Possible formation change for Southampton with Ings in starting XI to face Chelsea

hahahaha jesus

No I know they're not all correct, I'm just arguing against your hypothesis drawn from those specific stats, obviously some team out there would have been hurt most by incompetency + VAR, your stats don't prove which team that is because there's no contest to them

Okay. I agree with most of this surprisingly.

Does it not at least point to the possibility of bias towards those at the top end and against those at the bottom?

Not definitive if course but not insignificant either

How could it possibly?

Even if VAR overturns correlated with bias, which it doesn't, there are top teams at the top and bottom and in the middle. Then there the fact that the effect and sample size are absolutely tiny.

Oh you mean the top and bottom of the VAR overturns table. Well, no, because there's no correlation. Only confirmation bias from youself.

But the top teams would be better placed if the were higher on this list. Arsenal and pool. Even if only one position. Especially if Chelsea have indeed benefited

This is true only if all decisions are correct and their not. It's ridiculous to suggest every one is right

Either this is evidence of ref bias or it isnt.

If you have to add the evidence of game footage then its clearly not evidence in its own right.

Correlation doesnt equal causation.

There's not even a correlation.

I only suggested watching games as a riposte to the interpretation that pool benefit from onfield decisions.

Not sure what you are on about.

That was not my interpretation. This is getting silly now. You don't read and think. Just making assumptions everywhere.

You said it could be that liverpool benefit from onfield calls and VAR correct those decisions. That is one way of "interpreting" thesexstats is it not?

These stats

If you watched the Chelsea games you'd know your stats are pointless.

Keep your argument concistent please

I was watching this Chelsea game and responding to a Southampton fan venting at refereeing favouring Chelsea in this game. These stats were given to show that Chelsea are at the top of the VAR overturns table. Southhampton fans shouldn't take these perceived injustices personally. Chelsea have benefitted all season. As a fan of a team at the bottom of this table, I would love to trade places with Chelsea. I am not surprised Chelsea fans are unimpressed to see they lead this table.

It's your hypothesis that there is a bias, and you provided evidence of that. But the evidence is not evidence of your hypothesis. So I'm on my way to a more valuable thread.

No point arguing with this guy, doesn't even understand basic concepts. Don't waste your time

"Your evidence could be evidence that liverpool benefit from on field refereeing decisions"

My response. Watch the games and see if you are right.

Your response: cant be asked so I'm moving on

My response: what a useful contribution. Please do go contribute elsewhere.

Go on then

To be honest fantasy football is waste of time but its fun. I love this bias by fans for their clubs as they somehoe see the club as extension of their own being lol. Almost all clubs especially business oriented ones like Chelsea and Mcity really dont care if you fan or not, legend or not. That Lampard sacking was a disgrace irrespective of how well Tuchel is doin as Lampard was doing bad either

was not*

Go on then still. 16 examples awaited

Oh right. Here we go

Example 1:

Mohamed Salah non-penalty (vs Aston Villa)
Okay, Liverpool lost the match 7-2 but, when they were just 1-0 down they were denied a stonewall penalty on Mohamed Salah.

2. Jordan Pickford's lunge on Virgil van Dijk (vs Everton)

3. Jordan Henderson’s offside winner (vs Everton)

4. Sheffield United’s penalty award (vs Sheffield United)
Imagine conceding a penalty for a good tackle OUTSIDE the box. That’s what happened against Sheffield United as Fabinho was adjudged to have fouled Oliver McBurnie.

5. Penalty award for handball on Joe Gomez (vs Man City)

6.Mohamed Salah’s offside goal (vs Brighton)

7.Brighton’s penalty award (vs Brighton)
Was it a penalty? Wasn’t it a penalty? After slowing it down and watching it 10 times, it could well have been. But was it a clear and obvious error by referee Stuart Attwell for it to be overturned? No chance.

8. Foul in the build-up to Fulham’s goal (vs Fulham)
Liverpool could only draw 1-1 to Fulham but Jurgen Klopp felt there was a foul in the build-up to Bobby Decordova-Reid’s goal. Antonee Robinson pushed Mohamed Salah in the back but VAR adjudged there wasn’t a foul.

9.Son Heung-min’s ‘offside’ goal (vs Spurs)
Was Son Heung-min’s goal offside? From the replays, it looked incredibly close and it seemed as though there would be a lengthy check to determine whether the South Korean’s armpit had strayed. But within seconds, the officials allowed the goal.

10. Karl Darlow’s grab on Sadio Mane (vs Newcastle)
Liverpool drew 0-0 with Newcastle and not much was made of Darlow’s grab on Mane as the winger looked set to tap the ball home.

11.Jack Stephens’ handball (vs Southampton)
Liverpool felt they should have had a penalty when Georginio Wijnaldum’s shot was blocked by the hand of Stephens. A quick VAR check later and the appeals were waved away.

12.Kyle Walker-Peters’ foul on Sadio Mane (vs Southampton)
Mane went down in the box under Walker-Peters’ challenge but Andre Marriner didn’t give it.

13. Leicster score equaliser with a dubious VAR overturn when a player looks offside and influences the play.

14. Referee gives pen in previous sequence when foul is clearly outside of the box.

15. Mane gives away pen for not touching the player at all against wolves

16. Van dijk not even offside against Everton when shamelessly cut down by pickford