent returns, playing in a good team, with good underlying stats. These are the kinds of FPL assets that I think do deserve more patience than they might sometimes seem to deserve in the moment. Some will point to the ‘opportunity cost’ of keeping such a player when alternatives are in better form and, while there is some merit to this argument, it understates the additional benefit of keeping the player through their dip; you don’t need to use any transfers.

The key benefit I had from keeping faith in proven players back in 2015 wasn’t that they eventually scored quite well, because despite those scores, I also had to eat their blanks, it was that I was saving the transfer(s) required to take them out and, perhaps, back in again, meaning that I could use those transfers to take advantage of bigger opportunities elsewhere. This meant that, while others were busy reversing their moves, I was always on the front foot that season compared to my rivals. The fact that it paid off so many times in one season clearly involved some luck, but without exercising patience in those scenarios, I doubt I would’ve been anywhere near first position.

This practice is a lot easier said than done though, particularly when the player in question is eating up a large part of your budget. The temptation to re-invest that money elsewhere can be huge and this can cause us to neglect some contextual factors which might suggest that the player is actually ‘a hold’.

But if there is a general piece of advice to be taken from this experience it is to say that, if you are using your transfers (or hits) to take out proven performers who have not fallen off a cliff in terms of their underlying stats, you may not be exercising enough patience.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN

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There is, of course, a flip side to this coin which occurs where you hold on to an underperforming player for too long. This can be at least as detrimental to an FPL season as getting rid of a player too quickly and, yet, there is often a very fine line between the two.

When a player stops scoring for the long term, however, there do tend to be some signs. Firstly, that player may stop getting chances to score and/or the form of the overall team they play in may drop. These factors are most concerning, in my opinion, when the player and/or team has no real history of consistently delivering points or, in other words; when they have clearly been overperforming either statistically (e.g. scoring from few shots) or in general with respect to what you might expect from that player or team.

An average player can turn into prime Karim Benzema for a few matches, we know this to be true, but when they lose that form, it is unusual for them to regain it any time soon. If this wasn’t the case, they wouldn’t be an average player. It is up to us as FPL managers to identify the difference however best we can.

But there’s another, more inherent element to why we might hold on to players for too long, however, and it has to do with a psychological reluctance for us to acknowledge our mistakes. In the same way that traders often hold on to failing stocks for too long rather than realise their losses, we hold on to poor performing players rather than admit that we were wrong to bring them in in the first place or that their good spell of form has run its course.

In these circumstances, ‘patience’ quickly morphs into ‘stubbornness’ or ‘inertia’. So, when a player’s form dips, we might need to be honest with ourselves in that moment and consider whether our original decision to transfer them in was based on strong logic and then be ruthless in acknowledging when we need to correct our course.

Finally, there’s also the flipside to the subversive benefit regarding preserving transfers that I described above involving what we might call ‘enforced patience’. If we transfer in a player, even for a ‘short-term punt’ there’s a good chance we’ll end up holding on to them longer than we intended to because other priorities will emerge. Thus, it’s always worth sense-checking your short-term transfers and consider what it might mean for your team if you had to hold on to them for longer than intended. This can be especially significant when the player uses up a lot of your budget.

CONCLUSION

It is often said that patience is ‘a virtue’ but, in terms of FPL, it might better be described as ‘a tool’, and it is one we must learn when, and when not, to use.

At the core of this is identifying which players merit our patience and which don’t. Patience with proven players in strong teams with good underlying stats tends to pay off not only because we receive that player’s points when they do rediscover their form (at which point they might also have become more of a differential) but also because we do not use transfers to move them out and, perhaps, back in again. 

This might sound like a small thing but, over time, it can become a huge thing, we all know the feeling of being ‘on the front foot’ with our transfers versus the feeling of ‘fighting fires’. Spending more transfers in the former state rather than in the latter can be a hugely decisive factor in where we end up in a season.

Patience where it isn’t justified can be just as damaging as impatience. If you cannot find a reasoned, objective justification for holding onto a player but you do it anyway, you may find that inertia or stubbornness are dragging you down. In these situations, the only solution is to have an honest re-evaluation of some past decisions and, if you conclude that they were wrong, it may be time to swallow your pride and correct the mistake before it becomes more significant.

Haaland Foden


215 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Bobby Digital
    • 6 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Pick one:

    A. Mitoma
    B. Mac Allister
    C. March

    1. JJO
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A or C, but all 3 good options

    2. Dokdok666
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      b, pens and #10

    3. La Roja
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A

  2. JJO
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    BB Kepa Martinelli Zinchenko and Botman?

    1. mcginnntonic
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Save imo

      1. mcginnntonic
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        doublers better chance to go high

    2. Bobby Digital
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Not bad

    3. No Kane No Gain
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Nah. Same bench with 2 weeks of additions would make a better 29BB

    4. Hairy Potter
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Depends on what your bench will look like for GW29

    5. JJO
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Yeah I just had a look at gw29, with 2 transfers i can get much better bench
      Looks Im just gonna have to take that bench points this gw and hope no injuries until that gw29

  3. mcginnntonic
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Which combo for 27/28/29:

    A) Shaw and Bruno
    B) Shaw and March
    C) Henry and Bruno

    1. bialk
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      B

    2. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      My personal dislike is making me say B haha. I think that’s also the right FPL choice…?

  4. Klopp's Kids
    • 10 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    MacAllister or Toney captain?

    1. bialk
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Everyone and his dog goes Toney.

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        So?

      2. The Mentaculus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Me & my cats are going Mitoma (C)

        1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 2 months ago

          Surely MaCATllister?

          Mine’s sat outside the window screaming at me.

          1. The Mentaculus
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 2 Years
            1 year, 2 months ago

            Hehe. Create a one week team in their name & TC Mac?

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I Mac

    3. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Mac, wish I had him. Mitoma (C) and Toney owner.

    4. jammie26
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Salah or Mitoma for me

  5. KeanosMagic
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Kepa (Ward)
    TAA Gabriel Trippier (Botman Tarko)
    Salah Odegaard Saka Martinelli (Bailey)
    Haaland Felix Toney

    Should I...
    A) FH this week to get more brighton/brentford?
    B) -4 to get Mitoma and Estupinan (for Bailey and Tarko)?

    1. bialk
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      B

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      If you do B you have 5 blankers the following week.
      Just get a Brighton mid or defender. Failing that, go for a -4 with a Brentford defender and Brighton mid, so at least you have an extra player in the blank.

    3. Kane not win a trophy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Not sure what the benefits would be with option A)

    4. Kingy109
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Out of interest do you really have 4 Arsenal (Gabriel, Ode, Saka, Martinelli) or is one of them someone else? And could that someone else be the one you swap?

  6. as33
    • 8 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Which 3 to start:
    a) Veltman
    b) Dalot
    c) White
    d) Trippier

    1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Bench White

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      So b much one.
      Dalot

  7. bialk
    • 14 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Play:
    A -Darwin
    B - Odegaard ?

    1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      A easily.

  8. Do We Make Our Own Luck?
    fusen
    • 12 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    "The fact that it paid off so many times in one season clearly involved *some luck*"

    'some luck' to describe the amount of luck needed to be #1 in the world at the end of the season is sort of funny to me 🙂

    I do enjoy these sorts of articles because the concepts are always true in essence, but realistically just like described on page 1 of the comments, it's easy to add a 'title' or 'category' to a concept that has played out, AFTER it has happened. To actually successfully apply all these concepts as the season in happening is often just a coin flip.

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Yeah, it easy to title a strategy that worked and bin one that didn’t.

    2. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I don't agree. The timing of your patience/impatience, and how adeptly you adapt to changing circumstances is definitely a skill. Calling everything a 50/50 is a copout

    3. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Luck only seems to be discussed when results are bad. No captain ever lifted a trophy and said we were so lucky to win today. We didn't deserve that win. You make your own luck and if goes against you try learning and improving or give up.

      1. fusen
        • 12 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        That says more about the person than the actual real factors that influenced the outcome though.

        It's a known fact that humans will project their own ability on things that go well and not acknowledge the external factors they have no control over as playing a part.

      2. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Can’t believe you’ve just compared the captain of a sports team where incredible amounts of skill are required to win, with fantasy football transfer decisions.

    4. PartyTime
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 1 month ago

      Partly. Some other factors like rubbish officials also part of it, so we do not completely make our own luck in fpl when other factors are involved.

  9. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    I mostly kept Darwin on my WC out of spite, and intended to move him to Toney. But now I’m torn. Toney —>

    A) Darwin

    B) Kane (can’t resist all those fixtures)

    C) Watkins (currently thinking this)

    1. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I'm going to keep Darwin too. Can see myself going big on Liverpool from 31/2 now. Think I would lose Watkins

      1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Yer it’s a tasty run-in for sure! Watkins is probably the call.

    2. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
      • 7 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Regarding B: How many points did you think Kane will score when you saw that fixture against Wolves on paper?

      1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        About 42. And another 13 from Davies.

  10. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Do Ederson, Nketiah to Raya, Toney today or on Saturday?

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      No other days?

    2. bialk
      • 14 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Toney's price is rising tonight, but I'm waiting.

  11. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    On WC27 who would you have out of

    Almiron
    Maddison

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. JELLYFISH
      • 12 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Maddison out of those 2 if funds don’t upset the rest of your team.
      The toon have over achieved and are at the start of a slide.

    2. Hairy Potter
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Newcastle attack misfiring so would do Miggy. Having said that, I can see them stuffing someone if they take their chances. Maddison would definitely be my pick to have in my team.

  12. Bubbles1985
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Best DGW defender for Beuno?

    I'm thinking Mee or Henry?

    Will have 5.9m

    1. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I got Mee last week and was between Mee and Pinnockkkk
      Guess your best

  13. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    (c) toney last night so thank you very much for 16 points,but i have to say i was underwhelmed by his performance as deep as kane gets a lot of the time and mostly behind wissa ,obviously keeping him and hope wissa is back on the pine and another lucky penalty turns up

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Was a couple of inches away from a gorgeous free kick goal though.
      He had a great game.

    2. NZREDS
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Did he play deep? That’s solid intel as I’m considering him captain for this week - maybe I’ll go mitoma instead

    3. Bobby Digital
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Yea, if Mbeumo could finish for toffee I'd go with him over Toney.

  14. Haa-lala-land
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Great article by Simon

    1. Firminooooo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Agree. Patience is very important. Been tracking the Scout pick this season and with a FH team with «bandwagons» they are not doing great.

  15. MattyW
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    All chips still in tact (no idea when to use)
    2FT

    Kepa (Ward)
    TAA, Trip, Tark, Zinc, Bueno 

    Saka, Martinelli, Rash, Mitoma, Mahrez 
Haaland, Kane, Darwin

    a) who goes for Toney?
    b) Mahrez to McAllister or Tark to Brentford defender or both for a -4

  16. Take on the Scout Picks
    TopMarx
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Fancy taking on the Scout Picks?

    I'm after challengers from the Community to take on the Scout Picks in GW27 and beyond. If you are interested, email me at will@fantasyfootballscout.co.uk with the subject heading “Community Picks”. Please include your FFS username and FPL Team ID.

    You need to pick 11 players to challenge the Scout Picks in a one-off head-to-head match.

    The Community is on a hot streak at the moment with four successive wins putting them up 13-12 against the Scout Picks. Congratulations to Badgevilla, TMC91, Merlin Magic and Could get Messi on their victories.

    The Community Member who has the largest winning margin takes home a £100 Amazon voucher and entry to our Mods and Cons League.

    Could get Messi went mightily close in GW26 to overtaking Boleyn Boy, who is the current leader having set an impressive 27-point target in GW6. Nine differentials, Salah and Mac Allister in particular, helped Could get Messi to a 25-point win, so close!

    If chosen, you will have a budget of £83m to select 11 players (no subs) but outside of that standard FPL rules apply - you need to use a normal FPL formation and with a limit of three players from a team.

    And remember to pick a captain and vice-captain.

    Thank you!

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Gwan Simon!!

  17. ManUtdFan977
    • 5 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Best sane replacement ucl fantasy 9.8m already have vini

    1. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      City at home screams out

    2. Overated Mou
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Mahrez, Joao mario, koman, kvaratz.. (napoli)

  18. The Mentaculus
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    James & Chilwell starting as WBs. This could be worth a watch

    1. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      Kepa
      Fofana Koulibaly Cucurella
      James Kovacic Fernandez Chilwell
      Sterling Havertz Felix

      1. Admiral Benson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        FPL wise, Chelsea going out makes Chilwell or James very appealing (less rotation maybe).

        1. The Mentaculus
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 2 months ago

          A storming Chilwell performance in a 2-2 (or something like that to open the floodgates) would definitely pique my interest for GW28

  19. Gooner Kebab
    • 11 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    FPL has evolved since COVID. More players, more data, more DGWs, more everything.

    On DGW, they're more common nowadays and with DGW, how does patience fit into it?

    Hanging to a form player should be easy (hi Mo!) and keeping someone who's not (hi Bruno!) is probably not as straightforward.

    Good luck selecting those BriBre players!

  20. SpaceCoyote97
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    1 year, 2 months ago

    Raya
    Akanji-Tripper-Estupinian
    Saka-Mitoma-Rashford-Gakpo
    Kane-Toney-Haaland

    Allison-Odegaard-Gabriel-Kilman

    Am I alright for GW27?

    1. Admiral Benson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      4 doublers should be fine. Bit of a lottery whether you have the right 4 though (same for all of us)

  21. tbos83
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    WC draft #384. Here's the plan:
    Gw28: Haaland > Watkins (means 11 starters)
    Gw29 BB: JWP + Zinch > Maddy + Shaw (-4)

    Thoughts?

    Raya
    Mee Tripps Estup
    JWP Mitoma Saka Rashford
    Haaland Kane Toney

    Ward Almiron James Zinch

    1. Admiral Benson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      I’d only field 10 in GW28 (like most will) and switch JWP to McAllister.
      Not crazy on Almiron either. How about Barnes?

      1. tbos83
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 2 months ago

        Thanks for the thoughts - you could well be right. Just nervous putting too many eggs in the Brighton basket.

  22. Admiral Benson
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 2 months ago

    My original plan this week was Salah + Gnonto —> Mitoma + Toney (-4).

    As I’ve only got 1 doubler now, I don’t really have a choice but to cash in on Mo right? £0.1 ITB.

    Edersen, Ward,
    Trippier, Shaw, Botman, Henry, White
    Salah, Saka, Ode, Rashford, Andreas
    Haaland, Kane, Gnonto

    1. nolard
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 2 months ago

      yes, that is what I would do too

      you could do Shaw to a defender who doubles, but it isn't really worth it with the hit, so a player who can score is more important

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